Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking

[zenmaster]

3rd density compassion lacks understanding - it's filtered through the same disconnected mind which is dependent on faulty experience and invariably entertains mismatches of actual circumstances vs those imagined to be the case. So 3D-'compassion'-based harmonizing from that separated mindset, for example, is quite self-referential and limited. In 4D, compassion is basically equated to understanding - it's a more primary understanding of the operation of 'love' as an actual enabler of consciousness.

[Tenet Nosce]

I had an enlightening experience today which I think relates to this issue.

As a preface- I will say that I can see the validity of various viewpoints expressed here which appear to be in conflict.

To unity100's point, I have done a fair amount of travel outside the U.S. and can attest to the striking difference between Americans and pretty much every other culture with respect to "respect" in conversation.

Quite paradoxically, while Americans tend to be the most boisterous of their beliefs and the right to speak them freely, they also tend to be the quickest to take offense. We do this by perceiving an "attack" where there is none.

Few things seem to be more offensive to an American than to tell them that they are wrong. Many people treat the word "wrong" as if an expletive and/or insult. In a number of ways, we have taken the idea of free will and applied it to the mental sphere in a very extreme sense.

Even among "spiritual" communities, there is a particular American brand of relativism which has become expressed in a nutshell as "You Create Your Own Reality" or YCYOR. As with all spiritual truths, there exists a twisted- or bastardized- version of it which is ascribed to by a certain percentage of the population.

In this particular case, YCYOR gets twisted into a belief that whatever one believes becomes true- even if it flies directly in the face of Cosmic Law.

Some beliefs are wrong. As a rule, wrong beliefs are rooted in the illusion of separation. Furthermore, it is not an assault to call something for what it is. In other words, your choosing to believe in a flat out falsehood does not ethically require me to entertain such a belief out of a distorted sense of respect. In actuality, to actively withhold the truth from somebody who is demonstrating their misapprehension of it is not a compassionate act. It is a cowardly act.

In truth, those who would feign offense at the drop of a hat do so because deep down they know they are wrong. This is because the deepest part of themselves cannot be lied to, nor can it be fully suppressed. As such, when a person's faulty core belief gets challenged the typical reactions are either of anger and lashing out, or sadness followed by self-deprecation.

Both of these reactions are maladaptive.

When faced with such a perceived threat, it is no wonder when these outbursts and/or withdrawals occur. In the case of YCYOR it is particularly perplexing because, to such a perspective, if a communication is perceived as offensive, then it must actually be offensive, and there is little to be done at that point to convince such a person otherwise.

On the other hand, I can deeply identify with the viewpoint of the mods and others that the intention of this space is to allow seekers to seek. This requires an environment where one feels that it is safe to converse on subjects which are taboo in many outer social circles.

As both an observer and a participant in this forum, I would like to draw attention to the fact that a handful of core individuals appear to be expressing the same conflict in multiple threads. It is both quite perplexing to watch as an observer, and rather easy to get drawn into as a participant.

If I may offer a humble opinion on this matter, it would be for all of us who have become embroiled in this seemingly endless reiteration of communication breakdowns to deeply search within ourselves for the correction which is necessary in order to bring our own mental framework into balance.

If you are one who believes that this problem is the fault of everybody else, and that your own perspective is the "correct" one, then you are part of the problem, and not the solution. If you are one who insists on putting the same mask forward on every issue, then you are by default limiting yourself to a very narrow portion of your being, and in essence, lying to yourself- and others- about who you really are.

You are not "the skeptic" or "the rationalist" or "the believer" or "the mystic" or whatever label you currently perceive yourself to be. You are the One Infinite Creator. You are All Things. This is the Law and the Prophets.

As for myself, I am one who has received much feedback over the years to the effect that I can "come across as arrogant". This has always been a source of confusion to me because, according to my understanding, to be arrogant is to believe oneself to be "better than" others, and I hold no such belief.

When recently faced with the notion of a "cosmic deadline" with respect to certain waypoints of spiritual development, I felt compelled to seek deeply into the heart of the matter. A confluence of catalyst demonstrated to me how this one particular issue was expressing itself in multiple areas of my life.

Indeed, when I had reached the point where the rest of the garbage had been cleared away, this was the last thing remaining. At which point it became obvious to me that this was also the very issue I had been avoiding dealing with for my entire life. Everything else was either downstream from this, or a total distraction.

What it came down to is the realization that I came into this life with an innate ability to channel my Higher Self. The "problem" as it has been playing out, is that I have been largely unaware of this.

Shining the lamp of awareness on my own communication patterns caused me to become aware that I frequently go in and out of this state. even within the same conversation or post. Though I have the ability, I have not learned how to use it consciously, and so in a sense it has been using me.

The problem is this: if/when I go into the state of channeling my Higher Self, and am unaware of it, then I falsely perceive the words to be my own. This causes a certain distortion in the channeling which can be perceived by a change in the timbre of my voice as well as my body language. In the written form, my words will take on a particular flair and I will tend to choose words more for impact, rather than for meaning.

The solution, as I am finding it, is this: if/when I maintain awareness of this state when it comes upon me, then I consciously realize that it is not my idea which is being conveyed, but rather that I am the caretaker of an idea from my Higher Self. As such, this immediately puts me in a state of humility, and I notice that my words no longer come off as offensive to others.

Surely, there is more work to be done on my part to understand this phenomenon, and no doubt I will come to even greater understandings as this new experience continues to unfold.

I would invite all who come across these words to explore what it means to channel their own Higher Self and to find their own understandings, which will certainly be more attuned to each person's particular needs than these mere words.

Adonai.

[zenmaster]

Understanding is strangely layered and digging down, we find it's often supported by quite tenuous notions of what is perceived to be the case, but most often just enough to satisfy the ego. Sometimes it's in the form of a mere apprehension (intuitive notions of "could-be's") instead of a more integrated and workable comprehension (experience/knowledge). However, most of the forum conflicts are due to an unwillingness to (re)address first principles from which we derive meaning. Lacking a "shared mind", there must be another mechanism to get on the same page - as inefficient as it may be, and from there we can better offer our insights. The more successful dialogs invariably acknowledge possibly unappreciated standpoints and attempt to refocus on these first principles in attempt to discover where the limits of knowledge are.

In any case, "Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve."

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Even among "spiritual" communities, there is a particular American brand of relativism which has become expressed in a nutshell as "You Create Your Own Reality" or YCYOR. As with all spiritual truths, there exists a twisted- or bastardized- version of it which is ascribed to by a certain percentage of the population.

Relativism/pluralism is just another stage in the development of mind here, with possible healthy an pathological expressions. It can be used like a weapon or to actually provide more opportunity for acceptance.

[Namaste]

You've just equated a genuine act of STO (compassion, caring for another) with a dishonest manipulation with means to control, STS!

because it is. you may think its sto because your intention is sto in faking your emotions/thoughts, but, it is not sto, and even at a lower spiritual level in regard to basics, it is negative - you are suppressing manifestation of your emotions - you are controlling them.

Here's some tough love for you dear brother, since you're versed with that kind of communication :¬)

The fact you cannot differentiate a genuine act of compassion (STO) with manipulation (STS) signals something, rather clearly; you've never experienced genuine compassion.

You then taint any other self offering genuine compassion by your own experience, which is that of having to fake it.

The crux of it; the gateway to fourth density positive is genuine compassion.

This is the density of choice; fear or love. That choice springboards you to the next density (or not). 4D is the density of unconditional love. Choosing love in 3D is the choice that aligns you with 4D. There is no questioning this, it's the basis of the Ra Material.

Arguing about the different rays and densities is completely irrelevant if your goal is to walks the steps of light to fourth density upon death. Without the activation of green ray, it cannot happen, as the lesson of this density has not been learned; unconditional love (compassion, kindness, acceptance, harmony, peace, kindness, patience).

It is the allowing of 4D energies in 3D (unconditional love) that allow one to raise their vibration to that of 4D frequencies during the harvest process, hence, when walking the steps of light, 4D love/light feels comfortable.

Without that love, one will remain in 3D and repeat another cycle(s), or if one os so inclined, move to 4D negative.

It's as simple as that :¬)

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3rd density compassion lacks understanding - it's filtered through the same disconnected mind which is dependent on faulty experience and invariably entertains mismatches of actual circumstances vs those imagined to be the case. So 3D-'compassion'-based harmonizing from that separated mindset, for example, is quite self-referential and limited. In 4D, compassion is basically equated to understanding - it's a more primary understanding of the operation of 'love' as an actual enabler of consciousness.

Indeed, Ra's own words: third density is not the density of understanding (wisdom).

The path is clear:

1. 3D - The choice (STO)
2. 4D - Unconditional Love (love)
3. 5D - Wisdom (light)
4. 6D - Unity (love/light)

There are no shortcuts.

Thinking one can understand at the level if 5D, while incarnated in 3D, is rather deluded in my opinion. 5D is defined as wisdom as the entity has experienced densities 1 through to 5. From those eons of experience, the entity becomes wise.

This is not pointed at you personally Zen, rather, an open reply :¬)

[3DMonkey]

In a way, I sympathize with unity100 on this. I, too, think we are all "faking it". I think that's what life is actually. It's sort of the basis for what I bombard Zenmaster with. I don't think anyone is truly "enlightened". I just think some enjoy filling their heads with that type of 'entertainment', I call it. ... Why am I here, honestly? Because I enjoy the search for the paranormal, but moreso because we have a group of people willing to discuss to great depths a particular source of material that addresses all paranormal ideas and is very detailed but debatable. It is something I have I need to occupy my mind, 'entertain' me. It is complex, complicated, extreme, and interesting. But as far as its deeper meaning goes, it actually explains itself in that regard. It is for each individual to decide. We always get to hide behind that notion. I'm here, you're there, we are supposed to be where we are for the harmony of everything. We are all just actors in our own play. Unity100 shapes his own mind and he doesn't want to see others as equal. 'oh, if you would just see the world as I do, then you would be happier.'. But we really just pretend to be happy with what we see. We struggle to reform our perspective to fit 'integration', 'individuating', 'polarizing'. Honestly, it boils down to a mental game we play with ourselves in order feel 'okay'. It's all just a cup of coffee on the back porch with a serene view. We are just the variety that enjoy loading up our brain muscles.

[unity100]

Unity, could you answer my question earlier about why you don't express caring?

and how is caring expressed ? pray elaborate. lets see how caring gets expressed.

If blue ray is about brutal honesty, and you are being brutally honest, doesn't that include saying nice things too? Is it only about being brutally honest with criticism?

Why aren't you brutally honest about how you feel for us and stuff like that?

there has been numerous occasions in which what you spoke of, had happened. that doesnt mean it needs to happen in every occasion someone needs it, especially those occasions are discussions and being right/wrong. if someone is in the necessity of hearing nice things or being appreciated or the like, s/he does not have business with advanced spiritual information yet, because it is dangerous.

Wouldn't it be honest to say, "you are 100% incorrect, also, I love you" ?

and the point of doing that, in a discussion where information is shared, will be ?

other than the necessity to lessen the impact that being told will make on the other person due to cultural biases and conditionings that tell that people should not be told that they are wrong ?

Unity100, you stated that the attributes of the next density aren't found in the one below it. But this quote proves that a 4D property, compassion, is indeed found in 3D.

As I stated previously, an attribute must be manifested first, as a requirement to get to the density in which that attribute is abundant.

Compassion isn't abundant in 3D. But it's definitely found in 3D. And, 3D is where entities develop compassion. When they have enough compassion to dwell in the density in which compassion is abundant (4D) then they graduate to 4D.

Bring4th_Monica.

reaching the MINIMUM requirement of the next density, happens at the END of a density, when the THRESHOLD that is hard to pass and hard to stop on, is passed. and the entity graduates after that.

it does NOT stay in the previous density in order to manifest the NEXT density's properties. that is as simple as it can get, and no density is an exception.

compassion isnt found in 3d. the scarce amounts that may manifest in the form you desire, do not make expecting it something normal. dont mistake the era you are living in with a lot of wanderers smoothening/modifying the societal mind and atmosphere of the planet with their presence. if maybe 100-150 million wanderers and 4d harvested incarnates were not here, the things on this planet would be a lot different.

i will defer the rest to what someone else said, since it conveys what i have been trying to explain in spiritual terms in dailyspeak instead.

I had an enlightening experience today which I think relates to this issue.

As a preface- I will say that I can see the validity of various viewpoints expressed here which appear to be in conflict.

To unity100's point, I have done a fair amount of travel outside the U.S. and can attest to the striking difference between Americans and pretty much every other culture with respect to "respect" in conversation.

Quite paradoxically, while Americans tend to be the most boisterous of their beliefs and the right to speak them freely, they also tend to be the quickest to take offense. We do this by perceiving an "attack" where there is none.

Few things seem to be more offensive to an American than to tell them that they are wrong. Many people treat the word "wrong" as if an expletive and/or insult. In a number of ways, we have taken the idea of free will and applied it to the mental sphere in a very extreme sense.

Even among "spiritual" communities, there is a particular American brand of relativism which has become expressed in a nutshell as "You Create Your Own Reality" or YCYOR. As with all spiritual truths, there exists a twisted- or bastardized- version of it which is ascribed to by a certain percentage of the population.

In this particular case, YCYOR gets twisted into a belief that whatever one believes becomes true- even if it flies directly in the face of Cosmic Law.

Some beliefs are wrong. As a rule, wrong beliefs are rooted in the illusion of separation. Furthermore, it is not an assault to call something for what it is. In other words, your choosing to believe in a flat out falsehood does not ethically require me to entertain such a belief out of a distorted sense of respect. In actuality, to actively withhold the truth from somebody who is demonstrating their misapprehension of it is not a compassionate act. It is a cowardly act.

In truth, those who would feign offense at the drop of a hat do so because deep down they know they are wrong. This is because the deepest part of themselves cannot be lied to, nor can it be fully suppressed. As such, when a person's faulty core belief gets challenged the typical reactions are either of anger and lashing out, or sadness followed by self-deprecation.

Both of these reactions are maladaptive.

When faced with such a perceived threat, it is no wonder when these outbursts and/or withdrawals occur. In the case of YCYOR it is particularly perplexing because, to such a perspective, if a communication is perceived as offensive, then it must actually be offensive, and there is little to be done at that point to convince such a person otherwise.

On the other hand, I can deeply identify with the viewpoint of the mods and others that the intention of this space is to allow seekers to seek. This requires an environment where one feels that it is safe to converse on subjects which are taboo in many outer social circles.

As both an observer and a participant in this forum, I would like to draw attention to the fact that a handful of core individuals appear to be expressing the same conflict in multiple threads. It is both quite perplexing to watch as an observer, and rather easy to get drawn into as a participant.

If I may offer a humble opinion on this matter, it would be for all of us who have become embroiled in this seemingly endless reiteration of communication breakdowns to deeply search within ourselves for the correction which is necessary in order to bring our own mental framework into balance.

If you are one who believes that this problem is the fault of everybody else, and that your own perspective is the "correct" one, then you are part of the problem, and not the solution. If you are one who insists on putting the same mask forward on every issue, then you are by default limiting yourself to a very narrow portion of your being, and in essence, lying to yourself- and others- about who you really are.

You are not "the skeptic" or "the rationalist" or "the believer" or "the mystic" or whatever label you currently perceive yourself to be. You are the One Infinite Creator. You are All Things. This is the Law and the Prophets.

As for myself, I am one who has received much feedback over the years to the effect that I can "come across as arrogant". This has always been a source of confusion to me because, according to my understanding, to be arrogant is to believe oneself to be "better than" others, and I hold no such belief.

When recently faced with the notion of a "cosmic deadline" with respect to certain waypoints of spiritual development, I felt compelled to seek deeply into the heart of the matter. A confluence of catalyst demonstrated to me how this one particular issue was expressing itself in multiple areas of my life.

Indeed, when I had reached the point where the rest of the garbage had been cleared away, this was the last thing remaining. At which point it became obvious to me that this was also the very issue I had been avoiding dealing with for my entire life. Everything else was either downstream from this, or a total distraction.

What it came down to is the realization that I came into this life with an innate ability to channel my Higher Self. The "problem" as it has been playing out, is that I have been largely unaware of this.

Shining the lamp of awareness on my own communication patterns caused me to become aware that I frequently go in and out of this state. even within the same conversation or post. Though I have the ability, I have not learned how to use it consciously, and so in a sense it has been using me.

The problem is this: if/when I go into the state of channeling my Higher Self, and am unaware of it, then I falsely perceive the words to be my own. This causes a certain distortion in the channeling which can be perceived by a change in the timbre of my voice as well as my body language. In the written form, my words will take on a particular flair and I will tend to choose words more for impact, rather than for meaning.

The solution, as I am finding it, is this: if/when I maintain awareness of this state when it comes upon me, then I consciously realize that it is not my idea which is being conveyed, but rather that I am the caretaker of an idea from my Higher Self. As such, this immediately puts me in a state of humility, and I notice that my words no longer come off as offensive to others.

Surely, there is more work to be done on my part to understand this phenomenon, and no doubt I will come to even greater understandings as this new experience continues to unfold.

I would invite all who come across these words to explore what it means to channel their own Higher Self and to find their own understandings, which will certainly be more attuned to each person's particular needs than these mere words.

Adonai.

[Namaste]

But we really just pretend to be happy with what we see. We struggle to reform our perspective to fit 'integration', 'individuating', 'polarizing'. Honestly, it boils down to a mental game we play with ourselves in order feel 'okay'. It's all just a cup of coffee on the back porch with a serene view. We are just the variety that enjoy loading up our brain muscles.

I think it's acceptance of the validity - and divinity - of all experience (both positive and negative), rather than pretending :¬)

[3DMonkey]

In actuality, to actively withhold the truth from somebody who is demonstrating their misapprehension of it is not a compassionate act. It is a cowardly act.

You are wrong about that.


It is braver to allow that person to be and believe what they want. It would be so much more courageous to accept their choices.

No, the correction is cowardly, because it is trying to persuade the other to believe what "I" believe in order for me to feel as though I'm in a safer environment where my thoughts "rule".


.... And, now I'm a hypocrite...

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As a parent, I infringe my children's free will hourly. I violate their freedom of choice because I am responsible for what happens to them.

If we truly, honestly, believed that we are reincarnating souls here to work on our eternal Total Self in order to experience everything so that we can return to Creator, we would allow anything and everything to happen to our children. They are not any younger than I am. They should choose whatever they will and we can get this eternal evolution on the third density fast track.

We don't do that. We make excuses. 'I'm working on my own being and taking care of my child is a catalyst for us both. I am also restricted to third density veils and body complex emotions.'

We want compassion because we want continuity, or the illusion thereof. We collectively place ourself in the shoes of our children, because we subconsciously know that reproduction is the only true continuity. We want their life to be better than ours, and we try our damnedest to envision a world with compassion. We rewrite everything we experience into our m/b/s receptors to reflect what is important to us.

[Namaste]

LOL

[Oceania]

i like when Monkey challenges the status quo.

[yossarian]

Unity, could you answer my question earlier about why you don't express caring?

and how is caring expressed ? pray elaborate. lets see how caring gets expressed.

By being brutally honest about your feelings for the person.

So if you hate me, you would say, "You are 100% wrong and I hate you."

If you love me, you would say, "You are 100% wrong and I love you."

You are saying brutal honesty is very important. Why doesn't this include brutal honesty about feelings?

there has been numerous occasions in which what you spoke of, had happened. that doesnt mean it needs to happen in every occasion someone needs it, especially those occasions are discussions and being right/wrong. if someone is in the necessity of hearing nice things or being appreciated or the like, s/he does not have business with advanced spiritual information yet, because it is dangerous.

But I thought you mean to be brutally honest. I thought it's not about what a person "needs" it's about saying the truth.

Isn't it lying/faking to tell someone they are right/wrong because they need to be told that? Sounds like you are faking your behaviour to help them.

Are you saying that when you type things, first you intuitively scan the person and determine if someone needs love?

Just how advanced are you and how much do you know about us? Are you even located on the planet surface or are you one of the AI devices Ra planted that learned how to send data to the internet?

How do we know you aren't a subsurface dwelling ET? On the internet no one would know that you're non-human.

Wouldn't it be honest to say, "you are 100% incorrect, also, I love you" ?

and the point of doing that, in a discussion where information is shared, will be ?

Brutal honesty. This is how blue ray activated beings act. With brutal honesty.

[3DMonkey]

You know, where is StickerNinja when you need him? I think he was basically in an environment that promoted this "say whatever even if it is rude" attitude. He'd probably shed some light on this thread.

[Namaste]

You know, where is StickerNinja when you need him? I think he was basically in an environment that promoted this "say whatever even if it is rude" attitude. He'd probably shed some light on this thread.

Many of us here DO speak as we feel, but it's not rude as it stems from compassion and foremost takes into consideration the feelings of another. Whether that's labeled as channeling your Higher Self, letting the Creator shine through you, or choosing positive, is negligible. The outcome is the same. Authenticity of action.

If one is hiding the self, as yossy said, it's their own choice. Similarly, if you think that someone coming in here to add another viewpoint in a rude attitude is useful, again, that's related to your own state of being.

Third density is a cosmic mirror. It shows you what you genuinely think, moment by moment. Some live in a loving place, some live in a fearful place.

That's the choice :¬)

[3DMonkey]

lol, ... and that wasn't rude? I don't take offense, but rich old ladies have the most elegant way to insult someone that comes out like a compliment. (I don't know your gender or age, I don't mean you)

[Oceania]

Emily Gilmore. Lorelai Gilmore.

[apeiron]

Brutal honesty as red, orange, yellow, green (one, two, three or all?). As anger, hostility, or as compassion? It seems what I am seeing is much orange based "brutal honesty" at this point. Of course green/compassion is necessary to graduate to 4d, possibly 51%, otherwise, what is graduation based on? How many times we flip the bird to each other (yeah you did it 51%, congratulations).

Even Ra says that blockage at times polarizes towards positive if others are considered, which makes this more complicated than what so far it has been discussed here.

What happens is that green opens blue much easier and has direct access to blue anytime entity desires.

By the way, it appears the correct "translation" "You are wrong" to other languages is not completely accurate. You can probably get an equivalent if you translate "you are wrong" in that other language with appropriate emotional undertones equivalent to that expression in English. The context of the expression would be then to take into account emotional expressions, not only isolated empty words.

[3DMonkey]

The relevant line is at 5:30

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Brutal honesty as red, orange, yellow, green (one, two, three or all?). As anger, hostility, or as compassion? It seems what I am seeing is much orange based "brutal honesty" at this point. Of course green/compassion is necessary to graduate to 4d, possibly 51%, otherwise, what is graduation based on? How many times we flip the bird to each other (yeah you did it 51%, congratulations).

Even Ra says that blockage at times polarizes towards positive if others are considered, which makes this more complicated than what so far it has been discussed here.

What happens is that green opens blue much easier and has direct access to blue anytime entity desires.

By the way, it appears the correct "translation" "You are wrong" to other languages is not completely accurate. You can probably get an equivalent if you translate "you are wrong" in that other language with appropriate emotional undertones equivalent to that expression in English. The context of the expression would be then to take into account emotional expressions, not only isolated empty words.

Here's some honesty. It is probably something worth reporting to the mods. I'll be bad on this one.

"The energy color stuff is pure crap!"

[yossarian]

lol, ... and that wasn't rude? I don't take offense, but rich old ladies have the most elegant way to insult someone that comes out like a compliment. (I don't know your gender or age, I don't mean you)

Wouldn't Namaste's comments only be seen as rude if you find it rude that someone says you are choosing unhappiness?

But didn't you say yourself that you're choosing it? It's just your particular m/b/s experience or whatever?

... or are you making a subtle meta-point about how even though Namaste isn't being rude you're still able to interpret it that way for exactly the reasons Namaste said? :p That's deep monkey.

[Oceania]

why was that mirrored?

[3DMonkey]

why was that mirrored?

I notice that happening occasionally. No idea why.

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lol, ... and that wasn't rude? I don't take offense, but rich old ladies have the most elegant way to insult someone that comes out like a compliment. (I don't know your gender or age, I don't mean you)

Wouldn't Namaste's comments only be seen as rude if you find it rude that someone says you are choosing unhappiness?

But didn't you say yourself that you're choosing it? It's just your particular m/b/s experience or whatever?

... or are you making a subtle meta-point about how even though Namaste isn't being rude you're still able to interpret it that way for exactly the reasons Namaste said? :p That's deep monkey.

That last thing

[Tenet Nosce]

In actuality, to actively withhold the truth from somebody who is demonstrating their misapprehension of it is not a compassionate act. It is a cowardly act.

You are wrong about that.


It is braver to allow that person to be and believe what they want. It would be so much more courageous to accept their choices.

No, the correction is cowardly, because it is trying to persuade the other to believe what "I" believe in order for me to feel as though I'm in a safer environment where my thoughts "rule".


.... And, now I'm a hypocrite...

No doubt, we are all hypocrites to some degree. The difference here is context. We are in a forum:

"A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

The keyword here is exchanged. Forums are not places to give endless monologues. That place would be called the United States Congress.

But seriously... perhaps some folks are not aware of this but there is generally an understanding or agreement among forum members that the primary purpose of forum-ing is to discuss ideas. This means that one should be willing and able to accept critical review of the ideas they put forth, and to be "big boys and girls" and not get their underoos ruffled every time somebody has something "negative" to say.

Similarly, in the context of your family, it is entirely appropriate for a parent to correct a child if their actions are demonstrating a misapprehension of truth. If one child hits another child and steals their toys, then THAT would be the appropriate time to remind the child that they do not live in a vacuum. That they are connected to others. That their actions are going to come back around to them.

No parent in their right mind would sit there and watch the scene unfold and do nothing. However, and especially here in America, there are many parents who are not in their right minds, and do exactly that. They allow their little brats to run around the planet like tyrants, making endless ego demands, and pandering to them as if they were the Crown Prince. I stand by my previous assessment, this is not compassion, but cowardice.

Now, if somebody is minding their own business, keeping to themselves, and desirous of living in a false reality based upon the illusion of separation, and then somebody else rolls in out of the blue and FORCES the truth upon them, that is a different story.

Problem is... people who live their lives based out of the illusion of separation just can't seem to keep to themselves. They are relentless in their machinations and manipulations aimed at controlling other-selves in order to gain a false position of superiority and self-serving interests. They are also unyielding in their attempts to convert others to their own self-serving belief systems. In the case of global corporatist bankers, at least this is to be expected. In other cases, it is a bit more of a surprise.

Certainly it is not my job to tell you what compassion is. All I will say is that the idea that lying and withholding of truth is compassionate sounds like an old stale belief system whose time has come.

"This is for your own protection."
"Nobody wants to create a panic."
"People aren't ready for the truth."

These are the justifications that have been put forth by the world's "elite" for millenia as to why withholding truth is the "right thing to do". Perhaps in millenia past, this was indeed the case.

Now, at this particular space/time nexus, this is no longer the case. The time of the Great Sifting is at hand. Now is the time to proclaim the truth from the rooftops. For many people, this is their last chance for a very long time.

I, for one, will not be silent. I will not hold back the truth from those who have been mired in the illusion of separation. They deserve to be offered opportunities to apprehend the truth right up until the very last second. I will not withhold the truth. I will not put my light under a bushel. I will not stand by and say nothing while my misguided brothers and sisters attempt to take others down with them into the sinkhole of indifference. And I certainly will not do these things in the name of "compassion".

My sincere best to you and yours. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

[3DMonkey]

edit: placed wrong chronologically

[AnthroHeart]

I disagree about there not being properties from higher density in lower. Each of the sub-densities is a reflection of higher densities. So when we get to subdensity 4 of 3D, we are experiencing love within 3D. Subdensity 5 of 3D, we experience wisdom. And so on. It gets more interesting around the creator gateway subdensity (7d3D).

It's all part of the holographic reality. Features of higher densities are mirrored in the subdensities of 3D.

[3DMonkey]

Emily Gilmore. Lorelai Gilmore.

Is that the grandmother on Gilmore Girls? I don't watch, but apparently I know it well enough to guess that. Lol.

[Oceania]

grandmother and the great grandmother.

[3DMonkey]

In actuality, to actively withhold the truth from somebody who is demonstrating their misapprehension of it is not a compassionate act. It is a cowardly act.

You are wrong about that.


It is braver to allow that person to be and believe what they want. It would be so much more courageous to accept their choices.

No, the correction is cowardly, because it is trying to persuade the other to believe what "I" believe in order for me to feel as though I'm in a safer environment where my thoughts "rule".


.... And, now I'm a hypocrite...

No doubt, we are all hypocrites to some degree. The difference here is context. We are in a forum:

"A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

The keyword here is exchanged. Forums are not places to give endless monologues. That place would be called the United States Congress.

But seriously... perhaps some folks are not aware of this but there is generally an understanding or agreement among forum members that the primary purpose of forum-ing is to discuss ideas. This means that one should be willing and able to accept critical review of the ideas they put forth, and to be "big boys and girls" and not get their underoos ruffled every time somebody has something "negative" to say.

Similarly, in the context of your family, it is entirely appropriate for a parent to correct a child if their actions are demonstrating a misapprehension of truth. If one child hits another child and steals their toys, then THAT would be the appropriate time to remind the child that they do not live in a vacuum. That they are connected to others. That their actions are going to come back around to them.

No parent in their right mind would sit there and watch the scene unfold and do nothing. However, and especially here in America, there are many parents who are not in their right minds, and do exactly that. They allow their little brats to run around the planet like tyrants, making endless ego demands, and pandering to them as if they were the Crown Prince. I stand by my previous assessment, this is not compassion, but cowardice.

Now, if somebody is minding their own business, keeping to themselves, and desirous of living in a false reality based upon the illusion of separation, and then somebody else rolls in out of the blue and FORCES the truth upon them, that is a different story.

Problem is... people who live their lives based out of the illusion of separation just can't seem to keep to themselves. They are relentless in their machinations and manipulations aimed at controlling other-selves in order to gain a false position of superiority and self-serving interests. They are also unyielding in their attempts to convert others to their own self-serving belief systems. In the case of global corporatist bankers, at least this is to be expected. In other cases, it is a bit more of a surprise.

Certainly it is not my job to tell you what compassion is. All I will say is that the idea that lying and withholding of truth is compassionate sounds like an old stale belief system whose time has come.

"This is for your own protection."
"Nobody wants to create a panic."
"People aren't ready for the truth."

These are the justifications that have been put forth by the world's "elite" for millenia as to why withholding truth is the "right thing to do". Perhaps in millenia past, this was indeed the case.

Now, at this particular space/time nexus, this is no longer the case. The time of the Great Sifting is at hand. Now is the time to proclaim the truth from the rooftops. For many people, this is their last chance for a very long time.

I, for one, will not be silent. I will not hold back the truth from those who have been mired in the illusion of separation. They deserve to be offered opportunities to apprehend the truth right up until the very last second. I will not withhold the truth. I will not put my light under a bushel. I will not stand by and say nothing while my misguided brothers and sisters attempt to take others down with them into the sinkhole of indifference. And I certainly will not do these things in the name of "compassion".

My sincere best to you and yours. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Hahaha. I thought the key word was you are wrong. You chose to focus on hypocrite. Rich, man. Rich.

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You're afraid of accepting "brats". That's just not LOO.

[Richard]

Everyone should take my path to get to the destination. If you did, you would come to the same conclusion. Then you would be right. And the world would be perfect. I have a detailed map. Any swaying off course, and you miss the boat, I.e. wrong.

Its my way or the highway? (Southern vernacular translation)

Richard

[Namaste]

lol, ... and that wasn't rude? I don't take offense, but rich old ladies have the most elegant way to insult someone that comes out like a compliment. (I don't know your gender or age, I don't mean you)

Our thoughts, words and deeds are created in each moment, depending on one's state of being. We see the reflection of these creations (choices) in the 'external' world.

To me, these are cosmic laws, and by no means entail rudeness or offence. The opposite in fact, they are keys of the gifts of experience that allow one to contemplate said actions in which to polarise and balance - I am doing so through contemplation and reflection much of the time :¬)

[3DMonkey]

Here is a gift for you. "Shut up"


( I mean this humorously )

[native]

Brutal honesty as red, orange, yellow, green (one, two, three or all?). As anger, hostility, or as compassion? It seems what I am seeing is much orange based "brutal honesty" at this point.

I was going to add this point to my comments about 15.12. Honesty will necessarily involve a sort of bluntness, because there will be confrontation with previously held beliefs. However, there is this delusion that no-holds-barred brutal honesty that carries arguments on and on for pages is somehow a service. Yes, speak the truth, but if there is resistance after a few exchanges, stop and move on. It's that simple. If after a few exchanges of opinion you see that there is disagreement, guess what? Five more pages of arguing does nothing, and the many examples of that in here only prove it. It's wasted energy.

The point in which you continue to prove the other wrong in a long discussion, you are no longer asserting wisdom, but you are dominating the other with orange assertion of the self. You have claimed superiority, and you do not allow the other to be themselves. The argument is no longer centered upon wisdom, but it has turned into a battle of "I'm right you're wrong". Recognizing this is easy, because within you it is felt by absolutely needing to correct the other. If there is resistance to letting the other go along misinformed and own their own opinion, you are reflecting non-acceptance and your motivations are simply self-fulfilling.

A more balanced interaction will involve understanding/wisdom.