Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Edinburgh]

Thanks for that update, Edinburgh... I find Q'uo on the harvest to always be extremely interesting. I hope Q'uo is talking about a 4D reworking of our laws and society. I could see why a 3D soul would have a quite frightened viewpoint if they were told that money won't be needed anymore and that others could read their thoughts

Well, I just wanted to put that out there, as Quo and the Mayan calender both seem to converge at the end of this year as the 'harvest' point. (Quo saying Winter solstice 2011, and Calleman interpreting the Mayan end point as end Oct 2011). I got the impression from the reading, that the changes are to be non-physical, i.e. not some major apocalyptic end days scenario, but rather something more 'in our heads' - I say this because Quo states it will be a frightening time ... but then later says it doesn't seem frightening to them/ there is no reason to be frightened. As you say Hogey, being able to read others thoughts would be frightening to most who weren't prepared/ of the right spiritual path.

I do know that there has been doubt placed on Quo readings, as Carla wasn't in a trance state, etc. Make of this reading what you will.

[unity100]

harvest - gates of infinite intelligence opening.

[3DMonkey]

Thanks for that update, Edinburgh... I find Q'uo on the harvest to always be extremely interesting. I hope Q'uo is talking about a 4D reworking of our laws and society. I could see why a 3D soul would have a quite frightened viewpoint if they were told that money won't be needed anymore and that others could read their thoughts

Well, I just wanted to put that out there, as Quo and the Mayan calender both seem to converge at the end of this year as the 'harvest' point. (Quo saying Winter solstice 2011, and Calleman interpreting the Mayan end point as end Oct 2011). I got the impression from the reading, that the changes are to be non-physical, i.e. not some major apocalyptic end days scenario, but rather something more 'in our heads' - I say this because Quo states it will be a frightening time ... but then later says it doesn't seem frightening to them/ there is no reason to be frightened. As you say Hogey, being able to read others thoughts would be frightening to most who weren't prepared/ of the right spiritual path.

I do know that there has been doubt placed on Quo readings, as Carla wasn't in a trance state, etc. Make of this reading what you will.

Imagine reading someone's mind and discovered how ignorant or low their IQ is. Now THAT would be frightening to me. If you found out their thoughts were more similar to an animals than your own.... !!!!! :exclamation:

[Bring4th_Austin]

harvest - gates of infinite intelligence opening.

Have we figured out what this means yet?

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Thanks for that update, Edinburgh... I find Q'uo on the harvest to always be extremely interesting. I hope Q'uo is talking about a 4D reworking of our laws and society. I could see why a 3D soul would have a quite frightened viewpoint if they were told that money won't be needed anymore and that others could read their thoughts

Well, I just wanted to put that out there, as Quo and the Mayan calender both seem to converge at the end of this year as the 'harvest' point. (Quo saying Winter solstice 2011, and Calleman interpreting the Mayan end point as end Oct 2011). I got the impression from the reading, that the changes are to be non-physical, i.e. not some major apocalyptic end days scenario, but rather something more 'in our heads' - I say this because Quo states it will be a frightening time ... but then later says it doesn't seem frightening to them/ there is no reason to be frightened. As you say Hogey, being able to read others thoughts would be frightening to most who weren't prepared/ of the right spiritual path.

I do know that there has been doubt placed on Quo readings, as Carla wasn't in a trance state, etc. Make of this reading what you will.

Imagine reading someone's mind and discovered how ignorant or low their IQ is. Now THAT would be frightening to me. If you found out their thoughts were more similar to an animals than your own.... !!!!! :exclamation:

I'd imagine someone who has not effectively activated green and views thoughts which differ from their own, especially thoughts which go against their accepted societal standards...would be very frightened by that kind of scenario.

[Raman]

Have we figured out what this means yet?

Some can be figured by what happened to the 150 harvestables entities at the end of the second cycle, when the confederation appeared and such.

However, it is not so simple since: this is the final harvest, the final 3d cycle. That entails a planet activating to 4d (fully) and having 3d in potentiation which implies artifacts, thoughts and feelings pertaining to 3d have to go (as well as 3d entities either gradually or whatever is your opinion).

Seems to me that when that happened to those 150 harvestables it was rather a quick process and a quick choice.

[Oceania]

Monkey just watch Jersey Shore, those people exist.

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artifacts thoughts and feelings don't have to go.

[3DMonkey]

Monkey just watch Jersey Shore, those people exist.

Oh man!!! I know. I tried out that show a few weeks ago because I had heard all the buzz. It was a previous season on netflix. O M G I couldn't make it past 15 minutes. Those people actually exist!!! ????????

[Raman]

Monkey just watch Jersey Shore, those people exist.

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artifacts thoughts and feelings don't have to go.

I am basing that comment diractly on the Ra Material:

63.32 Questioner: When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. This instrument has energy left due to transfer but there is discomfort. We do not wish to deplete this instrument. May we say that this instrument seems in better configuration despite attack than previous workings.

To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density .

4th density is a totally new ball game which is why 4d harvest is so difficult to understand.

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This does not have to be seen as negative. This change could happen over time...but why is death seen as a negative thing? Unless by murder or torture etc, it is a natural process..

And then, when the 'dinosaurs dissapeared' was the meteorite that killed life here an act of some 'dark forces'?, for example? We have death and then 'death by murder, wars, etc..but can you compare in the hypothetical --just hypothetical---case that 3d is destroyed because of something called harvest, is this an action by the dark forces? or just a way (maybe in some cases) to produce a result? A result of evolution?

Death is neutral occurrence, could be produced by negative or as a result of a normal process...was the reduction of life span from 900 years to merely 90 (if lucky) ---in a sense a form of death in itself, a negative occurrence? Or a process required by a state of evolutionary status?

[Bring4th_Austin]

I agree mostly with what you're saying about death Raman, but I do have an issue with the idea of a cataclysmic natural disaster type scenario being a product of design from the Logos as a function of Harvest. Not because of the idea of death itself. I would welcome a quick, painless, easy transition into the non-physical at the right moment.

But it's the idea of the suffering this type of event would cause. Physical suffering, psychological trauma, and no doubt a great amount of spiritual pain as well. These things, if intentionally inflicted on an entity by another entity, would no doubt be considered an STS action by that entity. It's hard for me to reconcile this with the supposed intelligent design of the Harvest.



Also, along the lines of artifacts, I think it is debatable whether or not everything we have created and use in 3D will not exist in 4D. What exactly makes a 3D artifact 3D? If we start using a certain artifact which existed in 3D for 4D functions, wouldn't that then be a 4D artifact? Also, they are 1D by physical make-up...what if the artifacts going into potentiation means that they will simply no longer serve 3D functions on the 3D sphere, but still exist as their chemical make-up in the 1D sphere? It is inevitable that we will basically cease all 3D functioning as we move totally into 4D and stop using 3D artifacts completely, so these things will simply be 1D material remnants of 3D artifacts.

[Raman]

I agree mostly with what you're saying about death Raman, but I do have an issue with the idea of a cataclysmic natural disaster type scenario being a product of design from the Logos as a function of Harvest. Not because of the idea of death itself. I would welcome a quick, painless, easy transition into the non-physical at the right moment.

But it's the idea of the suffering this type of event would cause. Physical suffering, psychological trauma, and no doubt a great amount of spiritual pain as well. These things, if intentionally inflicted on an entity by another entity, would no doubt be considered an STS action by that entity. It's hard for me to reconcile this with the supposed intelligent design of the Harvest.



Also, along the lines of artifacts, I think it is debatable whether or not everything we have created and use in 3D will not exist in 4D. What exactly makes a 3D artifact 3D? If we start using a certain artifact which existed in 3D for 4D functions, wouldn't that then be a 4D artifact? Also, they are 1D by physical make-up...what if the artifacts going into potentiation means that they will simply no longer serve 3D functions on the 3D sphere, but still exist as their chemical make-up in the 1D sphere? It is inevitable that we will basically cease all 3D functioning as we move totally into 4D and stop using 3D artifacts completely, so these things will simply be 1D material remnants of 3D artifacts.

I agree that if there is death, it has to be a dreamlike death with no suffering or type of instant thing, if there is such a possibility. Although, I do not know if dinosaurs death was like that.

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To me artifacts are creations by 3d entities (even bonsai, monsanto crops, taxidermia, etc could apply...but also buildings, anything made with the famous 'opposable thumb' including nuclear weapons. An artificial creation by a 3d entity is a 3d artifact. Kinda Atlantis disapeared with no vestige, for example.

[Oceania]

Monkey just watch Jersey Shore, those people exist.

Oh man!!! I know. I tried out that show a few weeks ago because I had heard all the buzz. It was a previous season on netflix. O M G I couldn't make it past 15 minutes. Those people actually exist!!! ????????

that's a long time!

[3DMonkey]

Yeah, well. I sat through the entire viewing of Avatar and Dark Knight too, so.... sometimes I torture myself.

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I agree mostly with what you're saying about death Raman, but I do have an issue with the idea of a cataclysmic natural disaster type scenario being a product of design from the Logos as a function of Harvest. Not because of the idea of death itself. I would welcome a quick, painless, easy transition into the non-physical at the right moment.

But it's the idea of the suffering this type of event would cause. Physical suffering, psychological trauma, and no doubt a great amount of spiritual pain as well. These things, if intentionally inflicted on an entity by another entity, would no doubt be considered an STS action by that entity. It's hard for me to reconcile this with the supposed intelligent design of the Harvest.

Purely hypothetical at this point. We must call a spade a spade here. If not the hypothetical act, then the current idea of the hypothetical act. Which one is the spade?

[Bring4th_Austin]

I agree mostly with what you're saying about death Raman, but I do have an issue with the idea of a cataclysmic natural disaster type scenario being a product of design from the Logos as a function of Harvest. Not because of the idea of death itself. I would welcome a quick, painless, easy transition into the non-physical at the right moment.

But it's the idea of the suffering this type of event would cause. Physical suffering, psychological trauma, and no doubt a great amount of spiritual pain as well. These things, if intentionally inflicted on an entity by another entity, would no doubt be considered an STS action by that entity. It's hard for me to reconcile this with the supposed intelligent design of the Harvest.

Purely hypothetical at this point. We must call a spade a spade here. If not the hypothetical act, then the current idea of the hypothetical act. Which one is the spade?

Not sure what you're saying. What specifically are you calling hypothetical? Isn't almost everything we discuss here hypothetical?

[Oceania]

David Spade, James Spader.

[3DMonkey]

I agree mostly with what you're saying about death Raman, but I do have an issue with the idea of a cataclysmic natural disaster type scenario being a product of design from the Logos as a function of Harvest. Not because of the idea of death itself. I would welcome a quick, painless, easy transition into the non-physical at the right moment.

But it's the idea of the suffering this type of event would cause. Physical suffering, psychological trauma, and no doubt a great amount of spiritual pain as well. These things, if intentionally inflicted on an entity by another entity, would no doubt be considered an STS action by that entity. It's hard for me to reconcile this with the supposed intelligent design of the Harvest.

Purely hypothetical at this point. We must call a spade a spade here. If not the hypothetical act, then the current idea of the hypothetical act. Which one is the spade?

Not sure what you're saying. What specifically are you calling hypothetical? Isn't almost everything we discuss here hypothetical?

What I'm saying is that the "Creator" created us to die. If there is a planned cataclysm by the Creator, then, make no mistake, the Creator is the spade that you have an issue with. OR, more appropriately IMO, take a look at the "idea of expecting cataclysm to be the way it will happen" as the spade, and call it like you see it.

[Oceania]

yeah, the creator seems to be the spade.

[Raman]

I guess the idea is not death but the possibility of a painful death or seeing any suffering; if harvest involves a possibility of lets say mass death due to a structural change in densities (activation/potentiation), then the change can include a mechanism for making the transition as painless as possible.

If not sudden and gradual, and 3d dying by 'natural' means, then death could be painless or not. People die every day and we eventually will too. Some deaths that occur every day are painless, some are painful. Dying by narcos in mexico decapitating someone's head is not the same as dying of old age, although if it is due to a rapidly developing cancer for example, can be very painful or distressful. There is the possibility that as 4d entities increase, that remaining 3d (if possible) death experience could be a pain-free experience and 'guided' to this effect.

But if 3d catalyst is not offered anymore at one point (especially at harvest or close to it), these types of deaths 'are not needed'. Death in 4d is totally different and I'm inclined to think that since basically there is not aging time of death is a chosen occurrance to start another incarnation.

All this could have been accomplished while in 3d cycles, by not having a society in which suffering is not so common due to wars, cast/class systems and negative catalyst. The harvest is very connected tied to the planet consciousness and planet becoming aware.. If there is a lot of discrepancies inconveniences are bound to occur. However, what the Galactic Logos plans to deal with these situations are, remains a mystery.

[Edinburgh]

Quo goes to great lengths to explain there will be no sudden earth changes. If there are to be big changes, it could be like Hogey said about being able to read peoples minds, etc. This would make it more of a non physical change, but more of a mental change. It seems like Quo is saying its NOT going to go down like in the 2012 hollywood movies.

I think it would be a frightening time for many as Quo says, as being able to see what's inside other peoples thoughts would be overwhelming for many. I think Austin has got the right idea and moved out of the city already, my hat off to him. Being a in city could be hellish - theres a lot of negative energy sucking leeches out there. I try to activate my green ray as much as possible, but how to deal with 1,000,000 + confused and frightened people?

[Oceania]

i wouldn't want t suddenly read people's minds.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Would it be so frightening an experience for those who have reached harvestability?

[Oceania]

good question.

[3DMonkey]

I think it's more "icky" than freightening. But, in this hypothetical, can we turn it off and on? Or is it anybody within 2 meters is automatically in your head? And if their thoughts are in your head can you pull away and forget about their thoughts, or have the two become one forever? So many scenarios.

[Oceania]

well as an empath i can say i can forget about feelings i get from people as i can forget most things that happen. but traumatic disturbing thoughts are not easily forgotten.

[Raman]

I think it's more "icky" than freightening. But, in this hypothetical, can we turn it off and on? Or is it anybody within 2 meters is automatically in your head? And if their thoughts are in your head can you pull away and forget about their thoughts, or have the two become one forever? So many scenarios.

In the Ra material it is stated that 4d is not of words unless if chosen, this to me implies that most probably telepathy is by choice as well.

[3DMonkey]

I think it's more "icky" than freightening. But, in this hypothetical, can we turn it off and on? Or is it anybody within 2 meters is automatically in your head? And if their thoughts are in your head can you pull away and forget about their thoughts, or have the two become one forever? So many scenarios.

In the Ra material it is stated that 4d is not of words unless if chosen, this to me implies that most probably telepathy is by choice as well.

That's the way I would want it. Of course, I wonder if there are Charlie Brown types in 4D.

[Oceania]

well, i read a piece by a dead man, and he says words are used for their cadence and beauty, in the halls of learning. if you want to read it i will give it to you. it's the thing that got me started on my spiritual journey. i asked god for proof of afterlife and i got it.

[AnthroHeart]

Sounds cool Oceania. I'd love to see his writing.

[Oceania]

i will PM it to you and anyone who wants it.

[3DMonkey]

well, i read a piece by a dead man, and he says words are used for their cadence and beauty, in the halls of learning. if you want to read it i will give it to you. it's the thing that got me started on my spiritual journey. i asked god for proof of afterlife and i got it.

awww, yous lucky

[Oceania]

i regret ever asking.