Waking up "out of body"

[Bring4th_Austin]

Well, it could be similar. There is static with the voices. Maybe I'm just picking up a clearer signal, so to speak, so to speak (intentional). It is like a CB radio transmission. chshchsch blabiddyblabla chshchshsh

Do you have fillings in your teeth?

[3DMonkey]

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[native]

Well, it could be similar. There is static with the voices. Maybe I'm just picking up a clearer signal, so to speak, so to speak (intentional). It is like a CB radio transmission. chshchsch blabiddyblabla chshchshsh

I'll let you know if I start hearing voices o_O

[3DMonkey]

Well, it could be similar. There is static with the voices. Maybe I'm just picking up a clearer signal, so to speak, so to speak (intentional). It is like a CB radio transmission. chshchsch blabiddyblabla chshchshsh

I'll let you know if I start hearing voices o_O

I know it sounds odd. I'm not a perpetuator of such things. I am continuously aware of my thoughts, and all I can say about this is that my brain does not "sound" like that "transmission" does. It is "louder". If I were to apply a biological hypothesis, my description would be like it is a different part of my brain than where "thought" comes from. Like an abnormal electrical arch inside my head. ... Okay, here is some more info- from my perception I think it is in the area of my right half of my brain. Tracing a line from the top of my ear, straight up, stopping about two inches from the very top of my head. "right there" is where my mind perceives the sound to be. .... lol, so, for all you neurologists out there...

[native]

Hmm. Well I was going to say earlier that I hear it at the top or above my head. It does have the trait of being louder almost, as it has startled me before.

[Bring4th_Austin]

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A lot of people think they can pick up radio signals with their fillings. Maybe it's that?

[zenmaster]

It's related to the necessary encounter with the unconscious which occurs as part of psychological development. More of time/space is accessible and the first part of that tends to be the personal unconscious. This is where we get the notion of 'everyone is right', and the subjective nature of reality not being so dismissible. It's the beginning of Ken Wilber's 'left-hand quadrant' and also the start of Spiral Dynamics' green valuing meme. Initially, the personal unconscious is not accepted and recognized. With a certain amount of polarization ('green-ray', probably teens and early twenties for a wanderer), its contents do start leaking out into consciousness and where it may seem foreign and terrifying. But it's just 'you'. Same thing if you try astral projection the first time without accepting and becoming familiar with the personal unconscious (shadow) - the first thing you encounter tends to be some rather scary aspect of the self. This is the first part of initiation. At some point, there tends to be death of ego experience(s) (dark night periods) resulting in a more transpersonal viewpoint, further penetration of veil, and less attachment, followed by 'psychic' ability.

That's all understandable..especially how more of time/space would be accessible. By initiation though, are you referring to the beginnings of a more integrated world-view, or initiation in the greater sense that the material talks about, where much work has has already been done and higher levels of consciousness are to be revealed?

As far as I can tell, they are the same thing. That is, the integrated or more holistic worldview means duality is able to be recognized as such from the standpoint of 'having been there', having more conscious connection to time/space. This evolutionary process (integration) does tend to follow polarization, because mind, through its acceptance of 'what is' (microcosm and/or macrocosm) is making more 'space' for spirit. Another term for 'what is' is 'logos'.

[3DMonkey]

a couple

A lot of people think they can pick up radio signals with their fillings. Maybe it's that?

Maybe.

After posting here today, I did some research. It is not uncommon, and it does seem to be neurological. I'd lean more towards brain misfires.

Either that, or I received an implant as a child and the ETs have written me off as a "dud". ... Maybe I'll bite down on a UHF antenna tonight

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(I will seriously try it)

[Bring4th_Austin]

a couple

A lot of people think they can pick up radio signals with their fillings. Maybe it's that?

Maybe.

After posting here today, I did some research. It is not uncommon, and it does seem to be neurological. I'd lean more towards brain misfires.

Either that, or I received an implant as a child and the ETs have written me off as a "dud". ... Maybe I'll bite down on a UHF antenna tonight

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(I will seriously try it)

It's very easy to write a lot of things off as "neurological." For instance, near death experiences and out of body experiences are very commonly written of as simply neurological "misfirings" or "mismatches." It's sort of a cop out for saying "there's no good explanation, so it must just be something wrong neurologically."

And even if there were some neurological happenings behind what's going on, it's a very shallow explanation for something that is potentially much deeper.

[3DMonkey]

I hear you loud and clear.

What I can now understand is that the body(neurology) in the explanation "it's only neurologically oriented" is not the end all you ascribe it to be. There is a mind aspect, body aspect, and spiritual aspect to be accounted for in everything, IMO. My mind's awareness of it is one thing. My actually hearing it is neurological part and is the body thing. The spiritual part is what it "means" to me, or how deep I choose to probe with my awareness of it and hearing of it... this "meaning" ties you and I together on the invisible waves that are the spirit.

So, no, I don't write it off as simply a lone 'body thing' when I say "it's neurological".... and I am beginning to see that other's aren't meaning that when they say it either, perhaps they just aren't mentally aware of their own thoughts about it...

[native]

As far as I can tell, they are the same thing. That is, the integrated or more holistic worldview means duality is able to be recognized as such from the standpoint of 'having been there', having more conscious connection to time/space. This evolutionary process (integration) does tend to follow polarization, because mind, through its acceptance of 'what is' (microcosm and/or macrocosm) is making more 'space' for spirit. Another term for 'what is' is 'logos'.

I just find it peculiar that someone who is already awakened and that has come into balance would be afraid at night, unless you're saying they are able to feel the negativity, or recognize it as you say. How could an adept for instance ever overcome the feeling if they've already accepted the deeper levels of duality? I imagine it would require the acceptance that one ultimately can't be hurt.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I hear you loud and clear.

What I can now understand is that the body(neurology) in the explanation "it's only neurologically oriented" is not the end all you ascribe it to be. There is a mind aspect, body aspect, and spiritual aspect to be accounted for in everything, IMO. My mind's awareness of it is one thing. My actually hearing it is neurological part and is the body thing. The spiritual part is what it "means" to me, or how deep I choose to probe with my awareness of it and hearing of it... this "meaning" ties you and I together on the invisible waves that are the spirit.

So, no, I don't write it off as simply a lone 'body thing' when I say "it's neurological".... and I am beginning to see that other's aren't meaning that when they say it either, perhaps they just aren't mentally aware of their own thoughts about it...

I tried to find those words, you did a much better job than I did it seems. There are some strict scientists, the ones who deny even the possibility of a soul, divine mind, or anything other than a random universe, who will ascribe all of these things to "neurological misfirings." I suppose that explanation works given our current scientific system to protect the free will of those who just don't want to believe anything else. But you said what I couldn't, thank you.

Monkey, I know I'm not the first person to say this, but you've been on a roll lately. Knocking it out of the park and very often you are able to articulate something I cannot seem to. If you don't mind me asking, have you made some noticeable progress in your seeking?

[3DMonkey]

thank you. Well.... You noticed. ;-)

first and foremost, I continue seeking. ... What has happened to me recently is that I have connected some of the dots....um.... A common denominator that ties all religion and/or spiritual teachings together. It's that it finally 'clicked' in me.

[zenmaster]

As far as I can tell, they are the same thing. That is, the integrated or more holistic worldview means duality is able to be recognized as such from the standpoint of 'having been there', having more conscious connection to time/space. This evolutionary process (integration) does tend to follow polarization, because mind, through its acceptance of 'what is' (microcosm and/or macrocosm) is making more 'space' for spirit. Another term for 'what is' is 'logos'.

I just find it peculiar that someone who is already awakened and that has come into balance would be afraid at night, unless you're saying they are able to feel the negativity, or recognize it as you say. How could an adept for instance ever overcome the feeling if they've already accepted the deeper levels of duality? I imagine it would require the acceptance that one ultimately can't be hurt.

By initiation, I mean beginning to become 'responsible' for thoughts. It's like a phase of maturity. Balance requires working with opposites, and this is not achieved until long into initiation. Resolving idea-based fear, and fear of unconscious complexes leaking out at night is like a milepost for a certain degree of acceptance. You begin to learn what is 'you' and what isn't 'you'.

[native]

Ok..yes, I was confused about how you used the word initiation.

[Bring4th_Austin]

You begin to learn what is 'you' and what isn't 'you'.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "what is known in consciousness and what is hidden in the unconscious?"

[zenmaster]

You begin to learn what is 'you' and what isn't 'you'.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "what is known in consciousness and what is hidden in the unconscious?"

Sure, but working on the personal unconscious constitutes the bulk of the work in consciousness here. And here we live by and get significant catalyst from projection on the external world. Thus recognizing the distinctions of projection vs self accelerates the process. Being 'harvestable' is another way of saying one has individuated sufficiently through such work. Polarization is what the mind was able to integrate from the logos - there is an integration of or a becoming more of self (which is 'pure' and thus also a removal of distortion) in the process.

[Nyu]

Ok so this morning I had the most AMAZING out of body experience and had to share!!

I "woke up" this morning in bed and I knew I was in the astral because I had that body heaviness that I always get, but other than that everything else looked normal, I could see my bf sleeping next to me, the sun was shining in the window etc. And I was like "right, I wanna get up" so I got up and went out into the lounge room, and I had to do it carefully at first because I kept almost slipping out of the state and I didn't want to. So I opened my door and went outside and there was this LOUD vibration in my head, it hurt so bad and I was thinking that I'm not compatible with this vibration and then I just relaxed and let myself move up to the vibration and then the noise stopped and I fine. Then I knew I could manipulate my environment and I decided I wanted to see a prettier kind of setting, so at the end of my driveway it turned into a river and there were hills behind it.. so I was like "ok I want to go jump in the river", so I did and I sunk to the bottom and I was like "ok I need to swim or I'm going to drown" so I struggled a bit and finally managed to figure out how to swim and then I was swimming along the river and I could see a bridge with cars passing over it, and a line of helicopters flying past and I had the thought that if I can manifest anything then I would like to meet the higher being from my dreams I used to have and I didn't know his name but I got out of the water and there was a concrete building with a door and there were steps that I took down to a little corridor and at the end of the corridor was a large room that was set up for like someone to do a speech and there were these people and when I went into the room they stopped and turned around and looked at me and I said "oh excuse me, I dont mean to interrupt but I really admire this person and is it ok for me to sit in?" and they said it was ok and I chose a seat on the end to wait.. but then I got a negative thought into my head about some people that were there, and I felt guilty and didn't know why I would think meanly about them and then I decided I didnt want to be like that anymore, and then I was tired from the experience and was ready to wake up...

that was it, but it was so good! It's the first time I've ever been able to get up and go exploring in the astral..

[Cassandra11]

unity100 Wrote: entity in astral body would be much more apt and capable with handling paranormal or 4d phenomenon however.

Of course, in 4D one has conscious access to time/space. That which is 'emotional' which we associate with the astral body, for example, become something entirely different than our conventional, circumstantial, reactive experience.


This is very interesting.. In my experience, my fears disappeared once I got out of my body..


for two days ago (15.sep) i had sleep paralysis that developed to some kind of out of body experience. While I was sleeping in the couch the entity was starring at me (female figure). I couldn't see her face- the face was dark. She scared me a bit as she was trying to grab my hand to pull me somewhere?. I tried to move my right arm just to see if I could but i couldn't, of course. Since I had sleep paralysis several times in my life I felt kind of irritated this time- it was like I told myself "that's enough. I know its a negative entity trying to scare me but I am not scared anymore. I will get up now, ignore the entity and just grab something to eat". And I did get up, went to the kitchen and there she was standing behind me. I turned to look at her and this time I could see her body and face clearly. She grabbed my hand again. I pulled my hand slightly, looked firmly straight into her eyes and told her "I can see you" with a somehow irritated/challenging tone. It is like I was trying to tell her that this is not funny, I am not scared and I can actually see you very clearly..
I went back to my body but i was still paralyzed.. This time I managed to move my right arm but it was not my physical arm! So I started to experiment a bit. I was able to push my hand trough the couch backside and touch the wall.It felt just like I know it would. That was a bit scary. Then i decided to take a look at my hand. It was almost invisible but I could see a hand. I remember seeing the ring i normally wear too.

seconds later i got up again and grabbed something to eat.


I still do not know if it was some kind of OOB or just a dream? Have anybody seen such an entity so clearly? She looked like a normal human female

[Nyu]

Ive had lots of experiences like your one Cassandra, and sometimes they've just looked like people and other times monstrous, but once I controlled the fear those sorts of occurrences stopped and lately my experiences have become more positive and haven't had entities hanging around at all.

[Ruth]

I leave my body frequently. I go meet up with a group of people, some are friends in this illusion. We meet in a place that looks somewhat like a busy subway station - at least that's the nearest description I can give. Funny, just trying to type this I can feel myself going there and it makes it very difficult to work my fingers on the keyboard. Anyway, we're meeting up to go do "work" somewhere. We get in these tube things to travel to our destiination. Kind of like an elevator, kind of like those tubes you see at a bank where you open the little door, put your documents in it, then put it back in the holder and push the button so they are moved by vacuum to the teller. Know what I mean? Occasionally, if I'm gone a "long" time I have to go back and check on my body/vehicle to make sure it is comfortable. I've only ever told one other person about this experience, and then only because when I happened to see her the next day after one of these experiences she commented to me, "wow, did we meet up last night or what?" I was stunned to say the least, but when we compared notes, our experiences were very similar and we agreed that we'd done this together many times.
Cassandra11 - I've had a similar experience where I knew that a negative entity was trying to frighten me. It was a scary lizard figure, very dark, and he brought some other little creatures with him. It was the little ones trying to pull me away. I just looked at him and said NO!!!!! Go away! He looked very surprised, and then they all just vanished and I've never had that experience again. Good for you for sticking up for yourself. They can't harm us without our permission, which they elicit from us with fear. We need not fear, we are protected, we just have to accept the protection.
Love and light!

[zenmaster]

They can't harm us without our permission

But what's 'harm'? Depending on your definition, they can't harm you with your permission either.

[Ruth]

True, Zenmaster, I guess what I was trying to say is that we have no reason to feel fear.

[zenmaster]

True, Zenmaster, I guess what I was trying to say is that we have no reason to feel fear.

I agree, we have no necessity to fear. On the other hand, I'd also say we have no necessity to hope.

[AnthroHeart]

Zen, if I may ask how long have you been in stillness?

[zenmaster]

Zen, if I may ask how long have you been in stillness?

How long have you been in stillness?

[AnthroHeart]

I've recognized that I CAN be still and detached in the face of catalyst for probably a week now. Different levels of stillness before this, but not with the immediate feedback I get now and ability to be detached.

[zenmaster]

If you can be congruent with yourself, so you are with the universe. 'faith' is not really the word, because it implies something extra. You experience cooperation and what is essential, basically to the extent you allow. Having even a small taste of 'oneness' seems to always reveal the balance or imbalance of a situation - there is no hiding.

[Bring4th_Austin]

True, Zenmaster, I guess what I was trying to say is that we have no reason to feel fear.

I agree, we have no necessity to fear. On the other hand, I'd also say we have no necessity to hope.

Hope removes us from the present, yes? There's no need to think "everything will okay." Everything IS as it is.

Is fear/hope related to a blocked/overactive red ray? Red ray balance is something that escapes me.

[unity100]

True, Zenmaster, I guess what I was trying to say is that we have no reason to feel fear.

I agree, we have no necessity to fear. On the other hand, I'd also say we have no necessity to hope.

Hope removes us from the present, yes? There's no need to think "everything will okay." Everything IS as it is.

ok. then stop going to wc this instant. if everything as it is, just quit doing that. also, if everything is as it is at that given moment, stop right at that moment. even your breath should stop at the exact point you were inhaling/exhaling. because if you change ANYthing right from that moment in which everything 'is as it is', then it means everything was not 'okay' or 'as it is' at that given point in time.