Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[3DMonkey]

zenmaster, I think there was a little confusion on who your post was responding to.

[zenmaster]

zenmaster, I think there was a little confusion on who your post was responding to.

ThatZenGuy.

[apeiron]

Now do you see the event vs an event?

I'm sorry, you're still losing me. Sure, something will most likely happen, but the way I see it, it's already happening: Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, the growth of a mass consciousness of mostly positive entities who wish for positive change (sure, that consciousness only exists through technology at this point, but it does exist, and who's to say that isn't how ALL social memory complexes get started? I've long seen the internet as Social Memory Complex training wheels).

Why hold your breath waiting for angels singing and light breaking through the clouds when you can look around you and see the shift already? Getting hung up on the semantics of a term that wasn't even used in the material, only inferred from it, is only hindering your ability to see what we already have and are able to enjoy.

PS: Whoa! Hey everybody. Did you know you can type in "Social Memory Complex" in your post and the forum un-abbreviates it into "Social Memory Complex?" Very cool, whoever implemented this.

PPS: It's still un-abbreviating it inside the quotes. Should read "Did you know you can type in "S-M-C" in your post..." but without the hyphens.

Actually, StormShadow, I think that (OWS-like movements around the globe, etc) is an excellent measure of judging how the 4d vibrations are increasing to even apex level. Then, the short-run increase in negative polarizations, then the "those who remain" for 4d positive work. I'm using parts of the same quote from previous post.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of

negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social

complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation

between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service

orientation

This negative polarization is exclusively third density. Those disappear in the short run. The current population of 7 billion people are not "those who remain":

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane

will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from

elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the

Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes,

inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will

still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably

supporting in service.

[StormShadow]

Now do you see the event vs an event?

I'm sorry, you're still losing me. Sure, something will most likely happen, but the way I see it, it's already happening: Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, the growth of a mass consciousness of mostly positive entities who wish for positive change (sure, that consciousness only exists through technology at this point, but it does exist, and who's to say that isn't how ALL social memory complexes get started? I've long seen the internet as Social Memory Complex training wheels).

Why hold your breath waiting for angels singing and light breaking through the clouds when you can look around you and see the shift already? Getting hung up on the semantics of a term that wasn't even used in the material, only inferred from it, is only hindering your ability to see what we already have and are able to enjoy.

PS: Whoa! Hey everybody. Did you know you can type in "Social Memory Complex" in your post and the forum un-abbreviates it into "Social Memory Complex?" Very cool, whoever implemented this.

PPS: It's still un-abbreviating it inside the quotes. Should read "Did you know you can type in "S-M-C" in your post..." but without the hyphens.

You've obviously not been reading my posts.

I like to skip ahead to the last page and wing it. :-)

[native]

No event is seems to be going to happen. The Ra material isn't doesn't seem to me to be about making that prediction at all. First, they clearly admit they are not good with our numbers/dates and they can't be relied on to correct themselves. Second, they warn specifically against putting attachment into a specific date or outcome.

Oh god, I opened up a can of worms Sir Robert.

[unity100]

The context of event is according to this thread of calleman's solar cycles, culminating a few days ago, as follows:

"harvest, it seems, will happen this year. in addition, it is said that those who are not incarnate at THAT time, will be included in the harvest.

that means, the harvest event will affect ALL entities in this planetary sphere, regardless of being incarnated or not, and the time for this is 2011.

all these, totally ignoring the mayan calendar information, the one which tracks the cycles of the sun, and which ends in oct 2011."

"in the light of this information, we can say that something big is going to happen this year, and that will, at least be the harvest. the major occasion for this space/time point."


Now do you see the event vs an event?

you are totally missing out the fact that, the responses Ra gave to the question asking whether the harvest would be an event that was spread out or happen at a certain date, defines harvest to be something that will fit within a year.

therefore, it is quite possible that the cycle calleman calculated, may have its place in the harvest process that fits within a year.

[apeiron]

The context of event is according to this thread of calleman's solar cycles, culminating a few days ago, as follows:

"harvest, it seems, will happen this year. in addition, it is said that those who are not incarnate at THAT time, will be included in the harvest.

that means, the harvest event will affect ALL entities in this planetary sphere, regardless of being incarnated or not, and the time for this is 2011.

all these, totally ignoring the mayan calendar information, the one which tracks the cycles of the sun, and which ends in oct 2011."

"in the light of this information, we can say that something big is going to happen this year, and that will, at least be the harvest. the major occasion for this space/time point."


Now do you see the event vs an event?

you are totally missing out the fact that, the responses Ra gave to the question asking whether the harvest would be an event that was spread out or happen at a certain date, defines harvest to be something that will fit within a year.

therefore, it is quite possible that the cycle calleman calculated, may have its place in the harvest process that fits within a year.

Spiritual correlation is very simple from the mechanisms of the spiraling towards 4d activation. CHANGE vs NO CHANGE. OWS and like movements reflect this need of change in order to progress. being stuck in 3d spirituality will simply produce more upheavals in "the outer garment" to express just an example. That the planet will eventually be totally magnetized 4d is unavoidable, and per Ra it is a "short run" type of thing. The argument then becomes yellow vs green.

[3DMonkey]

No event is seems to be going to happen. The Ra material isn't doesn't seem to me to be about making that prediction at all. First, they clearly admit they are not good with our numbers/dates and they can't be relied on to correct themselves. Second, they warn specifically against putting attachment into a specific date or outcome.

Oh god, I opened up a can of worms Sir Robert.

LOL. I thought I'd stick with it for this one diurnal period. Planned.

[native]

Thank you! I'm not sure I could handle it.

[unity100]

The context of event is according to this thread of calleman's solar cycles, culminating a few days ago, as follows:

"harvest, it seems, will happen this year. in addition, it is said that those who are not incarnate at THAT time, will be included in the harvest.

that means, the harvest event will affect ALL entities in this planetary sphere, regardless of being incarnated or not, and the time for this is 2011.

all these, totally ignoring the mayan calendar information, the one which tracks the cycles of the sun, and which ends in oct 2011."

"in the light of this information, we can say that something big is going to happen this year, and that will, at least be the harvest. the major occasion for this space/time point."


Now do you see the event vs an event?

you are totally missing out the fact that, the responses Ra gave to the question asking whether the harvest would be an event that was spread out or happen at a certain date, defines harvest to be something that will fit within a year.

therefore, it is quite possible that the cycle calleman calculated, may have its place in the harvest process that fits within a year.

Spiritual correlation is very simple from the mechanisms of the spiraling towards 4d activation. CHANGE vs NO CHANGE. OWS and like movements reflect this need of change in order to progress. being stuck in 3d spirituality will simply produce more upheavals in "the outer garment" to express just an example. That the planet will eventually be totally magnetized 4d is unavoidable, and per Ra it is a "short run" type of thing. The argument then becomes yellow vs green.

i dont think a direct analogy and reflection can be made from harvest to any kind of movement or act people take with their free will.

however, it is rather inevitable that any kind of energetic/frequency difference has an effect on people. so in that regard, such things may be pointers that there are some spiritual things changing.

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http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?opti...mival=7508

apparently spontaneous protests came up in morocco in 20 cities at the same time.

considering that morocco has been following a privatization policy in line with desires of anglo-american countries, this is not probably something that is perpetuated by muslim brotherhood that perpetuated the other 'revolutions' in other arab countries. hopefully.

[unity100]

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it seems we are going into some kind of night period.

[apeiron]

i dont think a direct analogy and reflection can be made from harvest to any kind of movement or act people take with their free will.

I did not mention harvest but 4d vibrations vs 3d.

considering that morocco has been following a privatization policy in line with desires of anglo-american countries, this is not probably something that is perpetuated by muslim brotherhood that perpetuated the other 'revolutions' in other arab countries. hopefully.

OWS is almost global now (started in europe) and now this:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/01/world/euro...?hpt=hp_t1

Which I think is very significant.

[Oceania]

i thought we were comiungout of a night period.

[native]

When he does mention that Harvest is NOW, I think he means that the work has started to prepare for the Harvest and it has started in 1936 and will end 2011 when event will come to an end.

A better understanding comes from contemplating how time functions. Space/time and time/space are not relative in their experience. What is experienced as a space/time dilation of many moments (a lifetime), is simply a fleeting moment in time/space.

When Ra said the harvest is now, they meant that the opportunity is available now during this lifetime. Meaning, the time in which the harvest occurs, is during this space/time and time/space nexus. So, the harvest does not pass us by or float away as we go about our business in this life.

The important point and the greater realization is we incarnated during the harvest period when the opportunity is available. So the opportunity to polarize yourself and harvest your self upon normal death is available now.

Read this thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3222

[native]

Furthermore, Ra's purpose was to not spoon feed us the deeper realizations directly, nor are they able to.

"We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?"

Ra's purpose was to impart the spiritual philosophy of the present moment. They have given us many concepts to work with and understand in our own time.

When you seek to have the answers given to you directly, you are opening yourself up to manipulation. If you are vulnerable to fear, your fears will play into your interpretation. If you are looking for salvation, then you will have interpreted Ra as having clearly solved all mysteries for you. Ra cannot infringe on our free will by imparting prophecy, nor are they our savior. The harvest is not prophecy, nor are they prophets.

The harvest is to be understood as a concept. "The harvest is now" and "This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest."..as in something that occurs instantly or in a short period of time (for those who interpret it that way), are two contradicting statements. There is greater understanding to be sought.

[unity100]

i thought we were comiungout of a night period.

we were in 7th day.

When he does mention that Harvest is NOW, I think he means that the work has started to prepare for the Harvest and it has started in 1936 and will end 2011 when event will come to an end.

A better understanding comes from contemplating how time functions. Space/time and time/space are not relative in their experience. What is experienced as a space/time dilation of many moments (a lifetime), is simply a fleeting moment in time/space.

When Ra said the harvest is now, they meant that the opportunity is available now during this lifetime. Meaning, the time in which the harvest occurs, is during this space/time and time/space nexus. So, the harvest does not pass us by or float away as we go about our business in this life.

The important point and the greater realization is we incarnated during the harvest period when the opportunity is available. So the opportunity to polarize yourself and harvest your self upon normal death is available now.

Read this thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3222

'is now' is an english language saying that refers the meaning of 'imminent'. another usage is 'upon us'. you cant escape into reinterpreting that sentence to invalidate a lot of other things said, ranging from giving an exact year for happening of the harvest, nor to the point of a harvestee's life being 900 years in the 2nd cycle.

if harvest was something that lasted for 900 years to wait everyone that was born, it would have to be mentioned as a time period of that span of years. it was not mentioned as such at all. it wasnt said that the gateway to intelligent infinity and harvesters would wait 3 times for 900 years each so that every incarnated entity on a random 3d world would have its 'opportunity'. 3 times 900 years makes a span of 2700 years and it is no joke to be not mentioned when asked 'is the harvest spread out'.

The harvest is to be understood as a concept.

no.

harvest was defined as an actual event that happens in a precise fashion, at the exact time a certain cosmic clock stroke the hour, not waiting for different lifespans any certain species on any given random 3d planet may have from 20 to 900 years.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#29

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#6

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

it is an event that is defined well. it may be inconvenient for anyone who is still clung to the illusion that they are living in as of this moment, and still wanting to do things, or fearing/knowing/thinking that they will not make the harvest. but, you cant 'redefine' it to be an 'opportunity' that will wait for you all your life for your convenience. and this was what you have been doing for a total of four plus half threads now.

[3DMonkey]

Unity100, I think I see you struggling with the "fake intent" because you are coming to terms with the idea that Ra didn't desire to be taken literally. It must be difficult to accept that they were speaking metaphorically if much has been invested in them being precise and literal. It is hard to imagine "faking intent" to not be faking at all, but rather demonstrative of what is being said.

[loop]

I truly don't understand why you people bother so much about the future and what will happen.

There are plenty of things happening in the now so you need to bother as much with the future. There's really no point to put so much energy in discussing and projecting and referring how and when the climax event will unfold, when there are better things to be done. Things like:
1. Clean up your own self
2. Helping the collective clean up & prepare better - family, friends, colleagues and further ...
3. Actively assist Gaia by being more loving, cautious and aware
4. Observe, follow and experience the shift process and events (which is what we all do anyway ). Increase your awareness.

I am starting to believe that everything is really dynamic and the plan for when and what to happen is constantly changing. There obviously are milestones, but the plan is being adjusted to us and we to it. I think that if there is a chance for increasing the harvestability, the shift period could span over many more years than Ra stated as possible/probable.

[apeiron]

I truly don't understand why you people bother so much about the future and what will happen.

There are plenty of things happening in the now so you need to bother as much with the future. There's really no point to put so much energy in discussing and projecting and referring how and when the climax event will unfold, when there are better things to be done. Things like:
1. Clean up your own self
2. Helping the collective clean up & prepare better - family, friends, colleagues and further ...
3. Actively assist Gaia by being more loving, cautious and aware
4. Observe, follow and experience the shift process and events (which is what we all do anyway ). Increase your awareness.

I am starting to believe that everything is really dynamic and the plan for when and what to happen is constantly changing. There obviously are milestones, but the plan is being adjusted to us and we to it. I think that if there is a chance for increasing the harvestability, the shift period could span over many more years than Ra stated as possible/probable.

I suppose is about accepting change. 4d vibrations will be (they are starting symbolized by the end of the 9th wave, OWS movements, etc. ) this will as Ra says, increase temporarily negative yellow ray vibrations in the sort run. It is accepting this change, and realizing that 4d vibrations are coming and welcoming/participating, why I think it is important to realize that 3d is not to continue as it is and a indeed drastic change ---event is coming: 4d.

Seemingly wanderers can make good use of this knowledge, since there could be vast confusion.

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And spiritually accepting this change.

[ThatZenGuy]

4D is coming and 3D is phasing out. If there is no event or inconveniences, then how are 4D beings going to occupy 4D earth?

Will 3D beings keep on birthing 3D bodies and so on until they are ready for 4D? No. Then it wouldn't be a Harvest. It would be natural Evolution of the soul like the past 100,000 years.

This is why Ra even states that those 3D beings that die will have to be reborn on another 3D planet and not Earth to continue their lessons. This means, that the population of 3D beings will not birth 3D beings anymore on Earth. This is not gradual and you can see that we are rising to the peak of a sharp bell curve in the current world of affairs.

I'm not about doom and gloom. The Law of One books have resonated with me as a positive light and pushed me to be a better person positively. I realized that it's either make the grade or flunk and repeat the same class over again. I don't want to flunk and fail and repeat. I don't want my friends, family or other people in my life to flunk either. But there is always free will and they can choose what they want to do.

What the books has brought to the table is light and hope for the Wanderers out there and the people that have affinity with it to remember the call. Remember why they are here and what the goal was on Earth. To increase the HARVEST! This means, being a vessel for love, light and compassion and be the one to spread and raise the vibrations of earth and it's inhabitants.

[3DMonkey]

Ra speaks of an evolutionary process which will create the bodies necessary for 4D incarnations.

Do you know that, ThatZenGuy?

[native]

it wasnt said that the gateway to intelligent infinity and harvesters would wait 3 times for 900 years each so that every incarnated entity on a random 3d world would have its 'opportunity'.

You're taking my statement out of context. Those incarnate now are the ones who are most harvestable among those who haven't polarized, meaning this lifetime is their last opportunity before being whisked away to another planet. That's why it was also said that entities incarnating now were aware that it is the time of the harvest. We've been over everything else you've mentioned many times.

The harvest is not a prophetic event. Ra would be in violation of free will if they were to tell others of their fate.

[ThatZenGuy]

Ra speaks of an evolutionary process which will create the bodies necessary for 4D incarnations.

Do you know that, ThatZenGuy?

I didn't, can you link me?

[Tenet Nosce]

With respect to harvest and the changes that are to take place with our bodies, I would recommend Dolores Cannon's latest book:

The Three Waves of Volunteers and the New Earth.

Dolores' work was recommended to me some years ago by multiple people, however I never heeded the advice. It would have saved me a great deal of confusion and time had I considered this alternative and enlightening source of information offered by some of my more thoughtful brothers and sisters.

I found the ideas there to be highly congruent with the Ra Material. Especially if one allows for the idea that certain possibilities/probabilities exist now that weren't available in 1981. Hence Ra never spoke of them. This is just my personal interpretation, but there is only one way to found out for yourself.

There is a pretty good preview available on Amazon.com. It doesn't have all the punchlines, but at least one fairly significant one, in my opinion.

I would ask only one favor- that my recommendation of this book is not taken as an assertion that I agree with every statement contained therein. If you would kindly offer me this small indulgence, it would allow me to feel as if I may speak more freely without concern of infringing upon free will, or for causing offense or consternation amongst the forum members.

[native]

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I didn't, can you link me?

ThatZenGuy - abridgetoofar made a nice thread will all the quotes on dual bodies here http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2544

4d energies have been present for years. So the energy is available to start the formation of 4d bodies through normal genetic reproduction. People are incarnate in what are called dual-bodies..3d/4d bodies. Gradually, the bodies become more and more 4d. So there's no instant death..life goes on normally.

Since it is 2011, the 4d sphere should be fully formed by now according to Ra. Back in 1981, Ra said that the fourth density energies were having trouble totally forming the fourth density sphere because of the hostile nature of our planet, and that it should take 30 years to form itself. That is why Don asked if the harvest was going to occur in 2011..1981 + 30 = 2011. Whether or not that means the harvest "starts" in 2011 is up for debate. It's possibly relative to when the energies first appeared some 80 years ago. But when the harvest "starts" is irrelevant, because it is not a space/time event.

In looking over this question I noticed.."It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query."

That is something more to chew on for those who still perceive the harvest as an event. Ra is alluding to the fact that there is no instant death or short period for the harvest, and that there indeed is catalyst that will be available in the progressive cycles ahead that will not go to waste.

[unity100]

it wasnt said that the gateway to intelligent infinity and harvesters would wait 3 times for 900 years each so that every incarnated entity on a random 3d world would have its 'opportunity'.

You're taking my statement out of context. Those incarnate now are the ones who are most harvestable, meaning this lifetime is their last opportunity before being whisked away to another planet. That's why it was also said that entities incarnating now were aware that it is the time of the harvest. We've been over everything else you've mentioned many times.

The harvest is not a prophetic event. Ra would be in violation of free will if they were to tell others of their fate.

its not a context issue. you are missing one important fine detail and it defines a lot of things.

- the mechanic of what we call 3d harvest is same throughout this universe. it is the same everywhere, probably only exceptions are the planets without veils. this is a planet with veil, and the harvest mechanic described for post-veil 3d harvests apply everywhere the same, not only here.

- remember that 900 years is the normal lifespan of a normal 3d planet denizen. even there are no exceptions given for different bodies - this means, even if you are in a tree body in 3d, the lifespan in that planet would be 900 years. only in planets with disharmonious spiritual environment (like ours) lifespan declines. 900 years of life is apparently based on the duration of 3d experience (75,000 years) and the optimal length of life for proper experience amount. so these are universal ratios. we were told that ratios always remain the same - so, if the planetary experience is too crammed and hard, the lifespan decreases on average - this is why the life expectancy was 35-40 in egypt.

now, returning after this informative tangent, if you combine the two information above, you will find that if the harvest was something that just waited at the behest of the entities inhabiting a planet, so that even the last entity born prior to harvest would die and have a chance for harvest, then the harvest duration for 3d planets would need to vary from 20-30 years, to a whopping 900 years. this doesnt take into account the fact that in more harmonious environments, the life expectancy of the 3d entity may be somewhat longer than 900 years.

and, a cosmic mechanism that had clocklike movements, pulling stars and their systems through densities through the movement of the galaxy in its axis of revolution (as it was defined in the material), would need to vary from 30 to 900 years.

this is not something that can be ignored or circumvented. the information above clearly relays the information that, harvest is not something that is at the behest of entities or circumstances on a planet. the clock strikes the hour, gates are open, and everyone is harvested at the final cycle.

now, about entities incarnating during harvest - that is their choice. the entity incarnates with full knowledge of the harvest, and very very probably, the exact date/time the harvest will happen, and very probably in full knowledge of whether it is going to be harvestable or not. the life experience/map for the entity, is easily and clearly visible from the vantage point of 6d, where entity plans its life experience with its higher self or social memory complex or any other helpers. so, whomever is incarnated here, does know deep down that whether s/he is going to be harvested, or not.

it doesnt change a thing. for those who know they wont be harvestable, end 3d/harvest period is a very important period due to the harvest going to happen in their lifetime - leave aside that even as a baby, the spirit is in full awareness of the spiritual environment and interactions around it through subconscious, the entity's mind/body/spirit complex's 3d manifestation will be present in the final days leading up to the harvest, and during harvest, and therefore will become more balanced and experienced for the incoming energies, raising vibrations and whatever effects these bring to his/her particular mind/body/spirit complex manifestation.

so, it doesnt matter whether a baby is born hours before harvest completion. the baby is still born with full knowledge of the events to transpire, and with whatever particular aim s/he is born with.

and, it doesnt matter whether an entity lives 30,000 years and harvest waits for it for 60,000 years - the entity will be ready and wanting to go into 4d, whenever its grand path throughout this octave provides and necessitates for it.

With respect to harvest and the changes that are to take place with our bodies, I would recommend Dolores Cannon's latest book:

Dolores' work was recommended to me some years ago by multiple people, however I never heeded the advice. It would have saved me a great deal of confusion and time had I considered this alternative and enlightening source of information offered by some of my more thoughtful brothers and sisters.

please provide some summary of important key information so we can judge the reliability before going into reading in length.

[Tenet Nosce]

please provide some summary of important key information so we can judge the reliability before going into reading in length.

Depending on one's English reading speed, the free online preview would take about 10 - 30 minutes to read. That would probably give you the best feel for what she is saying.

The majority of the book is from transcripts of 30 hypnosis sessions which began right around the same time as the transmission of the Ra Material. For a long time, Dolores did a bunch of past life regressions but she was then able to work with her clients at a much deeper level of hypnosis.

What happened was she started to contact what at first appeared to be other beings entirely, but turned out to be more like the person's Higher Self. Though she calls it the "SC".

Anyhow, in the transcripts when she gets to the level of the SC with her clients there is a clear distinction in the awareness and clarity of the speaker. It is really obvious. The client will often be wandering confused around a past life memory and then the SC swoops in.

The SC always seems to know exactly what is going on with the person's situation and how to remedy it. Often times the remedy is offered directly from the SC, and multiple people have reported spontaneous healings of psychological and physical ailments.

So there are documented 30 "different" sources which are basically saying the same thing Ra said with respect to certain points.

1. The call went out with the detonation of nuclear weapons.
2. Using nuclear weapons violates certain cosmic laws which supercede entities' free will.
3. Earth was placed under quarantine.
4. Plans were put in place to bring humanity back to unity consciousness.
5. There will be a sifting/separation/harvesting of souls.

The interesting thing is that each of these sources is very different in certain respects. Each person's SC is as unique as their own personality. Yet they are all basically saying the same thing. They are all congruent with each other on these above points, and several others.

Again, I would recommend to take the time to read the preview. Or alternatively watch her Project Camelot interview:

[ThatZenGuy]

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I didn't, can you link me?

ThatZenGuy - abridgetoofar made a nice thread will all the quotes on dual bodies here http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2544

4d energies have been present for years. So the energy is available to start the formation of 4d bodies through normal genetic reproduction. People are incarnate in what are called dual-bodies..3d/4d bodies. Gradually, the bodies become more and more 4d. So there's no instant death..life goes on normally.

Since it is 2011, the 4d sphere should be fully formed by now according to Ra. Back in 1981, Ra said that the fourth density energies were having trouble totally forming the fourth density sphere because of the hostile nature of our planet, and that it should take 30 years to form itself. That is why Don asked if the harvest was going to occur in 2011..1981 + 30 = 2011. Whether or not that means the harvest "starts" in 2011 is up for debate. It's possibly relative to when the energies first appeared some 80 years ago. But when the harvest "starts" is irrelevant, because it is not a space/time event.

In looking over this question I noticed.."It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query."

That is something more to chew on for those who still perceive the harvest as an event. Ra is alluding to the fact that there is no instant death or short period for the harvest, and that there indeed is catalyst that will be available in the progressive cycles ahead that will not go to waste.

Thanks for the insight and reminder of the 3D/4D dual bodies. I forgot about those. Again, this seems like these are from beings that have graduated from their 3D bodies of earth and are given a choice to come back into 3D earth as a dual body. This is possible because earth is also 4D in time/space. This gives them a chance to start their 4D work of STO and start their work in compassion, love and understanding.

I know we are all not going to just drop down and everyone will die. But how do you explain 7 billion people where less than 50% do not qualify to be Harvested to 4D? Where are they going to go? How long will it take them to naturally graduate to 4D? It took 25,000 years for us to get to this point and we are still less than half harvest-able. I don't think this change is going to take that long to occur. It will be in the span of the next 1-2 years. That is a huge shift and an "event" if i can call it that. So it's not gradual and it's not life as usual for the next 100-700 years. Why even talk about a Harvest at all if that was the case?

I think the event will be a change in how our bodies will become, upgrade in DNA and to be more of a light/energetic body than a chemical body. People's vibrations are changing and their consciousness are raising. This is changing at an exponential rate.

The wave of energy coming from the center of the galaxy might have something to do with it and the harvest. It's upgraded DNA a before, it might just do it again. This wave is like a hand on a clock that hits at a certain hour.

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please provide some summary of important key information so we can judge the reliability before going into reading in length.

Depending on one's English reading speed, the free online preview would take about 10 - 30 minutes to read. That would probably give you the best feel for what she is saying.

The majority of the book is from transcripts of 30 hypnosis sessions which began right around the same time as the transmission of the Ra Material. For a long time, Dolores did a bunch of past life regressions but she was then able to work with her clients at a much deeper level of hypnosis.

What happened was she started to contact what at first appeared to be other beings entirely, but turned out to be more like the person's Higher Self. Though she calls it the "SC".

Anyhow, in the transcripts when she gets to the level of the SC with her clients there is a clear distinction in the awareness and clarity of the speaker. It is really obvious. The client will often be wandering confused around a past life memory and then the SC swoops in.

The SC always seems to know exactly what is going on with the person's situation and how to remedy it. Often times the remedy is offered directly from the SC, and multiple people have reported spontaneous healings of psychological and physical ailments.

So there are documented 30 "different" sources which are basically saying the same thing Ra said with respect to certain points.

1. The call went out with the detonation of nuclear weapons.
2. Using nuclear weapons violates certain cosmic laws which supercede entities' free will.
3. Earth was placed under quarantine.
4. Plans were put in place to bring humanity back to unity consciousness.
5. There will be a sifting/separation/harvesting of souls.

The interesting thing is that each of these sources is very different in certain respects. Each person's SC is as unique as their own personality. Yet they are all basically saying the same thing. They are all congruent with each other on these above points, and several others.

Again, I would recommend to take the time to read the preview. Or alternatively watch her Project Camelot interview:

I just finished her book, The Three Waves of Volunteers it was a great read and the information matches what Ra says. Some of the souls even said there were incarnates from the federation and they abide by the Law of One. It also speaks of all these Souls incarnating at this period of time from across all dimensions and planets just to witness the events that will be unfolding and to help out by being here and spreading their love, light and vibration. Even if they only get a life that lives a couple hours and die. The speak of this event as a rare event because of what Earth is trying to do herself by raising her own level to 4th Density.

[unity100]

The majority of the book is from transcripts of 30 hypnosis sessions which began right around the same time as the transmission of the Ra Material. For a long time, Dolores did a bunch of past life regressions but she was then able to work with her clients at a much deeper level of hypnosis.

aaaah now i remember. regressive hypnosis researcher.

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<p>I was told that there were scientists at the time of Atlantis. I thought they were fooling around with crystal power, and they were, but there were others who were fooling around with what they called Dark Matter. I was told that this is the same thing scientists are doing now when they are fooling around with what we call Anti-Matter. In those days, they were trying to do the same thing, out of curiosity, to create their own universe and wormholes and things like that by experimenting. They said we have to know this, because the scientists are doing the same thing now. The Large Hadron Collider experiment in Switzerland is the same thing. They are messing around with Anti-Matter. The scientists who are now fooling around with the Collider experiment don’t have any idea what they are really doing, and it’s very highly dangerous.</p>
<p>In the days of Atlantis, this experimenting got out of hand. The Dark Matter began to collapse the grids of the Earth, so outside observers from the universe had to step in and stop it at that point.</p>

this contradicts the reason that was impliedly relayed about the cause of atlantis's destruction in Ra material though.

If those experiments had continued at that time in Atlantis, it would have broken down the grid of the planet, causing an implosion of the Earth, and it would have reverberated to the point where it would have broken the grids down of the entire Universe. But they stopped it before it got to that point, but destruction took place.

and wow. this is really, really out of hand.

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I can observe negative yellow increasing as well as green positive increasing sharply around me and my environment, from newspapers, etc. This phenomenon was mentioned by Ra previous to 4d activation and harvest time. http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#1

This increase in negative yellow hopefully won't last long. Ran mentions it will be only in the short run.