Relative Astrology and Physics

[godexpressing]

I will use this thread to share a new approach to horoscope interpretation. I call it relative astrology because I use the Theory of Relativity as a model of how things work.

For this first post, I will propose a couple of concepts to ponder.

Physicists have discovered that energy is transformed into matter by a constant equal to the speed of light squared.
Mystics teach that energy is transformed into matter by means of consciousness.

The word light is commonly used to represent consciousness. I propose that the Theory of Relativity is a simple equation that describes how consciousness creates the illusion of physical reality.

Now, let's take it a step further. Both the physicists and mystics agree that matter is transformed energy. Could it be possible that the speed of light squared is the mathematical equivalent of consciousness? Could that be the speed of thought?

It would be fun to see what Steven Hawking could do with such a hypothesis!

Since E=mc2 is the accepted model for physical reality, I believe that is the best model for horoscope interpretation. It's simply a matter of plugging the right variables into the formula. Let's take a first step:

E=mc2
energy = mass x light (physics)
energy = matter x consciousness (metaphysics)

Now it is simply a matter of knowing which horoscope symbols represent energy, matter and consciousness. That will be my next post.

light and love,
Greg

[Lavazza]

Hello Greg!

I find your mystic interpretation of Einstein's equation interesting! I'd like to see you expand on it with perhaps some thought experiments or examples.

I've always considered thought to be more on the lines of instantaneous rather than measured with speed, even if the speed is very fast. If we're all one, as the Law of One suggests, I think this would make the most sense. I.e. our apparent separation is illusory, space and time are illusory, and we are in a larger sense still apart of the creator who is willingly experiencing said illusion. (A mental image of the creator day dreaming on a cosmic sofa somewhere out there comes to mind..)

I do however, pose my take on the speed of thought from my own speculation supported by mystical material, not science per se. So I could be in the wrong to the extreme with my opinion.

Great to have you here by the way. I've followed your previous posts although not replied until now.

Love and light,
L.

[godexpressing]

Hello Greg!

I find your mystic interpretation of Einstein's equation interesting! I'd like to see you expand on it with perhaps some thought experiments or examples.

Hi Lavazza!

I too have wondered if maybe thought was instantaneous. But the speed of light squared is such a huge number (35 billion k/second) that it would appear to be instantaneous anywhere within our logos. Thought would travel one light year in less than 3 seconds! There is also the issue of space/time. The ultimate reality is that everything is the creator. Space and time are illusions created so we, sparks of the creator, can experience ourselves. But physical reality is governed by the physics of space/time, so I think it is quit possible that thought travels through space, just like light.

As for thought experiments or examples . . .

I first made the connection when I was being trained as a New Thought practitioner. I was in a class where the instructor was describing how our thoughts create our reality. It was explained the energy is neutral, like the white light of a spotlight. Consciousness serves as a transducer to change the energy into a material experience. It would be like placing a red filter over the spotlight to get a red experience on stage.

It was during this discussion that a light went off and I thought E=mc2! It was even clearer when written as m=E/c2 which would suggest that matter (mass) is energy reduced by the speed of light or energy transduced by consciousness. Material experience = energy/consciousness has been the way I have viewed physical reality for over 10 years now.

I have also viewed it as E=spirit, m=body, c2=mind. By means of our senses, our minds create the illusion that permits us to experience spiritual reality as physical or material (body).

When I first began to study astrology, I found it difficult to understand the relationship between planets, signs and houses. Most text books interpret the Sun in the first house and the Sun in Aries as having the same meaning. Then I read The Inner Sky by Steven Forrest. He teaches that each planet/house/sign combination is the basic unit for interpretation. Once I learned to see it that way, interpretation became easy. I have had further confirmation by reading the Ra material. A photon is intelligence and energy functioning as a single unit.

From an astrological point of view:
planets = consciousness
houses = material experience
signs = energy

I see each planet as a specific awareness and desire (consciousness). Consider the Sun. It represents an awareness of individual identity and a desire to express that identity.

I see each house as an area of physical manifestation. Consider the seventh house. It represents a spouse, intimate partner or sometimes a rival. With a seventh house Sun, you would desire to express your identity through your spouse/partner. Or in the case of a rivalry, you desire the identity of your rival.

I see each sign as a mode of behavior (the way energy is used). For example, Leo behavior is publically calling attention to oneself. Somebody with a seventh house Leo Sun might express themself as a couple rather than as an individual. Then again there is the drama queen ranting/raving about his/her partner or rival.

The basic point is that we humans have common desires and our behavior is driven by the need to fulfill those desires. The planets represent those desires. A planet's house is the object of that desire. A planet's sign is the behavior (ebergy) used to fulfill that desire.

light/love

Greg

[3D Sunset]

I too have wondered if maybe thought was instantaneous. But the speed of light squared is such a huge number (35 billion k/second) that it would appear to be instantaneous anywhere within our logos. Thought would travel one light year in less than 3 seconds!

Hi Greg,

I like your thoughts in this thread. The above statement got me thinking though. In reality of course, c2 would give you units of k2/sec2. At first this seemed wanting, in that one would expect thought to expend through the universe in a volume rather than this implied plane. But it also makes sense to me that perhaps thoughts are bi-dimensional (as implied by your equation) rather than omni-dimensional (as may seem intuitively). Note that this also would mean that thoughts are directional in that they are focused in a plane directed outward in two dimensions. The more I think about it, the more I find this intellectually satisfying.

I was curious if you had any feelings about this.

Please do keep expounding on your take on astrology, this is an area that I've always been much more the consumer, than the producer. So I am enjoying the opportunity to learn/teach, especially from someone with a similar background in engineering.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

Edit: It also occurred to me that the speed would be 186,000 miles2 per second per second. So in reality, it is accelerating as it spreads and becomes essentially infinitely fast very quickly (i.e., at that speed, a thought could spread throughout the known universe in a matter of seconds... that is, if the concept of seconds had any meaning outside our planetary sphere.)

[Ali Quadir]

Hmm but if thought travels at the speed of light squared does this not mean it's fixed in time?
I wouldn't agree with the idea that thought is fixed to time, time is fixed to thought if you ask me.

[godexpressing]

Hmm but if thought travels at the speed of light squared does this not mean it's fixed in time?
I wouldn't agree with the idea that thought is fixed to time, time is fixed to thought if you ask me.

I have really not formed on opinion yet. I have seen much confusion within metaphysics because reality exists outside of space/time. Even though space/time is an illusion, I believe we are governed by its laws as long as we are in human form. Maybe the thoughts of our higher selves are outside of space/time, but isn't it our collective human mind that creates our illusion on Earth?

The main connection I have made is that E=mc2 appears to be stating the same thing as the mystics. What we experience as the material world is really energy that has been changed by a factor of c2. If consciousness is truly responsible for this change (or illusion), then there must be some correlation between the working of consciousness and the speed of light squared. I have read books such as The Tao of Physics that suggest physics and metaphysics reach the same conclusions. I am not aware of any that go deeper and seek to explain metaphysics mathematically. I believe C2 would be the key, but I do not have the theoretical skills to prove it.

Anyway, I just threw out those concepts to get people thinking outside the box. In book 4 of LOO, page 9, Ra states that Tarot, Chaldean astrology and kabbalah (tree of life) are valid techniques and a seeker should chose one and study it in depth. I have chosen astrology, and I have found an "outside the box" approach that is far more effective than mainstream astrology.

The first step is to understand that the most accurate method of using the above techniques would be a method that is closely aligned with how the Universe works. Ra provides such a method for understanding tarot. I am aiming for the same thing with astrology. The foundation is recognizing that consciousness transforms energy into the illusion of material experience. Planets signify consciousness. Signs signify energy. Houses signify material experience.

My next post will discuss parallel universes.

light/love
Greg

[godexpressing]

Regarding Parallel universes:

Physicists seem to agree that there are probably other, if not an infinite number of universes parallel to our own. Still, they struggle to define the nature of these universes. Many assume they would be different versions of our own. Some even suggest that whenever we make a choice in this universe, we make the opposite choice in another.

I see the universe as conscious energy and I would compare the multiverse to radio waves. How can God be everywhere at the same time? I respond: How can my favorite radio station be everywhere at the same time? In fact, how can all the radio stations be everywhere at the same time? If they were physical objects, it would not seem possible. But radio signals are waves vibrating at different frequencies. These waves carry encoded information that our tuners convert to music or talking. I view the different radio stations as parallel universes. All occupy the same space but vibrate in different ranges of frequency.

That is how I conceive the scientific notion of parallel universes. They can be truly parallel, actually sharing the same space. The difference between them is one of bandwidth (frequency). Our bodies are like radio tuners that can pick up the bandwidth of our own universe. The others are all here, but outside the range of our tuners.

Consider that the ancients taught that earth, water, air and fire are the elements making up our world. I have come to view these four "elements" as four parallel universes that we experience simultaneously. Each is in a different bandwidth and is experienced by different means:
The earth universe is the bandwidth we experience through our senses.
The water universe is the bandwidth we experience as feelings or emotions.
The air universe is the bandwith of the mental plane (rational thought).
The fire universe is the bandwidth of insight and intuition.

Astrology is based upon 12 combinations of the four elements and three modes (cardinal, fixed, mutable). When I interpret a horoscope symbol, I always explain it in terms of the universe it occupies. For example, a water event will be an emotional experience, not a physical one.

[Ali Quadir]

Dear GodExpressing,

I think you have a great intuition regarding the shape of the universe and it's functions. I think you're really feeling what's out there. It's a shame that when you combine it with science, and don't do it perfectly accurate, people will judge your mistakes in science, and fail to see the actual message you're sharing.

Radio stations aren't really everywhere at the same time. God is... But radio stations aren't. Their transmissions travel at the speed of light. And where they've been they are no more. A radio wave is a local event. Yet your intuition that God is everywhere at once and that this is somehow important in understanding the reality of parallel universes I feel is correct.

Science is this pretend authority on truth in our world. It really isn't but because most of us believe it we try to give everything a scientific polish to make it feel more believable. I understand that desire, but don't feel it's necessary. And in this case it might actually work against you.

I feel bad for putting it this way. It's so easy to step on toes and I don't want to do that. I love the fact that you're busy with this material. I love the fact that you're evidently well informed about astrology and it's fundamentals. And I recognize that spiritually speaking you're seeing the right things. But instead of "wow", my first reaction to your messages is "tripping over the bad science" which is a shame especially because you're using it to explain concepts which don't seem bad at all.

It's like wrapping a cool Christmas gift in a newspaper.. Just show us the gift and scream tadaaa!

I won't respond to your scientifically based messages again. I'm just one guy and I don't want to stand in the way of you exploring this here. I did want to share my opinion though. I like what I saw below. It's up to you to decide what to do with this. I just wanted to offer my thoughts and responses honestly and with respect. If it helps then it'd be great, if not then I hope no harm's done...

Namaste

[irpsit]

As an astrologer and student of the Law of One, I very much appreciated your idea!

I liked the idea that a sign maybe energy, the planets consciousness and each house material experience.

• A few Esoteric astrologers have said (like Alice Bailey), that the energy first emerged from the archetype sign constelations, then was focused/ filtered in our solar system in each planet and directed towards our geometrical alignment in Earth (houses) and influencing our being through our mental, astral and physical bodies, through our chakras.
  

The earth universe is the bandwidth we experience through our senses.
The water universe is the bandwidth we experience as feelings or emotions.
The air universe is the bandwith of the mental plane (rational thought).
The fire universe is the bandwidth of insight and intuition.

Astrology is based upon 12 combinations of the four elements and three modes (cardinal, fixed, mutable). When I interpret a horoscope symbol, I always explain it in terms of the universe it occupies. For example, a water event will be an emotional experience, not a physical one.

The cardinal energy is also the seen as the "first one". For instance, when a planet is located in a cardinal house or sign, its energy is very strong and creative. When Uranus transits a cardinal sign there is much more wordly activity (such as in early 1930s, late 1960s, early 1990s, or it will, in early 2010s)
I have a few more details in www.astrotransits.blogspot.com

When Saturn transited my water houses, I had indeed mostly emotional experiences of learning, in air houses, mostly mental and sociable experiences, etc...

When I first began to study astrology, I found it difficult to understand the relationship between planets, signs and houses. Most text books interpret the Sun in the first house and the Sun in Aries as having the same meaning. Then I read The Inner Sky by Steven Forrest. He teaches that each planet/house/sign combination is the basic unit for interpretation. Once I learned to see it that way, interpretation became easy. I have had further confirmation by reading the Ra material. A photon is intelligence and energy functioning as a single unit.

This is a very interesting point. How do you see the distinction between Sun located in Aries and in first house? For me, it looks similar, but it is a different energy. Sun in Aries is just an energy, like you said, while Sun in first house is Sun expressed through a self-defining material experience, like you said. There are differences. You could say it's like comparing apples with lemons.

But I see houses as just a conceptual invention of humans. Now I will go very deep.
There is maybe a way through each zodiac energy enters the Earth, and depending on a specific hour (time of a day), it enters with each sign making a specific angle. Square angles reflect a specific pattern of energy, trines another, as above as below, as in signs as in houses. So, each house is nothing more than the pattern of zodiac is aligned down here. It's just positional geometry. Why the ascendant is self, and the descendant is others, I dont know. Maybe an illusion, a concept? Try working with defining the sixth house as the third after fourth (so its about communication and short travel away from your house - fourth house), and so on.

In addition, It's very nice for instance, when you follow the Moon along sucessive months and its daily influence, when located over each sign. The Weather responds so accurately! The energy works independently of humans and apparently even human/animal consciousness.
It's just energy affecting water (clouds, fog), insolation, wind and temperature!

I like to follow Astrology in this way!

The basic point is that we humans have common desires and our behavior is driven by the need to fulfill those desires. The planets represent those desires. A planet's house is the object of that desire. A planet's sign is the behavior (ebergy) used to fulfill that desire.

Here, I would politely disagree with you.
I see the Sun as a very important center of energies.
After all, it is the center of our Logos, Solar System.

Each planet maybe an archetype. Ra has said that each planet has in fact a kind of multidimensional collective and it's own identity. Maybe it is colored by the density, or the civilizations and beings living there.

I dont see them as desires, although they can incite desires in us. I would see them as catalysts maybe! Mars, for instance, is not war or motivation. It is a much more wide archetype, a seeker, a pusher, a confronter, a very focused beam of energy. It can of course cause war, but it can cause travel, lovemaking, adventure, sport... While Venus is calmer, more colorful, more subtle and refined. The planets do not seem a desire, but rather an archetype which brings catalyst, this is my feeling.
Furthermore, outer planets seem to have definitevely a mode of action more related to collective trends, maybe because the inner ones are more colored by the Self (closer to the Sun) and the outer ones away from it (more related to collective trends, the galaxy)

I look forward for your input!
It's a very insightful post!
And about bringing it with context with the Law of One?
Grateful, peace/light,

[godexpressing]

Dear GodExpressing,

I think you have a great intuition regarding the shape of the universe and it's functions. I think you're really feeling what's out there. It's a shame that when you combine it with science, and don't do it perfectly accurate, people will judge your mistakes in science, and fail to see the actual message you're sharing.

Ali, thanks for your input. I understand things that I find very difficult to communicate. I am looking for analogies that I hope will get my point across. If they don't work or if they confuse people, I want to know. The main reason I'm sharing this information is to get honest feedback.

I see the physical world as an illusion. The only thing that truly exists is energy and consciousness (the sum total of which I view as God). I do not think God and a radio wave are equal. I shouldn't have mentioned God. I want to use the analogy of a radio as the way we experience our Universe. Waves do not occupy space, they occupy bandwidths of frequency. All the local stations can be picked up by a single antenna anywhere within range of the transmitter. The tuner simply focuses on one of the bandwidths.

I see the physical universe as frequencies that we experience through our human tuners. I am suggesting that maybe there are universes parallel to our own that function on different bandwidths than our own. We are in the midst of them but our tuners don't pick up their frequencies.

I also find it useful to view each of the four elements as a parallel universe. Even if they are not, they at least operate on different bandwidths. You cannot perceive feelings with your ears or eyes. But unlike a radio that only perceives a single bandwidth, we experience all four simultaneously.

I explain it much clearer in the book I am writing. It's hard to explain it in a post. However, I don't want to turn people away from my ideas by using the wrong analogies.

thanks again,
Greg

[Ali Quadir]

I see the physical world as an illusion. The only thing that truly exists is energy and consciousness (the sum total of which I view as God). I do not think God and a radio wave are equal. I shouldn't have mentioned God. I want to use the analogy of a radio as the way we experience our Universe. Waves do not occupy space, they occupy bandwidths of frequency. All the local stations can be picked up by a single antenna anywhere within range of the transmitter. The tuner simply focuses on one of the bandwidths.

I agree that the process is similar. I recognize what you say here. The difficulty with analogy is that sometimes we can lose ourselves in our analogies.

I see the physical universe as frequencies that we experience through our human tuners. I am suggesting that maybe there are universes parallel to our own that function on different bandwidths than our own. We are in the midst of them but our tuners don't pick up their frequencies.

I agree with the underlying principle. However, I don't think it has much to do with frequency.

I also find it useful to view each of the four elements as a parallel universe. Even if they are not, they at least operate on different bandwidths. You cannot perceive feelings with your ears or eyes. But unlike a radio that only perceives a single bandwidth, we experience all four simultaneously.

This on the other hand might have something to do with frequency. All our senses have been shown to do fourier analysis on the raw data before interpretation.

I explain it much clearer in the book I am writing. It's hard to explain it in a post. However, I don't want to turn people away from my ideas by using the wrong analogies.

Sometimes it's better to just not use analogy at all

If you do intend to use scientific analogy in your book. I suggest you find a co-reader who is able to give you sincere criticism on the scientific basis of your work. After all once the book is published, you can no longer change it. And it'd be a shame finding out after release that you're not happy about some scientific analogy you used.

[godexpressing]

• A few Esoteric astrologers have said (like Alice Bailey), that the energy first emerged from the archetype sign constelations, then was focused/ filtered in our solar system in each planet and directed towards our geometrical alignment in Earth (houses) and influencing our being through our mental, astral and physical bodies, through our chakras.
  

I don't see the constellations having any effect on us. I see the zodiac as the seasons of the Earth. One degree Aries is the first day of Spring. I view the energies of the zodiac as coming from within our own Logos or solar system. Actually, I see the zodiac and all horoscope symbols as purely symbolic.

For example, when Saturn activites a natal planet by transit, I do not believe the actual planet plays any role other than serving as a timer. The most powerful horoscope events are progressions, and they are based upon a day for a year. They do not occur in "present" time.

I see it more like a college course schedule or a class syllabus. Certain events, lessons and tests are planned in advance and unfold throughout the school year. A horoscope works the same way. You intentionally enter the world at a specific time and place. The transits and progressions then serve as timers for your catalysts to reveal themselves.

This is a very interesting point. How do you see the distinction between Sun located in Aries and in first house? For me, it looks similar, but it is a different energy. Sun in Aries is just an energy, like you said, while Sun in first house is Sun expressed through a self-defining material experience, like you said. There are differences. You could say it's like comparing apples with lemons.

I view each combination of element and mode as a spiritual principle. Cardinal Fire is the principle of free will. This principle is expressed through Mars, the first house and Aries.

I see Mars as the awareness of your will and the desire to be in control over your own life.
I see the First House as situations where your will is challenged. This could be obstacles to overcome or even other people trying to control your life for you.
I see Aries as behavior where you try to impress your will upon others.

namaste,

Greg

[godexpressing]

I have had a bit of an epiphany during the past week or so. I was told intuitively to reverse the process I had been using and it appears to work incredibly well. For several years, I have been writing and lecturing that a planet's ruled house interferes with the planet's expression through the natal house. My insight is that a planet's focus is the house that it rules. It is the natal house that presents the difficulty.

For example, the focus of Mars will be the house with a cusp in Aries. It is this house where you wish to manifest your will. The goal is to remove any blockage that prevents you from manifesting your will. The natal house of Mars indicates the source of that blockage. The planet's sign shows the behavior required to remove the blockage.

Those of you who use astrology, please give at a try and see what you think. Feel free to send me a message. I do not wish to discuss anyone's personal chart in this forum due to matters of privacy. As I have time, I will post a couple of examples using the chart of a public figure.

light and love,

Greg

[zenonzyta01]

Hi,

I would like to thanks for sharing a such nice inormation..

[litllady]

Interesting thread here...

This may be a little off topic, but Im curious..

I am curious if anyone here takes note that the suns path of today's spring equinox does not occur in Aries anymore, but yet in Pisces. So when you talk of the sun being in a house ect....would it not be important to go by how we are observing the suns path with our real eyes, now...or do you think its still ok to follow the path as it was 2000 yrs ago for a persons horoscope>

Part of my awakening was the knowing that the sun rsoe in a different part of the circle (according to real life, present observations) where I had thought it did, according to tropical zodiacs. Sidereal was closer, but for for one of my children, the sidereal did not tell the true sign for them (if I wanted their true solar sign).

So I have bounced back and forth with this for a while now....my life was heavily influence when I found out that the sun rose in Leo on my birth, and that Saturn was getting ready to conjunct Regulus. I was bombarded with the thought that someone would die, mabey a king....and this kinda of thought wasnt really common for me. My mother ended up almost passing away from me during that month (on the summer solstice no less) and she received a NDE of 9 hours of visions of somewhere else...went unconscious for 3 days on life support...she came back though...stronger then ever!! Her experience was a huge event in her life and her entire families. The whole entire story would take over this thread....but it was amazing, and many other things about stars occurred in her vision.

I think being aware of our gems in the sky can help us be in tune with everything else.