Dangling Threads in LOO series

[Bring4th_Steve]

All,

I'd like to start a mini project in this thread. It will require the help of all of you, so those of you who are just visiting Bring4th to "lurk"... Get out your Law of One books!!! You've got some great opportunities ahead of you to be in service.

What I'd like to do is to start compiling topics that have been discussed, but not continued due to the complexity of the subject matter, or because additional elaboration would throw the direction of Don's questioning off.

For those who have read the series, there are numerous occasions where Ra had to excuse themselves from elaborating too deeply in order to keep focused on teaching the proper answer. I'd love for us to go digging for those small little nuggets that are pending further study!

Some ideas that we can look into involve the pyramids, crystal use, and the archetypes of the mind. These are just a couple of topics amongst myriad of others that we could dig up.

Once these are discovered and identified, we can certainly begin having interesting conversation about them, but we might also want to ask Carla how interested she would be in continuing lines of questioning that relate to the original texts.

Before we get started, how many of you think this is a good idea? I certainly don't want to get jazzed up about this if it's my own fantasy. lol

Thanks for your input, everyone!

Steve

[Monica]

I think it's a great idea! Sort of like a treasure hunt! Count me in!

Some of the topics were left dangling because, at that time, a more detailed answer would have violated the Law of Confusion. I've noticed that some of these topics have been addressed in later sessions with Q'uo, because the consensual consciousness had reached a certain level of awareness.

[Chela]

I'll give it a try...

[Enki]

I think all in all it is a good idea. Just curious though... are you talking about all instances where Ra turned down the questioning? I.E. when discussing extraterrestrials or information of a "transient" nature?

I guess what I am trying to say is, in most instances where Ra turned down the opportunity to answer a question it was typically due to the information being of little import to the actual progression of souls from density to density, specifically of this current harvest period.

Such As:
Questioner: Can you tell me what percentage of the third-, fourth-, and
fifth-density planets which you have spoken of here are polarized negatively
towards service to self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not a query to which we may speak given the Law of
Confusion.
~LoO, Book I, Session 16

Or something like this:
Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call
Mars 75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are
differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we
cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.
~LoO, Book I, Session 18

The First one could be speculated but is of little value.

The second question would seemingly have a possible impact on our futures but would simply be hearsay as to what the possible impact may be.

Now... the other possibility is that we find lines of questioning and answers where we feel it could have been expanded upon further, or would simply have liked to know more, such as:

(this is speaking about Venus)
Questioner: What is its density at present?

Ra: I am Ra. Its core vibrational frequency is sixth density. However we, as
a social memory complex have elected to leave that influence. Therefore, the beings inhabiting this planetary influence at this space/time are fifth-density entities. The planet may be considered a fifth/sixth-density planet.
~LoO, Book IV, Session 89

Quesitons here would be
"what caused you to make the decision to leave?"

"did you co-exist with the other entities that remained on Venus during the time before you left?"

"Did these current fifth density entities evolve alongside you? Similar to our plants and animals evolving alongside us today?

So which were you speaking more towards? just for clarification. Or is it something completely different you were attempting to convey?

[Bring4th_Steve]

Ahh, good question. No, I don't mean to suggest looking for transient loose ends. Rather, ends that could have become their own full-blown conversation, but didn't because it would muddy the specific answer begged by the question.

I know there are parts of the book where Don had to not pursue a certain line of questioning because it would veer too far away from the topic at hand for that session. These would be the areas that would make for great continuances.

For instance, the one area I would love to learn more about is where Don was asking about crystals, and how they work with our energy fields. More specifically, how the different kinds work, and hearing about ways in which we can use them to further our ability to serve in whatever way resonates with us.

Does that help to nail it down a little better?
Steve

[Enki]

yes, definitely clears it up. Though to what end can we site other sources. I know the TOS says to avoid it but if we are speculating it will be hard to postulate without bringing up another source of information...
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I suppose if we didn't post links or re-directs it would be okay? Just wanna make sure I keep it within bounds before we get started

[Bring4th_Steve]

Well the hope is to call attention to the loose ends by mentioning where in the series they occur. That could be a simple Book x, Page y notation. But the idea is that we would not have to speculate on these loose threads insomuch as we would ask Carla if she feels that any of these topics might be worth exploring further when she does special channeling sessions. Since Ra is a part of Q'uo, I am under the assumption that the information is "stepped down" through Latwii and Hatonn into a vibration that Carla most readily attunes to. If she felt there would be benefit, some of the loose LOO ends might make for some great extensions to the original line of questioning.

I'm still debating whether or not this has any value, or if I'm just caught up in the honeymoon effect of all this information. lol

It'll be nice to hear a few more people chime in about it. Certainly, it would help the cause to know there is a demand for this type of extended information. Let's let the idea ride a little bit further to see the level of response, and we can go from there.

Cheers,
Steve

[coronetrt101]

Bring4th_Steve
I too found there were a few loose ends like you expressed and love your idea about asking further questions.... I havent read the LOO in a while but now I have a reason to read them over again.

[3D Sunset]

Here's an example of a Dangling Thread. Don lost track of the "Orion robots" while pursuing the "Men in Black".

The Law of One, Book I, Session 12
Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.

Questioner: Could you describe the robot?
Ra: I am Ra. The robot may look like any other being. It is a construct.

Questioner: Is the robot what is normally called the “Men in Black”?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.

Questioner: Who are the Men in Black?
Ra: I am Ra. The Men in Black are a thought-form type of entity which have some beingness to their make-up. They have certain physical characteristics given them. However, their true vibrational nature is without third-density vibrational characteristics and, therefore, they are able to materialize and dematerialize when necessary.

Questioner: Are all of these Men in Black then used by the Orion Crusaders?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

We never learned any more about them, and I'm not clear on the difference between a "construct" and a "thought form". Just an example off the top of my head.

3D Sunset

[Bring4th_Steve]

Right, that is a good example! 3D Sunset's example also shows another interesting facet to the series!

And that is... There are different points where Don suddenly stops cold in the line of questioning, perhaps because he wanted to jump to the next hot topic.

So now we not only have the dangling subject points that Ra never got to elaborate on, but we also have the subject areas that Don could have continued on but chose not to.

Thank you, 3D Sunset! This gives another interesting criteria for us to keep in mind while pulling together the loose ends.

Well, it sounds like we have enough people interested in giving it a go! So I am going to pick up book 1 and begin reading it again, looking for areas that are ripe for further discussion, meditation, or even questions during channeling, if Carla chooses.

I'm really glad to see that we can do more with the books than to just read and digest material. We are really getting a lot of use out of these by reading them with varied interpretations!

Depending on how successful we are with these, we could consider starting another forum on this topic, or post the compiled list in a blog. How does that sound so far?

[Bring4th_Steve]

All, Gary actually pointed me to the Law of One Wiki where you can look up many points of interest electronically.

I wasn't aware of this, but we have a good head start here. Check out this link!

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...&sc=1&ss=0

I had forgotten how funny some of the responses can be. Don would sometimes talk at length about something, and then suddenly ask if he could have more information on the thought, and Ra simply comes back with a definitive, "No."

So check these out and let me know what you all think!

Steve

[3D Sunset]

All, Gary actually pointed me to the Law of One Wiki where you can look up many points of interest electronically.

I wasn't aware of this, but we have a good head start here. Check out this link!

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...&sc=1&ss=0

I had forgotten how funny some of the responses can be. Don would sometimes talk at length about something, and then suddenly ask if he could have more information on the thought, and Ra simply comes back with a definitive, "No."

So check these out and let me know what you all think!

Steve

Hi Steve,

It's a good start, but in looking through the list just now, I noticed that it is not complete. One such example is when Don asked about the Ark of the Covenant

Law of One Book III, Session 60

Questioner: Thank you. I don’t know if this question will result in any useful information, but I feel that I must ask it. What was the ark of the covenant, and what was its use?

Ra: I am Ra. The ark of the covenant was that place wherein those things most holy, according to the understanding of the one called Moishe, were placed. The article placed therein has been called by your peoples two tablets called the Ten Commandments. There were not two tablets. There was one writing in scroll. This was placed along with the most carefully written accounts by various entities of their beliefs concerning the creation by the One Creator.

This ark was designed to constitute the place wherefrom the priests, as you call those distorted towards the desire to serve their brothers, could draw their power and feel the presence of the One Creator. However, it is to be noted that this entire arrangement was designed, not by the one known to the Confederation as Yahweh, but rather was designed by negative entities preferring this method of creating an elite called the Sons of Levi.

Category: Objects: Ark of the Covenant, People: Moses

6Questioner: Where is the ark of the covenant now? Where is it located?

Ra: I am Ra. We refrain from answering this query due to the fact that it does still exist and is not that which we would infringe upon your peoples by locating.

There are probably more. How do you suggest that we delve into them?

Any thoughts?

3D Sunset

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Oh! Another Law of confusion occurred to me. When Don was asking about the creation of the atomic bomb, Ra mentioned that most of the developers of the bomb were fairly polarized to STO, but said that there was one significant exception who he refrained from naming because he was still alive. It's funny, but the first time I read that, I immediately thought of Edward Teller (father of the Hydrogen bomb), who did recently die. It might be interesting to get a confirmation of that from Q'uo. In looking at Teller's life, it's certainly easy to place him in the STS role.

3D Sunset

[coronetrt101]

Dont know if this qualifies but who was Spectra and what statement??? Was something edited since there is a hint that may have happened??

21.3 Questioner: I had already determined to exclude him from these workings. I had only determined to let him read the material. The only other thing that I have noticed within the material as it exists now there is a certain statement that will allow him to understand who I believe Spectra really was. It seems to be my duty to remove this from his knowledge to preserve the same free will that you attempted to preserve by not naming the origin of the Spectra contact in Israel. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a matter for your discretion.

[βαθμιαίος]

I love the premise of this thread.

One of the biggest dangling threads is the archetypical mind, specifically the body, the spirit, and the choice. There's many sessions worth of questions there.

More transiently, I've always been curious about the wanderer who was infringed upon in the same manner that was attempted against Carla (session 69). Not so much who he or she is/was, but why Ra couldn't answer. Presumably because he/she is still alive, possibly in a coma-type state?

I also wonder about the crystal skull mentioned in session 76. Ra said it uncovered interesting material. What material?

I have added the ark of the covenant and the questions about percentages and cloning to the lawofone.info "Not answered" category.

[Bring4th_Steve]

There are probably more. How do you suggest that we delve into them?

Any thoughts?

Hi 3D Sunset,

The idea is to simply acknowledge them in this thread, as you have successfully done already with topics that did not make it into the "Unanswered Questions" section of the lawofone.info site.

What I will do after we seem to exhaust the thread is to compile these into a list that we can use to discuss further, meditate upon for deeper insights, or to see if Carla would like to extend some of the lines of thought by asking Q'uo in one or more of her channeling sessions.

The most important thing to start with, of course, is the research itself. Different people seem to have identified their own uses for these unanswered questions, which is great! So proceeding with research first will help buy some time for us to determine where we'd like to go with the list when we're done. I realize my response is not conclusive at the moment, but do keep in mind the original intention of this small project was at first only to identify the dangling topics for reference. What we do with the material afterwords may end up being a fun exploration in itself.

Thank you all for your enthusiasm with this so far! I am really glad to hear that some of you find this new "angle" of reading one that brings a new round of enjoyment to some 'ol familiar text!

Steve

[Lavazza]

Something that's intrigued my geek sensibilities since reading the Law of One is the construction of the great pyramid. I don't mean to distract anyone from the bigger picture that the LOO presents with this topic, but the theme of the thread seems to allow it. The subject has been something of a stumbling block for me, as there is conflicting information from Ra and what modern archaeologists give us. For my own purposes, I have already 'left this behind' when it comes to my overall intake of what the LOO presents. However as a conscious and thinking entity, I still ponder it from time to time and feel confident that there is a way to rectify the two. Perhaps this thread is the means to do so! So, what does everyone think about this topic?

Ra tells us that the blocks for the construction of the pyramid were cut and moved in to place with thought. And that it was built with blocks to present the idea that it was made by humans. Modern day researchers tell us it was made by a voluntary group of workers who worked 10 hour days for 20 years. In 1990 graves near the pyramids were discovered, apparently part of the construction crew. Ra explains that the pyramid was built over-night, unless I have read it wrong. For a long time the standing theory was that it was built with a land ramp, but this has been shown to not be the case. Just recently as of last year there have been groups of people who have proposed the idea of an internal ramp- although I'm not sure how that works exactly. They're going to do some research to prove or disprove this notion sometime this year. One thing that the mainstream group has not sufficiently explained however is how it was constructed so fast. According to their numbers, I've read, each block would have had to been put in place every two and a half minutes. Anyone who has ever worked with another human on any project knows that nothing can be that streamlined. Also- the pyramid was built with surprising accuracy, down to mere milimeters in terms of angles.

One idea I had was that perhaps the information given by Ra about the pyramids was to act as something of a lamp post, or maybe a guard post. The information is right at the beginning of the Law of One text. Could it be perhaps that this was intentional, to 'weed out' the people who would not be open to accepting the information within the LOO as a whole? In other words, if the reader is open minded enough to accept that the pyramid of Giza was built with thought, they will be open to accepting anything else Ra has to say (or something of that nature). If that's the case, is the explanation of the pyramid metaphorical in nature? It certainly seems to be explained in detail if this is the case.

One thing I can say, this theory aside, is that if modern science has done anything consistently it's been shown to be wrong over and over again, in favor of new ideas. (you know, the world is round, not flat... the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around... etc) Not in all areas, but in many of them, and I'm certainly open to the idea of humanity being completely wrong about how it was built

[Lavazza]

Guys, I'm sorry to derail a little bit, but I've got to share an odd synchronicity that I just experienced. I'm sitting here thinking about pyramids, after finishing the above post. Confused of course, mulling the details over in my head, not finding conclusions. I'm listening to my iPod, and I switch to Radiohead's Amnesiac album. The second track in my playlist is called 'Pyramid Song'. Sort of surprised, I navigated to it and hit play. It plays two seconds and stops, then goes to the next song. I went back and tried playing it again and again, but it won't play, period. This almost never happens. Now I get curious and looked up the song on Wikipedia. Check this out, the lyrics for the song were inspired by three sources, 'Tibetan Book of the Dead', 'Egyptian Book of the Dead', and 'Siddhartha'. The song's lyrics are as follows:

I jumped in the river and what did I see?
Black-eyed angels swam with me
A moon full of stars and astral cars
All the figures I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and futures
And we all went to heaven in a little row boat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

What are the odds? I guess this is a cosmic smack to the head. I should probably consider putting the pyramid thing to rest.

[3D Sunset]

What are the odds? I guess this is a cosmic smack to the head. I should probably consider putting the pyramid thing to rest.

Hi Lavazza,

I've considered the pyramids and many other such references in LOO many times and developed the following hypothesis. First, as you mentioned, Ra says that any manifestation from outside our density such as the pyramids, UFOs, etc have always been presented ambiguously in order to preserve the free will of those encountering them.

Don Elkin's training as a scientist and his underlying need to prove things scientifically, I think, also molded some of the responses that Ra gave him. There are several places where Don ventures into transitory material and it almost sounds to me like Ra is going along with him and agreeing with his train of thought or line of questioning in order to maintain his free will to believe what he wants. As "observers" of the discussions after the fact, it is really impossible to know to what extent Ra was observing Don's conviction of an idea and feeding him what he expected to hear. I think this is especially true of transitory material. I think that it is much less an issue when dealing with non-transitory information, which was the real purpose of Ra's contact.

Based upon this hypothesis, I've taken the approach of reading any and all transitory material in the LOO, as well as Q'uo channelings as nothing more than interesting ideas or even science fiction (recalling that even science fiction can, with time, become science fact).

This is also why I especially tend to dismiss the more sensational parts of LOO. Not because I don't believe them, but because whether or not I believe them really has no bearing on my spiritual evolution and preparation for the Harvest.

So how were the pyramids made? I don't know and really don't care. I do believe that they are a source of wonder and were used for healing and initiation, and were inspired from an other-worldly source.

I also think this is the underlying message behind Q'uo's admonitions at the start of each session. 3rd density is a very complex web of interconnected, supportive and mutually exclusive individual realities, so I think it really is possible that some things can be factual reality for one person and mere fantasy for another. It is up to us to choose which is which.

Still, I do believe that there are certain immutable facts and laws that pertain to every individual existence. These are the golden nuggets in the LOO (and for that matter all Earthly religions), and LOO is particularly rich with them

Food for thought,

3D Sunset

[sos]

I am delighted to infinity for this topic on loose ends from the LOO material. During the likely hundreds of times I have read the books over and over since the early 80’s, I cannot count the times I found myself wanting more info on some of the things Ra said. I admit that a good many of these loose ends are of a very transient nature, and I apologize for burdening the members with some of them, but I can’t help it. It’s like an itch I’ve never been able to scratch. A saving grace is that some of the loose ends of concern more substantial things such as the archetypes. I’ll list some of them with the admission that they might be loose ends only to me since some of these things might have been subsequently covered in the Quo dialogs, which I haven’t followed nearly as closely. Anyway, here are some of them:
1. When Ra said those of Maldek incarnated as “bigfoot, was Ra referring to Neanderthals? It has to be since the timeframe fits so well.
2. As to the second race of bigfoots scattered about the earth “in deep forest”, where are these mysterious entities from since they have a high technological understanding.
3. The 5th density population of Venus – I assume they are positive, but Ra does not tie them very closely to earth interaction, or am I mistaken?
4. What 4th density planet did Jesus come here from as a wanderer, and where is he now. Don’t you wonder?
5. When Ra said our logos and “several neighboring logoi” chose the “second density apes” to invest, surely he didn’t mean to refer to all 3rd density entities in these galaxies. That would be a stretch, especially considering the entities from Sirius who “descended from second density vegetable” or trees.
That's only a small number of the superficial ones, and I apologize that it somewhat violates the intent of the string which dealt more with "law of confusion" loose ends. I’ll do the other ones in a subsequent post.

[Monica]

Something that's intrigued my geek sensibilities since reading the Law of One is the construction of the great pyramid. I don't mean to distract anyone from the bigger picture that the LOO presents with this topic, but the theme of the thread seems to allow it. The subject has been something of a stumbling block for me, as there is conflicting information from Ra and what modern archaeologists give us. For my own purposes, I have already 'left this behind' when it comes to my overall intake of what the LOO presents. However as a conscious and thinking entity, I still ponder it from time to time and feel confident that there is a way to rectify the two. Perhaps this thread is the means to do so! So, what does everyone think about this topic?

Ra tells us that the blocks for the construction of the pyramid were cut and moved in to place with thought. And that it was built with blocks to present the idea that it was made by humans. Modern day researchers tell us it was made by a voluntary group of workers who worked 10 hour days for 20 years. In 1990 graves near the pyramids were discovered, apparently part of the construction crew. Ra explains that the pyramid was built over-night, unless I have read it wrong. For a long time the standing theory was that it was built with a land ramp, but this has been shown to not be the case. Just recently as of last year there have been groups of people who have proposed the idea of an internal ramp- although I'm not sure how that works exactly. They're going to do some research to prove or disprove this notion sometime this year. One thing that the mainstream group has not sufficiently explained however is how it was constructed so fast. According to their numbers, I've read, each block would have had to been put in place every two and a half minutes. Anyone who has ever worked with another human on any project knows that nothing can be that streamlined. Also- the pyramid was built with surprising accuracy, down to mere milimeters in terms of angles.

One idea I had was that perhaps the information given by Ra about the pyramids was to act as something of a lamp post, or maybe a guard post. The information is right at the beginning of the Law of One text. Could it be perhaps that this was intentional, to 'weed out' the people who would not be open to accepting the information within the LOO as a whole? In other words, if the reader is open minded enough to accept that the pyramid of Giza was built with thought, they will be open to accepting anything else Ra has to say (or something of that nature). If that's the case, is the explanation of the pyramid metaphorical in nature? It certainly seems to be explained in detail if this is the case.

One thing I can say, this theory aside, is that if modern science has done anything consistently it's been shown to be wrong over and over again, in favor of new ideas. (you know, the world is round, not flat... the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around... etc) Not in all areas, but in many of them, and I'm certainly open to the idea of humanity being completely wrong about how it was built

Lavazza, I'd like to address these points (if no one minds the tangent).

First of all, I think it's important to remember that researchers are still trying to figure out how the pyramids were built. The last time I saw something on a science channel about the pyramids, they admitted that their explanations were long shots. Oftentimes, theories are presented with a slant in mainstream tv, so that the general public is given the impression that the 'theory' is factual when, in actuality, it's just a theory.

I remember their theory being much longer than 20 years...maybe you saw a more recent documentary.

But even at 20 years...it's still an impossible feat. I agree that 1 block every 2.5 minutes does not sound plausible...even with modern technology! And let's not forget that the blocks are so perfectly aligned that not even a razor blade can be inserted between any 2 blocks. I remember hearing the researchers say that even with modern technology, their precision could not easily be duplicated, if at all.

So, your statement Modern day researchers tell us it was made by a voluntary group of workers who worked 10 hour days for 20 years. is, in all likelihood, a theory, not a fact, regardless of how it was presented.

Then, let's look at the next statement: In 1990 graves near the pyramids were discovered, apparently part of the construction crew.

I think this statement is missing a key word: presumably.

A grave was discovered. But how could they possibly know that it was the construction crew? Why would the crew members have all died at the same time? Why would they have been buried together? Were they in an accident? How does that prove that they had anything to do with the pyramids? Maybe they were building some other structure nearby. There are many possibilities...the point being that its is nothing more than presumption that they were the construction crew of the pyramids.

A couple of years ago, I saw a documentary on Discovery Channel about some stone samples & photos being given to a group of researchers. They were not told that the samples came from the Great Pyramid.

The researchers concluded that the erosion of the stone was caused by water erosion.

They were then told that the stone samples came from the Great Pyramid. They were incredulous! They feverishly began retracting their earlier conclusions, because...it was clearly impossible for the erosion to have been caused by erosion, because everyone knows that there has not been any water in the Sahara Desert for at least 11,000 years. And, since the researchers knew that the pyramids were only 4000 years old, well, that surely means that their original conclusion was erroneous, right?

This shows just how strong biases can be, even among scientists, who pride themselves on their objectivity.

The conclusion of the documentary was that the original data met scientific standards; therefore the conclusion that the pyramids were indeed at least 12,000 years old, was established to be correct. However, it would take some time for this astounding news to be accepted by the scientific community.

This finding totally blows away all the preconceived ideas about how and when the pyramids were built...but guess what? It totally agrees with both Cayce and the LOO.

I don't think Ra was playing any games with the pyramid explanation. I am much more inclined to think that whatever science shows you saw, were in error. Just the documentary I saw, just that alone, already refutes the mainstream view anyway.

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Guys, I'm sorry to derail a little bit, but I've got to share an odd synchronicity that I just experienced. I'm sitting here thinking about pyramids, after finishing the above post. Confused of course, mulling the details over in my head, not finding conclusions. I'm listening to my iPod, and I switch to Radiohead's Amnesiac album. The second track in my playlist is called 'Pyramid Song'. Sort of surprised, I navigated to it and hit play. It plays two seconds and stops, then goes to the next song. I went back and tried playing it again and again, but it won't play, period. This almost never happens. Now I get curious and looked up the song on Wikipedia. Check this out, the lyrics for the song were inspired by three sources, 'Tibetan Book of the Dead', 'Egyptian Book of the Dead', and 'Siddhartha'. The song's lyrics are as follows:

I jumped in the river and what did I see?
Black-eyed angels swam with me
A moon full of stars and astral cars
All the figures I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and futures
And we all went to heaven in a little row boat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

What are the odds? I guess this is a cosmic smack to the head. I should probably consider putting the pyramid thing to rest.

Ah, but before you do that, please let me know what you think about my comments, just posted!

PS. I'm a Radioheadhead too.

[sos]

The Law of One, Book I, Session 12
Questioner: Are there any Confederation or Orion entities living upon the Earth and operating visibly among us in our society at this time?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no entities of either group walking among you at this time. However, the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the second, a kind of robot.

Questioner: Could you describe the robot?
Ra: I am Ra. The robot may look like any other being. It is a construct.

Questioner: Is the robot what is normally called the “Men in Black”?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.

Questioner: Who are the Men in Black?
Ra: I am Ra. The Men in Black are a thought-form type of entity which have some beingness to their make-up. They have certain physical characteristics given them. However, their true vibrational nature is without third-density vibrational characteristics and, therefore, they are able to materialize and dematerialize when necessary.

Questioner: Are all of these Men in Black then used by the Orion Crusaders?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
[/quote]

We never learned any more about them, and I'm not clear on the difference between a "construct" and a "thought form". Just an example off the top of my head.

3D Sunset


I have frequently wondered about this over the years as well. Recently, I ran across a book that I believe brought out examples of each in the best manner I've ever seen. It is "Hunt for the Skinwalker". In the book, there were 2 distinctly different types of obviously abnormal entities, and as I was reading it, I kept thinking, "So this is what Ra was talking about". The first type were creatures that apparently could appear and dissappear in a flash. The other took the form of animals that definitely had some solidity to them, because the guy on this ranch in Utah shot one of them and injured it, though it did not react in a typical way. These were giant wolves and other creatures. I'd have to guess that many of the black cat sightings would also fit in this category of robots or constructs. As oriented as we are to 3rd density conquest by physical destruction, we have to wonder what benefit it would be to Orion entities to send these things here to simple scare us. However, I don't think we can entirely grasp the nature of 4th density conquest which appears much more metaphysical and subtle and involves a lot of fear engendering.
SOS

[βαθμιαίος]

More dangling threads/things I'm curious about:

Is our sun a Logos or a sub-Logos? I'd always understood that it was/is a sub-Logos, but at the Archetypes Gathering in 2007 it became apparent that there are quotes that can be interpreted both ways. This may be similar to the galaxy/solar system issue.

Is there a central sun at the core of each galaxy? Our science, as far I know, only talks about black holes at the galactic cores but wouldn't it make more sense if there were massive central suns that corresponded to the original Logoi of the galaxies?

The original, now unnamed Yahweh -- is it a social memory complex? What density? Does the fact that it's now unnamed mean that it's begun the journey back to the Creator? If it's unnamed, why is it called Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh?

The usurping Yahweh -- is it a fourth-density negative social memory complex?

Is the story of David and Goliath a story of the battle between the Hebrews and those of Anak?

Why did sixth-density entities like Ra, those who helped Atlantis, and those who helped South America feel it necessary to intervene on a third-density planet at all? Wouldn't that normally be done by fourth-density entities?

Ra gave an example of how to use the first archetype, matrix of the mind, to call upon the new mind in order to move away from a state of mental over-activation. How would we use the other twenty-one archetypes? (This may be a question the Book IV study group could explore.)

This is transient but nonetheless interesting to me: the bases on the moon, in our skies, at the poles, in the Caribbean, off of South America: who uses them? Humans? The Orion group?

How is Don? Where is he now? Did his suicide mean that he had to re-commit to third-density experience? Or was it, like in Esmerelda Sweetwater, more of a self-sacrifice that released the fair maiden from the clutches of the evil villain?

Speaking of sacrifice: Ra said that Jesus incarnated for the purpose of martyrdom. Why? What did the soul that was Jesus gain by martyrdom? Did his death redeem the earth, as Christians believe?

[βαθμιαίος]

Another intriguing thread: (How would speaking about the purpose of mummification infringe upon basic energy balances between positive and negative on our planet??)

Questioner: Was there a purpose for mummification having to do with anything other than bodily burial?

Ra: I am Ra. Much as we would like to speak to you of this distortion of our designs in constructing the pyramid, we can say very little for the intent was quite mixed and the uses, though many felt them to be positive, were of a nonpositive order of generation. We cannot speak upon this subject without infringement upon some basic energy balances between the positive and negative forces upon your planet. It may be said that those offering themselves felt they were offering themselves in service-to-others.

With regards to the pyramids, Ra said that they built the larger pyramids but that others were built "with stone moved from one place to another." So the archeological finds may relate to the smaller pyramids.

[sos]

With regards to the pyramids, Ra said that they built the larger pyramids but that others were built "with stone moved from one place to another." So the archeological finds may relate to the smaller pyramids.
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Also with regard to the pyramids, there is a significant discrepancy between the age as given by Ra and by Edgar Cayce. Ra gave it as something like 8500 years and Cayce as about 10000 BC. Another mystery has to do with the Sphinx. Geologist Schoch says it is much older than the pyramids. But as to the mummification and the other anomalies such as the Mayan human sacrifice etc., I believe this occurred from the incursion of the negative entities and Orion influence that occurred after the confederation visits to these areas - thus the necessity for the confederation withdrawal. This is what always has happened and is still happenning with all of the goofy new age channelings about 2012, mass landings, ascension - almost all of it. Notice that Ra never used these terms.

[SilentThought]

In discussion about the victims of nuclear explosion of Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
it is mentioned that the entities needed help in re-integrating their
mind/body/spirit complexes. Otherwise they would have been lost. I would have
several further questions about this one.

Are there other events that may cause transition from 3rd density space/time to
time/space to be prevented? Was there a requirement for a quick response in
helping these souls in terms of 3rd density time after their death? Or could the
helping have been done at any later time? Are there instances where a 3rd
density soul would have been lost in the creation in a similar event? Or is
immortality such an unbreakable thing that loss of any part of creation will not
be allowed to happen? I certainly hope so!

Also this question is interesting when contrasting it to Christian dogma about
heaven and hell. One view of Christian hell is the absence of God and oblivion
of the soul. Can this really happen, or is it just one of the negative
influences in the bible? It certainly seems to conflict with many concepts from
LOO.

- SilentThought

[sos]

If I'm not mistaken, this disintegration is what hapened with the population of Maldek and might have been why it took so long to untangle the "knot of fear". But as to Maldek, I can't imagine that a planet would possess the technology to blow itself up into pieces. With the current technology of earth, we couldn't even come close to doing this. Annihilate all life sure, but disintegrate the planet? They must have been much further advanced than earth.

[3D Sunset]

In discussion about the victims of nuclear explosion of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is mentioned that the entities needed help in re-integrating their mind/body/spirit complexes. Otherwise they would have been lost. I

Hi SilentThought,

This is an interesting topic and one that I've given some thought to. Ra indicated that such a direct contact with uncontrolled Intelligent Energy can indeed completely disintegrate the mind/body/spirit. Let's review (emphases added):

Ra Book I, Session 26
Questioner: Then what you did, I am assuming, is to create an air of mystery with the UFO phenomenon, as we call it, and then by telepathy send many messages which could be accepted or rejected under the Law of One so that the population would start thinking seriously about the consequences of what it was doing. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. There are other services we may perform. Firstly, the integration of souls or spirits, if you will, in the event of use of these nuclear devices in your space/time continuum. This the Confederation has already done.

Questioner: I don’t fully understand what you mean by that. Could you expand on that a little bit?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of intelligent energy transforming matter into energy is of such a nature among these weapons that the transition from space/time third density to time/space third density or what you may call your heaven worlds is interrupted in many cases.

Therefore, we are offering ourselves as those who continue the integration of soul or spirit complex during transition from space/time to time/space.

Questioner: Could you give us an example from Hiroshima or Nagasaki of how this is done?

Ra: I am Ra. Those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. This would be the loss to the Creator of part of the Creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. This we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic Infinite One.

This exchange is intersting to me for several reasons.

First the question is what would actually have been lost. I understand Ra to say that the individual soul's experiences of that incarnation would have been lost, but not those of any previous lives or other portion of the higher self. Sort of like losing all the credits for a semester of college as though it never happened. Clearly not a good thing, but not catastrophoc either. Still, it was serious enough that the Confederation allowed some amount of interraction during the death process of those individuals to prevent the loss.

This exchange also implies some amount of "time hopping" by those of the Confederation around the time of the Hiroshima and possibly Nagasaki blasts. Note the use of tenses in the last paragraph "Those who were destroyed...found ... a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, ... to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration". Thus stating that the souls were, in fact, disinegrated. Immediately afterward though, Ra states "This we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic Infinite One." So the Confederation apparently went back and adjusted things so that the souls were not actually destroyed. Thus allowing the disarangement to have both happened and, simultaneously, to have been avoided.

3D Sunset

[Monica]

Wow, 3D, thanks so much for clarifying that! Now when I read it, it makes perfect sense, but when I read it the 1st time, I found it very disconcerting, in light of the fact that nuclear weapons are still out there. I now feel comforted.

[βαθμιαίος]

This may need to be its own thread, but I disagree about the seriousness of what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ra says that those who were destroyed by the energy release found their spirit complexes "to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration."

To me, that doesn't sound like the loss of just one lifetime's experiences.

When Don asks if the fact that Ra is able to reintegrate souls who die by nuclear energy release makes it no more traumatic than death by a bullet, Ra says no, it would be more traumatic. But the entity would remain an entity.

I read that to mean that absent Ra's reintegration of the destroyed spirit complex, the entity would no longer be an entity.

In a like vein, Ra says that some of our weapons "redound to the last echoes of potential destruction."

[3D Sunset]

This may need to be its own thread, but I disagree about the seriousness of what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ra says that those who were destroyed by the energy release found their spirit complexes "to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration."

To me, that doesn't sound like the loss of just one lifetime's experiences.

When Don asks if the fact that Ra is able to reintegrate souls who die by nuclear energy release makes it no more traumatic than death by a bullet, Ra says no, it would be more traumatic. But the entity would remain an entity.

I read that to mean that absent Ra's reintegration of the destroyed spirit complex, the entity would no longer be an entity.

In a like vein, Ra says that some of our weapons "redound to the last echoes of potential destruction."

Hi βαθμιαίος (I could use some help with the pronunciation here),

I'm not really sure if there's anything to disagree about. I never meant to imply that it wasn't a serious issue. Indeed, I agree that Ra indicated that without their help the spirit complexes would have been disintegrated.

There is, as is frequently the case with Ra, some room for interpretation of what exactly he meant by the phrase "unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex" when he refers to what was "completely disarranged" by the blast. To me, this is addressing the spirit complex that is a portion of the Higher Self and is tied into the unique 3D mind/body of that incarnation. This gets into an entirely different discussion about the relationship between the Higher Self, or ageless spirit and the "spirit" of an incarnational instance of the Higher Self. Some people believe that they are one in the same, I am of the opinion that there are a number of spirits, simultaneously at various levels of spiritual evolution distinct from the spirit of the 3D mind/body/spirit complex and the Higher self. Distinct from, yet wholely conatined in the Higher Self. (Sorry, if this is getting rather esoteric).

As a simple example of why I feel this way, I find it absolutely incomprehensible that the Higher Self would be remotely affected by it's 3D incarnation's proximity to a nuclear bomb. Thus, we are left with the question "what is the 'spirit' portion of the 3D mind/body/spirit complex that would have been disintegrated"? I bellieve that it is just that, a spirit fragment or holographic instance of that portion of the Higher Self that is appropriate for the incarnation. Hence my analogy to losing all the work of a single semester in college if that spirit is disintegrated. On another level, it's a moot question since we do have those of the Confederation and Ra looking out for us, just in case our worldly leaders get too aggresive with the Bomb or some other human made application of Intellegent Energy.

I would be delighted, however, to continue this in it's own thread if you'd like to have further dialog.

All the best,

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