What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[Bring4th_Steve]

There's so much information on the Internet now about 2012. It surely is going to be the next big "doomsday" target for the Armageddon enthusiasts, but at the same time, I feel like there will be an uprising of people who feel motivated to discuss how the end of this "grand cycle" will bring on personal transformation and positive change.

What are you all feeling so far as this little competition of opinion begins to lurch upon us more and more with each passing day? Are you all laughing off the "doomsdayers"? Do you have concerns about "Niburu" making a close sweep past us? What are you planning to do to personally bring your own light into this situation?

I think we'd all love to hear where each other stands on this issue! How about you?

Steve

[sos]

Okay, here goes. First of all, I,m grateful for this forum. I've been reading Law of One material since early 80's, and through reading it over and over in relative isolation - that is without having anyone else to discuss it with, I have developed a lot of fairly crystallized conclusions. The first is that 2012 is primarily a metaphysical event. There might not even be any physical manifestations of it whatsover except for a very gradual process of between 100-700 years in which humans will evolve physically and spiritually into 4th density. I just have the sense that it will be gradual. I know that at some point, non-harvested entities will stop incarnating, and this alone will yield profound effects, but how long will it take for it to be evident? Read what the Law of One material says. At the point at which earth became 3rd density, it took something like 1500 years. Does anyone really think the process would have been radically evident as to what was occurring? All of this 2012 doomsday thinking, in my most humble opinion, is nothing but a distraction. I believe that includes a tremendous volume of the current "new age" bs (sorry) about such things as indigo children, etc. I do believe what Lof1 material says about this, which is that there are dual-activated bodies in some, but would we really recognize these people? I think we need to be careful to not play into the development of a glamorous mystique of "specialness", etc. This is just another distraction that the negatives are all to eager to foster and use. Thanks again for this opportunity, and I hope I haven't severely offended anyone.

[Bring4th_Steve]

Okay, here goes. First of all, I,m grateful for this forum. I've been reading Law of One material since early 80's, and through reading it over and over in relative isolation - that is without having anyone else to discuss it with, I have developed a lot of fairly crystallized conclusions. The first is that 2012 is primarily a metaphysical event. There might not even be any physical manifestations of it whatsover except for a very gradual process of between 100-700 years in which humans will evolve physically and spiritually into 4th density. Read what the Law of One material says. At the point at which earth became 3rd density, it took something like 1500 years. Does anyone really think the process would have been radically evident as to what was occurring? All of this 2012 doomsday thinking, in my most humble opinion, is nothing but a distraction. I believe that includes a tremendous volume of the current "new age" bs (sorry) about such things as indigo children, etc. I do believe what Lof1 material says about this, which is that there are dual-activated bodies in some, but would we really recognize these people? I think we need to be careful to not play into the development of a glamorous mystique of "specialness", etc. This is just another distraction that the negatives are all to eager to foster and use. Thanks again for this opportunity, and I hope I haven't severely offended anyone.

Sos, I don't think your post was offensive at all--I personally enjoyed it, and feel the same way for the most part. My feeling is that there won't be a "light switch" event, as so many are preparing for. In other words, I feel like it will be more like the tide of an ocean coming in. Every time I think about the way that 4th density will unfold, I keep thinking about a rainbow. If you and I were to take an imaginary trip through a huge rainbow, we both recall from Ra that the colors don't "slam" into each other.

40.6 Questioner: This is a guess. Would the frequency going from second to third increase from the middle orange or average orange frequency to the middle or average yellow frequency?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is indeterminate. We shall attempt to be of aid. However, the frequency that is the basis of each density is what may be called a true color. This term is impossible to define given your system of sensibilities and scientific measurements, for color has vibratory characteristics both in space/time and in time/space. The true color is then overlaid and tinged by the rainbow of the various vibratory levels within that density and the attraction vibrations of the next true color density.

There is a gradual fading from one into the other. And as you pointed out, Sos, it took over a thousand years for a previous transition from second to third to take place, or to come back to the analogy, the trip from orange to yellow in our rainbow.

The only difference that I feel can be different with 3rd-to-4th is that when we make the choice for love, our vibration changes to the point that we begin crystallizing in that green ray, which allows us to tap into that 4D consciousness. In that way, I feel like that's where we "pierce the veil", because in meditation and in living our daily lives in love, we could perhaps begin remembering again.

In addition, there is a little bit of a complication in our 3rd density time line right now that is different from 1st-to-2nd, and 2nd-to-3rd. Don't forget that we are on that protected time lateral right now, and that as the 4th density cycle officially starts, we are supposed to reconnect with the "normal" space/time line like a railroad car merging tracks:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0414.aspx

While Q'uo states that "...there will only be a change in the core vibration of the atoms of your universe, atom by atom, cell by cell, being by being," I have read in other places that I cannot cite at the moment that there might be some physical bobbling and jostling as the lateral time line and the actual time line fields merge and find balance. So that's where I feel we may see our only physical manifestations.

But I really like the idea of it being a wave, a wave which continues to drown out the old ways of 3rd density. And in that wave comes increased catalyst to see yourself in the light of "who you are, and who you are not," so you can choose your polarization before 3rd density energy is completely gone.

Steve

[Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth]

Hey Everyone! This is Carla. I am just now getting into the new site - the gorgeous new site, kudos to webmaster Steve E xxx - due to having family here since Christmas. They are at the mall, running and visiting friends, respectively, and I have a bit of time to spend here!

I wanted to let you know that I gave a couple of talks on 2012 in August of 2007 at Mackinac island. The transcripts of those talks are in Carla's Niche (http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speec..._0810.aspx and http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speec...811_2.aspx) so if you'd like to go into detail about what I personally think, go there and have a read. Or you can go to our webcast page, http://www.bring4th.org/webcast/. It costs a bit to become able to search BBS's archives, but L/L gets a little of your cash back since you navigated from B4.

Also, in honor of Bob Reidel, who organized the Mackinac Island Gathering and invited me to speak at it, and who passed into larger life recently after a sudden and mortal brush with cancer, L/L Research will soon have a Gathering which will take up the question of how to prepare for 2012. This was the topic of a gathering Bob was trying to get together at the time of his death. We still have some openings for the Gathering, which will be held here at Camelot April 17-19, 2009. The daffodils will be glorious and the tulips just starting their bloom! Please come join us! To find out more, contact Gary at contact@llresearch. He'll get you fixed up!

Bless everyone who reads this! It's New Year's Day and we have a whole new chance at making this a year that moves the planet from tears to joy, war to peace, disintegration to unity and distance to hugs! Let's go for it!

Much L/L - xxx - wol

[Monica]

Steve: Great question! I think we're all going to have fun speculating and imagining what the transition to 4D will be like.

SOS: Your post was not offensive at all! Welcome to the forum! I'm so excited to see more people starting to participate!

Carla: So nice to hear from you! You guys did a great job on the forum! It looks great and is already beginning to feel like a sacred space.

OK, now for my take on it...

I pretty much agree with all that's been said here so far. I too think it will be a transition, but the question is: how much of a transition?

I think it's pretty obvious that the doom-and-gloom people are just trying to instill fear...such as we see in the upcoming movie entitled '2012' (the one with the wave submerging the tallest mountain peaks...uh huh...yeah I doubt that that is even physically possible, for an ocean wave to be that tall...seems to me they just came up with the most dramatic and scary image they could think of) as well as so many of the 'New Age' channelings that try to pin specific events to specific dates, predict global catastrophes, mass landings, the 'chosen' or 'elect' getting rescued/saved/beamed up (sound familiar?), and all sorts of variations...and of course those who are stockpiling weapons & food, preparing for a police state and total chaos/corruption/violence.

In all these scenarios, the theme is the same: FEAR.

I think that's a major clue, eh?

I got caught up in it for a bit, this past year, when I learned a bit too much about the inner workings of the STS powers-that-be. What helped me a great deal to recognize the fear-based source, was the words of Q'uo in a session from Feb. 2007.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0211.aspx

Around the same time, I also saw a video on 'M Theory' which was right out of Star Trek:

http://www.truveo.com/BBC-Parallel-Unive...3652225798

Hearing Q'uo speak of alternate timelines, in conjunction with a scientific explanation that made sense of such New Age ideas as those espoused in What the Bleep, helped me to take a grand leap of faith, and realize that I could choose to attune myself to the vibration of 4D, and, being a holographic being, the outer world would begin to reflect my vibration.

Right after that, it was as though I was seeing the world with new eyes...with hope instead of fear!

So, instead of focusing on economic crises, I am seeing new business ventures (such as green energy) blossoming.

Instead of stockpiling weapons, I am buying lots of sprouting seeds and marveling at the satvic energies of living food.

Instead of despairing about the violence still occurring on the planet, I am noticing, more and more, the efforts towards peace that are being pursued by many.

I think the process is in full swing. I don't think we're going to all go 'poof' on Dec. 21 2012. I think it is a mistake to wait for something to happen TO us. WE need to MAKE it happen, and we do that every time we choose forgiveness over resentment, love over fear.

As to how it will manifest, I surmise that we won't really notice anything drastic, but will wake up one morning (maybe in 2012, maybe 10 or 20 years later) with the realization, that, hey, there are no wars anywhere on the planet...crime rate has dropped to virtually zero...green energy has replaced the toxic dumping on the planet...etc. That sort of thing.

And a harmony on the planet that we can only dream about now...hope will have become reality.

Since we don't know yet whether it will be a radical, sudden shift, I think we have to keep on living our lives, with each day as if it is our last...live totally in the present, but with hope for the future. Then, if we DO go 'poof' it'll just be a big surprise! But I'd rather do that than to expect to go 'poof' and then be disappointed.

[WhiteBear]

Hi ,

During the channeling work I've done on this, we were told that you can't really prepare for what is coming. That you can only mentally prepare. Dates and effects seem to vary quite a bit, but it will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens in 2012.

WB

[Monica]

Hi ,

During the channeling work I've done on this, we were told that you can't really prepare for what is coming. That you can only mentally prepare. Dates and effects seem to vary quite a bit, but it will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens in 2012.

WB

I wonder if the 4D reality will be holographic enough that people will experience what they think they'll experience...In other words, will Christians who are expecting Jesus in the clouds actually see Jesus in the clouds?

[Bring4th_Steve]

Hi ,

During the channeling work I've done on this, we were told that you can't really prepare for what is coming. That you can only mentally prepare. Dates and effects seem to vary quite a bit, but it will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens in 2012.

WB

I wonder if the 4D reality will be holographic enough that people will experience what they think they'll experience...In other words, will Christians who are expecting Jesus in the clouds actually see Jesus in the clouds?

If you are a Seth reader (by Jane Roberts), then you may have read Seth talking about this very topic. Seth was very definitive in explaining that yes, you will experience what you believe to occur when you die. The reason (as I recall), is to allow the emotional body to adjust to death and realize, in a tangible way, that it has occurred. It is also a specific event where guides and angels are part of the scene, to help the entity safely and comfortably recognize what has happened. This is because apparently there can be doubt in what is happening, especially if the entity did not feel it was prepared to leave.

I think all of this was in "Dreams and Projections of Consciousness". Great book if you haven't been through it, yet.

Steve

[Monica]

If you are a Seth reader (by Jane Roberts), then you may have read Seth talking about this very topic. Seth was very definitive in explaining that yes, you will experience what you believe to occur when you die. The reason (as I recall), is to allow the emotional body to adjust to death and realize, in a tangible way, that it has occurred. It is also a specific event where guides and angels are part of the scene, to help the entity safely and comfortably recognize what has happened. This is because apparently there can be doubt in what is happening, especially if the entity did not feel it was prepared to leave.

I think all of this was in "Dreams and Projections of Consciousness". Great book if you haven't been through it, yet.

Steve

The only Jane Roberts book I've read is the Oversoul Seven Trilogy, but I'm familiar with the concept. (And thanks for the recommendation!)

So we know this is likely to happen upon death of the physical vehicle...but I'm wondering about the shift to 4D.

Since we know that the criteria is LOVE, and many paths can lead to the awakening of that love, the new SMC will be comprised of those who are/were Christians, Buddhists, etc., each with their own version (possibly) of some sort of 'shift' which they may refer to as 'rapture' or 'end times' or some variation thereof. So, if the shift does turn out to be an event rather than a transitional progression, I'm wondering if events will unfold to different people in seemingly different ways...Or, will the veil be lifted, so that such illusions fall away?

[WhiteBear]

Yeah and I guess part of the graduation process into 4th is to ensure that people are rid enough of fears and blockages so that they don't manifest a nightmare and get stuck in it....?

WB

[Monica]

Yeah and I guess part of the graduation process into 4th is to ensure that people are rid enough of fears and blockages so that they don't manifest a nightmare and get stuck in it....?

WB

Eh, good point! Very astute!

[Bring4th_Steve]

Yeah and I guess part of the graduation process into 4th is to ensure that people are rid enough of fears and blockages so that they don't manifest a nightmare and get stuck in it....?

WB

Do you suppose that someone who is primed for 4th density would allow themselves to be set up in a blockage of fear? I could imagine that for someone who is bound to repeat 3rd again... But if I were heading for 4th, I'd have to be prepared to take on a LOT of the unknown, and since 4th is all about living in true love and compassion, I cannot imagine heading into 4th with a mindset that is its polar opposite. Just a thought...

Steve

[WhiteBear]

Yup, I think we're saying the same thing. My comment was simply to say that the graduation process is the gate to make sure that people who aren't ready to live that way don't get put into 4th yet...

That would however depend on the meaning you put behind 'primed'

Now I wonder what happens if you're still terrified of spiders? Do you manifest that too in 4th?

WB

[Monica]

Do you suppose that someone who is primed for 4th density would allow themselves to be set up in a blockage of fear? I could imagine that for someone who is bound to repeat 3rd again... But if I were heading for 4th, I'd have to be prepared to take on a LOT of the unknown, and since 4th is all about living in true love and compassion, I cannot imagine heading into 4th with a mindset that is its polar opposite. Just a thought...

Steve

Well, I'm not sure what this says about how ready I may or may not be for 4D :exclamation: but over the last few years, I had some pretty intense catalyst, that got the best of me for awhile, to the point that I got caught up in fear and despair. It got a little iffy there for awhile! <yikes!> ...Definitely a humbling experience!

Thankfully, I came out of it. But yeah, I could see that happening to some people.

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Now I wonder what happens if you're still terrified of spiders? Do you manifest that too in 4th?

Uh oh

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There's so much information on the Internet now about 2012. It surely is going to be the next big "doomsday" target for the Armageddon enthusiasts, but at the same time, I feel like there will be an uprising of people who feel motivated to discuss how the end of this "grand cycle" will bring on personal transformation and positive change.

I just found a transcript that precisely addresses this topic.

Please see '2006.01.01 End of 3D - No Fear' in the 'Sessions' forum.

[Bring4th_Steve]

...but over the last few years, I had some pretty intense catalyst, that got the best of me for awhile, to the point that I got caught up in fear and despair. It got a little iffy there for awhile! <yikes!> ...Definitely a humbling experience!

Thankfully, I came out of it....

The perspective of catalyst is always interesting to hear about from the one experiencing it, because in many cases it is self-proclaimed as as a huge hurdle to overcome since it affects us so personally. For me, I had to get into the habit of looking at every catalyst as a prearranged "gift" for me to experience in order to know who I am, or who I am not, and make the choice of what to attract moving forward.

Also, it seems the worse the catalyst, the more I probably needed to retool my inner workings and perceptions to bring myself into balance. As you mentioned, DreamingPeace, catalyst can easily bring one into fear and despair if he/she is not attuned to it being a necessary attribute towards inner growth. I found it's only when I feel comfortable with thanking the energy-sapping, saddening catalyst that is putting a damper on my life that I somehow find ways to focus my mind on attracting what I really want for myself.

So again, catalyst is the perfect mirror to help make concrete decisions on how to live and perceive. Falling prey to the process works against self development, for sure. Since so many people tend to see the trees and not the forest, that's where I believe we as lightworkers can really help our brothers and sisters take a step back and take a comforting breath.

Steve

[Monica]

The perspective of catalyst is always interesting to hear about from the one experiencing it, because in many cases it is self-proclaimed as as a huge hurdle to overcome since it affects us so personally. For me, I had to get into the habit of looking at every catalyst as a prearranged "gift" for me to experience in order to know who I am, or who I am not, and make the choice of what to attract moving forward.

Also, it seems the worse the catalyst, the more I probably needed to retool my inner workings and perceptions to bring myself into balance. As you mentioned, DreamingPeace, catalyst can easily bring one into fear and despair if he/she is not attuned to it being a necessary attribute towards inner growth. I found it's only when I feel comfortable with thanking the energy-sapping, saddening catalyst that is putting a damper on my life that I somehow find ways to focus my mind on attracting what I really want for myself.

So again, catalyst is the perfect mirror to help make concrete decisions on how to live and perceive. Falling prey to the process works against self development, for sure. Since so many people tend to see the trees and not the forest, that's where I believe we as lightworkers can really help our brothers and sisters take a step back and take a comforting breath.

Steve

Yes! And, after having experienced it ourselves, it can helped foster compassion in others who might not have the tools or understanding that we do.

[SJD]

One of the latest Q'uo readings states that the Earth's magnetic north is almost exactly where it needs to be to welcome 4th density energies (and may very well be exactly where it needs to be in the next three years)--so it seems that the possibilty of a twenty-degree pole shift is no longer necessary.
But of course there may be some excess internal heat-related Earth-changes prior to 2012 or whenever the Harvest occurs; but these, I think, will be far less extreme than pole shift Earth-changes would be.

Since LOO sources say that it will be a hundred years or so before 4th density Earth beings start to be born, I suspect that the intervening years will be years of humanity slowly awakening, to a certain degree, to the reality of unity/oneness with a great reduction in fear and animal-nature territoriality.

...and we 3rd density beings will begin to lose the ability to procreate after 2012.

Steve D.

[Monica]

One of the latest Q'uo readings states that the Earth's magnetic north is almost exactly where it needs to be to welcome 4th density energies (and may very well be exactly where it needs to be in the next three years)--so it seems that the possibilty of a twenty-degree pole shift is no longer necessary.
But of course there may be some excess internal heat-related Earth-changes prior to 2012 or whenever the Harvest occurs; but these, I think, will be far less extreme than pole shift Earth-changes would be.

Since LOO sources say that it will be a hundred years or so before 4th density Earth beings start to be born, I suspect that the intervening years will be years of humanity slowly awakening, to a certain degree, to the reality of unity/oneness with a great reduction in fear and animal-nature territoriality.

...and we 3rd density beings will begin to lose the ability to procreate after 2012.

Steve D.

I agree about the pole shift.

About the 3D/4D entities: what I had understood from the readings is that 4D entities are already here...but they are dual-activated (both 3D and 4D). They are the transitional generation. Although, 4D reality itself is still hidden....And, the 3D entities already here have the rest of their natural lives to make their choice, but there won't be any new 3D souls incarnating here anymore. The time for that is past. I just read this a few days ago, but don't remember which session it was...I'll see if I can find it.

I had understood the "losing our ability to procreate" to mean that we can no longer give birth to 3D children...Any new children being born would be dual- or 4D- activated. I vaguely remember the reading you are referring to...in the orginial LOO sessions, right? Would you be able to direct us to it? I'm wondering if this is one of those cases in which consensual choices have modified the reality to such an extent that it's not quite as bleak as was predicted 30 years ago...back then, it was questionable as to whether we could even stay in this body during the transition. The later Q'uo sessions seem to indicate that we've averted some of the more negative possibilities/probabilities to a great degree.

[Jolyon]

Hi All,

Great topic! And great job on the website, Steven!

I have been mulling this one over for a few years now, and have an idea of what will 'happen' around about 2012.

For the most part it is along the lines of the first few posts; major metaphysical changes with varying amount of reflection in the physical world.

From all the material I have read or viewed, old and new - Ra, Seth, McKenna, Jenkins, Arguelles, Drunvalo, Lungold, Tsarion, Braden, Will Henry, Jay Weidner - the list goes on, but I'll stop there. If you mash all of what has been said together, pretty much the 'jury is out'! You can pick and choose from any number of projections or beliefs and get what you want utter doom or complete salvation. It's a thoroughly mixed bag. So What's Going To Happen?

I think the Key, which has been mentioned, is the individual perspective, driven home by people like Gregg Braden and the makers of What the Bleep, and I believe this is the only thing that will 'materialize' so-to-speak, for each and everyone of us. If we cling to apocalyptic christian, muslim or societal beliefs, then that is what that collective consciousness will get. If ours is a higher mode of realization, enlightenment and transformation, than that is what those thinkers and believers will get. The only explanation for this type of outcome is our current human understanding of quantum theory, mechanics and the nature of consciousness, of which something new is being discovered daily. If any 'major' unified change or shift is coming on about 2012, I would have to say it would be the ultimate understanding of earth-human consciousness in relationship to the universe or at the very least the galactic logos. There is a scripture from one of the latter prophets of the christian old testament that reinforces this (to me) which goes something like "In that day (of judgement) ALL people will know that I am the Lord, then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them." To me, this implies some ultimate conscious awareness just before the shift of the material plane.

Something Blue/Raphiem turned me on to a couple of years ago was the idea of multiple dimensions of earth being realized at this time of the 'ascension' harvest on about 2012. This coincided with my understanding of Terence McKenna's work and theory surrounding the 'Time Wave Zero'. If time and space truly are going to intersect round about 2012 (mayan interpretation), then the period up until that very point will be like surfing the edge of an event horizon of a black hole, where local time will seem the same but time all elsewhere will speed up to infinity (the point where you intersect with space time.) meaning that local time will actually slow down to infinity...

If we are to believe that our individual consciousness, or synchronous collective consciousnesses ( so-called 'like-minds') are going to take this seemingly linear trip along the event horizon into the black hole of space/time intersection on about late 2012, then at that point the consciousness or collective consciousness, as the case may be, will have the ultimate (timeless) options for steering, speeding up or slowing down - ultimately piloting the 'ship' which would be the manifestations of our consciousness: everything from just our 'physical' body to our immediate surroundings: house, car, land or even the planet and solar system. This seems to imply that a true shift in 'reality' for the pilots in question, or a split of universes at that point of convergence on about 2012.

For me personally, based on all this information and my leaning toward numbers or numerology being the only cognitive way humans can translate the multi-dimensional universe, I feel that the Earth will split into three (3) primary phases or universes around about 2012 and each of those three splits will effectively get an infinite number of sub-splits, some of which spanning with another primary split, but for the purpose of this discussion that idea is just quantum mumbo jumbo, so I will stick with my vision of the three primary phases of the earth split at 2012 for now.

The First Phase of earth will be destruction of all 2nd and 3rd density life through some cataclysm or other, most likely massive solar flare with Earth responding violently. This is essentially what Ra foretold in 1981.

Phase Two will be status quo, with a leaning towards enlightenment - this will be a fundamental continuation of how things have been (I feel) essentially improving over the years, until all 3rd density life fades off to other planets and 4th density takes over (per recent Q'uo channels) to ultimately transfer into the complete New Earth, which is:

Phase Three, the New Earth, 4th density, which is already populated with 4th density individuals and co-habitors of 3rd density. At this point, it is a sort of dream-land for most inhabitants - they are awaiting final awaking to the cosmic consciousness, just like those of us who feel we are wanderers are awaiting (sometimes with impatience) the rest of humanity to Wake Up, so we can enter the Earth into the Galactic community.

All three of these earth shifts will actually be happening and perceptible from each phase (excluding the first, with perhaps brief observations before lights out), and this shift has actually already started at least since 1999, but some say as early as the 1950's or perhaps 1750's. In the quantum/G-d universe All Time Is Now, so this has been happening, literally forever! But for our human purposes, let's just say it's been happening for the last 100 years or so (transition from 3rd to 4th density Earth)

As an example, I think of the Halifax Explosion of 1917 when a munitions ship collided with another boat in Halifax Harbor, Nova Scotia and exploded resulting in about 2000 instant deaths, both on the boats and on both shores of the harbor. The part I find most interesting about that event is the Mi'kmaq tribe of native americans that had been sequestered on the Dartmouth side of the harbor were completely obliterated by the blast, no remains whatsoever of their people or their encampment - incinerated, atomized, gone.

In context, I am sure the natives were not terribly happy with the recent invasion and having to deal with their new white overlords or being sequestered to such a small area after having had command of that land for centuries. But I am also sure they were aware that the white man's coming signaled the end of their native 'fourth world' and the coming transition to the fifth world, either through visions of their own elders or transmission of the Hopi prophecy which was widely spread across the north americas by that time. Imagine being a member of this tribe on that day - seeing a flash of light and then... transition into a brilliant new world where the travesties of the white man nowhere to be found. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion

In the Phase Two Earth (3rd density persistent) this event in Halifax was seen as a catastrophic, Armageddon-type event given the explosion and annihilation of a people. In the First Phase Earth that is exactly what happened. But oh, what a wonderful thing when viewed from the recently established 4th density earth! Finally these ones who had been waiting to come over have arrived, cleansed by fire, released of the bondage of their 3rd density bodies, but without any pain or suffering - in the twinkling of an eye, quite literally. That was their revealing, their apocalypse ( greek literal translation of apocalypse: remove leather covering ) They had been transformed by Light.

Is that not what everyone from Jesus to Ra have spoken of the time of ultimate ascension? A transformation, a shimmering transition between worlds where thought remains coherent but all around us all external is changed, realigned to something more 'right' than ever before, conforming to our very thoughts.

I think we have that opportunity before all of us, and it all hinges on our perception, how we choose to accept our surrounding 'reality', work with it, mutate it, change it to something more right than we have ever experienced. I truly believe 2012 will serve that purpose for many of us, who share that conscious dream of ultimate change. However, I think most of humanity will need to adjust and repeat experiences elsewhere.

I hope this doesn't fly in the face of anything else that was said here - I feel that it fits in well with everything I have read in this thread, just in my own words, from my own perspective. Comments welcome, of course!

Love and Light,

~†~ aw

[3D Sunset]

I am content for the answer to this to remain shrouded in mystery. My personal opinion as to what will happen is fairly well aligned with Carla's and a literal reading of the Law of One (i.e., gradual evolution of bodies into their new 4D form, from the dual activated 3D / 4D humans increasingly populating the Earth). I think this evolution will take place over a period of a few hundred years, or roughly in a generation and a half (bear in mind that per Ra, our natural lifespan, in a less distorted world is about 900 years).

Regardless of what I think though, whatever will happen, will happen at whatever is the right time for it to happen. I say this simply to point out, that we are here for a greater purpose than just to witness the Earth's transition into 4D. First and foremost, we are here to achieve our personal goals for this lifetime which include learning, teaching and acting as light bearers and beacons for the coming shift, whenerver and however it may happen.

As to what will happen to me personally, I will continue ensuring that the first words my wife and children hear every morning when they awake and the last words they hear every night when they sleep is me saying "I love you". I will continue to live my life freely and openly and lovingly to my fellow humans and our planet until I pass away from this existance and have my opportunity to walk the stairs of light and then learn my next stop in this adventure of spiritual evolution.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

[SJD]

One of the latest Q'uo readings states that the Earth's magnetic north is almost exactly where it needs to be to welcome 4th density energies (and may very well be exactly where it needs to be in the next three years)--so it seems that the possibilty of a twenty-degree pole shift is no longer necessary.
But of course there may be some excess internal heat-related Earth-changes prior to 2012 or whenever the Harvest occurs; but these, I think, will be far less extreme than pole shift Earth-changes would be.

Since LOO sources say that it will be a hundred years or so before 4th density Earth beings start to be born, I suspect that the intervening years will be years of humanity slowly awakening, to a certain degree, to the reality of unity/oneness with a great reduction in fear and animal-nature territoriality.

...and we 3rd density beings will begin to lose the ability to procreate after 2012.

Steve D.

I agree about the pole shift.

About the 3D/4D entities: what I had understood from the readings is that 4D entities are already here...but they are dual-activated (both 3D and 4D). They are the transitional generation. Although, 4D reality itself is still hidden....And, the 3D entities already here have the rest of their natural lives to make their choice, but there won't be any new 3D souls incarnating here anymore. The time for that is past. I just read this a few days ago, but don't remember which session it was...I'll see if I can find it.

I had understood the "losing our ability to procreate" to mean that we can no longer give birth to 3D children...Any new children being born would be dual- or 4D- activated. I vaguely remember the reading you are referring to...in the orginial LOO sessions, right? Would you be able to direct us to it? I'm wondering if this is one of those cases in which consensual choices have modified the reality to such an extent that it's not quite as bleak as was predicted 30 years ago...back then, it was questionable as to whether we could even stay in this body during the transition. The later Q'uo sessions seem to indicate that we've averted some of the more negative possibilities/probabilities to a great degree.

Greetings.

You bring up good points.

I recall Ra's statement that only a full fourth density being can survive full fourth density conditions (in approx. 100 years, born of dual-activated parents--tricky timing).

I cannot remember if it was Ra or other transcript Confederation sources who discussed humankind's upcoming growing inability to give birth to third density individuals. I don't know if difficulty birthing dual-bodies was mentioned. Finding the quotes is difficult without remembering exact phrases used--but I'll work on it when I have more time.

Steve D.

[Bring4th_Steve]

Yes, there's been a couple of discussions about 4D and how this will affect 3D bodies, dual-activated bodies, and full 4D bodies. I will have to look as well. I don't recall that it's Ra, I believe Q'uo has mentioned something. I'll look a little on this topic as well.

Steve

[Monica]

Yes, there's been a couple of discussions about 4D and how this will affect 3D bodies, dual-activated bodies, and full 4D bodies. I will have to look as well. I don't recall that it's Ra, I believe Q'uo has mentioned something. I'll look a little on this topic as well.

Steve

This is speculation, but it sort of makes sense that the 3D entities won't be able to procreate 3D babies...and this correlates to rampant difficulties conceiving...although obviously plenty of people are still conceiving! But maybe in the next few years we might see a drastic lessening of procreation...or, otoh, maybe we won't notice anything at all...plenty of babies will still be born, but they will be dual-activated.

[Bring4th_Steve]

This is speculation, but it sort of makes sense that the 3D entities won't be able to procreate 3D babies...and this correlates to rampant difficulties conceiving...although obviously plenty of people are still conceiving! But maybe in the next few years we might see a drastic lessening of procreation...or, otoh, maybe we won't notice anything at all...plenty of babies will still be born, but they will be dual-activated.

It has got to be the latter... I just can't imagine that humanity on the whole would suddenly go through a universal problem of conceiving. It doesn't feel natural to think that. I resonate much more with the concept that the entities born continue to be born with dual activation, increasing moreso until the last of the 3D folks are gone, and thus there can be no more dual activation, the kids would simply be completely 4th.

Doesn't that seem to feel more right? I dunno...

[Richard]

I've always thought of 2012 as more a beginning than an end. The beginning of an age more so than the end of an age. There are so many channelers out there predicting a violent end to humanity, an apocalypse...3/4 of humanity to die in order for the shift to occur. I do not give power to those negative scenarios. Perhaps in your universe, but not in mine.

My vision of the world to come encompasses a gradual shift in mindset and worldview spanning centuries with the beginning of that age starting in 2012. With disclosure of the existance of UFO's by the entities themselves regardless of the wishes of the powers that be. And the eventual cleansing of the earth by its denizens.

I have no idea how this fits within the LOO view. But I've not read anything, to me anyway, in the words of Q'uo that actually denies that possibility. If indeed we are capable of creating our world, why could we not each envision any possible future.

Richard

[Monica]

I've always thought of 2012 as more a beginning than an end. The beginning of an age more so than the end of an age. There are so many channelers out there predicting a violent end to humanity, an apocalypse...3/4 of humanity to die in order for the shift to occur. I do not give power to those negative scenarios. Perhaps in your universe, but not in mine.

My vision of the world to come encompasses a gradual shift in mindset and worldview spanning centuries with the beginning of that age starting in 2012. With disclosure of the existance of UFO's by the entities themselves regardless of the wishes of the powers that be. And the eventual cleansing of the earth by its denizens.

I have no idea how this fits within the LOO view. But I've not read anything, to me anyway, in the words of Q'uo that actually denies that possibility. If indeed we are capable of creating our world, why could we not each envision any possible future.

Richard

You've brought up a very important point, Richard! With the concept of 'creating your own reality' ie alternate timelines, and choosing which timeline you want to be on, ala What the Bleep, this really begs the question: Will we all be existing in the same reality? Or might some of us create a smooth transition, while others attune to a dark, violent transition?

Interesting to ponder...

[Leann]

In my humble opinion, the 12/21/2012 date of the precession explains some of the physical changes taking place now as we approach this galactic alignment. It is the physical part driving this metaphysical part we call the harvest. Our collective conscience also fuels the depth of change by our adding to the heat in Mother Earth as she herself realigns in the universe. I feel in order to fully understand the metaphysical which we are all here to do, we must also educate our minds to the physical understandings also. I've added a few links to my blog if anyone is interested.

[Quantum]

There seems to be such a plethora and scope of information coming forth in the last several years on the entire subject of 2012 that it almost seems astounding, particularly for those of us that began reading the "Ra Material" in the early days of publication when it was still named "An Ancient Astronaut Speaks" . It must be remembered that so little information on 2012 even existed just a few short years ago , much less was in mainstream as is witnessed today, that it seems undeniable that something may be up.

Talk about mainstream, note that the producer of the 2012 movie - (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/) that "Dreaming of Peace" referenced in their post is Roland Emmerich (Independence Day, Day After Tomorrow, The Patriot, etc etc etc ) and that it is a Sony distribution. Note also the cast, including John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Danny Glover, Thandie Newton, Oliver Platt, Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Woody Harrelson. Surely this speaks a mouth-full as regards mainstream and the 2012 phenomena. But note particularly however that at the end of the Sony Movie Trailer that the viewer is openly invited to Google 2012 as well. Now that's mainstream to be sure, and as assuredly will create a buzz as well as education.

My simple point is that the information is getting out, irrespective of any movie, or its merits. One needn't any longer be a Seeker or Student exclusively of the esoteric and metaphysical when its "in your face" via Madison Avenue, Hollywood Big Guns, Movie Stars, and entertainment generally such that even the general public would have to be brain dead to miss it.

Here is another reference to the 2012 phenomena I might recommend for nothing else than the last 20 minutes entitled "The Esoteric Agenda"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...1249&hl=en
(or for the full 2 hours - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...7963555139).
Although it may seem largely doom and gloom initially (the 2 hour version), it "may" nonetheless be somewhat educational in as much as it "may" tie current political/economic events to the 2012 appearance of these inconveniences, as much as any earth change we also speak to with what seems to be greater ease(?) Now, why that is might be fodder for a humorous conversation at a later time on another site for any academic mind as to why one might be considered a doomsayer vs a conspirialitorist vs simply a head in the sand metaphizzler for refusing to consider that changes must manifest as changes vs refusing to not consider these differences at all. We may speak to it as long as we do not s-p-e-a-k- to it. But therein lies the problem. The minute we do speak to it is the same minute we become swept away with it and digress. A-h-h- we are a complicated lot. But I digress. Back to the video: I was not aware for example of the fact that we "may" only be utilizing some 20 of our current 64 possible codes in our DNA structure, made up amino acids in our chromosomes, and that they may be activated at some later time, ie. 2012, as a result of the earth which historically only vibrated at some 7 hertz, to then 9 hertz in 1986-87 (sound familiar to the Ra Material?) and is expected to jump to 12 hertz by 2012. Fascinating if all true.

[Monica]

My simple point is that the information is getting out, irrespective of any movie, or its merits. One needn't any longer be a Seeker or Student exclusively of the esoteric and metaphysical when its "in your face" via Madison Avenue, Hollywood Big Guns, Movie Stars, and entertainment generally such that even the general public would have to be brain dead to miss it.

Here is another reference to the 2012 phenomena I might recommend for nothing else than the last 20 minutes entitled "The Esoteric Agenda"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...1249&hl=en
(or for the full 2 hours - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...7963555139).
Although it may seem largely doom and gloom initially (the 2 hour version), it "may" nonetheless be somewhat educational in as much as it "may" tie current political/economic events to the 2012 appearance of these inconveniences, as much as any earth change we also speak to with what seems to be greater ease(?) Now, why that is might be fodder for a humorous conversation at a later time on another site for any academic mind as to why one might be considered a doomsayer vs a conspirialitorist vs simply a head in the sand metaphizzler for refusing to consider that changes must manifest as changes vs refusing to not consider these differences at all. We may speak to it as long as we do not s-p-e-a-k- to it. But therein lies the problem. The minute we do speak to it is the same minute we become swept away with it and digress. A-h-h- we are a complicated lot. But I digress. Back to the video: I was not aware for example of the fact that we "may" only be utilizing some 20 of our current 64 possible codes in our DNA structure, made up amino acids in our chromosomes, and that they may be activated at some later time, ie. 2012, as a result of the earth which historically only vibrated at some 7 hertz, to then 9 hertz in 1986-87 (sound familiar to the Ra Material?) and is expected to jump to 12 hertz by 2012. Fascinating if all true.

Hey, friend, I'm so glad you made it! Good to see you!

Yes, indeed, 2012 is in the mainstream...and anytime anything gets into the mainstream, it's sort of a doulbe-edged sword...definitely a 'good' thing in the sense that, apparently, enough people have awakened to the reality so that it's hit the consensual reality...while, at the same time, more susceptible to the usual distortions.

As more 'doom-and-gloom' movies and whatnot hit the mainstream, they will provide a convenient way out for those who would choose to ignore what's really happening, in favor of having a gleeful, gloating laugh on the morning of Dec. 22...or, worse, a mechanism for fear for those who choose that.

And yet, there will be those who will be intrigued, and will see thru the glam and the glitter, and look more deeply, and search...and find.

I'll check out your sites. Very fascinating that science is beginning to acknowledge some shifting of not only the Earth, but our bodies as well.

[Quantum]

Hey, friend, I'm so glad you made it! Good to see you!

.....As more 'doom-and-gloom' movies and whatnot hit the mainstream, they will provide a convenient way out for those who would choose to ignore what's really happening, in favor of having a gleeful, gloating laugh on the morning of Dec. 22...or, worse, a mechanism for fear for those who choose that. And yet, there will be those who will be intrigued, and will see thru the glam and the glitter, and look more deeply, and search...and find.
I'll check out your sites. Very fascinating that science is beginning to acknowledge some shifting of not only the Earth, but our bodies as well.
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Thank you for recognizing me, and thank you more for prodding me several times to join. I already like very much what I see and have read. Congratulations to Carla et al and everyone responsible for the ever furthering work of this site. It has been long awaited. I've been extremely hesitant to join another forum since my last experience on another site claiming to be a home for "the academic pursuit and treatment of the Ra Material as an Esoteric School", only to learn it was one that required absolute lock and step conformity to it's administrator's opinion, which more than several times conflicted with the Ra quotes. I have no doubt this site will be as enjoyable as has been the L/L site itself and all that it has offered for the advancement of growth.

As to my earlier post, I do wonder about the "science" I quoted, and as such placed "MAY" in quotes several times throughout my thread. If the information proves true through further validation, then indeed the science is without question more than fascinating. It would serve as ever more increasing fodder for proof of what may indeed be shaping up. For those interested in the science as relates to my earlier reference of the video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...1249&hl=en , I wonder if this might be a topic we as a group might explore in finding true scientific references to, i.e. (1) the 20 current activated amino codes vs the full 64 contained in our chromosomes, (2) the hertz frequencies of the earth and our bodies having escalated from 7 hertz historically to 9 hertz in 1986 to what might be 12-13 hertz in 2012, verses what might be termed psuedo-science? Is it real?