Science of Ascension

[drifting pages]

Using Ra structure of beliefs here, just because a portion within the "higher densities" focuses here(as wanderers and otherwise) does not mean that most of it does, actually i think only a very small part does.

Wanderers are the biased bunch towards this type of thing, others might focus on it differently.

(using bias here as Ra does)

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Edit: Also i think we tend to make what happens here the epicenter of universal importance (and of course it is , to us and others interested in it) But there is a lot more going on...

in my humble not so humble opinion, everywhere you are is the center of the universe so that answers a lot lol

Also i think that for ever asking there is an answer, Ra answered a particular type of asking...
so i suspect...

[BrownEye]

Edit: Also i think we tend to make what happens here the epicenter of universal importance (and of course it is , to us and others interested in it) But there is a lot more going on...

in my humble not so humble opinion, everywhere you are is the center of the universe so that answers a lot lol

I think of myself as the speck on the very edge of the spray from a sneeze.

[3DMonkey]

"I am Asneeze, father of Achoo"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7p2wdo0fBs

[Kiko]

"I am Asneeze, father of Achoo"

Headstrong and cocksure - or is it the other way around..?

I particularly enjoyed Marriane's description of her true love..!

[Oceania]

i'm not anxious about death, i'm anxious about never dying.

[3DMonkey]

i'm not anxious about death, i'm anxious about never dying.

no kidding. All the possibilities we read about what could happen and we have no idea what hotel we have reserved a room at.

[Oceania]

well ya, death is a piece of pie.

[Richard]

i'm not anxious about death, i'm anxious about never dying.

no kidding. All the possibilities we read about what could happen and we have no idea what hotel we have reserved a room at.

Or even if the bus we've chosen to ride stops at that hotel.

Richard

[Confused]

i'm not anxious about death, i'm anxious about never dying.

Very confusing statement. What does it mean? Does it mean you look forward to the release that death will one day bring from this physical and mortal coil that we call the body. Incidentally, it is what that permits evolution, according to Ra !

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shake shake the flashlight. slam it into the palm of my hand. aha! now it's working. oh, look!

Very simple, but informative analogy.

[Oceania]

no i mean i'm not one who wanted eternal life. i want to be an atheist after all i've learned of how the universe works. if there was a way to stop existing, i'd consider that very much.

[Confused]

no i mean i'm not one who wanted eternal life. i want to be an atheist after all i've learned of how the universe works. if there was a way to stop existing, i'd consider that very much.

There is, I guess. Now we are on similar wavelengths. That is what I meant when I said repeatedly that I want to dissolve into the all that there is and merge into the ONE by dissolution of the unified self into the fullness of the ONE (all Ra parlance). That is the only way to stop existing as monadic entities, I believe, from what I could gather from the Ra material. The Hindus would call it Moksha and the Buddhists would term it Nirvana, I guess.

[Oceania]

yeah but i mean beyond that, to not ever have existed or exist, or be existable in any form.

[charlie2012]

no i mean i'm not one who wanted eternal life. i want to be an atheist after all i've learned of how the universe works. if there was a way to stop existing, i'd consider that very much.

What is it that makes you think you would prefer to cease to exist? There is a reason to why you chose to incarnate here, to learn what you've learnt, and why you are feeling what you feel at the moment. The loss of you, the fact that you would cease to exist, would mean that all of us could cease to exist. Without one of us, there is none of us. Is there a reason to why you would not want to return to the oneness? Do you feel shame for what you have experienced? Or does it seem weird to you that our little mind-game might (and probably will) go on forever? We do all of this because we like (or rather love) to dream, to play, to learn and experience.

[Oceania]

if i had power over my own being forever then it'd be fine. it's not fine others can influence me without my say so.

[charlie2012]

if i had power over my own being forever then it'd be fine. it's not fine others can influence me without my say so.

Oh but you can, that is the beauty of it all! There is no need to listen to the others and do what they say, you are free to do as you please. As long as you ignore all but yourself, you can fulfill all that you want. Remember, it is a lonely road to travel and not always an easy one, but it is fully possible. You can even "ascend" when the time is right with this mindset

[Oceania]

if you can be so stifled by the veil that you become powerless, that's not true.

[Confused]

yeah but i mean beyond that, to not ever have existed or exist, or be existable in any form.

We were not really given a choice there, Oceania. We well crossed that point when infinity became aware. You are questioning the very basis of creation itself. I am on the same page as you and I too feel helpless.

It is now either 'my way or the high way' in terms of universal evolution back to the source. That is why I sometimes feel there is more honesty on the STS path in terms of the default dynamics of creation, for it is similar ideology there, isn't it?

After all, the ONE itself could be termed STS at its core, if all it wants to do is collect and store experiences in its infinite intelligence, at the expense of infinite number of entities such as ourselves. I know this argument is not going to be popular here. However, let catalysts get a wee bit deeply personal, and most people would sing a different tune. Remember the story of Job in the Bible!

[charlie2012]

It takes a lot of dedication to pull it off, yes, but if you know what you say you know, you must know anything is possible if one puts enough energy into it. How do you mean powerless? Apathetic?

[Oceania]

yep, people who don't have problems usually sing a different tune to those who do.

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powerless as in another creature can stab you and you can't do anything about it. powerless that you are here and can't get out.

[Confused]

Oceania, he he he, for a change, we agree a lot! :p

[Oceania]

i don't recall us not.

[charlie2012]

I hope this discussion is not going too off-topic (though all of this really does concern ascension!), but yes Confused, you are correct in many ways. It all depends on whether we see the infinite One as a "plural" or "single" entity which is learning. There is nothing wrong with the STS path, one should not be alarmed over this choice (or actually you should ye' little devils! (just trying to spur some hatred in you! nah just kidding )). A true STO entity will understand the choice of the STS and encourage the soul to do what feels right. Our little game would never work without you, and i see it as a true task of courage to be STS. I'm sure the loving crowd at bring4th will understand the choice of any soul

powerless as in another creature can stab you and you can't do anything about it. powerless that you are here and can't get out.

There are two roads (or actually an infinite number of roads but i'll focus on these two main ones) to deal with this problem/challenge/catalyst. You can focus your energy on wanting to understand this other creature, to forgive him/her because of their lack of perspective (their veil), without any thoughts of reward/gratification. Discussing with said entity might result in mutual understanding, or it might not. This matters not, since you know he/she is a brother/sister that was actually supposed to do this to you in order for you to have this catalyst. The other road is to steal back your energy through an act of retaliation, whether you TP said persons house or whatever you might choose. If one does not choose how to use the energy one becomes powerless.

Remember you are here to make a choice. Taking the easy way out of the illusion will mean you will have to face this choice again.

[Confused]

Remember you are here to make a choice. Taking the easy way out of the illusion will mean you will have to face this choice again.

I like that quote from you very much. It somehow seems like a picture painted with words, thus speaking to many nuanced levels of spiritual evolution.

You are a sweet-heart, Oceania. Thanks for being here at this time of the ride

[Oceania]

i don't want catalyst. i want carebears. i don't want to polarize, i want polarbears. i want to be in my own creation and be the god of it, unbothered by the rest of god and its gang if they're so hellbent on making what could be a paradise into a stupid game.

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and you're the sweetheart Confused. you're always so supportive. i really appreciate you.

[3DMonkey]

yep, people who don't have problems usually sing a different tune to those who do.

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powerless as in another creature can stab you and you can't do anything about it. powerless that you are here and can't get out.

I'm powerless to even tell my mind to be positive, shutup, and go to sleep. Can't do it. You wanna know what does? Power ... To be a major player in the game is comforting.... I'm not picked to be on a team

[zenmaster]

if you can be so stifled by the veil that you become powerless, that's not true.

It's laziness that stifles and leads to powerlessness. The veil is there is provide more compelling catalyst, which promotes polarization if one bothers to smell the coffee.

[charlie2012]

i don't want catalyst. i want carebears. i don't want to polarize, i want polarbears. i want to be in my own creation and be the god of it, unbothered by the rest of god and its gang if they're so hellbent on making what could be a paradise into a stupid game.

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Our mind is taught to know which things will make us happy in this instant, and wants to only pursue these. Imagine these two scenarios if you will. 1. You drink a cup of tea (or other favorite drink), go to bed, cuddle with said carebear and fall asleep. 2. You go to a party/event you really did not want to go to, but find there are really nice people there that you get to know. After the event you have to walk home through a cold and rainy storm with leaves blowing everywhere, but when you get home you make a cup of tea (or other favorite drink). Lying in bed with said carebear, you turn to it and say, "i missed you carebear, its nice to be home", and fall asleep.


There cannot be light without dark. If we pursue only those things which we think will make us happy i would assume it might get boring quite quickly. Ice-cream is great if you havent had any in a while, but try working at an ice-cream factory One has to take leaps of faith to find true happiness. Those in higher densities who are here to guide us (as our perspective is a narrow one) know the outcome of our choices before we make them, therefore they might tell us to do something which seems silly and to be honest, stupid, from our perspective. If we take those leaps of faith, believing that we are in good hands, we will notice what an amazing team we can be. I'm not saying it's easy, and neither is the alternative. Things get quite hard as we get closer to 2012. No room to breath between catalysts. So put on your game face (but remember it is a game!), because you are here now and that is what matters. Try to find your path and walk it, live it, feel it


edit: I'd also like to point out that there are times when one only experiences love, gratitude, harmony and all positive feelings. These are wonderful times of course, and are followed by their opposite ages for example; fear, regret, hatred and the most recent one, the age of ignorance. We came to this particular time/space because this is where all the feelings get together. They have all been learnt/experienced now (by yahweh) so it is time to choose. If we choose one of the feelings "in between" the most positive/negative ones we wont be harvested. Some of us came here because we've learnt them before somewhere else, did not quite make the harvest "back home" as we wanted and want to try to choose again. Some of us came here to balance out the catalysts, and so help with harvest. So many feelings getting together right here, but personally i think it's a party of epic proportion. This planet, i mean its amazing. Look at all the things we have here and compare it to any planet in say starwars. Take tatooine: a desert planet with some thugs running the place. Yeah we got that here. We have almost every possible scenery, thing, animal species, personal relation and belief that you can imagine. This place is special. There has never been anything like it. Everything comes together right here.

I could ramble on about this forever but maybe someone got what i'm getting at

Love!

[AnthroHeart]

You know I realize all too much that this is a game, and illusion. But does that tend to devalue our being here?

I mean, it's easy for me to be like "yawn, so so, doesn't matter it's not real." at times.

But I do want being here to be meaningful.

I know before I came into this life that I agreed to a set of pre-birth agreements to fulfill. But I can't be for sure what they are, and whether or not I am even near completing them.

So put on your game face (but remember it is a game!), because you are here now and that is what matters. Try to find your path and walk it, live it, feel it

[3DMonkey]

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if you can be so stifled by the veil that you become powerless, that's not true.

It's laziness that stifles and leads to powerlessness. The veil is there is provide more compelling catalyst, which promotes polarization if one bothers to smell the coffee.

I don't believe this is true. It would be like saying the only thing preventing me from entering PGA Tour is practice. Simply not true. We ate not created equal and that goes for the veil, chakra activation, etc.

[Kiko]

I don't believe this is true. It would be like saying the only thing preventing me from entering PGA Tour is practice. Simply not true. We are not created equal and that goes for the veil, chakra activation, etc.

While most in the forums appear to like saying that all is illusion (and I would agree inasmuch as I can express myself properly) it seems to me that powerlessness, laziness (is there such a thing?) and equality are all illusion too.

If we think that we are any of these things, then surely we can only think that outside oneness? So in time, for example as spread across millennia, one soul may appear more advance than another, but it is just due to incarnations and learning at a certain 'pace'. Both are part of one, so in reality 'behind the scenes' neither is in front or behind.

I seem to remember reading something Ra said about no level of being actually being 'ahead' or 'behind' another. Thus, while I remember being of Ra (singularly) long ago, I am now of the UK in this time and living an ordinary life (if a life can be called that). Ra of 'now' as we perceive them are not 'ahead' of us, nor are we 'behind'.

Our ego-minds in this state of being have a penchant for seeing everything in terms of better or worse, in front or behind; in other words, separation in all things. So, just trying to see through the filter of ego-mind into an attempt at oneness should tell us that 'ascension' is nothing more than change. Not better, not worse, no prizes for hard work or 'winning the race'.