Consciousness Unmoved

[Unbound]

Aha Do not worry about crystals so much yet, they won't be of much use to you except in a proximal manner.

As for your energy, there is a very simple exercise you can do to get in to the "mode" of it. Rub your hands together and warm them up well and then place them palm to palm about an inch a part and you should feel the space between them begin to vibrate. This sort of energy feeling is fundamental energy manipulation. Play with it, your energy will move in the fashion you intend it to, I like to play with mine as though it is a sort of sticky playdough that I can kneed and densify.

[Conifer16]

Aha Do not worry about crystals so much yet, they won't be of much use to you except in a proximal manner.

As for your energy, there is a very simple exercise you can do to get in to the "mode" of it. Rub your hands together and warm them up well and then place them palm to palm about an inch a part and you should feel the space between them begin to vibrate. This sort of energy feeling is fundamental energy manipulation. Play with it, your energy will move in the fashion you intend it to, I like to play with mine as though it is a sort of sticky playdough that I can kneed and densify.

I felt warmth and vibration but then it just goes away without doing anything and I tried focusing on the energy being more thick but nothing happened(it just felt like air was in-between the hands). And there was little to none tactile feedback other then vibration and that was vibration of the actual hands.( that was just a Quick update on what happened when I tried that not a that doesnt work so ha kind of thing)

Thanks,
Conifer16
Adonai Vasu Borragus

[Unbound]

It IS the vibration, my friend. Keep FEELING. Do not focus with your mind, focus with your hands.

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Ah yes, this man is whom I was thinking of that I need to look at about learning the Merkaba Meditation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunvalo_Melchizedek


"Drunvalo describes Merkaba meditation as creating a 55-foot-wide (17 m) energy field around the body with two counter-rotating tetrahedronsspinning at about 90% of the speed of light. Drunvalo writes that the energy from the Merkaba field is strong enough that it has routinely set off radars and electromagnetic monitoring equipment resulting in visits from helicopters sent to investigate in the middle of his workshops.[3] He describes how he and groups he has worked with have been able to amplify intention through their Merkaba fields and for example create clean air for several miles around them, visible in the skies above them, by the ring of polluted air beyond."

[Conifer16]

It IS the vibration, my friend. Keep FEELING. Do not focus with your mind, focus with your hands.

Ok I kinda felt something that time it was like a heat but when I wanted the heat to be more dense it was slightly harder to move my fingers through. All this hand stuff reminds me of when I was younger I really liked dragonball Z and so tried to form a ball of yellow energy in my hand to see what power rank I was(lol) and after a few minutes I tried to put my hands together but they would not go it was like I was holding a invisible ball and it took real effort to put my hands together and after I did they would go together fine and so after that I thought I had discovered a way to creat magnetic fields in between my palms and was super exited because I had done something and was well on my way to flying. So I still haven't flown but I have come quite a ways in my understanding of life and why we are here. And so I find it pretty funny that I am back to creating energy in-between my palms and trying to do stuff with it.

Thanks,
Conifer16
Adonai Vasu Borragus

Now I am going to bed good night and may all those who read this post be happy

[Unbound]

That is EXACTLY right. Dragon Ball Z is actually an inspiration for me as well, it is actually quite accurate in its concept of Ki, which is the bodily energy you are attempting to realize at this point. Don't think, just do, let your thoughts give way to the movement of the energy. The energy is all you, you are simply extending your etheric form.

[Conifer16]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunvalo_Melchizedek


"Drunvalo describes Merkaba meditation as creating a 55-foot-wide (17 m) energy field around the body with two counter-rotating tetrahedronsspinning at about 90% of the speed of light. Drunvalo writes that the energy from the Merkaba field is strong enough that it has routinely set off radars and electromagnetic monitoring equipment resulting in visits from helicopters sent to investigate in the middle of his workshops.[3] He describes how he and groups he has worked with have been able to amplify intention through their Merkaba fields and for example create clean air for several miles around them, visible in the skies above them, by the ring of polluted air beyond."
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Wow! That is amazing. Do you think that I or you or anyone could just imagine a 55 foot energy field spinning that fast and creat it or do you think we would have to go through the specific meditative process? Because what I read is daunting to try and memorize.

[Unbound]

Aha It takes a certain degree of focus, intention and visualization to do such a thing. Sure anyone can do it, but it must be learned in the same way you must learn and hone any other skill.

[Namaste]

I had a very strong (I nearly passed out, it was combined with the infinite nature of reality) vision once of how we draw both space and time through our consciousness; it flows through us, and we do remain 'fixed' (as such). When you're driving down a highway, you're drawing the universe through you, you are not moving through it. The more positive you are (joyful, grateful, loving) the faster it is drawn through you, too. The faster it's drawn through you, the more energy you have, and the greater power you have for self healing and manifestation.

This is linked to being in the now, by the way. As the now is within you, not an external element of the universe you walk towards :¬)

Regarding teleportation: this snippet from Bashar is very interesting.

[Unbound]

PERFECT! I have to look at this Bashar channeling more, thank you for the resource. This is precisely the sort of thing I was trying to get at about the constant "redrawing" of reality in every moment.

[AnthroHeart]

I've only seen a glimpse of Dragonball Z, so can't comment on that. But yeah, I've done exercises to build up spiritual mass in my hands, and then use it to counterbalance my own field. It wasn't flying, but it could displace my mass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1NIG_BpfIM

I've gotten really close to the feeling of levitation. When I raised my vibration, I had the sensation of the density of my field increasing. It felt like I was underwater. There is shorter feedback between the Universe and the mind in this case, so thoughts have more influence. However I never levitated. But it felt close.

I don't really have much to say on the subject of the Merkabah. I haven't used it much, as I hadn't really had a desire to teleport or travel. Much more interested in manifesting objects out of the Field. Haven't really manifested more than sensations of touch and some taste.

My YouTube channel has a lot of info on using zero-point energy devices and sacred geometry.

Yeah, I agree we recreate our reality at every moment. But there's the inertia of the collective to overcome, hence us not being able to just immediately create our own "perfect" Universe.

Conifer, I don't try to visualize the merkabah spinning. Actually hadn't considered that before. But you could just have the intention that it is spinning that fast without really trying to observe it doing such. It would be too fast to perceive anyway.

Interesting that he says 55 foot. When I was building one of my energy devices, I had the intuition to make the pipes 5.5" in length.

Much Love and Light,

- Gemini Wolf

[Conifer16]

So basically we are actually "teleporting" every time we move. Also I just listened to Ptahh transmissions on the sons of the Law of One podcast and I noticed that both Bashar and Ptahh say do you understand and stuff like that often. It just popped out to me and is just a side note. So my thought is since we are "teleporting" or redrawing as Azreal put it ever time we move Shouldn't we be able to have our arm at our sides and then by changing the vibrations of that arm have it raised in less then the blink of an eye? Or the rest of our body? I mean if we do it so naturally without even realizing it then it should be fairly easy to move the whole body. Also for a long time I have been fascinated by how our arms and fingers move seemingly without the thought to move them, like I am typing this post but all I am thinking about is what to type not move thumb up and to the right then go down and press the key. It happens instantly so.. Ok I recently had a thought(while writing this post) that was somehow supposed to connect the redrawing of reality with the instantaneous movement of our arm without any apparent thought but I have forgotten and the thought is staying just out of reach.darn.lol. So umm just I guess this is just a post to write out some of my thoughts and perhaps continue this conversation. I just reread this post and the thought is still out of reach.

Thanks,
Conifer16
Adonai Vasu Borragus

[Unbound]

Ah, you see some movements as such are the result of energy, not the thought. The intelligent energy within us is much more quick to respond than thought. The thought is only the "significator" if you were to put it that way, it is that which conceptualizes the movement. Indeed, we are "teleporting" with every movement, and here we actually see a secret as to the speed and movement of masters, especially those of the martial degree.

[unity100]

Questioner: Could you elaborate please on the nature and quality of the matrix and the potentiator?
Ra: I am Ra. In the mind complex the matrix may be described as consciousness. It has been called the Magician. It is to be noted that of itself consciousness is unmoved. The potentiator of consciousness is the unconscious. This encompasses a vast realm of potential in the mind.

I think this is very interesting to note, the fact that our consciousness does not move. This means that every feeling of motion is in fact just part of the illusion. At no point are we going anywhere, our complex stays unmoved at all times and instead we alter our perception, literally bending time and space, around us. We move the universe around us, depth is only a perceptual mechanism. In truth, even if you were to look out across a great plain or as far as your eyes can see everything is no farther than before your minds eye.

This is found in Session 78.

you seem to be misinterpreting it.

this talk passes during the discussion of archetypes, and the mover/moved situations.

the passage says, consciousness, is of itself, unmoved. stale.

the potentiator of consciousness - which happens to be the unconscious, is what causes the consciousness to move. in short, consciousness moves and acts only with the propagation of unconscious.

[Unbound]

Please read the thread, I agree with you and have stated as such, but the external movement is only illusory, holographic and that is my point. The only actual movement is the energy within you.

Forgive my first post for being rather more vague than necessary.

[unity100]

Please read the thread, I agree with you and have stated as such, but the external movement is only illusory, holographic and that is my point. The only actual movement is the energy within you.

this is a longer topic.

i had expressed that i dont subscribe to this 'holographic' or 'illusion' propositions.

there is no 'illusion' -> the extent of 'reality' that was discovered, is as thus. there is no other 'reality' concept that was discovered. all these referrals of 'reality' are being made to future points in continuum. future doesnt make today unreal, just like how today had not made yesterday unreal. everything is as real as it can be at their given point in continuum.

[Unbound]

I don't think we're quite on the same page. Illusion in no way suggests "unreal" to me, merely that it is an amalgamate of forces. I rather take the definition of illusion to mean a distortion of the senses. Which, in my opinion, is exactly what is happening. Even science shows that we have considerably limited senses, and the purpose of many kinds of training, spiritual, physical and mental all involve the heightening of these senses. Then things like Kabbalah work to open up the Sixth sense. I think you're taking illusion in the manner of a "magic trick", when really it simply implies that there is a multi-layered sensual world of which we are only experiencing a limited relationship with, due to our own ability or inability to "detect" and comprehend it.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that things "are as they are", but this is only because the moment of discovery will never be in the same moment of seeking! Or if it's all the same moment, then discovering this reality and seeking this reality are really the same thing! What I am getting at is the nature of the moment itself, my friend. There is only this moment, which means there is no time, which inextricably insists that there is no true space, but instead light conforms to a series of ratios in relation to the point of reference, e.g., the observer. Since we know we are self and other-self (superfluously to say) we can also assume that we are a single observer, observing itself, from a fractal perspective point. If you were to imagine consciousness looking out through a many faceted jewel I think the analogy would suffice.

Of course, these are just fanciful theories! Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, which, ultimately constitute their experiential reality. Love and light, brother, blessings, adonai.

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Oh, I suppose I should also include the fact that it's a 4th dimensional jewel, so it is both within and without itself.

[unity100]

if there was just one observer, there couldnt be a many-natured existence. if there is a many-natured existence, it means many-naturedness is also a property of infinity as equally as 'one'. one cannot be prioritized over another, lest infinity may end up not being infinite.

so therefore - 'none of these exist, there is only one' proposition falls short. all of these exist, and all of these are interconnected.

[Unbound]

Ah, YES they are as equally a property as "one" within infinite. Infinite could be made of infinite 9's in the same way it could be made of infinite 1's. Within infinity all quantities can be broken down, it does not truly matter. Infinite denotes continuance and permanence, not quantification.

I am not arguing the existence of these things, I am discussing the nature of our individual perception of that existence. There IS one observer, as I said, that is 4 dimensional. SO it perceives both that which is within itself, and that which is outside of itself. Here, in third dimension, what is inside has been obscured by the veil. Think of when Ra speaks of self, and other-self. We are all the same self. We are one observer observing itself in fractal. In this case I refer to our Earth consciousness, which IS our consciousness, each and every one of us is thinking from the mind of the Earth. The Archetypal Mind is organized by the sub-Logos which fractals further in to planetary consciousness, sub-sub-Logoi, and then to sub-sub-sub-Logoi, etc, but it is A, ONE, Archetypal Mind. We are not separate within the confines of our minds, as much as you may want to hold on to the notion that you have your own little individual mind that is free from all others.

Of course, this is your limitation to choose, to divide yourself from the rest, but in truth we are all one observing itself from a fractal perspective. Of course there are many people outside of me and I am only One. We are each and every one a Zero point, projecting in to infinity, but there is only one zero-point, undivided. Close your eyes, you'll see what I mean, there is truly nothing in front of you or anywhere else. When the light stops, so does the VISION. Only the VISUAL APPEARANCE of third dimension is illusory. This is because its essence is in the mind, in your memory. When you close your eyes you are changing the mechanism of your visual creation, giving it a new backdrop which is no longer limitless.

What do you see when your eyes are closed, Unity?

[unity100]

Ah, YES they are as equally a property as "one" within infinite. Infinite could be made of infinite 9's in the same way it could be made of infinite 1's. Within infinity all quantities can be broken down, it does not truly matter. Infinite denotes continuance and permanence, not quantification.

the part you are missing about what i am saying is that, neither 'one' or 'many' can be attributed to infinity.

What do you see when your eyes are closed, Unity?

a lot of things, all in front of a background of water, a wavy sea.

[Unbound]

Why not? Of course infinity is a broader concept, but both Oneness and Manyness are facets of Infinity, they must be if you want to make any sort of quantitative association within it. To be Infinite would be both to be one and everything, everything denoting manyness of infinite quantities, and one being the ultimate quality of infinity. The thing about infinity is because it is limitless it can be said to be "perfect", complete. This makes it a Unity, which is the One. Now, a fun thing about what Ra describes is Intelligent Infinity. Since Infinity is a whole concept, we can denote that Infinity itself is a "thing" of sorts, perhaps the most archetypal thing possible. However, if it is Intelligent, this means it must have awareness of itself, it knows what is going on to an infinite degree. If it is aware of its infinite nature, it must also be aware of its fractal, finite nature, which consists of manyness. All comes from the Intelligent Infinity of the One Infinite Creator, but you cannot create without a variance of mediums.

Well, that's the exact same thing you see when your eyes are open, except you have painted yourself over it.

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Of course, I am interested to hear why you do not think these things are facets of infinity.

[unity100]

Why not? Of course infinity is a broader concept, but both Oneness and Manyness are facets of Infinity, they must be if you want to make any sort of quantitative association within it. To be Infinite would be both to be one and everything, everything denoting manyness of infinite quantities, and one being the ultimate quality of infinity. The thing about infinity is because it is limitless it can be said to be "perfect", complete. This makes it a Unity, which is the One. Now, a fun thing about what Ra describes is Intelligent Infinity. Since Infinity is a whole concept, we can denote that Infinity itself is a "thing" of sorts, perhaps the most archetypal thing possible. However, if it is Intelligent, this means it must have awareness of itself, it knows what is going on to an infinite degree. If it is aware of its infinite nature, it must also be aware of its fractal, finite nature, which consists of manyness. All comes from the Intelligent Infinity of the One Infinite Creator, but you cannot create without a variance of mediums.

Well, that's the exact same thing you see when your eyes are open, except you have painted yourself over it.

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Of course, I am interested to hear why you do not think these things are facets of infinity.

any state that is not infinity itself, cannot be infinity. therefore 'the union of one and many' is also something that cannot describe infinity. for at the state infinity, all of those terms, and their union, become meaningless.

[Unbound]

Yes, but as you say infinity is a state, and it is a state which encompasses all states, so thus it is a Unity. Don't get me wrong, obviously the union of one and many cannot be said to equal infinity, however you can still refer to infinity as a One Infinity. Now, if we wanted to start talking about Two Infinity, maybe Three Infinity, or many Infinity Infinity... well, maybe I'm getting carried away. I feel that "infinity" is in and of itself a limitation ultimately and there is something even greater than mere Infinitude. Infinity describes the Infinite Creator by all means, but from whence did this Creator come, from what mechanism came creation?

[unity100]

Yes, but as you say infinity is a state, and it is a state which encompasses all states, so thus it is a Unity.

i am trying to communicate it, therefore i have used the misnomer state. actually, there is nothing that can be said about infinity that could be accurate. the best description of infinity is silence. however in that case there would be no communication in between us.

therefore, 'a state which encompasses all states, a unity' proposition, a proposition that is comprised of 4 different concepts inside itself, fails at each and every of those concepts and their summation in attempting to describe infinity.

[Unbound]

Well what would be the difference between active infinity and potential infinity? I suppose it's both at the same time...

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So how would you explain the fact that infinity is a state, yet everything finite is derived from infinity. How can infinity be comprised of anything other than infinity?

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[Unbound]

Ra says here something about:

The Matrix of the Mind is that which reaches just as the kinetic phase of intelligent infinity, through free will, reaches for the Logos or, in the case of the mind/body/spirit complex the sub-sub-Logos which is the free will potentiated being-ness of the mind/body/spirit complex; to intelligent infinity, Love, and all that follows from that Logos; to the Matrix or, shall we say, the conscious, waiting self of each entity, the Love or the sub-sub-Logos spinning through free will all those things which may enrich the experience of the Creator by the Creator.

So intelligent infinity has phases, so we know that the combination of infinity and intelligence makes a clear difference, if infinity itself could be best described as silence.

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Seems to basically describe that we expand to infinity every moment and then collapse.

Actually, in the book Stalking the Wild Pendulum by Itzhak Bentov posits that we do this roughly 12 times per second. This book is highly recommended as a discussion on the mechanics of consciousness.

[3DMonkey]

Seems to basically describe that we expand to infinity every moment and then collapse.

Thank you for finally saying that

Infinity is 'born' every instant, infinitely small is infinitely large, inward and outward.

Infinity is required to come into being. Its possibility brings to 'life' a cell. The cell that was a second ago, now, and next.

[unity100]

Well what would be the difference between active infinity and potential infinity? I suppose it's both at the same time...

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there is none - because infinity cannot be active or potential.

i think you are meaning to say potentiated infinity. which becomes infinity becoming aware, therefore gaining a potential. infinity becoming aware is not infinity, but intelligent infinity.

So how would you explain the fact that infinity is a state, yet everything finite is derived from infinity. How can infinity be comprised of anything other than infinity?

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everything is derived from infinite intelligence. it is one level below infinity. infinity, as you say, is still infinity at that point, and there is no state, situation, adjective or nature that can be attributed to that.

even if we say that infinity is a collection and unification of everything that exists, AND their counterparts (including not existing), the resulting 'state' becomes impossible to attribute anything to - because, the moment something and its counterpart merges, they nullify each other entirely and neither becomes true.

So intelligent infinity has phases, so we know that the combination of infinity and intelligence makes a clear difference, if infinity itself could be best described as silence.

infinity doesnt combine with intelligence. intelligence is something 'within' infinity, along with its counterpart, say, 'unintelligence'.

intelligent infinity is a state below infinity.

[3DMonkey]

Something I find interesting.

Unity100's concept of infinity is that "nothing said to describe infinty can be accurate". This immediately makes everything you say about infinity fall short.

I, on the otherhand, have a concept of infinity in which I would see ANYthing said to describe infinity as being completely accurate. How could it be wrong if it 'IS'?

[Unbound]

I'm with you Monkey, I don't feel infinity is the end all.

I see your point, with Infinity being a maximal state, however what you've described is infinity only as an idea. If Infinity is above Infinite Intelligence then how has Intelligence been established? I don't see how these things are different. That's what it seems to me, is you're making separating distinctions between "levels" of infinity which to me seems like an absolute distortion.

Also, I would remind you that true simultaneity DOES exist, so stating that two concepts "nullify" eachother is in fact false, because within Infinity they co-exist happily. I don't believe in this kind of "cancellation" of concepts, especially not when considering Infinity! The way I see it, you're taking the "glass half full" approach. Rather, I think that if you accumulate everything together it is in fact ALL true, and there is no Untruth to be found.

I would ask you where you came to your conclusions of the "levels" of infinity, and I'm curious as to how Infinity came to be. If Infinity encompasses both existence and non-existence (whatever THAT is...) it must have some purpose. Perhaps describing it visually is futile considering our low dimension and rather a description via function is more appropriate, ergo the misnomer The One Infinite Creator, or the Source. Hm?

[unity100]

I'm with you Monkey, I don't feel infinity is the end all.

end, and beginning are just concepts with their exact opposite counterparts within the existing parts of infinity, and therefore they are also invalid for describing it.

I see your point, with Infinity being a maximal state, however what you've described is infinity only as an idea. If Infinity is above Infinite Intelligence then how has Intelligence been established?

that is a good question. infinity 'becoming' intelligent in lower level, would mean that there is a complementary counterpart to infinite intelligence.

'how has it been established' -> separation of infinite intelligence and its opposite complementary counterpart.

Also, I would remind you that true simultaneity DOES exist, so stating that two concepts "nullify" eachother is in fact false, because within Infinity they co-exist happily. I don't believe in this kind of "cancellation" of concepts, especially not when considering Infinity! The way I see it, you're taking the "glass half full" approach. Rather, I think that if you accumulate everything together it is in fact ALL true, and there is no Untruth to be found.

the existence of something is only evident and real with its effect. if, entire effect of something, even a concept, is totally and utterly nullified, than that concept/thing can not exist. it is nonexistent.

things can exist, only as long as they are separate with their complementary counterparts.

I would ask you where you came to your conclusions of the "levels" of infinity, and I'm curious as to how Infinity came to be. If Infinity encompasses both existence and non-existence (whatever THAT is...) it must have some purpose.

'purpose' and 'purposelessness' are also things that complement each other. none is valid for infinity.

and the conclusion is easy and straightforward once you start thinking incessantly about infinity.

Perhaps describing it visually is futile considering our low dimension and rather a description via function is more appropriate, ergo the misnomer The One Infinite Creator, or the Source. Hm?

misnomer of course, because anything with an adjective cannot be infinity. if, the 'creator' was infinite, it would not be creating, and it would have created everything and it would have destroyed everything. since it is in a process of creating, it is not infinite. it can only be said that, it is infinite in regard to time and space - which in turn are just concepts in infinity.


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'eternal mystery' is a good, however still totally invalid description for infinity.