More Elenin

[Richard]

More likely it is closer to this...

http://www.universetoday.com/87619/worri...-musgrave/

Richard

[loop]

i'm not looking for an elephant below the fly, but the comet fades out currently and that's all they know now. They say it's disintegrating, but due to the growing moon it's not really possible for them to really see if it brakes apart or not.

this capacitor theory cannot be dismissed yet. Guess we'll have to patiently wait for the next miletones -
1) Sept 11th - perihelion, when it's possible to see a light blast
2) Sept 25/26/27 the line-up with Sun & Earth, which is rather strangely presented on the 1979 edition of 10 CHF bill as a planetary configuration. And that's spooky!

[Monica]

Very intriguing, by Richard Hoagland:

Richard C. Hoagland On Coast To Coast AM Comet : Comet Elenin August 29, 2011

According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility – suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship. Hoagland claims that reports that Elenin has disintegrated are part of a disinformation campaign to distract the public away from Elenin’s artificial nature, and the world changing message it has for humanity. The latest satellite images of Elenin showing its uninterrupted passage from the CME, no breaking apart, and clearly displaying some kind of triangular energy shield appear to support Hoagland’s claims.

from http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/ind...shield997/

(Richard Hoagland states) "Here is the latest Enterprise Elenin imaging — produced from an original NASA STEREO-B satellite video, the latter recorded during Elenin’s recent encounter with a solar CME (coronal mass ejection), August 19th. The new image-composite (made from THREE “40-second HI-1 camera frames”) reveals several additional, startling details about Elenin’s now strikingly “tetrahedral shield” (which we discovered only last week) — that is apparently protecting “Elenin the spacecraft” (deep inside this shield) from excess solar radiation…. The full dimensions of this extraordinary “geometric force structure” now measures more than ~300,000 miles along each edge — more than 1.5 times the distance of Earth from the Moon! Needless to say, there is NO QUESTION now regarding the artificial nature of this object/structure…"

But listen to the Coast to Coast interview for the details.

[loop]

In my search of information in the recent weeks, I found this: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread746894/pg1, which is referencing a couple of threads/posts made by a guy who claims that he is visiting Elenin. As claimed, the guy is working for the us navy space program. He says that the comet is not a spaceship, but has something huge installed on it. According to him, this thing is of extra terrestrial origin. I don't to project any theories on this, but it could be related nonetheless.


and BTW, the guy claims it took them 20 minutes to reach the commet, which fits - they can trave with speed close to the speed of light, as Ra told us.

I truly don't know what to believe about elenin anymore, but the fact that the Sept 26 planetary configuration is printed on the 10CHF banknote (above) and that overlaps with the comet's passage schedule and with the mayan's fractal time calendar makes me think that these is not a coincidental date/period.

EDIT: I found the exact post and it is at: http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.p...ic=356.100

C Asteroid Elenin was occupied from my calculation 540 days ago. (Solar Earth time)
Whoever did that mission completed and installed a 90 square mile diameter of a Hydrogen Plasma Proton Pulsar Antenna Array with an ingenious design. I Can only assume that the Blueprint for this design and technology was from Extra-terrestrial advisors. The result being a guided and controllable asteroid with reverse magnetic features .

and here is one interesting piece of info on page 31 on the same forum:

NASA will host a media teleconference at 1 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, Sept. 7


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1039/747/...rence.html

[BrownEye]

http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=2192

these images looked strangely like a Microsoft PowerPoint work file that StarViewerTeam created in 2009 depicting what NASA was calling G1.9

And if you look very carefully at the images … you will notice that StarViewerTeam high-lighted the 6th planet, and followed it month by month … they firmly believe it is “Nibiru” … the Planet of the Crossing!

[Monica]

I did the Google Sky thing and oh WOW it's TRUE! Not only do they have the lower quadrant of Virgo blacked out, but, more importantly, why did they NOT cover up the entire thing? Whatever that 'thing' is???

http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=2192

This is really confusing. What really gets me is the aliens on the Swiss francs. What's up with that??

Google Sky blocking out a section of space, dire predictions of something BIG happening...Richard Hoagland saying it's artificial (a ship), evidence of cover-up, NASA giving the wrong coordinates...etc. The more I dig, the deeper the rabbit hole gets!

IF there is some truth to it, then it could support the 'sudden' theory as well as the theory that we're ALREADY in 2012, due to calendar changes etc.

[zenmaster]

This is really confusing. What really gets me is the aliens on the Swiss francs. What's up with that??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti

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Richard Hoagland saying it's artificial (a ship), evidence of cover-up,

You do realize Hoagland has postulated many, many NASA images as being evidence of artificial construction. The earth's moon, rocks on the moon, Martian moon Phobos, Martian 'walled cities', Martian 'face', Saturn's moon Iapetus. That's 'what he does'.

On the other way around, Hoagland has suggested that a picture of Mars lander insulation foam was in fact, a lifeform.

[Monica]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh WOW! Thanks, zenmaster!!! So many people are freaking out, thinking they're aliens!!!

One mystery solved. Would you like to try making sense of the google sky images next?

Watch the video in post #2, starting at 21:30 all the way to the end of the google sky stuff.

The correlations between earthquakes and Elenin have been effectively debunked in my mind, by this presentation:

Comet Elenin Pole Shift Debunked

and by Richard Hoagland's Coast to Coast interview.

However, both of those presuppose it really is "just a comet" of only 4 km.

BUT, what about the large object (brown dwarf?) that is supposedly behind it, that is larger than Jupiter, with smaller 'planets' orbiting it? The google sky blackout is only a partial blackout - you can clearly see something...meaning they WANTED us to be able to see it, or they would have blacked it all out!

Anyone want to address this?

http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=2192

[zenmaster]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh WOW! Thanks, zenmaster!!! So many people are freaking out, thinking they're aliens!!!

Took 2 minutes see where the artwork on the 100 Swiss frac (in print since 1998) originated.

[Monica]

Took 2 minutes see where the artwork on the 100 Swiss frac (in print since 1998) originated.

Haha, good work. Since you're on a roll, please see what I added to my previous post.

[zenmaster]

BUT, what about the large object (brown dwarf?) that is supposedly behind it, that is larger than Jupiter, with smaller 'planets' orbiting it? The google sky blackout is only a partial blackout - you can clearly see something...meaning they WANTED us to be able to see it, or they would have blacked it all out!

First question would be what is the source(s) of google sky images in question? How are these images 'stitched' together? How old are the images? What is the reason and method of data 'blackout'? When were the blackouts done? Are there other image areas, that may not be of interest, blacked out? When were those areas black out? What method was used?

Are there other image sources that show something there during the same time period?

[Monica]

First question would be what is the source(s) of google sky images in question? How are these images 'stitched' together? How old are the images? What is the reason and method of data 'blackout'? When were the blackouts done? Are there other image areas, that may not be of interest, blacked out? When were those areas black out? What method was used?

Are there other image sources that show something there during the same time period?

I went to http://www.google.com/sky/ and did it myself, just yesterday. Do a search for Leo and then click on infrared, then move to the upper right corner and scroll over a bit, and you will see it. Then search for Virgo and do the same thing, in the lower left corner. Has to be on infrared.

Then I moved around a lot and found another, larger blackout - a large black section, but I forgot now where it was. I'm much more interested in the images that are partially blocked, because they obviously didn't black out the whole thing. The blackout itself might have a logical explanation, but what about the large object and it's smaller objects, and the object with the line going thru it? They stand out and are unmistakable.

I don't know the answers to your other questions. I just started researching this yesterday.

[zenmaster]

The thing is, it's essential to know what you are looking at first in that set of data. Those answers are probably not going to come from the display tool itself. It could take some time to understand the methods used by the IRAS hardware and software (and the researchers themselves) to image and process the areas. Also what subsequent transforms may have been done on the data and why. In other words, before reasonable deduction there has to be a lot of induction. That inductive step provides the experience necessary for the type of discernment needed to interpret the images and to justify any conclusions.

[Raman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Giacometti

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh WOW! Thanks, zenmaster!!! So many people are freaking out, thinking they're aliens!!!

Took 2 minutes see where the artwork on the 100 Swiss frac (in print since 1998) originated.

That does not resolve the origin of anything else in the bill. Only Giacometti's elongated figures (which by the way takes less of a millisecond if one is familiar with his work); it is interesting to note that if what is wanted to represent are aliens (for example) that would indeed be a good choice instead of the alienware logo...

More discrete.

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The thing is, it's essential to know what you are looking at first in that set of data. Those answers are probably not going to come from the display tool itself. It could take some time to understand the methods used by the IRAS hardware and software (and the researchers themselves) to image and process the areas. Also what subsequent transforms may have been done on the data and why. In other words, before reasonable deduction there has to be a lot of induction. That inductive step provides the experience necessary for the type of discernment needed to interpret the images and to justify any conclusions.

It seems your inductions and deductions are already known judging from other posts. I don't understand why you are so quick in trying to debunk "government do not lie to you" about technology, elites, mayan calendar. It is very weird.

It took a mathematician and amateur astronomer to 'discover' Elenin (Leonid Elenin), so don't expect NASA to tell you much about it.

[zenmaster]

I don't understand why you are so quick in trying to debunk "government do not lie to you" about technology, elites, mayan calendar.

Ok, I'll 'bite'. Exactly what are you talking about now? What is your 'position'?

[Eddie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW-EVBfLfPc

[loop]

did a re-read of the "Harvest" tag last night and found few bits, which I believe are relevant:

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

there is no 2012 at all. they've confirmed - 2011. The fractal nature (theory) of the Mayan calendar, which I strongly trust confirms 2011 as the year of completion of the cycle. The exact date of the end of the 7th day (Oct 28) I don't trust, firstly, due to the calendar changes/shifts made in the past; next, the 7th day is very likely to be a new octave of energy and time density, which is out of our comprehension in 3d. If the the conversion math is correct, the 6th night starts on Sep 19 and ends on Oct 8, but again the date is likely to not be exact, imho.

Also, it is mentioned multiple times that the harvest will begin "at the striking of an hour", which is an exact pre-defined moment. If I recall properly, there was a statement that the exact planetary configurations are irrelevant to the moment, and if there would be an extreme catalyst, in the form of "Earth changes", was yet undefined at the time of the sessions. Maybe "someone" has decided that we really need one (all those prophecies) and we now see these "celestial objects" getting here to introduce one. Of course, a harvest happening in a peaceful environment is our best path, even if it's a mixed harvest.

To be honest, in the recent years, I somehow feel that all these nibiru and other prophesied cataclysms will likely happen past the point of the harvest. What I mean is that they will come to the "abandoned 3d earth" to "clean up the mass" once we all leave the place. I truly believe that our society have outgrown the needs to fight each other. Besides that media is trying hard to make us hostile, aggressive and frighten, all the people I meet in my life are peaceful and loving (though, somewhat "fragile"). We don't really need more extreme catalysts like a WWIII or a series of earthquakes and volcanic irruptions. And we could well live up with this broken and twisted monetary system for a couple of more months, but hopefully not much more.

Are you people ready for the harvest? I sure am and many other, who I meet daily, are also ready. Everyone is so tired of this twisted system in which we are forced to operate in ... it is about time for this nonsensical political and economical structures to just go away!

[Raman]

I don't understand why you are so quick in trying to debunk "government do not lie to you" about technology, elites, mayan calendar.

Ok, I'll 'bite'. Exactly what are you talking about now? What is your 'position'?

No need to act. It is a very clear trend. You tend to put any poster that deal with a hint of trying to discover 'conspiracies', or even when trying to dig deeper, or offering novel information by steering the way people have to think about things, putting people down, derailing the threads.

It has been very consistent. There is no need to explain any 'position' .

Regarding my 'position' on comet Elenin, I am still trying to get one if you so kindly allow us to try to discover what is going on.

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did a re-read of the "Harvest" tag last night and found few bits, which I believe are relevant:

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

there is no 2012 at all. they've confirmed - 2011. The fractal nature (theory) of the Mayan calendar, which I strongly trust confirms 2011 as the year of completion of the cycle. The exact date of the end of the 7th day (Oct 28) I don't trust, firstly, due to the calendar changes/shifts made in the past; next, the 7th day is very likely to be a new octave of energy and time density, which is out of our comprehension in 3d. If the the conversion math is correct, the 6th night starts on Sep 19 and ends on Oct 8, but again the date is likely to not be exact, imho.

Also, it is mentioned multiple times that the harvest will begin "at the striking of an hour", which is an exact pre-defined moment. If I recall properly, there was a statement that the exact planetary configurations are irrelevant to the moment, and if there would be an extreme catalyst, in the form of "Earth changes", was yet undefined at the time of the sessions. Maybe "someone" has decided that we really need one (all those prophecies) and we now see these "celestial objects" getting here to introduce one. Of course, a harvest happening in a peaceful environment is our best path, even if it's a mixed harvest.

To be honest, in the recent years, I somehow feel that all these nibiru and other prophesied cataclysms will likely happen past the point of the harvest. What I mean is that they will come to the "abandoned 3d earth" to "clean up the mass" once we all leave the place. I truly believe that our society have outgrown the needs to fight each other. Besides that media is trying hard to make us hostile, aggressive and frighten, all the people I meet in my life are peaceful and loving (though, somewhat "fragile"). We don't really need more extreme catalysts like a WWIII or a series of earthquakes and volcanic irruptions. And we could well live up with this broken and twisted monetary system for a couple of more months, but hopefully not much more.

Are you people ready for the harvest? I sure am and many other, who I meet daily, are also ready. Everyone is so tired of this twisted system in which we are forced to operate in ... it is about time for this nonsensical political and economical structures to just go away!

I think your intuition is very well developed in this matter.

Considering that the South American 6d group was much more successful than Ra itself, we can expect more exactitude from any dates perhaps...so 2011 given by Ra maybe Oct 28 more precise by the South American group. However, it could be off by a couple of months (December).

Yes it is going to happen. No doubt. And maybe by wanderers being consciously aware of this, energies can be more focused.

[BrownEye]

The exact date of the end of the 7th day (Oct 28) I don't trust,

Also, it is mentioned multiple times that the harvest will begin "at the striking of an hour", which is an exact pre-defined moment.

My messages tell me 11:11 is 11/11 or Nov 2011. The Mayan date is the end of this age, while the beginning of the new pretty much begins at the start of November.

The last message I had gotten was about the 10:10 dates displayed on all the watch and clock advertisements. My message was "worldwide catastrophe without any/many deaths" which ended up being the Chilean miner ritual. It was a "catastrophe" that was broadcast "worldwide" without any noticeable deaths. The ritual took place 10:10 or 10/10 or October 2010.

11/11 is next, and I assume something else occurs on 12/12 also. Its all a part of the game I suppose.

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You do realize Hoagland has postulated many, many NASA images as being evidence of artificial construction. The earth's moon,

Do you have any remote viewer friends? There is a weapon on the backside of the moon.

[zenmaster]

There is no need to explain any 'position' .

Of course not.

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You do realize Hoagland has postulated many, many NASA images as being evidence of artificial construction. The earth's moon,

Do you have any remote viewer friends? There is a weapon on the backside of the moon.

Ok.

[Monica]

You do realize Hoagland has postulated many, many NASA images as being evidence of artificial construction. The earth's moon, rocks on the moon, Martian moon Phobos, Martian 'walled cities', Martian 'face', Saturn's moon Iapetus. That's 'what he does

I saw Hoagland's entire presentation on the Mars monuments back around 1987 - the 2-hour presentation he did for NASA - as well as read his book - and I'm convinced he's right about it. I don't know about the others, but I believe him about Mars. There's way too much evidence to think otherwise. And, knowing what we know from Ra - that Mars DID host 3D entities - it seems pretty obvious anyway. NASA covered it up. Hoagland predicted they would beforehand, and then they did exactly what he predicted.

[zenmaster]

You do realize Hoagland has postulated many, many NASA images as being evidence of artificial construction. The earth's moon, rocks on the moon, Martian moon Phobos, Martian 'walled cities', Martian 'face', Saturn's moon Iapetus. That's 'what he does

I saw Hoagland's entire presentation on the Mars monuments back around 1987 - the 2-hour presentation he did for NASA - as well as read his book - and I'm convinced he's right about it. I don't know about the others, but I believe him about Mars. There's way too much evidence to think otherwise. And, knowing what we know from Ra - that Mars DID host 3D entities - it seems pretty obvious anyway. NASA covered it up. Hoagland predicted they would beforehand, and then they did exactly what he predicted.

Not convincing in the least for me. Way too much pareidolia to take seriously. In fact, it seems like an unfortunate pathological condition which is greatly reinforced by the public's ongoing need for escapism and victimhood.

[loop]

I think your intuition is very well developed in this matter.
Considering that the South American 6d group was much more successful than Ra itself, we can expect more exactitude from any dates perhaps...so 2011 given by Ra maybe Oct 28 more precise by the South American group. However, it could be off by a couple of months (December).

Yes it is going to happen. No doubt. And maybe by wanderers being consciously aware of this, energies can be more focused.

My messages tell me 11:11 is 11/11 or Nov 2011. The Mayan date is the end of this age, while the beginning of the new pretty much begins at the start of November.

The last message I had gotten was about the 10:10 dates displayed on all the watch and clock advertisements. My message was "worldwide catastrophe without any/many deaths" which ended up being the Chilean miner ritual. It was a "catastrophe" that was broadcast "worldwide" without any noticeable deaths. The ritual took place 10:10 or 10/10 or October 2010.

11/11 is next, and I assume something else occurs on 12/12 also. Its all a part of the game I suppose.

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Thank you very much for the kind responses!

both November & December are very close to October 28, so that makes sense for sure. And so is September.

My imagination brought a different thought to me. Here's some preface:
The 10 franc bill has the exact alignment of the planets as per September 26, excluding the two missing objects. This is the exact date when the comet is expected to be between us and the sun. Also, the 11:11 (the alarm clock) could also be interpreted as Sept 11, '11 which is the date of Elenin's perihelion (closest point to the sun) and that is also the famous 9/11 date. This 9/11 date is somewhat artificial date, and as we understand, similar to what Elenin is claimed to be - artificial in some way.

So what I imagined is that the harvest date could actually be on the 26 Sept, and we could see the "Blue Star Kachina" on the 9/11/11 to signify the approaching event and fulfill the Hopi prophecy.


Maybe it's not the case, maybe it is. Either way, I though that some readers of this post would find it entertaining, so I though why not share it . It's so difficult to understand and feel the natural flow of the events when there are so many parties and interests interfering with the process. ... and the 9/11/11 is just the next Sunday

[Bring4th_Austin]

So, hypothetically, if this thing gets here and is no more than just a regular comet, what would that say about the sources for all of these theories? Especially, say, Hoagland's...shouldn't making such a definitive statement place him in a "completely unreliable" category?

In my opinion, this isn't the first comet to gain this brand of publicity and it probably won't be the last.

[Monica]

So, hypothetically, if this thing gets here and is no more than just a regular comet, what would that say about the sources for all of these theories? Especially, say, Hoagland's...shouldn't making such a definitive statement place him in a "completely unreliable" category?

There seems to be a misperception about Richard Hoagland. He isn't the one saying Elenin will cause extinction-level catastrophic events, etc. Quite the opposite! He thinks that's all crazy stuff and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Richard Hoagland will be presenting at a conference the weekend of Sept. 25. He believes the comet to be artificial, based on statistical impossibilities, but doesn't think it will cause any catastrophic events because it's way too small and too far away. In fact, he indicates that all the fuss about it is way overblown.

Knowing what I know about him - ie. that he believes NASA to be corrupt etc. - for him to dismiss the conspiracy theories about Elenin, is very significant, in my opinion. This puts him in the 'reliable' category for me.

The thing that was still bugging me was the 'brown dwarf' apparently being blocked by google sky. But the more I think about it, the more I think it's bogus. If they really wanted to conceal it from the masses, they would have completely blocked it from view, not partially blocked it, so that we can see that there is obviously something there. To partially block it, is just too stupid, so it can't have been accidental. It's waaaaay too contrived. What is google sky anyway but software? Software can be rigged. If they rigged it to black out that section of the sky, then they would have made sure it was a total black-out. But they didn't. They left it as a teaser, seemingly for the express purpose of getting people all riled up and thinking that the power elite is trying to hide it from us because "they're planning an extinction event". How convenient. But if they really wanted to hide it, they would have hidden it. Assuming the black-out is even intentional at all and not just a normal glitch in the software, then it's obvious that they intended for it to be only partially blacked out! Why? What reason could they have for doing that? To get a fear response. The part that's blacked out isn't functioning as a black-out, but as provocation. They're screwing with us! It reeks of intentional disinformation, for the obvious purpose of fear-mongering.

[BrownEye]

So, hypothetically, if this thing gets here and is no more than just a regular comet, what would that say about the sources for all of these theories? Especially, say, Hoagland's...shouldn't making such a definitive statement place him in a "completely unreliable" category?

In my opinion, this isn't the first comet to gain this brand of publicity and it probably won't be the last.

There is new DNA coming along with this comet. Maybe "starseed" is a relevant term. New DNA arrived during the Hale Bopp appearance too, but who noticed anything?

[Monica]

There is new DNA coming along with this comet. Maybe "starseed" is a relevant term. New DNA arrived during the Hale Bopp appearance too, but who noticed anything?

Please elaborate!

[loop]

Richard Hoagland will be presenting at a conference the weekend of Sept. 25. He believes the comet to be artificial, based on statistical impossibilities, but doesn't think it will cause any catastrophic events because it's way too small and too far away. In fact, he indicates that all the fuss about it is way overblown.

And that's exactly what the navy spaceman says - a super-controllable rock and it will not have impact on earth whatsoever.

Have you checked the link I posted? http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.p...ic=356.100 Reply #105

[BrownEye]

There is new DNA coming along with this comet. Maybe "starseed" is a relevant term. New DNA arrived during the Hale Bopp appearance too, but who noticed anything?

Please elaborate!

There was a headline somewhere mentioning the potential for new DNA or changes resulting from comets.

Ok, the thing to keep in mind here is that of the separate "planes" and densities that can coexist next to each other. Who says that a ball of light is simply a ball of light because it appears as so in "our limited sphere of perception"? Not much different than the different beings that inhabit the other planets that we say are uninhabitable. What we may see could just be a manifestation of something we do not yet understand, and could be completely different in its native density.

[loop]

Project Camelot's site is all over this too: http://projectcamelotproductions.com/

here is a audio/video transcript of a recent channeled session on the topic