Is meditation a STS act?

[βαθμιαίος]

of course it's love.

This orange- and yellow-ray activity involves control and manipulation to such an extent that it opens indigo ray, bypassing green and blue. Zenmaster has made the case that it's love in the sense of the second distortion. Is that what you mean, too?

[Namaste]

A very interesting thread.

For the record, I do not think that 'yellow ray love' is possible, as love, in the terms of human emotion (compassion/acceptance etc.), is a product of an activated green ray.

Yellow ray love could be described as a selfishness, rooted in the negative polarity, as it's for the benefit of the self. Those with an active green ray can of course share love with those rooted, or circumstances involving, yellow ray consciousness.

Love, in the sense of the primary distortion, in my opinion, is ineffable to the human mind, and better suited to objective technical definitions, rather than subjective experience.

[3DMonkey]

A very interesting thread.

For the record, I do not think that 'yellow ray love' is possible, as love, in the terms of human emotion (compassion/acceptance etc.), is a product of an activated green ray.

Yellow ray love could be described as a selfishness, rooted in the negative polarity, as it's for the benefit of the self. Those with an active green ray can of course share love with those rooted, or circumstances involving, yellow ray consciousness.

It is my opinion that potentiated green ray energy can express compassion/acceptance via any of the activated rays.

It's not essential to reconcile our perspectives, in my opinion, but ... for the record.

[zenmaster]

A very interesting thread.

For the record, I do not think that 'yellow ray love' is possible, as love, in the terms of human emotion (compassion/acceptance etc.), is a product of an activated green ray.

Yellow ray love could be described as a selfishness, rooted in the negative polarity, as it's for the benefit of the self. Those with an active green ray can of course share love with those rooted, or circumstances involving, yellow ray consciousness.

Love, in the sense of the primary distortion, in my opinion, is ineffable to the human mind, and better suited to objective technical definitions, rather than subjective experience.

Green ray doesn't get activated until many incarnations in 3D. There is the love of family, tribe, etc as far as a 'logos' identification.. that's yellow ray love - yes, it's 'selfish', but not necessarily 'negative' as it doesn't necessarily serve the negative polarization until there is a choice possible and a willed repression of what may be allowed. It's a part of the longer 3D development that lays the groundwork for acceptance.

Also what we often tend to call 'compassion' is often confused with simple sympathy, protective instinct, emotional need, or other non-polarized behavior. You can tell if it's actually compassion due to lack predication on attachment, desire, identification (dependence on something external) or other circumstantial condition.

The primary distortion 'love' is 'intelligent energy'. This everything is 'love'. It is both the influencer and the influenced.

[3DMonkey]

"Also what we often tend to call 'compassion' is often confused with simple sympathy, protective instinct, emotional need, or other non-polarized behavior. You can tell if it's actually compassion due to lack predication on attachment, desire, identification (dependence on something external) or other circumstantial condition."

So, zen, would you agree that all these expressions are yellow Ray activation and that they facilitate a "leap into the center of green Ray (a basic, not a primary, Ray)"?

[Namaste]

3DM - that is where we differ. I am of the notion that each energy ray is a seat for particular aspects of consciousness (and hence, behaviour). Showing love in a yellow ray circumstance is not the green via the yellow, rather yellow and green. Hence any and all thoughts, words and deeds have their own energy ray balance and polarisation (as with each m/b/s complex).

Zen - to make sure we're on the same page, could you confirm your notion of activation? Do you mean even the slightest trickle, or a full, open flow through that ray? I would also like to repeat that I'm talking of green ray love, not that of the primary distortion, as in that case, we can deduce that everything is love.

[3DMonkey]

Only, I don't want to overlook the energy provided by potentiation. Manifestations in our reality come from both, activated and potentiated.

Iam pouring over the material, and the idea that we begin our incarnation fully potentiated is quite interesting. Also, the idea that full activation of one ray creates a full potentiation of another ray, and this is achieved progress. Quite interesting.

It is still a learning process for me. Sometimes I think we slip into speaking of rays as though we are aware of them. As though when we communicate we consciously think "yellow yellow yellow red red orange yellow blue blue yellow red red red"

[Namaste]

Only, I don't want to overlook the energy provided by potentiation. Manifestations in our reality come from both, activated and potentiated.

Iam pouring over the material, and the idea that we begin our incarnation fully potentiated is quite interesting. Also, the idea that full activation of one ray creates a full potentiation of another ray, and this is achieved progress. Quite interesting.

It is still a learning process for me. Sometimes I think we slip into speaking of rays as though we are aware of them. As though when we communicate we consciously think "yellow yellow yellow red red orange yellow blue blue yellow red red red"

It is very interesting indeed! It's also important to remember that we each form our own beliefs depending on what we've both read and experienced. Our own truths, from a combination of intellect and wisdom, individual to us all. My own thoughts here are offered from my own experience of living that which is the Law of One. I value wisdom (direct learning through experience), over intellect (indirect learning via the word of others). That includes the indirect learning of the Ra Material. Some of the technicalities sound marvellous, but until I experience them consciously, their weight in my day-to-day life are minimal (post generating the excitement in seeking/learning).

We're all learning brother, all the time :¬)

For what it's worth, I often get an intuitive sense of the dominant rays when interacting with people, they 'feel' different. Often confirmed later by their use of language (both syntax and semantics) and offered notions. Meditating at different consciousness centres can help fine tune the detector (I am by no means an expert, a novice, rather) :¬)

[Ankh]

...Love and Light are the two fundamental ingredients of the Universe. Light is energy and, we know from Physics, can be in the form of matter. The other necessary part is Love, which gives matter its consciousness.

I thought it was beautifully said, Lee. It reminded me of one statement that I read in a book called "Saved by the light" by Dannion Brinkley, which is about NDE. When Dannion died, he met a Light Being who radiated love and non judgemental compassion, and who said to Dannion: "Who you are is the difference that God makes. And that difference is love."

[zenmaster]

"Also what we often tend to call 'compassion' is often confused with simple sympathy, protective instinct, emotional need, or other non-polarized behavior. You can tell if it's actually compassion due to lack predication on attachment, desire, identification (dependence on something external) or other circumstantial condition."

So, zen, would you agree that all these expressions are yellow Ray activation and that they facilitate a "leap into the center of green Ray (a basic, not a primary, Ray)"?

Yes, that's 'third density' catalyst. It's 'designed' to intensely promote a 'choice' - to individuate from the collective unconscious, status quo, which help supply the compelling illusion of different possibilities and opportunities for expression of self - these things are the 'yellow ray' condition. At some point, if this catalyst is used, the individual recognizes that from which it developed and either learns to exploit and intensify this same power for control and domination. Or accept others in this drama as same as self, as necessarily being on the same ontological level, coming from same place and going to same place. As the Tao says, the throne is raised but it is not seized - that's 'green ray'.

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Zen - to make sure we're on the same page, could you confirm your notion of activation? Do you mean even the slightest trickle, or a full, open flow through that ray? I would also like to repeat that I'm talking of green ray love, not that of the primary distortion, as in that case, we can deduce that everything is love.

The ray activation is dependent on what mind has provided for spirit to actualize. If those thoughts (not 'thinking'), but what has been accepted to allow for experience, in mind, are of a green-ray nature then that 'activates' green. Many people unconsciously 'reach up' or are drawn towards green, like a plant towards light, because it is means for our spiritual nature to actualize. There is a promise of fullness or abundance therein. For example, that which is accepted without expectation or desire for compensation, or with reservation, or with hope/fear.

For activation, it must be the slightest trickle, otherwise a pet would not be able to activate it. The full flow and then the balance through that ray would be rare in 3D, because that would mean that one had managed to exhaust much of available 3D catalyst which must be understood and accepted to a certain degree. At a certain point, the 'center of gravity' is at green (or higher). This is the harvestable individual.

[3DMonkey]

" - these things are the 'yellow ray' condition. At some point, if this catalyst is used, the individual recognizes that from which it developed and either learns to exploit and intensify this same power for control and domination. Or accept others in this drama as same as self, as necessarily being on the same ontological level, coming from same place and going to same place."

Why is it that the STS expression seems to be easier? Is it that it has a more tangible result, or do I just see it easier?

I'm no good at it, mind you, but whenI am backed in a corner, so to speak, I go total STS even when I try to calm my red faced anger. I don't know if what I do is even advanced STS enough to say it is yellow Ray sts. Honestly, I go back to my thesis- I don't even think I have a properly activated yellow ray, thus there is no way I am harvestable.

[Richard]

I think it could be an STS act. Like so many things, what do you want in return for meditating? What do you hope to gain? I think, taken in those terms, it might be leaning towards STS. Or meditating and expecting a result.

But if you are just opening yourself up to the creator or infinity?? But at what point does our natural tendency towards commerce, lol, assert itself and demand a tit for tat?

Richarrd

[rva_jeremy]

I'd just like to point out one thing: asking whether meditation is, or could be, an STS act is different than asking whether meditation is, or could be, *bad*. STS/STO is not a normative dichotomy, but it's often used as if it is. So my answer would be of course meditation is a STS act; it's just a matter of the degree of STS energy dynamic involved. Is it therefore *bad* when it is more STS than STO? That's up to you, and I'd suggest understanding why you answer that question one way or the other will bear more fruit than understanding the answer itself.

[Tenet Nosce]

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

[kycahi]

Why is it that the STS expression seems to be easier? Is it that it has a more tangible result, or do I just see it easier?

I'm no good at it, mind you, but whenI am backed in a corner, so to speak, I go total STS even when I try to calm my red faced anger. I don't know if what I do is even advanced STS enough to say it is yellow Ray sts. Honestly, I go back to my thesis- I don't even think I have a properly activated yellow ray, thus there is no way I am harvestable.

Well, 3DM, you typed the above, so you are communicating with others and have been doing that for years. You have a family and care about them as they do you. So you definitely are a 3D being these days, and that means you match with the yellow color.

As to "going total STS," I presume you mean looking out for Number 1 and not giving a rat's *ss for the one(s) backing you into the corner. IMO that's just 3D response to catalyst, and you can get past that. I'll tell you what made a huge difference with me: training in Aikido. This is a martial art from Japan that is richly metaphysical, yet the student acquires those gifts mostly through physical training and not from lectures. Some well-trained students might deny that they received metaphysical training at all, yet demonstrate it when doing Aikido and even when interacting in everyday life.

In my case, I read about this art in a book that I had no idea included Aikido information, just personal improvement stuff--the author happened to be a good student and teacher. He intrigued me and, as these things happen, a co-worker showed a handout from a dojo announcing a new 1-hour class at noon, two days a week. I liked the instruction right away and appreciated the physical work.

After maybe four weeks, I became very frustrated because no matter how much attention the instructor gave me, I had hit a wall and couldn't learn new moves. It was embarrassing, but I stayed with it because the rest of my life had gotten better by leaps and bounds. I handled myself so well in meetings, when dealing with strangers, bosses and co-workers. I could keep going like this, but it would be tedious and boring.

You never strike your attacker, you just "introduce him to the floor." It's gentle yet certain. I remember an instructor saying that you are one with the universe, so how can somebody think they can with a confrontation with you? He's right.

As I said, if you do the training you will acquire personal improvement. This probably is true with any type of self-defense work, but the Aikido was perfect for me.

[zenmaster]

" - these things are the 'yellow ray' condition. At some point, if this catalyst is used, the individual recognizes that from which it developed and either learns to exploit and intensify this same power for control and domination. Or accept others in this drama as same as self, as necessarily being on the same ontological level, coming from same place and going to same place."

Why is it that the STS expression seems to be easier? Is it that it has a more tangible result, or do I just see it easier?

I'm no good at it, mind you, but whenI am backed in a corner, so to speak, I go total STS even when I try to calm my red faced anger. I don't know if what I do is even advanced STS enough to say it is yellow Ray sts. Honestly, I go back to my thesis- I don't even think I have a properly activated yellow ray, thus there is no way I am harvestable.

I think what you are talking about is balancing, rather than activation. STS has a conscious overview of shared catalyst and would use this to control or to dominate. This is quite different than one's spontaneous emotional response - an unpolarized unconscious reaction - in the face of catalyst.

Here it is as if we can only work on small pieces of the over-all soul at any one time. Catalyst is quite circumstantial. We program dispositions and biases to help us to confront just those aspect we need to integrate or learn from, in order to balance. In the grand scheme, there may be a high-degree of polarization - the sum of the rays may equate to harvestability. But these customized catalysts will tend to throw our attention towards their message - and they can keep us focused on the lower chakras and emotional needs which are guaranteed to remain until acknowledged and accepted - even into 4D, 5D, and 6D. What we find particularly compelling, important, desirable should be investigated thoroughly as these indicate those aspects of ourselves we have set up for exploration.

Even if we are harvestable, that does not necessarily mean the end of 3D investigation - especially for the wanderer.

[Namaste]

Thank you zen, eloquently put. We are indeed on the same page regarding activation :¬)

To answer the question of this thread, meditation can be either, or both. It's up to you. Are you meditating to develop your own skills (as such), for your own benefit, or for the benefit of others?

The same question can be applied to spiritual seeking; many are doing so for their own benefit. Spiritual materialism, as Ram Dass puts it. "I must have this ability", "I must reach this level", rather than "How can I be of service?".

[Tenet Nosce]

I also offer this:

Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days? Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

[Oldern]

Tenec Noste, I think that is the "arguing about semantics" line if you mean what I think you mean. That quote, for me, means obviously only that every change (drastic change) can only come from within, and only the self can make that change happen in himself. That does not make change or "enlightment" a "service to self" act. Or, more importantly, it is exactly a service for everyone, as "if it reaches one, reaches all".

[Tenet Nosce]

Tenec Noste, I think that is the "arguing about semantics" line if you mean what I think you mean. That quote, for me, means obviously only that every change (drastic change) can only come from within, and only the self can make that change happen in himself. That does not make change or "enlightment" a "service to self" act. Or, more importantly, it is exactly a service for everyone, as "if it reaches one, reaches all".

Oldern, I do not know what you think I mean. I only know what I mean. By the way, my moniker is Tenet Nosce, not Tenec Noste.

Let me reoffer the first quote, as it would appear that you missed it:

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

Vis a vis:

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of density. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

So, according to my understanding, meditation would be the point where STO and STS meet.

[kycahi]

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of density. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

So, according to my understanding, meditation would be the point where STO and STS meet.

I think you interpreted Ra as saying that, through meditation, someone could achieve enough light/love to move to 4D without having made the Choice of path. I agree with that interpretation, but it seems like it would be a self-imposed challenge--that much meditation ought to make the entity clearly see the two options and want to choose a service rather than hold back.

Lots of people, I think, have made the Choice never having meditated at all, knowingly (my hunch is that people get in a tiny bit of meditation when they lose themselves briefly staring out the window or drifting off during a lecture etc.).

Good catch. Maybe this will give hope to the participants in these threads who can't seem to Choose. :-/

[3DMonkey]

kycahi, I believe your "hunch" is correct. I actually believe that is the only genuiune meditation. Like when your thinking of a friend and you find yourself glazed over. That is meditation, IMO.

[Tenet Nosce]

I think you interpreted Ra as saying that, through meditation, someone could achieve enough light/love to move to 4D without having made the Choice of path. I agree with that interpretation, but it seems like it would be a self-imposed challenge--that much meditation ought to make the entity clearly see the two options and want to choose a service rather than hold back.

One would think, however I believe that highly negatively polarized beings are quite stricken with the fear of loss of individuality, that they perceive would result from graduating from this octave. So in essence, it is fear that drives their behavior, and not love.

Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

Lots of people, I think, have made the Choice never having meditated at all, knowingly (my hunch is that people get in a tiny bit of meditation when they lose themselves briefly staring out the window or drifting off during a lecture etc.)

I agree that meditation is not necessary. Only a useful tool. And yes, there are many forms that meditation may take. Anything can become a meditation, given intention and awareness. I think that daydreaming is in a way a pointer to these abilities... unfortunately this is largely frowned upon in our society. :-/

[kycahi]

One would think, however I believe that highly negatively polarized beings are quite stricken with the fear of loss of individuality, that they perceive would result from graduating from this octave. So in essence, it is fear that drives their behavior, and not love.

Could be. I remember pondering that myself for a time, but decided that rejoining the One, or my SMC if I have one, would give me a super-duper bliss, so didn't give it another thought. Really, it's an example of flawed "understanding" of what is far beyond the ken of a 3Der.

Anything can become a meditation, given intention and awareness. I think that daydreaming is in a way a pointer to these abilities... unfortunately this is largely frowned upon in our society. :-/

Very true. For example, a friend runs most mornings, and as soon as he gets back home he goes to his keyboard and writes down the new ideas that popped into his head. He didn't think things over during the run, he tuned down his mind in order to allow it to process things in background mode without interruptions by his conscious.

"Background mode" is a computer term that implies the processing of data without any input from a human user. It runs fast, needing not to wait for keystrokes or other such input.

[Oldern]

Oldern, I do not know what you think I mean. I only know what I mean. By the way, my moniker is Tenet Nosce, not Tenec Noste.

Wow, what a double typo, sorry about it -.-"

[kanonathena]

Do the negative entities meditate? Are there forms of meditation that can keep your heart chackra closed or help to shut it down even more? Does the same apply to negative entities in higher densities?

[Liet]

Do the negative entities meditate? Are there forms of meditation that can keep your heart chackra closed or help to shut it down even more? Does the same apply to negative entities in higher densities?

yes they do meditate... and their actions/intentions is what keeps the heart/throat dead.

maybe they do something similar to when one is on the psycadelic drug "4-ho-met" where your heart/throat energies are "eaten" in order to strengthen the solar plexus enough to reach the brow chakra. (dont touch the drug, takes 6months to fully recover from)

[kycahi]

I agree with Liet. My answer to the original topic is that meditation would serve well anyone who does it, whether on the STS or STO path.

Anyone reading these threads who hasn't Chosen yet can go into meditation with an intention to arrive at the "right" Choice. Such person likely will arrive at the "correct" one, i.e. the one already chosen during time/space.

If a person didn't choose one in time/space before this incarn, perhaps this isn't the right lifetime to make the choice. Not necessarily, though: If anyone reading this wants to Choose but is conflicted, meditation can help there too. I wish good luck to any such person.

[Oldern]

Think of it this way.

You are meditating. You are a seeker. You are looking for something.
If you are looking to be better balanced, that means you will eventually find your center. You will therefore more compatible with your "other-selves" (the people around you).

Imagine a huge net of energy. We are the individual rope segments, bound together multi-dimensionally. And this life is our struggle. One end ofa rope starts resonating, the whole net starts to wriggle around, resonate and resonate back until the whole mess is a huge piece of resonating, struggling mass.

By becoming silent, by becoming something that has a center, by helping yourself, you basically took one step towards healing the whole net. Because now it wriggles just a tiny bit less. And that is what is important.

Of course, if you are meditating for more wriggle (I want to steal that girl from my friend! I want to get more payment from my job even if that means that boss will have to fire others to get me a higher position! Etc...), then you will get wriggle. And that is not a balancing, restorative act. I do not like the STO/STS definitions, as Ra clearly dislikes it too. At the end, the paths are the same when viewed from a different perspective, as he said it.

[Liet]

I do not like the STO/STS definitions, as Ra clearly dislikes it too. At the end, the paths are the same when viewed from a different perspective, as he said it.

indeed, theres the smart act, and stupid act.... stupid is "not acting after ones best knowledge/experience", all acts serve the self in the end either way.
one accelerates growth (intresting), and one dont(safe)...
too rapid growth is destructive though, and too slow is rather boring in the long run.