Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension

[Unbound]

Exactly, the dead ARE NOT DEAD. Death is an illusion as we know it. Everything simply returns to thought, and everything thinks. It may not think in terms we can comprehend, but it is composed of thoughts and thus it thinks.

Think about it, we are ALREADY DEAD. We are as dead we can be right now in the universe. There is no-where to go but in to more life from here. When your body ceases, you can choose to return to it, and in the time-stream that accompanies it there will be the appropriate arrangement of reactions, OR you can choose to go on your way. People die all the time throughout their lives, the "ultimate death" is actually more part of the agreements made with other entities who will continue to live at that time. When people think of being immortality they often dread the idea of having to live for so long. However, if you are in constant joy, have a constant presence of warmth and comfort, and can explore many different kinds of realities, well, why not? We are here learning how to craft realities. Think about it, why do we want to be STO? It's not because it's "better", it's because as we begin to have more responsibility for our reality we want situations to do positively rather than negatively. A situation will always have both positive and negative, so here we learn about the two sides and begin to understand the nature of the influence of events, and thoughts.

There is nothing new except what has been forgotten, and I would note that apocalypse means "a lifting of the veil". Happy dreaming!

[Namaste]

You may well be right, but I'm wondering how harvest will play out, then, for those not currently in incarnation, who Ra says will also be harvested. If there's not an obvious transition point such as death and if there's no planet-wide event, what causes them to walk the steps of light?

Death is merely the door into time/space for those incarnated in space/time. Time/space is the place of harvest.

Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

Ra states the usual process of ending an incarnation, then specifically adds the harvest step(s).

We can assume that 'proper future placement' is the next incarnation. But, with the harvest, the 'anomaly' in the process, new steps are open; the gateway to ascension.

From this, I would guess that those already in time/space who have passed over, and not already moved on to another incarnation, are able to choose these steps also.

In time/space, time is 3-dimensional. 'Waiting' (in a linear time fashion), for the harvest is not how we would first imagine it.

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All at once, or one by one? If it's all at once, then it's an event rather than a process. If it's one by one, who decides when it's time for them to take their turn?

There are beings of great wisdom involved in the process of the harvest, each entity is guided and cared for :¬)

51.1 Questioner: I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic?

Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or Higher Self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their Higher Self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

[godwide_void]

3) Not sure what freely shared intelligent energy entails. Anyone?

Healing is one type of shared intelligent energy. It's analogous to the 'formmaker' where a viable body (free of the problematic distortion) is offered to the one to be healed, which they may or may not then accept. Sometimes it's easier for another to assist in healing work.

Another type of shared intelligent energy is where you share some aspect of your interiority.

Another type is where you would create a lifeform or assemble matter or change matter.

Do you reckon creating music and sharing it freely is another example of "shared intelligent energy"?

As for Namaste, many thanks for posting this thread. No matter how much we speculate, converse, debate, and muse upon it, Harvest/Ascension remains a phenomenon that is thoroughly obscured in mystery, which makes contemplation of the true nature of the event, its actual process, and its inevitability all the more delightful to ponder.

Every post made by every person on this forum is excellent food for thought. Rightfully so, considering everybody's input should be read as though the Creator wrote it. (which, technically, he did, in many ways)

[Ruth]

Ohhhh, godwide_void - I think YES! creating and freely sharing music is an excellent example of "shared intelligent energy!"

Love and light and MUSIC!

[Namaste]

Entirely agree GV - music and art. Thanks for that addition :¬)

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder if the catalyst of waiting in traffic will turn many STS..

That doesn't bother me one bit.

[Bring4th_Steve]

A special thanks to 3DMonkey for catching the spammer who just posted a link to a site about Death Dates.

The moderators found out because the "Report" button was pressed. Please don't pass by these messages! Please flag them, and we will swoop in and delete as soon as possible to keep these forums as clean as possible.

Many thanks,
Steve

[AnthroHeart]

Do you reckon creating music and sharing it freely is another example of "shared intelligent energy"?

Yeah, I would think that it would definitely be that.
I also think sharing music that means a great deal to us is also a form of sharing intelligent energy.
Probably anything we can do is that.

[zenmaster]

Do you reckon creating music and sharing it freely is another example of "shared intelligent energy"?

Could be, potentially. It really depends on the level of participation of the parties involved. I tend to see it as a more direct, active process (with potential exchange) rather than sharing in the sense of providing some product of intuitive creation. There is a conscious connection between individuals, there is navigation among participants and an active dialog which addresses particular individual needs in a conscious manner.

[godwide_void]

Ruth, Namaste, Gemini Wolf, zenmaster, thank you all for your thoughtful input.

Now do you suppose that music that is shared freely that is created with the intention of being in service of, inspired by, and dedicated to, the One Infinite Creator and meant to transmit positive energies and feelings of peace to those who listen to it (and hopefully serve as catalyst for awakening to some!) is especially service-oriented?

And what if it was a saga of albums that focuses on the same thing this forum is based upon?

The Law of One
Octave of Creation
Ouroboric Aesthetics of the Divine

[/shamelessselfpromotion]

Let's all be of service, in our own special and unique ways, regardless how big or small it is, so that when the gateway to Ascension is opened upon death, none of of us will be left behind.

[AnthroHeart]

Hmm, it seems that Octave of Creation is no longer available GV at that mediafire site.

[godwide_void]

Hmmm, try this link for Octave of Creation then: http://www.mediafire.com/?5ekrq97g5jawe1b

It should work. Let me know if it does, and I hope you enjoy all of them!

[Plenum]

Hence, the date itself is not the event, but a marker. A 'tick-tock', of the cosmic clock; the signifier of the ability to harvest upon death; the opening of the gateway to ascension. The vehicle that takes us through said gateway? Death.

The harvest debate is then not instant vs. gradual. It's upon death in one's own time. There will be no 21/12/2012 induced cataclysm, no sudden 'pop' into 4D at 11:11am, and no time-span of X generations to evolve into 4D from this point. We simply birth into 4D upon our next incarnation (if that's what we choose), as long as we make it to that frequency when walking the steps of light.

Perhaps this is what the Mayans (and other ancient cultures) are so excited about, and why they anticipate it with such dedication; their clocks track the cycles of consciousness. They chart/calculate the opening of the gateway to fourth density, a new age, a rebirth, and this is why they say it's such a gift to be incarnated at this moment in time. We often talk of the Mayan calendar, and the coming of a new age, but rarely do we equate it to the opening of a gateway upon death itself.

Namaste, I think this is a fine and beautiful presentation of what lies ahead.

the whole discussion around Harvest and 2012 gets muddied because people implicitly identify the two things as being one and the same; ie that 2012=Harvest. This is perhaps an incorrect assumption.

as you correctly identify (and this is something that I have also come to see on my own) there are two things going on here:

1) The Harvest: this is a process, and may be highly individual, related to one's own 'natural' death.

2) end of the 75000 year cycle: this is as Ra says, as regular as the striking of the hour. This could co-incide with the popular 2012 day.

these two 'Things' are related, but not necessarily the same. If one goes back and reads what the Law of One says, then perhaps this distinction can be teased apart.

Session 14 furnishes some interesting thoughts on the Harvest after the first 25000 years, and then after the 50000 year mark. I have highlighted some intriguing wordings by Ra.

As others have noted, Ra talks about Harvest in the present tense.

14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

14.15 Questioner: Going back to when we started this 75,000 year period, there was a harvest 25,000 years after the start which would make it 50,000 years ago. Can you tell me how many were harvested at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest was none.

14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago?
Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, was those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities who were now to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.

14.17 Questioner: Then in the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who could have been harvested into the fourth density chose to remain here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Thus, there was no harvest, but there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into fourth dimension.

14.18 Questioner: Then for the last 2,300 years you have been working to create as large a harvest as possible at the end of the total 75,000 year cycle. Can you state with respect to the Law of One why you do this?

there are also a couple of interesting factoids re: the Harvest contained in Session 17.

* if you open the gateway to Intelligent Infinity, you can choose to be Harvested at anytime. Regardless of 2012 or not.

* the Harvest Process applies to entities who aren't even incarnate on Planet Earth at this time!!

17.25 Questioner: How did Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin get harvested prior to the harvest?
Ra: I am Ra. It is the right/privilege/duty of those opening consciously the gate to intelligent infinity to choose the manner of their leaving of third density. Those of negative orientation who so achieve this right/duty most often choose to move forward in their learn/teaching of service to self.

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

lots of food to chew upon

I guess one sticking point is that if after 2012 the physical world keeps rolling in 3d until everyone dies naturally, then will babies stop being born? Otherwise our planetary population of 7 billion will just keep on pro-creating, and this 3d world will go on forever lol. Sort of like those nightmare SF novels/movies, where the entirely population just becomes infertile overnight and society gets older and older, the people fewer and fewer ... until the last 3d person carcs it. Who wants to be the last person standing on 3d earth? haha.

peace

[Namaste]

Thanks for sharing those quotes plenum, 14.14 in particular...

"I am Ra. The harvest is now"

It couldn't be any clearer, and collaborates with this new thread on the subject:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3765

[βαθμιαίος]

"I am Ra. The harvest is now"

Ra also said "the harvesting is not yet." (6.19)

[Plenum]

"I am Ra. The harvest is now"

Ra also said "the harvesting is not yet." (6.19)

yeah, this is a bit too hard to un-tangle right now.

All the evidence seems to point to Dec 21 next year as being significant. That's about as much certainty as we can have.

I used to get caught up in the whole countdown thing from when I first came across the 2012 meme about 4-5 years ago. Used to countdown each day, one fewer day till I get off this god-forsaken planet!

then about 2 years ago I discovered 'deep' meditation, the sort of stuff I imagine that Buddhist Monks slip into after years and years of training. I had been working on consciousness balancing for a while (ever since I discovered the Law of One) but had never been a serious meditator. 15 minutes would make me fidget. Then I went deep.

It unlocked a lot of peace within me. The notion of being a Planetary Healer presented itself as a calling. I could imagine myself being a human sub-station taking energies from Higher Densities and sneaking them through the Quarantine via my chakras. The Earth Grid could then supposedly benefit from these 'living energies' as Ra calls them.

so we get to here ... less than a solar year left, and I'm relishing my time here. Almost don't want to go! Still so much to be done ... but all done with a joyful and willing Heart.

As those who self-identify as Wanderers ... we go back to our home densities anyway (4th, 5th, or 6th) so the Harvest doesn't really affect us.

there is Love in the Moment, and there is Infinity in your Next Thought.

peace

[Observer]

Thanks for the thread everyone!

[Namaste]

"I am Ra. The harvest is now"

Ra also said "the harvesting is not yet." (6.19)

In it's full context:

6.19 Questioner: Is it possible to estimate what percent of the present population will inhabit the fourth-density planet?

Ra: The harvesting is not yet, thus, estimation is meaningless.

"Harvesting" seems to imply that the harvest is complete. Ra uses this term with regards to the levels/graduations of the harvest process in it's entirely.

If you search for the term Harvesting on LOO.info, Ra's use of the term is very consistent contextually.

A key example:

34.16 Questioner: Would the red ray, an intense red ray, then be used as an index for seniority in incarnation as well as an intense violet ray?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive, the red ray is seen only as that, which being activated, is the basis for all that occurs in vibratory levels, the sum of this being violet ray energy.

Harvesting is used with graduation. Transferable terms.

It appears that:

Harvest = current tense; in progress
Harvesting = past tense; complete

[zenmaster]

Harvesting is used with graduation. Transferable terms.

It's also used without graduation, non-transferrable terms

It appears that:

Harvest = current tense; in progress
Harvesting = past tense; complete

Harvest is also used past tense - complete and harvesting used both in future tense and present tense - incomplete.

[Namaste]

Harvesting is used with graduation. Transferable terms.

It's also used without graduation, non-transferrable terms

It appears that:

Harvest = current tense; in progress
Harvesting = past tense; complete

Harvest is also used past tense - complete and harvesting used both in future tense and present tense - incomplete.

Actually, if you read each Q&A using the above 'harvesting' link, they are nearly all in the context of completion, while the 'harvest' is about the process. Have a look for yourself. Of course, each is open to one's own interpretation.

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In the graduation or harvesting to fourth-density positive

Do not ignore context. Ra is specific with words. This sentence is in no way ambiguous, and shouldn't be 'muddied' due to other potential interpretations in other answers. It stands on it's own.

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Note: we should move this chat to the other thread, created regarding this topic...

Q'uo: The harvest began in 1987

ZM, B, please move there if you'd like to continue.

[zenmaster]

Actually, if you read each Q&A using the above 'harvesting' link, they are nearly all in the context of completion, .

present (ongoing) tense:
"it may be noted that all possible opportunities for incarnation are being taken at this time due to your harvesting process"

"Dealing with a plane such as this third-density at this harvesting,"

"It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting."

future:
"violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting"

while the 'harvest' is about the process. Have a look for yourself. Of course, each is open to one's own interpretation

past:
"The harvest was none"

"The harvest of that time"

future:
"The harvest for us will be"

"the harvest will still be"

"will be included in the harvest."

[Namaste]

Please continue this in the other thread, it's specifically for this discussion. I will reply there.

[13TreeofLife13]

Just stumbled upon this Q&A, and it's given me a new idea about the process of the harvest and the significance of 2012 (or whatever the actual date was, Ra gave only an approximation).

Ra's reply (specifically talking of death in relation to the harvest). Read this carefully...

Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

This is quite clear, Ra states that during the normal pattern of death, during harvest there is an additional step. Walking the steps of light.

Hence, the date itself is not the event, but a marker. A 'tick-tock', of the cosmic clock; the signifier of the ability to harvest upon death; the opening of the gateway to ascension. The vehicle that takes us through said gateway? Death.

The harvest debate is then not instant vs. gradual. It's upon death in one's own time. There will be no 21/12/2012 induced cataclysm, no sudden 'pop' into 4D at 11:11am, and no time-span of X generations to evolve into 4D from this point. We simply birth into 4D upon our next incarnation (if that's what we choose), as long as we make it to that frequency when walking the steps of light.

Perhaps this is what the Mayans (and other ancient cultures) are so excited about, and why they anticipate it with such dedication; their clocks track the cycles of consciousness. They chart/calculate the opening of the gateway to fourth density, a new age, a rebirth, and this is why they say it's such a gift to be incarnated at this moment in time. We often talk of the Mayan calendar, and the coming of a new age, but rarely do we equate it to the opening of a gateway upon death itself.

At times I have thought, "Hmmm. 2012 -the harvest- is approaching, and there are so many people who need help. Not enough time!". Yet, we have our remaining lives, rather than a year (or even less), in which to be of service to others; to help uplift, inspire and empower. More time to help increase the harvest (and to balance/polarise while doing so).

How to graduate?

48.6 Questioner: Thank you. I would like to take as an example an entity, starting before birth, who is roughly high on the seniority list for positive polarization and possible harvestability at the end of this cycle and follow a full cycle of his experience starting before his incarnation. <snip> Could you do that for me?

Ra: I am Ra. <snip>

The patterns of activation of an entity of high seniority [great chance of making the harvest] will undoubtedly move with some rapidity to the [#1] green-ray level which is the springboard to primary blue. There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity [scarcity]; that is, honesty. [#2] Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with otherself. Having accepted that an harvestable or nearly harvestable entity will be working from this green-ray springboard one may then posit that the experiences in the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue-ray of freely given communication, of [#3] indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of [#4] violet-ray intelligent infinity. This may be seen to be manifested by a sense of the consecrate or hallowed nature of everyday creations and activities.

Not the main point of this post, but invaluable information for those wanting to balance and jump on the harvest train...

1) Opening the heart; compassion and service to others
2) Honesty with yourself and others
3) Offering healing, teaching, telekinesis - skills of the adept
4) Gratitude for the divinity in all

Much love :¬)

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Update!

Some new information has come to my attention which has given me a new understanding of the harvest. The only difference is that the harvest has already begun, and the date 2012 is a marker of the completion of Earth's 4D (STO) sphere, making it habitable.

Essentially - all the above remains the same; we each have the gift of living out our current incarnations in which to serve/polarise/balance. Death remains as the doorway in which to move to fourth density positive.

Read this for supporting thoughts and quotes from Ra and Q'uo

I have been inconsistently searching for an explanation related to this: Last year I saw a beam/ray that was indigo/purple/violet colored in the sky. It was parallel to the ground and not perfectly shaped. When I saw it, it 'flew' forward and then stopped. Then it proceeded to fly forward some more, and then it again stopped. After that it just shot off and disappeared from my vision. Without any information about anything metaphysical, it just seems like a light ray/beam that possesses the ability of thought. That experience really marked the date of the beginning of my spiritual journey.

Any thoughts?

[abstrktion]

Ruth, Namaste, Gemini Wolf, zenmaster, thank you all for your thoughtful input.

Now do you suppose that music that is shared freely that is created with the intention of being in service of, inspired by, and dedicated to, the One Infinite Creator and meant to transmit positive energies and feelings of peace to those who listen to it (and hopefully serve as catalyst for awakening to some!) is especially service-oriented?

And what if it was a saga of albums that focuses on the same thing this forum is based upon?

The Law of One
Octave of Creation
Ouroboric Aesthetics of the Divine

[/shamelessselfpromotion]

Let's all be of service, in our own special and unique ways, regardless how big or small it is, so that when the gateway to Ascension is opened upon death, none of of us will be left behind.

Share the album!!! Maybe someone could create a music site to post Ra-inspired tunes? Could be great fun...
IMO, there's nothing better than singing and playing together--especially if you get a good harmony going!

[zenmaster]

There will be no 21/12/2012 induced cataclysm,

Seems that, indeed, there might just be a global cataclysm that is related to that date. Not that it matters.

[3DMonkey]

There will be no 21/12/2012 induced cataclysm,

Seems that, indeed, there might just be a global cataclysm that is related to that date. Not that it matters.

What is that??

(stuff matters, zen, let stuff matter)

[zenmaster]

There will be no 21/12/2012 induced cataclysm,

Seems that, indeed, there might just be a global cataclysm that is related to that date. Not that it matters.

What is that??

(stuff matters, zen, let stuff matter)

It doesn't matter with respect to seeking, being centered, living in the moment, etc. There is nothing that can be said in words about impending destruction that will not be interpreted negatively by people, and therefore discussed from the standpoint of fear. In that sense it doesn't matter. It does matter in the sense of Namaste claiming to know something he doesn't know, however.

[Bring4th_Austin]

There will be no 21/12/2012 induced cataclysm,

Seems that, indeed, there might just be a global cataclysm that is related to that date. Not that it matters.

What is that??

(stuff matters, zen, let stuff matter)

It doesn't matter with respect to seeking, being centered, living in the moment, etc. There is nothing that can be said in words about impending destruction that will not be interpreted negatively by people, and therefore discussed from the standpoint of fear. In that sense it doesn't matter. It does matter in the sense of Namaste claiming to know something he doesn't know, however.

By saying "there might just be a global cataclysm that is related to that date," do you mean that to say there might be because there it is impossible for us to rule out a global cataclysm on any given date?

Or are you privy to clandestine knowledge regarding a possible cataclysm related to that date which you choose not to share because it may be interpreted negatively by others?

If you can't say it in words, perhaps you could draw us pictures ?

[zenmaster]

By saying "there might just be a global cataclysm that is related to that date," do you mean that to say there might be because there it is impossible for us to rule out a global cataclysm on any given date?

Yes, so why make a claim like that, esp in light of the channeling material on the subject.

Or are you privy to clandestine knowledge regarding a possible cataclysm related to that date which you choose not to share because it may be interpreted negatively by others?

It sort of misses the point to delve into upheaval on a specific date, unless you are prepared to be honest about it.

Ra plainly said:

59.24 Questioner: When the planetary axis realigns, will it realign 20° east of north to conform to the green vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. We fear this shall be the last question as this entity rapidly increases its distortion towards what you call pain of the body complex.

There is every indication that this will occur. We cannot speak of certainties but are aware that the grosser or less dense materials will be pulled into conformation with the denser and lighter energies which give your Logos its proceedings through the realms of experience.

May we answer any brief queries at this time?

Which seems to clearly indicate a physical, planetary axis shift (with respect to plane of solar orbit).

Latwii was asked a lot about the specific subject in the 1980 (pre-Ra) sessions, and said (for example as it is discussed many times):
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0607.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0727.aspx

[Shemaya]

Cool, sort of like an alignment that locks into place.....I can imagine a massive wave of energy as that alignment occurs, seems kind of surreal right now, nothing like that has happened before in our short human lives.