Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking

[yossarian]

Thanks! :p <3

[apeiron]

Seems the expression "That picture is a piece of crap" might not be truly blue but instead orange/yellow and blue being mostly blocked. Or orange/yellow blockage?

[3DMonkey]

Let's take another example, of an opinion on a forum.

Danny says, "I think the third spiral is blue and contains cubes."

Elmo replies, "Wow, I've never thought of it like that AT ALL. I always saw the third spiral as green and chock full of spinning tops. I can't even imagine where you got that unique perspective. Thanks for sharing Danny. Namaste. <3, Elmo"

Fred also chimes in, "Danny, you're wrong. Elmo is right. Gary knows more about this than any of us and he confirmed with me earlier that it's definitely blue. Danny, I highly suggest you check yourself before you wreck yourself, because you're just dead wrong. I see trouble in your future if you keep continuing on the path you're on. I know what I'm talking about, Gary does, and Elmo does too. You better get it straight."

POP QUIZ:

Question 1. Is anyone here coming from the open heart?

Question 2. Is anyone here being judgmental, closed-hearted, cold, ruthless, critical, argumentative, antagonistic, hurtful, or fear-mongering?

Question 3. Is anyone creating positive vibes here? Is anyone creating negative vibes?

It really depends entirely on the reader of the words. Seriously. If you want to be annoyed, you are annoyed. If you want to be hurt, you are hurt.

Here is the kicker. If you want to be compassionate toward the poster, then you can be compassionate. There is a particular poster who I think goes out of his way to say what I think is intended to be rude. It really doesn't bother me because my view of him is compassion and understanding(believing, really) that he enjoys his own world and I allow him his amusement. There are yet others who I let get under my skin because of MY personal desires to see things a certain way.

The reader has full autonomy and free will to be affected as they would choose to be.

[Steppingfeet]

Unity100,

There remains one person who can testify to how the experience of Ra’s words and Ra themselves *felt*. So I asked Jim McCarty a couple of questions.

Me: “Jim, Ra could be rather blunt and to the point, at times telling Don that he was incorrect. Would you say Ra’s responses lacked compassion? Was there love in the contact?”

Jim: “Ra’s responses did not lack compassion. Yes there was love. But it was not unrelieved compassion, it was balanced with wisdom.”

Me: “How did you perceive this love?”

Jim: “In two ways. One, there was a constant love energy present that could be felt in the vibration of the contact that went beyond the words Two, the words that they did choose indicated their care towards the contact, their friendly feelings, their gratitude for the contact, and their love/respect of us.”


Unity100, in justifying what many consider a rather cold approach to relating to others, you fall back on the Law of One, invoking it as your model for how you go about relating to others. You explain that as Ra was blunt in telling the Questioner he was mistaken, you, too, are blunt and tell others they are mistaken. And whereas no one insinuates that Ra lacked compassion, no one should see you as being loveless.

Here’s the key difference.


Those who received the Ra contact (Don, Carla, and Jim) did not feel like they were being minimized, negated, condescended down to, belittled, treated as inferiors, or their right to a point of view completely eliminated. Those who received the Ra contact have never once said about Ra what’s been said about your approach.

Further, as far as I’m aware, no seeker who has ever read and loved the Law of One has ever said of Ra’s approach what others have said of yours.

The testimony of the experience of Ra on one hand, and the experience of Unity100 on the other, are two very different things.


Being in a moderator position, I’ve been privy to a great deal of disgruntlement from those who have felt disrespected by your seeming inability/refusal to relate with sensitivity and compassion and respect to the others' point of view. (Note, this does not mean people have necessarily been upset that you have not *agreed* with them, but rather that in your disagreement you approach them as if the conversation of equals is over. You approach others with a single-minded intensity bent on one thing: proving them wrong with little concern for the validity of viewpoints other than your own.)

I add my own voice to the chorus of discontent and say that while I personally find your intellectual magnitude far beyond what I typically encounter, and am impressed to no end by the penetrating analysis you are able to at times provide (I don’t know how you juggle it all in your brain), I nevertheless seldom feel the love/wisdom balance from you that I and others feel from Ra.

The likening of your approach to Ra’s is superficial, bearing only surface resemblance. The proof of what I say is contained within the testimony of the many who repeatedly feel the harshness of your energy.

Dance around that all you want, but when the opinions remain consistent over a considerably period of time, spanning multiple people, a coherent picture begins to emerge of certain dominant/prominent aspects of your character.

It’s not that you are not loved – members certainly have great affection for you in full knowledge of your thorny ways. And it behooves those who respond with irritation to you to look into the mirror and forgive that which obscures the operation of their own heart.

But nevertheless the fact remains that there is great disparity between how you perceive (and are willing) to see yourself, and how others perceive you. It seems you find reasons to negate and discount the personal testimony of other members, as if they cannot have clear sight when it comes to you, as if any critical perception of you is distorted vision on their part.

Some critical perceptions of you have surely been motivated by personal dogmas being challenged, but when a mountain of data is assembled that testifies to what it’s like to dialogue with you on the forums, an incontrovertible conclusion and consensus emerges about your love-deficient approach, and your limited capacity to respect the right of others to generate valid perceptions of their own making.

You will of course employ your analytical acrobatics to circumvent everything I’ve written here. I expect that. But I thought I would do my best to offer a reflection in the spirit of for what it’s worth. Use it for your own spiritual evolution as you see fit, and if not, by all means continue on as you are, carrying out this same tired pattern in perpetuity.

With love and light,
GLB

[3DMonkey]

I also recall numerous members asking me to see unity100 as my teacher. Boy, did my red ray try to block that. It really is the reader's choice. It's much easier for Ra, we all come to the writings as student listeners. 'Who is this 3D character, no better than me, asking me to listen to him?'. Believe me, I know. We all do this. It is natural. We all have it all "figured out", and" if everyone would just listen to me, they'd be better off. You can't see what I see."

Unity100 ceased communicating with me on day one. I judged him completely for that action. I'm thankful now . I learned how to skip over posts myself from his teaching . I never lacked compassion for his person though. No, I'd serve him a cup of tea with a smile on my face. I know I'm not wrong, no matter what he says.

[apeiron]

Tricky to be blue in yellow.

[native]

Tricky to be blue in yellow.

Communication is an art form. There is value in blending compassionate understanding in with honesty. Teaching is more effective that way.

A large part of blue ray involves being honest with the self. Consider 15.12. Honesty goes both ways. Can you see how always perceiving one's self as correct indicates blockage? They are literally unable to see the correctness in what others are saying because their ability to receive communication is partly blocked. They are also unable to see their own faults, because they refuse to be honest with themselves..more blockage.

Being a proud leo, I've dealt with those issues from day one. It took me years to realize that forcing opinions on others has the opposite effect of our intentions. Admitting we're wrong shows acceptance of self and strength, not weakness.

[unity100]

Does honesty requires a balance? Green/blue?

that is the work of 6th ray. you dont get to there, without practicing the 5th.

however, even when you get there, balancing can never take the form of faking/lying/dishonesty. that would be overriding of one ray, for the sake of another.

What about you think you're using blue and it is orange/yellow in reality? Power issues, etc.

you cannot use blue ray, if you are moving with negative forms of orange/yellow. for, blue ray is not found in negative spectrum as we are told. the use of blue in negative in regard to information and correspondence, takes the form of lying/misrepresenting information and correspondence in accordance for the desired manipulation of the entity, and this generally takes the form of telling the entity what it desires, or fears, or whatever is going to affect it at that particular point.

blunt honesty does not have a place in negative spectrum. leave aside honesty.

My mom's 'honesty' affected me deeply, to the point of completely eradicating any possibility of pursuing music. Did she do the 'right' thing?

she very probably did the right thing.

for, if you had any desire and passion in your soul for music, you would have pursued it anyway. and someone would already react honestly to something you have sung in that fashion because they did not like it. if you had a passion for it, you would just go over that, and keep doing it.

the life already provides endless amounts of tests to provide thresholds to entities who are pursuing anything. if a person who cannot pass over the honest expression of dissatisfaction in what you do breaks your desire, then it means you actually did not really desire that enough to pursue it.

that is no different in spiritual matters, and actually much more important. there are endless amount of stumbling blocks that wait in every step to hold people that are not really desiring/unready to move forward, from moving forward. and these can range from the attitudes of family to negative entities.

dishonesty does not provide anything. it is desirable that the interactions should be without hurt, but it is necessary that there should be honesty to directly and accurately depict the felt emotions and thoughts as they are, instead of modifying/faking/repressing/changing them.

otherwise a lot of people just keep ending up pursuing music careers while stumbling in the way because people around them were always accommodating and never honest. or someone singing opera with a loud voice next to you in a small compact car because he thinks when he does that people are just enchanted.

Unity100,

There remains one person who can testify to how the experience of Ra’s words and Ra themselves *felt*. So I asked Jim McCarty a couple of questions.

Me: “Jim, Ra could be rather blunt and to the point, at times telling Don that he was incorrect. Would you say Ra’s responses lacked compassion? Was there love in the contact?”

Jim: “Ra’s responses did not lack compassion. Yes there was love. But it was not unrelieved compassion, it was balanced with wisdom.”

Me: “How did you perceive this love?”

Jim: “In two ways. One, there was a constant love energy present that could be felt in the vibration of the contact that went beyond the words Two, the words that they did choose indicated their care towards the contact, their friendly feelings, their gratitude for the contact, and their love/respect of us.”


Unity100, in justifying what many consider a rather cold approach to relating to others, you fall back on the Law of One, invoking it as your model for how you go about relating to others. You explain that as Ra was blunt in telling the Questioner he was mistaken, you, too, are blunt and tell others they are mistaken. And whereas no one insinuates that Ra lacked compassion, no one should see you as being loveless.

Here’s the key difference.

Those who received the Ra contact (Don, Carla, and Jim) did not feel like they were being minimized, negated, condescended down to, belittled, treated as inferiors, or their right to a point of view completely eliminated. Those who received the Ra contact have never once said about Ra what’s been said about your approach.

the key difference here is, apart from the modicum amount of extra offstandishness in my language and correspondence (which is not always constant btw), i am in no position to spiritually be present in the room that another entity is reading these lines from, and i am by no means able to impart that much spiritual energy to their environment so they will feel loved and cared for. practically, none of us, are in that position.

therefore :

Further, as far as I’m aware, no seeker who has ever read and loved the Law of One has ever said of Ra’s approach what others have said of yours.

actually i know quite an amount of people who thought that Ra's correspondence was lacking emotion/love/compassion when read from a book. i myself, are among them, and there has been others who had had expressed the same thing, when i had had recommended the book to them and even lent them. the last case of that has happened just a week ago, when i recommended someone who was very into spiritual literature read Ra material due to its reliability. the person did not like it, and did not read it, but due to my recommendation about reliability, he is now trying to read it.

i myself personally stopped reading the material a few times and read other stuff, back in 1994-1997 period. due to the exact same reason.

Being in a moderator position, I’ve been privy to a great deal of disgruntlement from those who have felt disrespected by your seeming inability/refusal to relate with sensitivity and compassion and respect to the others' point of view. (Note, this does not mean people have necessarily been upset that you have not *agreed* with them, but rather that in your disagreement you approach them as if the conversation of equals is over. You approach others with a single-minded intensity bent on one thing: proving them wrong with little concern for the validity of viewpoints other than your own.)

i did not at any point deny that when i am defending something, i approach it with a single minded intensity. and, someone already should not attempt to defend anything if s/he does not believe or trust to be true/valid in front of others in the first place.

my reaction to this train of thought has been that, people who were not ready or wanting to engage in intense discussions, should not seek or engage intense discussions in the first place. this doesnt even encompass the spiritual aspect of this kind of necessity, which i have discussed with you and others through open and private discussions.

I add my own voice to the chorus of discontent and say that while I personally find your intellectual magnitude far beyond what I typically encounter, and am impressed to no end by the penetrating analysis you are able to at times provide (I don’t know how you juggle it all in your brain), I nevertheless seldom feel the love/wisdom balance from you that I and others feel from Ra.

i would like to state that i still feel the love/wisdom balance or love from Ra, even after 17 years of study. i had had my infinite intelligence contact experience when i first read silver birch, and i feel it whenever i open and gaze in the book even today. but, i have not at all felt the kind of love you speak of, from Ra material.

The likening of your approach to Ra’s is superficial, bearing only surface resemblance. The proof of what I say is contained within the testimony of the many who repeatedly feel the harshness of your energy.

i didnt at any point deny that my discussion and interaction can be intense and energy harsh at times. especially at times when people ignore/invalidate the very spiritual principles they seem to be apparently advocating by contradicting them openly based on convenience, only to switch to advocating them when the convenience is accomplished. hypocrisy and turnaboutness. this is a wide spectrum that ranges from icaro's attempt to invalidate almost entirety of Ra material in order to invalidate a quote about harvest date he did not like, a few pages later in discussion only to switch to relying on the later parts which he has had invalidated with his proposition to support another of his perspectives on the same subject to namaste basically telling me to fake my correspondence and refrain from a basic language construct that we liberally use in our country - actually it is necessary to use it in polite settings with intense discussions with plurals - because american cultural political correctness requires it. i have given names to identify the certain occasions, however i believe the mentioned people will not mind, since the occasion requires and they already know all of these.

You will of course employ your analytical acrobatics to circumvent everything I’ve written here. I expect that. But I thought I would do my best to offer a reflection in the spirit of for what it’s worth. Use it for your own spiritual evolution as you see fit, and if not, by all means continue on as you are, carrying out this same tired pattern in perpetuity.

With love and light,
GLB

as you can see, i didnt provide anything analytical. i bluntly, directly told what i have been thinking. i did not deny anything either, when it seemed inconvenient.

[yossarian]

Unity, what's with the feeling of psychic attack whenever I talk to you? Am I doing it to myself cause your words are so true and resonant but I find it threatening? Or is it that your forceful opinions are like zeus lightning bolts stabbing me in the brain?

When we had a big argument a long time ago it felt like someone was stabbing me in the back of the head for 2 weeks.

Just wondering if you have any insight on this.

P.S. I don't mean this sarcastically or accusatorially. I figure you have an opinion on this so would like to hear it.

[unity100]

Unity, what's with the feeling of psychic attack whenever I talk to you?

thats because you have probably never seen a psychic attack. a lot of people equate the irritations they feel against other people, or the irritation other people feel against them, or any kind of strong emotion with psychic attack. to elaborate :

When we had a big argument a long time ago it felt like someone was stabbing me in the back of the head for 2 weeks.

Just wondering if you have any insight on this.

P.S. I don't mean this sarcastically or accusatorially. I figure you have an opinion on this so would like to hear it.

since i would have forgotten about you looong before 2 weeks, leave aside to field the power and means to sustain a 'psychic attack' at the other end of the world to someone i dont know, it means that you were very very irritated by the discussion we had, and what i had had said that you did not like.

i am speaking from experience. i had had gone through such stuff a lot of times in my life, when i met situations or was told things that were totally in contrast to my conditioned thoughts/beliefs or things i believed to be true.

its hard to come face to face with biases. when i dared use the word 'socialism' in our discussion the first time, your reaction was as if you have seen a devil, and i actually felt as if i was committing blasphemy in front of someone. but, when you returned after a long time and responded in some other discussion in a similar subject, i saw that you were actually describing a system which happens to have a lot of the stuff i have defended in that discussion about socialism, which surprised me.

..............

the possibility of a psychic attack cannot be discounted of course - a negative entity/thought form seeking to amplify your distortions, may have continually used the irritation you have had about the discussion to amplify thoughts of anger and vengeance against whatever you could associate the discussion with - me, socialism, this that, hippies, whatever possible. that is also a common form of throwing entities off balance, as we can not only get from the material, but also see through our lives in practice.

[yossarian]

The argument lasted about 2 weeks and the literal pain in the back of my head ended when we stopped arguing.

How would someone know if they're being psychic attacked? I always thought the symptoms were stuff like headaches, dizziness, terror -- while in situations where this stuff doesnt make sense except spiritually.

[Namaste]

Unity, for the record, I'm not American. Another projection :¬)

I'll stop my participation in our discussion regarding compassion with you personally as it's become very repetitive, and I have nothing new to add. The notions are exceedingly simple.

We see things differently, perfect for our own state of being, and that's all there is to it :¬)

GLB - thank you so much for asking Jim about his intuitive feelings during the Ra contact. Invaluable and inspirational.

Eric - nice to see you here dear friend!

Monica - I agree, adults seldom realise the power they have over their children's development, and often say things unconsciously. Each person, especially young children, have quite literally infinite potential to be anything they dream of.

Your mother, if understanding this, could have said "Your heart sings when you sing? Well then, let's see what we can do!".

Your life would have been very different. Not necessarily better or worse, but the choices you made would have put you on a different path.

Regarding the picture: telling a child that it's "a piece of crap" is what I would call closed-minded. One has to appreciate the subjectivity of artwork and the beauty in expression of the self, regardless of technical ability. People often judge artwork using the left, analytical hemisphere, which often misses the point. Art and expression are predominantly of the right, creative hemisphere, and hence, using that aspect of one's self is the intended means of viewing (feeling, to be to the point).

[3DMonkey]

Your mother, if understanding this, could have said "Your heart sings when you sing? Well then, let's see what we can do!".

Funny thing, if you hold the mother responsible, or tell her she was wrong, then you haven't learned anything from the experience.

" Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/they little or no good."

[apeiron]

Regarding the picture: telling a child that it's "a piece of crap" is what I would call closed-minded. One has to appreciate the subjectivity of artwork and the beauty in expression of the self, regardless of technical ability. People often judge artwork using the left, analytical hemisphere, which often misses the point. Art and expression are predominantly of the right, creative hemisphere, and hence, using that aspect of one's self is the intended means of viewing (feeling, to be to the point).

Problem is that some seemingly blue manifestations represent orange/yellow or even green blockages. Just talking/writing does not mean using blue ray.

[3DMonkey]

I think it is using it. Maybe not with clear representation of an active blue ray. The ray can still be used even if primarily in potentiation.

[Namaste]

Your mother, if understanding this, could have said "Your heart sings when you sing? Well then, let's see what we can do!".

Funny thing, if you hold the mother responsible, or tell her she was wrong, then you haven't learned anything from the experience.

" Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/they little or no good."

Agreed. This is when the learned becomes the teacher, especially with their own children.

Regarding the picture: telling a child that it's "a piece of crap" is what I would call closed-minded. One has to appreciate the subjectivity of artwork and the beauty in expression of the self, regardless of technical ability. People often judge artwork using the left, analytical hemisphere, which often misses the point. Art and expression are predominantly of the right, creative hemisphere, and hence, using that aspect of one's self is the intended means of viewing (feeling, to be to the point).

Problem is that some seemingly blue manifestations represent orange/yellow or even green blockages. Just talking/writing does not mean using blue ray.

The point is that art is an expression of being, which transcends language and intellectual concepts :¬)

Hence, that child has created an expression of itself, using the current level of mastery (or not) it has over the implemented medium (i.e. paint). To intellectually judge the level of technical mastery misses the essence of the creation itself.

[apeiron]

Agreed. This is when the learned becomes the teacher, especially with their own children.

What is this density but a big GED program. We are all studying for this big GED.

[Namaste]

Agreed. This is when the learned becomes the teacher, especially with their own children.

What is this density but a big GED program. We are all studying for this big GED.

What's GED? :¬)

[apeiron]

You have to read the last 2 pages I think on the thread "More Elenin" in Olio.

[Oceania]

bah. Monkey you are talking of another thing entirely. even if it's supposedly the child's responsibility at this young age to somehow react better, it is also the mother's responsibility to not push her views on her child. sides, in parctice it's a really shitty thing to do cuz the consequences are dire.

[Namaste]

Monkey you are talking of another thing entirely.

I thought that initially, but I think 3DM is not denying the influence (control) parents have, but rather talking of dealing with the consequences of such actions later in life; learning from them, and passing on these teachings (i.e. encouraging your own children), rather than perpetuating them.

[Oceania]

if no parents made that mistake we wouldn't need to learn from it then.

[Namaste]

Indeed, that particular lesson/catalyst would not manifest in that particular context. That's how (positive) cultural evolution works; thoughts/words/deeds that springboard civilisations to higher levels of consciousness and understanding.

[3DMonkey]

It only lasts a generation. Unless control is put in place.

[Namaste]

It only lasts a generation. Unless control is put in place.

Not necessarily, the child brought up by an encouraging and supportive parent may act in the same manner quite instinctively.

[Oceania]

some things parents pass on to their children. some are good things.

[unity100]

The argument lasted about 2 weeks and the literal pain in the back of my head ended when we stopped arguing.

How would someone know if they're being psychic attacked? I always thought the symptoms were stuff like headaches, dizziness, terror -- while in situations where this stuff doesnt make sense except spiritually.

terror is something that would only work on weak willed entities. any entity showing rather noticeable strength of character, would not be affected by things pertaining to fear, so it would be useless. the most likely way such fear/terror stuff would work would be when an entity had a particular fear/worry for something particular, like survival, or his/her job, or his/her children etc or something, or a fobia, or something that is reminiscent of its past lives or similar. and then these kind of amplifications would take the nature of amplifying these worries. it wouldnt be something that you could easily identify as a psychic attack with that ease.

headaches, dizziness this that symptoms are totally dependent on the entity. if you look at the situations in Ra material, you would find that every other member got something particular to their own mind/body/spirit complex amplified. there is no thumb rule for identifying psychic attacks through bodily symptoms.

what you speak of seem to be symptoms everyone exhibits when they are in stressful circumstances or heightened confrontations.

a more likely way to identify psychic attack would be to look for signs of obsession with something that is abnormally amplified, or the general thumb rule of energy - ra had had said that if a non positive or negative entity is in the vicinity, the entities there would feel colder.

[quote='Namaste' pid='59265' dateline='1320234583']
Unity, for the record, I'm not American. Another projection :¬)

well your speech, your approaches and your preference of conduct, is quite american from where i look. that is not an exception though - many people who are inhabiting the anglo-american internet, generally conduct and talk in the same manner, and those who dont really poke the eye. even my eye.

I'll stop my participation in our discussion regarding compassion with you personally as it's become very repetitive, and I have nothing new to add. The notions are exceedingly simple.

We see things differently, perfect for our own state of being, and that's all there is to it :¬)

yes. the main difference in our perspectives is that, despite you are saying that you are operating from 4th ray, and describing me as operating from 5th ray, you are criticizing me for not mixing 5th ray with 4th ray as it should be in 6th ray work, which is a level above the ray you are describing me to be working with, all the while you yourself are conveniently ignoring 5th ray as much as you want yourself. why demand someone to operate in a higher level, if you are not seeing any need to do it yourself ....

.................................................

if we return to the gist of criticism, yes, people tick me really off, when they act hypocritically - acknowledging something when its convenient, and disowning that thing when it is inconvenient, only to return to acknowledging it when the inconvenience is averted. positive or negative, 3d work or even living in 2d regression in 3d, that kind of behavior is totally impractical, unfruitful, pointless and self-damaging in all respects.

[Monica]

you cannot use blue ray, if you are moving with negative forms of orange/yellow. for, blue ray is not found in negative spectrum as we are told.

Really? I remember green being the ray that was missing in the polarized STS entity. Can you provide a quote?

the use of blue in negative

These statements seem to contradict each other. You just said blue ray is not found in negative, then you said it is used in negative. Can you clarify please?

in regard to information and correspondence, takes the form of lying/misrepresenting information and correspondence in accordance for the desired manipulation of the entity, and this generally takes the form of telling the entity what it desires, or fears, or whatever is going to affect it at that particular point.

Negative use of blue ray might also take the form of telling the truth, but in a cruel way.

If I walked up to a horribly disfigured person, say someone who had been severely burned or otherwise maimed, and said, "Your body is ugly and gross! You might scare children who think you're a monster!" I'd be telling the truth, but my action is STS because it's cruel, insensitive, and serves no purpose other than to hurt.

blunt honesty does not have a place in negative spectrum.

I disagree. I just provided an example.

leave aside honesty.

Are you saying STS entities cannot be honest? I strongly disagree. Honesty can be used to hurt and manipulate.

If I walk up to a hugely obese woman eating a donut and say, "You are so gross! and look at you eating that sugary, greasy donut! don't you know that is what's making you so fat!" that is STS. Why? Because the obese person didn't ask for my advice. She most likely already knows the donut is contributing to her obesity. She didn't need me to tell her that. Therefore my action was a violation of her free will, it served no constructive purpose, and it was cruel.

That obese woman might, eventually, get tired of cruel comments like that and do something about her weight. But again, there are already plenty of people ready and willing to provide those cruel comments, whether out of ignorance or malice. That is the task of STS entities.

MY task is to tell the obese woman truthfully what I think, only when/if she asks. If she says, "What can I do to lose weight?" and I say, "Well, for starters, you need to quit eating donuts." then that is perfectly fine. It was honest. But it was in response to her asking for my advice.

My mom's 'honesty' affected me deeply, to the point of completely eradicating any possibility of pursuing music. Did she do the 'right' thing?

she very probably did the right thing.

No, she didn't. What she did was mean. It was cruel. That could be the 'right thing' only if she were polarizing STS.

for, if you had any desire and passion in your soul for music, you would have pursued it anyway.

Singing isn't a science. It's an art. There are many accomplished singers who don't have 'technically perfect' voices. And anyway, a child of 10 singing for fun is too young to have her voice judged. Voices change with maturity. Furthermore, my mom wasn't qualified to judge my voice anyway.

There are multiple ways to 'pursue music.' I might not have had enough desire and passion to 'do it anyway' and become a huge star, but I certainly did have enough desire and passion to sing for fun, and explore singing. My mother had no right to take that away from me.

It was mean.

and someone would already react honestly to something you have sung in that fashion because they did not like it. if you had a passion for it, you would just go over that, and keep doing it.

What you are describing is called catalyst.

Who provides catalyst?

STS entities. That is their job. That is how they serve the Creator.

An example of what you are describing is: My dad told me I was stupid. I may have had low self-esteem regarding my singing, but I knew I wasn't stupid. I had "enough desire and passion" for knowledge that I used my dad's negative catalyst as a springboard to prove myself. So in the end, I did exactly as you described: I "went over it" and did it anyway.

How are my dad's action and my mom's action any different?

They aren't. They are exactly the same.

Neither of them could possibly know whether I had the "desire and passion" to pursue those things "anyway" despite their efforts to shoot down my dreams.

The fact that I was able to rise above my dad's negative programming, but not my mom's, doesn't make either of them 'right' in what they did. Both actions were STS.

In both of those cases, their opinions were subjective. I might have had a lovely voice and mom was simply having a bad day and didn't want to hear a child expressing herself. I happen to know now that she was very depressed and any expression of joy was sure to get her agitated. So, her opinion of my singing was worthless. All it did was hurt.

My dad was simply wrong about my intelligence. He was smart in some ways, but nearly illiterate. My mom had below average intelligence and an even lower education. So neither of them were in a position to judge my intelligence.

My mom was equally unqualified to judge my singing ability.

And even if she were an accomplished opera singer, it was still cruel of her to squash my expression of joy!

In that case, she could have truthfully said something like:

"Honey, I'm so happy to hear you are interested in singing! Would you like voice lessons when you get a little older? Here, let me teach you how to breathe deeply and get the most out of your voice."

or

"Gosh, you sure seem to be enjoying singing! I'm really tired though, so could you sing in your room or outside?"

Do you see the difference? This is the STO way of speaking truth. It focuses on the positive instead of the negative.

the life already provides endless amounts of tests to provide thresholds to entities who are pursuing anything. if a person who cannot pass over the honest expression of dissatisfaction in what you do breaks your desire, then it means you actually did not really desire that enough to pursue it.

That's irrelevant. What's relevant to an STO entity is that it isn't our job to provide negative catalyst. That is the job of STS entities. They do their job well; let them do it. There is already plenty of negative catalyst. The job of STO is to radiate love.

Squashing a child's dreams or even momentary exuberance isn't STO; it's STS. No matter how you slice it.

that is no different in spiritual matters, and actually much more important. there are endless amount of stumbling blocks that wait in every step to hold people that are not really desiring/unready to move forward, from moving forward. and these can range from the attitudes of family to negative entities.

dishonesty does not provide anything. it is desirable that the interactions should be without hurt, but it is necessary that there should be honesty to directly and accurately depict the felt emotions and thoughts as they are, instead of modifying/faking/repressing/changing them.

otherwise a lot of people just keep ending up pursuing music careers while stumbling in the way because people around them were always accommodating and never honest.

I find this amusing, knowing what I know about the music industry. For every 1 musician/singer to hit the big time, there are thousands who don't. The music industry is difficult enough as it is. We don't have to worry about people with horrible voices recording songs and imposing them on us when we turn on the radio. It might happen occasionally because that particular singer had some quirk that people liked for some reason, and it got them famous. (Like Rod Stewart with his raspy voice for example) But in those cases, obviously enough people liked the voice or he wouldn't have sold so many records.

or someone singing opera with a loud voice next to you in a small compact car because he thinks when he does that people are just enchanted.

An adult singing opera in a compact car is vastly different from a child singing outside while playing. You have given an extreme example.

It's highly unlikely that an adult would have such a skewed opinion of his own voice by that time. Someone would surely have told him what his voice sounds like, by the time he's an adult.

The dreams of children should never be squashed. Children are delicate and precious. A single cruel remark can change the course of their lives.

That child with the strange art might be the next Picasso. Or, that child might just enjoy painting for fun. Either way, both have equal value.

[3DMonkey]

He wants to be a care bear soooo bad. Can't you see the love in him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQ80ef-M5I

[yossarian]

This forum seems to think that intellectualizing = blue ray and feeling/intuiting = green ray.

We really need to get over this. Being logical isn't "blue". The intuitive and intellectual faculties are separate from the chakras. It's really pretty ridiculous how people try to say others are "working from blue" or "working from green". This is a gross oversimplification of the chakras.

Someone will come forward with some intuitive insight, unity will shoot it down with a logical argument, and then they'll have a fight about how the intuitive person is "green" and unity is "blue". The actual fight is the age-old conflict between feeling and logic, two separate ways of determining the truth. Feelings cant be logically defended, and logic can't be invalidated by feelings. Sometimes they agree sometimes they don't but it has nothing to do with anahata and vishuddha.

I think I'm gonna start a protest campaign on this forum based on "Leave Britney Alone!"

Leave the Chakras Alone! They have no part in your fight!! Thinking isn't blue ray!! Feeling isn't green ray!! They dont mean what you think they mean!