Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Confused]

When personal bias (hope or fear based) - not one's unique 'distortion' - fills in the gaps in understanding, or when desires greatly overextend what is known with what one would like to see. We promote our bias in order to influence and reinforce our own and other's prejudices. Further, we often do this because we perceive that the ends justify the means - this is the 'consequentialist' attitude. That is the dishonest approach, and in this manner we prostitute unconscious. It's a form of lying to oneself, and others, which energizes and only necessitates further fantasy-drama catalyst.

Why cannot spiritual evolution be like play? Why does it have to be so laborious and so nuanced in complexity. Getting tired of all these infinite layers of complexity and the burden of having to live in a world of multiple imposed constrictions.

[Tenet Nosce]

Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

[zenmaster]

Why cannot spiritual evolution be like play? Why does it have to be so laborious and so nuanced in complexity. Getting tired of all these infinite layers of complexity and the burden of having to live in a world of multiple imposed constrictions.

We constrict ourselves due to lack of honesty. The burden of discernment requires some effort which is a process of creation.

[Confused]

Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

Yes, I think so too. Why did this have to happen if the universe is a loving place, as most of us would generally like to understand 'love' --

10.15 Questioner: I was wondering about the advent of the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, when these civilizations occurred, and where did they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of this working. The civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria were not one but two. Let us look first at the Mu entities.

They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately 53,000 of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own.

[Meerie]

Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

May I contradict you there? "life is what happens while you are busy making other plans" John Lennon

[zenmaster]

Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

If you have such 'plans', you are not living in the present. End of story.

[3DMonkey]

Denial about mass death and destruction?

Who denies this? It happens.

You mean that I don't see it happening to me? That is just a personal choice. If it does happen, I highly doubt I will deny it.

[native]

Why cannot spiritual evolution be like play? Why does it have to be so laborious and so nuanced in complexity. Getting tired of all these infinite layers of complexity and the burden of having to live in a world of multiple imposed constrictions.

Gotta make eternity interesting somehow. I'm having fun

[Tenet Nosce]

When personal bias (hope or fear based) - not one's unique 'distortion' - fills in the gaps in understanding, or when desires greatly overextend what is known with what one would like to see.

We appear to have two camps, each perceiving the other to be defending their view out of wishful thinking. For my part, I am not hoping or fearing that things turn out a certain way. I am just offering what I believe to be an accurate interpretation of the material.

To be sure, there are certain assumptions I am making. One assumption is that, when Ra chooses a particular word or phrase, that this is done for a reason. Ra knew what they were trying to say. Furthermore, Ra knew that they were speaking to 3D minds, and also knew that the material was to be published.

So if Ra on two occasions, chose to give the image of the "clock striking upon the hour", they obviously wanted to communicate a certain discreteness to the event. It doesn't make sense to say that, for a being like Ra, maybe the clock striking is like a thousand years... That is all mumbo-jumbo because Ra ALREADY KNOWS this. Ra knows all about the differences in the perception of time between their state of consciousness and ours. So if Ra wanted to convey that the harvest was an ongoing event which took place over a period of a thousand years, they would have said as such.

This is what I see happening a lot:

Person A: Hi, I am curious to know what Ra says about bananas.
Person B: Here are some quotes from Ra about bananas.
Person C: Maybe when Ra was talking about bananas, they really meant apples.
Person B: No, I don't think so. Based upon what Ra said, your view is incorrect.
Person C: Well, if I think Ra was talking about apples, then that is "my truth" therefore it is "my reality".
Person D: I love apples!
Person A: WTF?

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Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

May I contradict you there? "life is what happens while you are busy making other plans" John Lennon

Yes, you may. But I think we are saying the same thing??

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Denial about mass death and destruction?

Yes. There are many people who just simply don't "believe in" the possibility of a global cataclysm. This is different in knowing that it is possible, and investing one's energy in an alternative possibility.

Who denies this? It happens.

Lots of people, all the time.

You mean that I don't see it happening to me?

No, I wasn't referring specifically you. I was talking about "people" in general. The masses. Of which I don't think you are a particularly accurate representation. Or really anybody on this forum, for that matter.

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Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

If you have such 'plans', you are not living in the present. End of story.

Exactly.

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Yes, I think so too. Why did this have to happen if the universe is a loving place, as most of us would generally like to understand 'love' --

I think this is because the manner in which most of us understand 'love' is not based in truth. We believe that the degree another person's DNA is similar to our own determines how much we should love them.

[3DMonkey]

The correct answer is D

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The "clock striking" is just a way of saying 'it happens when it is supposed to happen'. It wasn't in context of duration.

Person A: Are you sure it is going to happen?
Person B: As sure as I am that Noon will happen today.
Person A: So it is going to happen at noon?
Person B: No. It is as a clock, it happens regardless.
Person A: Well, I need to get ready, I didn't realize we only had the hour of Noon to complete it.
Person B: This is an approximation. We are experiencing it right now. I mean, noon was to help you understand.....I mean.... aw, just do what makes sense to you...

[zenmaster]

So if Ra on two occasions, chose to give the image of the "clock striking upon the hour", they obviously wanted to communicate a certain discreteness to the event. It doesn't make sense to say that, for a being like Ra, maybe the clock striking is like a thousand years... That is all mumbo-jumbo because Ra ALREADY KNOWS this. Ra knows all about the differences in the perception of time between their state of consciousness and ours. So if Ra wanted to convey that the harvest was an ongoing event which took place over a period of a thousand years, they would have said as such.

With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

[Raman]

With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

"this is correct' 'this is incorrect'. Some interpretations are correct some are not. Is not like 'anything else'...

You ask for honesty and then you get upset when people are honest expressing their feelings opinions if do not agree with your point of view?

Reminds me of the temper tantrum you had about Calleman's views. Although maybe you were just being honest expressing your views. But no need to <demand> 'honesty' which I find kind of interesting.

errr...End of story!

[3DMonkey]

Hahaha. No no no.

Honesty within the self before presenting the self's opinions is what zen is talking about. He's not judging whether anyone has or hasn't done so. He's just pointing out that it is likely and can be a cause of delusional.

Your point is not lost, though. I see that even deciding to be honest with self is still, full circle, a dishonest or a delusional expression of itself.

Do a little dance. Make a little love. Get down tonight.

[zenmaster]

With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

"this is correct' 'this is incorrect'. Some interpretations are correct some are not. Is not like 'anything else'...

You ask for honesty and then you get upset when people are honest expressing their feelings opinions if do not agree with your point of view?

Reminds me of the temper tantrum you had about Calleman's views. Although maybe you were just being honest expressing your views. But no need to <demand> 'honesty' which I find kind of interesting.

errr...End of story!

The 'temper-tantrum idea' and idea of being 'upset' is allowed through your dishonesty, as these are your projections. Any agreement or disagreement with my point of view, or my expression of satisfaction is irrelevant unless you really need some kind of confirmation of your own biases. Those that are honestly expressing their feelings and opinions are of course the 'victims' in your drama. Gotta love it.

[Raman]

Do a little dance. Make a little love. Get down tonight.

Did you just ask me for a date??

This feels so wrong!

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With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

"this is correct' 'this is incorrect'. Some interpretations are correct some are not. Is not like 'anything else'...

You ask for honesty and then you get upset when people are honest expressing their feelings opinions if do not agree with your point of view?

Reminds me of the temper tantrum you had about Calleman's views. Although maybe you were just being honest expressing your views. But no need to <demand> 'honesty' which I find kind of interesting.

errr...End of story!

The 'temper-tantrum idea' and idea of being 'upset' is allowed through your dishonesty, as these are your projections. Any agreement or disagreement with my point of view, or my expression of satisfaction is irrelevant unless you really need some kind of confirmation of your own biases. Those that are honestly expressing their feelings and opinions are of course the 'victims' in your drama. Gotta love it.

It is not irrelevant if I think you are incorrect in your view.

[3DMonkey]

Ra says it's a dance. I'm just remebering that when I hear the music of "full circle archetypal structure". It's my favorite metaphysical "mix"

[zenmaster]

It is not irrelevant if I think you are incorrect in your view.

Sure, and you (and others) have my permission to continue to use me, as you have been doing, to help understand yourself better.

[3DMonkey]

Now your just inviting projection, lol

[zenmaster]

Now your just inviting projection, lol

To be conscious of it is a step forward.

[3DMonkey]

If I didn't like you, "a step forward" would make me look like this

[unity100]

So if Ra on two occasions, chose to give the image of the "clock striking upon the hour", they obviously wanted to communicate a certain discreteness to the event. It doesn't make sense to say that, for a being like Ra, maybe the clock striking is like a thousand years... That is all mumbo-jumbo because Ra ALREADY KNOWS this. Ra knows all about the differences in the perception of time between their state of consciousness and ours. So if Ra wanted to convey that the harvest was an ongoing event which took place over a period of a thousand years, they would have said as such.

With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

tenet is precise in his assessment. ra has never used a word out of place. when they were used, they were corrected. when they meant start of something, they said 'start of something'. this is probably one of the reasons most of us are studying this material in the first place anyway.

regardless, update that to 'happening of something can be instantaneous and its after effects gradual'.

definite explanations were given. in the numerous definitive statements made about harvest there are :

- galactic shape being like a clock, and this clock carrying planets and solar systems through densities in a clocklike fashion through the central logos of the galaxy (this was told to be planned by infinite intelligence btw, this means it is a mechanism)
- in similar fashion, approach of harvest, and subsequent 4d was named AS PRECISE AS the strikings of a clock.
- harvest was defined as gateways to infinite intelligence opening
- harvest was told to happen three times per a 75,000 year 3d, in 25,000 year intervals
- harvest was told to happen REGARDLESS of the circumstances upon striking of the hour, on the planet
- harvest was told to be going to happen IN 2011. not start in 2011 and continue. happen in 2011 would mean start AND end in 2011. but, not continue past it. this means harvest is something that happens in a time period which we can fit into one of our years - even if 2011 is not a certain date.

the above do not leave any doubt to what they mean - harvest is an event which happens with gateway to intelligent infinity opening, in the watch of harvesters. this happens 3 times a 3d cycle, and at the last cycle everyone is harvested. and after that, 4d starts.

there are various implications. since, a 3d planet does not enter green vibrations until end of 3d, and the first 2 harvests happen without a 4d starting, there can be no linking made in between start of 4d, and harvest. harvest happens without 4d starting and 3d ending.

since there wouldnt be any green vibrations to increase the frequency of entities in the first 2 cycles (planet is not in green spectrum yet), and actually gateway to infinite intelligence requires not only green, but full spectrum from red to indigo, there has to be something that is happening and providing the amount and frequency needed for the gateway openings. this, would be the harvest.

it can also be said that, it may be a possibility that a planet's general vibrational frequency increase as the gateway opens, and falls when the gateway closes, even if it is probably dependent on the vibration of the entities on the planet. (since the planet is not yet traveling in green vibration spectrum). but still this kind of increase would be uncertain, and would not provide sufficient amount of energy or vibrational frequency in order to assure intelligent infinity contact, due to being subject to state of the capability of the society on the planet.

therefore this means, the opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity happens with the event we call harvest, and the gate opening provides everything that is needed for contact.

this is the harvest as we are told. and as per other information, this happens IN space/time, and time/space, despite being a time/space phenomenon. (naturally actually any kind of spiritual energy/vibration increase would affect mind/spirit).

after harvest happens and the gateway closes, those who chose not to leave during harvest, would behold an environment which fell to natural frequency levels, at the balance point of the vibration of the society, and the core vibration of the planet. ie - remember how we were told the core frequency of the planet was green, and the spectrum of photon vibration was also green since 1937, and this was creating problems due to the frequency/level of the society still being stuck in orange/yellow spectrum. (unused heat, quakes etc etc). what this tell us is that the frequency of the society lives on a planet, can be different and incompatible with the frequency that the planet is in.

so, when harvest comes in as of this moment, and increases the frequency of the entities on the planet through any measure of exposure to infinite intelligence, we can expect the overall vibration of the society to increase, with all the potential problems it would bring (people going mad etc). and when harvest ends, the vibration of the society would fall down, to whatever current new equilibrium it is going to stabilize at. since the overall frequency is orange/yellow, it would be naive to expect it to balance in the green spectrum. for that, majority of entities would need to be in green spectrum, and also mentally compatible with it. (not acting against their core vibration due to their mental conditioning and behavior sets and reducing their vibration unintentionally).

then when the harvest passes, the vibration would fall down to earlier levels, even if it stops at a higher point than it was, but not at the green spectrum itself. this assumes of course, noone leaves the planet. what would happen if the unharvested leave through dying, or wanderers leave through dying, is another matter and would affect the overall frequency of the society.

let me sum this all up :

- harvest is a cosmic event which is a mechanism that ticks with the revolution of the galactic logos. it is a mechanism that was planned by infinite intelligence. it is a very basic level event
- it happens at a given time point, and the harvested entities contact infinite intelligence. 'harvested' means, 'contacted intelligent infinity'. there is no obligation of dying (based on what we know so far) after contacting infinite intelligence.
- any entity which contacted infinite intelligence, through any means, can leave a 3d planet at any given point in time through intelligent infinity.
- at the end of 3rd cycle of a 3d planet, 4d on that planet starts
- cataclysms were not planned by this logos. they are a natural result of free will of entities. whether they may or may not happen, is disregarded by harvest. it happens regardless of the circumstances
- at harvest, there are harvesters from ABOVE this octave. this explains the definition 'gateway to intelligent infinity' -> during harvest a gate opens which transcends the boundaries of octaves
- cyclic mayan calendar seems to have a connection with this. it is probably part of info the south american group brought.


what i expect to happen during harvest :

- entities will contact intelligent infinity - this is not a feeling that is too dissimilar to some people who experienced intelligent infinity contact which was described in Ra material in various points. however, this time, there are harvesters and there is a harvest. so, it will be different than earlier personal experiences.


what i expect after harvest :

- a lot of people may die, choosing to leave through intelligent infinity. basically, this is 'it'. it couldnt get any better than that. naive would be to worry about these people, since they couldnt be in any better situation than this, in any way possible. they actually may do this at any point after harvest too. the manner of, or apparent 'reason' for their death would probably depend totally on their own choosing. whether there may be walk-in situations, is a discussion in itself.
- a lot of people may experience a lot of issues, some or many die, due to problems created due to exposure to high vibrations. this is unlikely, since we arent seeing considerable trouble in people's psyches or health as vibrations increase. but still a possibility.
- a lot of people may go instable/temporarily mad.
- most people may realize something's afoot, but not be able to make out what.
- any kind of potential problems/cataclysms/disruptions due to conditions of disharmony in between the 3d society and present vibrations.
- after harvest, vibration of this society will drop to its earlier levels, even if a bit higher. this is due to free will function. considering the highest the planet is in at this moment is green, i expect it to be somewhere in yellow at most. this is also rather optimistic.
- with a low chance, all the unharvested 3d entities may die. low chance though. would fix almost all of the problems on this planet.
- 3-4d dual incarnated entities keep on living. they were harvested, and unless they get harvested again and choose to leave, (where will they go anyway, they are already 4d and their home planet is this, so unlikely) they are the ones who are to keep living in their current bodies during and after harvest. this is a given. they are the ones to create 4d bodies through gradual reproduction. whether they may be hauled off to other locations, (like the hidden cities south american group built) etc is a discussion in itself.
- any issues that may arise due to the extreme level of technology given to this society, those who are privy to that technology, any kind of need to offset this by external sources etc, are subjects in themselves
- i dont expect any fantastic transformations, magnificent strides forward in consciousness etc, unless unharvested entities leave planet en masse. what i mentioned about overall vibration of 3d society holds here.
- there will be a small period of time in which gates to intelligent infinity open, and those who can work with intelligent energy may exhibit paranormal feats during this period, in an easier fashion. limitations of 3d or 3-4d bodies and the overall capacity of entity's violet balance of course factors.

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the above is what is likely given the current information we have.

The 'temper-tantrum idea' and idea of being 'upset' is allowed through your dishonesty, as these are your projections. Any agreement or disagreement with my point of view, or my expression of satisfaction is irrelevant unless you really need some kind of confirmation of your own biases. Those that are honestly expressing their feelings and opinions are of course the 'victims' in your drama. Gotta love it.

come on. you dont need to put the phrase 'temper-tantrum idea' in quotes. as with every time we went through a mayan night peak point like in the recent months, you again went increasingly fiery and aggressive in your manners towards whatever you were arguing against as the mayan night peak yesterday approached, and your sarcasm went to its peaks. this time main focus was calleman. every mayan night's peak period, you have exhibited similar escalation. and curiously, i had had explicitly mentioned this before in the earlier mayan night, telling that you tended to become aggressive and quick tempered etc in mayan night peaks. and voila, here we are again, just past the peak of another mayan night by only 1 day, and you have been raving from ambiguous to charlatan about calleman in the last few days. i have been meaning to state this in the last 2-3 days. better late than never. granted, your attitude towards the participants have been much milder in this mayan night peak.

for someone who is totally denying any possibility of truth behind mayan calendar, you sure are getting affected from it a lot.

[native]

Ra speaks of the harvest as both a process and an event. The harvest is a concept essentially..a transition. Any gradual process will naturally have to culminate into some kind of revealing to make sense of what is happening. Ra made it specifically clear that our migration into fourth density is gradually accompanied by dual-bodies that can handle the transition.

[3DMonkey]

this is probably one of the reasons most of us are studying this material in the first place anyway.

I think it has more to do with the idea that the Ra material reflects the most accurate modern reflection of today's mental and spiritual awareness. It resonates more than all the antiquated material. Yeah, I said resonates.

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what i expect to happen during harvest :

- entities will contact intelligent infinity - this is not a feeling that is too dissimilar to some people who experienced intelligent infinity contact which was described in Ra material in various points. however, this time, there are harvesters and there is a harvest. so, it will be different than earlier personal experiences.


what i expect after harvest :

- a lot of people may die, choosing to leave through intelligent infinity. basically, this is 'it'. it couldnt get any better than that. naive would be to worry about these people, since they couldnt be in any better situation than this, in any way possible. they actually may do this at any point after harvest too. the manner of, or apparent 'reason' for their death would probably depend totally on their own choosing. whether there may be walk-in situations, is a discussion in itself.
- a lot of people may experience a lot of issues, some or many die, due to problems created due to exposure to high vibrations. this is unlikely, since we arent seeing considerable trouble in people's psyches or health as vibrations increase. but still a possibility.
- a lot of people may go instable/temporarily mad.
- most people may realize something's afoot, but not be able to make out what.
- any kind of potential problems/cataclysms/disruptions due to conditions of disharmony in between the 3d society and present vibrations.
- after harvest, vibration of this society will drop to its earlier levels, even if a bit higher. this is due to free will function. considering the highest the planet is in at this moment is green, i expect it to be somewhere in yellow at most. this is also rather optimistic.
- with a low chance, all the unharvested 3d entities may die. low chance though. would fix almost all of the problems on this planet.
- 3-4d dual incarnated entities keep on living. they were harvested, and unless they get harvested again and choose to leave, (where will they go anyway, they are already 4d and their home planet is this, so unlikely) they are the ones who are to keep living in their current bodies during and after harvest. this is a given. they are the ones to create 4d bodies through gradual reproduction. whether they may be hauled off to other locations, (like the hidden cities south american group built) etc is a discussion in itself.
- any issues that may arise due to the extreme level of technology given to this society, those who are privy to that technology, any kind of need to offset this by external sources etc, are subjects in themselves
- i dont expect any fantastic transformations, magnificent strides forward in consciousness etc, unless unharvested entities leave planet en masse. what i mentioned about overall vibration of 3d society holds here.
- there will be a small period of time in which gates to intelligent infinity open, and those who can work with intelligent energy may exhibit paranormal feats during this period, in an easier fashion. limitations of 3d or 3-4d bodies and the overall capacity of entity's violet balance of course factors.

My ideas are not unlike this. I have only one exception in my view, and that is that I believe, from my reading of the material, the harvest has been occurring and will be complete by end of 2011... 2012 at most for discussion's sake.

[unity100]

Ra speaks of the harvest as both a process and an event. The harvest is a concept essentially..a transition.

no they dont, and it isnt :

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...1#pid51911

there was no 'process' or 'transition' in the first 2 cycles. you too are confusing 3d to 4d transition with harvest. harvest is an event that happens without any transition. [/quote]

[hogey11]

When personal bias (hope or fear based) - not one's unique 'distortion' - fills in the gaps in understanding, or when desires greatly overextend what is known with what one would like to see.

My only issue with this is that 'personal bias' seems to be defined on the back of someone else's understanding. Is not each of our realities not true to ourselves? We live within our perceptions because there are lessons to be learnt, so for someone to deem another's view as a personal bias supplants the idea that there is a truth that is different from that. I don't know if anybody holds the right to judge that for someone else.

This really sounds like its splitting hairs with "stop liking what I don't like!" Just call them opinions; you don't have to talk down with 'personal biases'.

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@unity100

Nice list, like monkey I agree with pretty much all of what you're touching on... It was kinda crazy and synchronous in that when you were writing that post I was out for a jog and was thinking "man, someone (or I) should make a post that just lays out how they see harvest going. no arguments, just a sharing of viewpoints." and that's pretty much what you did in that post. I may steal it as a guest-post in my post idea (once i start it )

[native]

Unity - The fact that this sudden vs. gradual argument continues, even among those that have been studying it for years, shows how Ra left things up for interpretation. No matter the argument you make, I interpret it differently. Carla would even disagree with you, as she believes the harvest to be 'now'. I believe the harvest is a gradual process that culminates into an event..a revealing/welcoming probably years from now.

[unity100]

Unity - The fact that this sudden vs. gradual argument continues, even among those that have been studying it for years, shows how Ra left things up for interpretation. No matter the argument you make, I interpret it differently. Carla would even disagree with you, as she believes the harvest to be 'now'. I believe the harvest is a gradual process that culminates into an event..a revealing/welcoming probably years from now.

the fact that this sudden vs gradual argument continues, even among those who have been studying it for years, is precisely due to reasons tenet explained about the biases.

ra had spent every effort not to leave it to interpretation. this is totally leaving aside the fact that when they left something to interpretation, they explicitly stated that, either by refusing to comment, or directly saying they left this to discretion of the seeker.

there is nothing interpretable about the revolving of the galactic spiral astronomically taking solar systems and planets from density to density with it. it is not something that can be interpreted - its an astronomical event. anyone agreeing or disagreeing with anyone else can not change this.

harvest, with the information in our hand, is an event that happens according to a mechanic (just like light traveling in a straight line, just like anything else) that infinite intelligence has planned for this octave. when the clock ticks, infinite intelligence gate opens, regardless of what's going on on the planet, as long as there is a planet. this doesnt change here, or at the other end of this galaxy, or random galaxy at the edge of this universe, since it was told to be a mechanic planned by infinite intelligence.

what people are discussing mainly end up being what the effects of this harvest event will be, on this planet. effects and events preceding it, effects and events following it. these are all up to free will, just like how the confederation taken the initiative to contact harvestable entities in 2nd cycle. the confederation or another party may even show up after harvest, hauling people elsewhere. (like mars entities were brought here). this is also something that is left to free will of the entities inhabiting this nexus. (the free will here includes the confederation entities too).

one thing that is definite, is entities contacting infinite intelligence (hence harvested) being able to leave at any given point in time through infinite intelligence. this basically bypasses and trumps anything that can happen.

it may even be so that the guardians/spirits/whatever governing this planet may take the initiative to get all entities off of this planet through death. this is also a possibility. however even in this possibility, the unchangeable facet of harvest, the contact with intelligent infinity and being able to leave this planet through intelligent infinity would still override, since it is a mechanic tied to the basic harvest mechanism, and infinite intelligence.

it is also still possible that all 3d entities may die at harvest.

the below is also important :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#9

it is possible that 3-4d entities are creating the new 4d bodies not in this plane, this plane here being the 3d plane we are inhabiting, but in 4d plane that is separate from this, through their simultaneous presence in 4d . and 3-4d entities may also die during a mass disincarnation at harvest, and yet, the 4d bodies would have still been created through whatever reproductive mechanism affects 4d, in 4d plane.

this possibility arises from the differentiation of 3d and 4d as 'planes'. it means that 3d and 4d do not inhabit the same 'whatever' we understand.

intelligent infinity contact is no joke. the future societal complex totality of this planetary entity (basically the entire planet's higher self, the inhabitants included) may decide to take any course of action regarding this planet, once it gets harvested, while the gate to intelligent infinity is open.

@unity100

Nice list, like monkey I agree with pretty much all of what you're touching on... It was kinda crazy and synchronous in that when you were writing that post I was out for a jog and was thinking "man, someone (or I) should make a post that just lays out how they see harvest going. no arguments, just a sharing of viewpoints." and that's pretty much what you did in that post. I may steal it as a guest-post in my post idea (once i start it )

the list i made is based on the current knowledge and possibilities at hand. it doesnt remove the possibility of a mass dieoff, or any other kind of leaving of the planet by entities. one of your family may as well decide to leave the planet through intelligent infinity.

[Tenet Nosce]

By the way, I've noticed some interesting alignments in Cuzco, Peru.

The layout of four sacred sites around the center of the city closely correspond to the configuration of the four central stars in Cygnus. However, they are also similar to the Southern Cross. [See attachments 1 and 2]

The next pic [attachment 3] is a view of the sky from Q'oricancha on 28 Oct 11 (the Calleman end date) at 11:11pm. The circular halo represents the horizon, featuring Cygnus, Sirius, and the Galactic Center.

The last one [attachment 4] is a view of the sky from Q'oricancha on 21 Dec 12 (the Arguelles end date) at 11:11pm. In this configuration, the Southern Cross and Cassiopaea appear on the horizon. Orion is directly overhead.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I don't really have a horse in the harvest race. As I've said before, I wouldn't really be surprised either way. But I do feel compelled to point out that Ra did say "all are harvested," in this quote:

6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

Ra: One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

Some more interesting takeaways from that quote:
One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. (Ra using approximately to describe a difference in a THOUSAND years) All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease (BEGINS to cease, instead of CEASES being) being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

[unity100]

what do these mean ?