Is meditation a STS act?

[mzearthangel35404]

You don't have to feel that way if you look at it like this: you are building your spiritual energy and body when you meditate. The energy has to be released eventually because it is the energy of love that you are radiating to others. So in truth and in fact you are serving others as well.We all need the light and the love, thanks for being service to other being. The more love love and light you spread, the more of a positive polarity you will receive.Hope this may be of some help to your question.

[3DMonkey]

If you think there exists unknowns to the unconscious, then you are not using Jung's definition (for example), which necessarily has everything unconscious as that which is separate from self.

For some reason, I am currently looking at the unconscious as my mind's time/space counterpart. The distinction I am making is even unclear to me. I think it lies somewhere in the spirit complex, the matrix of the spirit. I think I am seeing the darkness of spirit as something unknown to the unconscious. This idea is further mysterious to me because the conscious, or matrix of the mind, would correlate more to the darkness, or matrix of the spirit. As would the unconscious correlate to lightning.

[βαθμιαίος]

also, to no love yourself, is being STS

STS and STO refer to orientations of polarity. The word 'love' is where the confusion lies. 'Love' is the 'logos'. It is a form of acceptance of the logos- the more acceptance, the more polarity. There are acts without polarity, that is - without acceptance and these have no orientation - neither STS or STO. They are based on fear, distraction, ignorance, misunderstandings, non-acceptance. So to not love oneself is absolutely not being 'STS'.

"Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love..."

It may not be accurate to say that "to no love yourself, is being STS" but it is accurate (in the green-ray sense of love) to say that service-to-self entities do not love themselves.

[Tenet Nosce]

It may not be accurate to say that "to no love yourself, is being STS" but it is accurate (in the green-ray sense of love) to say that service-to-self entities do not love themselves.

That is a very wise discernment. So if an entity does not truly love themselves- there remains potential for them to go down the STS "path". <---- I don't like that word because it implies a straight line when it actually a spiral. The lessons from the different densities all interpenetrate and dovetail into one another, circle back around, etc.

Now if an entity loved themselves, surely they would serve themselves. No?

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You don't have to feel that way if you look at it like this: you are building your spiritual energy and body when you meditate. The energy has to be released eventually because it is the energy of love that you are radiating to others. So in truth and in fact you are serving others as well.We all need the light and the love, thanks for being service to other being. The more love love and light you spread, the more of a positive polarity you will receive.Hope this may be of some help to your question.

Thanks for offering that perspective! You can serve both the self and others simultaneously. And maybe there is some way to use that energy to depolarize certain catastrophic events, such as tornadoes.

[zenmaster]

also, to no love yourself, is being STS

STS and STO refer to orientations of polarity. The word 'love' is where the confusion lies. 'Love' is the 'logos'. It is a form of acceptance of the logos- the more acceptance, the more polarity. There are acts without polarity, that is - without acceptance and these have no orientation - neither STS or STO. They are based on fear, distraction, ignorance, misunderstandings, non-acceptance. So to not love oneself is absolutely not being 'STS'.

"Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love..."

It may not be accurate to say that "to no love yourself, is being STS" but it is accurate (in the green-ray sense of love) to say that service-to-self entities do not love themselves.

I agree with this, since obviously green-ray acceptance is absent in polarized STS entities.

But again, lack of love of self is still not necessarily STS, even if it's lack of 'green ray'. There is no 'STS' without sufficient polarity. And that polarity is rare. You can't 'love' what you have not yet individuated from the logos. Absence of love, any type of love, is obviously not necessarily STS. That is not a semantic issue.

Further, most people are not capable of green-ray love. So you would call them STS? No, I don't think so.

[kycahi]

I think that meditation will help anybody in third density, whether STO or STS. It puts space/time beings a little closer to time/space existence, for a tiny while. It tunes the mind to receive more delicate signals and absorb their significance. It moves anyone closer to achieving balance. It calms. It heightens awareness which improves decision-making. It decreases fear, anger and resentment. It opens the heart chakra, thereby letting love in and out.

And that is only the first week!

[βαθμιαίος]

But again, lack of love of self is still not necessarily STS, even if it's lack of 'green ray'. There is no 'STS' without sufficient polarity. And that polarity is rare. You can't 'love' what you have not yet individuated from the logos. Absence of love, any type of love, is obviously not necessarily STS. That is not a semantic issue.

Further, most people are not capable of green-ray love. So you would call them STS? No, I don't think so.

Don't disagree. It's just that it's possible that the post in question was misworded and what was meant to be said was "to be STS is to not love yourself" rather than the other way around, which, as you point out, is fairly obviously inaccurate.

[zenmaster]

it's possible that the post in question was misworded and what was meant to be said was "to be STS is to not love yourself" rather than the other way around, which, as you point out, is fairly obviously inaccurate.

However, if that is indeed what was meant to be said, then what about:

26.31: "This is due to the sincere belief of fourth-density negative that to love self is to love all. Each other-self which is thus either taught or enslaved thus has a teacher which teaches love of self."

50.5: "Those negatively harvestable will be found at this time endeavoring to share their love of self."

69.13: "Let us say that the positively polarized individual makes a poor student of the love of self"

"85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others* path has potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so that I could understand it a little better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others* choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood."

Now that may be a semantic issue again, but it also does beg the question does one truly know what they are talking about with regards to this matter.

[AnthroHeart]

That service-to-others* should be service-to-self. They correct it later in that session.

[βαθμιαίος]

I think it's semantics. Service to self loves itself in an orange- and yellow-ray manner. This involves control and manipulation of the self; very different than green-ray love and acceptance.

The question seems to be whether orange- and yellow-ray love is really love.

[native]

The question seems to be whether orange- and yellow-ray love is really love.

It would have to be, since love - the creative energy - is the expression of an individualized portion of the Creator. Sts simply lacks the fullest expression of it in crystallized form and eventually can't go on without including green energy.

In regards to negative harvest: "The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose."

[βαθμιαίος]

Right. It's love in the sense of the second distortion but not in the sense of green-ray vibration.

[native]

So then what Love are we really talking about? I understand the green ray concept of it.

[βαθμιαίος]

My point exactly!

[3DMonkey]

I think it's semantics. Service to self loves itself in an orange- and yellow-ray manner. This involves control and manipulation of the self; very different than green-ray love and acceptance.

The question seems to be whether orange- and yellow-ray love is really love.

Interesting.

I agree with Icaro, it has to be.

Green Ray in potentiation infuses into the spectrum of light in activation in order to increase the 'nerve impulses' of the activated energy rays. A 'nerve impulse' consists of a wave of electrical depolarization that reverses the potential difference across the nerve cell membranes.

Love/light, light/love, love/light, light/love........

(you are all the equivalent of great scholars offering your own slant on Creation)

[zenmaster]

I think it's semantics. Service to self loves itself in an orange- and yellow-ray manner. This involves control and manipulation of the self; very different than green-ray love and acceptance.

The question seems to be whether orange- and yellow-ray love is really love.

The more polarization, the more love (2nd distortion), regardless of service orientation. One can feel the qualities of each center - not necessarily just as a bodily emotion (sentiment), but as an archetype (meme or principle). In 3D anyway, green-ray is that principle where there is understanding that another is allowed and understood to be the same as self under any circumstance or condition for either party. So this is the very same type or theme of love or acceptance many are seeking from their own selves. It is a sort of naked, transparent radiance of abundance.

So I'd say that it's not 'not loving self' which is STS polarized, but repression of love for self with regards to green ray.

Of course orange and yellow-ray polarization is essentially love as well. The context, however, is limited to exploration of personal-as-all. "Love and understanding, whether it be of self or of self toward other-self, is one." Just as it can be said that the STS ignores or lacks focus on green (and blue) disciplines of the personality, we can say that the STO lacks focus on orange and yellow disciplines of the personality. Each ray is an opportunity to experience the 2nd distortion, or to actualize oneself from the creator as co-creator. We can even say that the only reason that STS has power over the STO, in some circumstance, is due to the STO entity's lack of love (and vice-versa). Indeed the STO entity that is subject to the power of the STS entity is one that ignores and does not accept themselves with regards to what is offered.

[native]

I see it as simply being an imbalance form of love as much as 4d and 5d are also imbalanced because..

"In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy."

If there is only one energy, then you really don't express the fullest meaning of love until 6d. But if you use and appreciate any aspect of intelligent energy, that is love also. I see love as simply any expression of the Creator.

[3DMonkey]

This

So I'd say that it's not 'not loving self' which is STS polarized, but repression of love for self with regards to green ray.

and this

Indeed the STO entity that is subject to the power of the STS entity is one that ignores and does not accept themselves with regards to what is offered.

is exactly how I understood Ocean's comment. I didn't see any holes getting from her comment to yours.

[native]

Perhaps it's easiest to say that any part of the octave is equally part of the whole, as it relates to the second distortion.

[βαθμιαίος]

So I'd say that it's not 'not loving self' which is STS polarized, but repression of love for self with regards to green ray.

Which may well be what the original poster was trying to say. Your clarity about the role and power of second-distortion love has been helpful, though, so thank you for that.

Just as it can be said that the STS ignores or lacks focus on green (and blue) disciplines of the personality, we can say that the STO lacks focus on orange and yellow disciplines of the personality. Each ray is an opportunity to experience the 2nd distortion, or to actualize oneself from the creator as co-creator. We can even say that the only reason that STS has power over the STO, in some circumstance, is due to the STO entity's lack of love (and vice-versa). Indeed the STO entity that is subject to the power of the STS entity is one that ignores and does not accept themselves with regards to what is offered.

STO does not necessarily neglect orange and yellow rays. Many who are attempting to be STO do neglect them, but it's not a necessary part of the path. Witness Ra's description of Carla's energy centers (38.5) and of Albert Schweitzer's (34.10).

[zenmaster]

There is a book called "Eros and Magic in the Renaissance" which discusses Marsilio Ficino's understanding of 'love'. This is certainly 'love' as in the sense of intelligent-energy distortion. Here it's treated as a principle rather than being separated from the limited, personality satisfying expression we tend to give it when we apply our valuing judgements. Long ago, 'love' was understood to be 'the very force which holds the universe itself together'

"The whole power of Magic is founded on Eros. The way Magic works is to bring things together through their inherent similarity...In our body, the brain, the lungs, the heart, the liver and other organs interact, favor each other, intercommunicate and feel reciprocal pain. From this relationship is born Eros, which is common to them all; from this Eros is born their mutual rapprochement, wherein resides true Magic."

So love is basically an attractive or binding power. When we say 'like attracts like' we are talking about love in the 2nd distortion. Because we, ourselves, are strongly subject to this principle, we say that love is 'magical' because it influences at a transcendent level. 4th density 'love' or intelligent energy is this noumenal, or informational type of love. It's what provides the raw information or more primary principles for an object of the senses to become structured in experience. This is why it's often said that in 4D, what is not needed becomes more obvious or transparent. We start understanding more about the nature of these first principles, which were always there, but obscured by desire.

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So I'd say that it's not 'not loving self' which is STS polarized, but repression of love for self with regards to green ray.

Which may well be what the original poster was trying to say. Your clarity about the role and power of second-distortion love has been helpful, though, so thank you for that.

Just as it can be said that the STS ignores or lacks focus on green (and blue) disciplines of the personality, we can say that the STO lacks focus on orange and yellow disciplines of the personality. Each ray is an opportunity to experience the 2nd distortion, or to actualize oneself from the creator as co-creator. We can even say that the only reason that STS has power over the STO, in some circumstance, is due to the STO entity's lack of love (and vice-versa). Indeed the STO entity that is subject to the power of the STS entity is one that ignores and does not accept themselves with regards to what is offered.

STO does not necessarily neglect orange and yellow rays. Many who are attempting to be STO do neglect them, but it's not a necessary part of the path. Witness Ra's description of Carla's energy centers (38.5) and of Albert Schweitzer's (34.10).

Yes, it's not neglect - it's just not possible to continue on a balanced path of positive polarization and also deeply study that understanding of self as creator. So, in 4D we go to war with the opposite polarization. Self fighting self, due to misunderstanding of self.

[kycahi]

Forgive this seemingly off-topic anecdote. Decades ago, I stopped of at Carla's apartment on my way to work to say hello. I was pleased to see that Don was there too. As a pilot, he would be gone for days at a time, so I never knew whether he would be there. Carla was happy to say that they "just formed our new company!" I congratulated them and asked what it's called. She said, "The L L Company."

Don said, "Nobody will ever guess what those letters stand for." I thought for a few seconds and said, "Your middle initials?" I knew Carla's middle name was Lisbeth. Then Don said again, "Nobody will ever guess what those letters stand for." I thought some more and said "Love and light!" Carla started laughing as Don, with a grin said, "Nobody will ever guess what those stand for."

The reason they named their company that way was that Love and Light are the two fundamental ingredients of the Universe. Light is energy and, we know from Physics, can be in the form of matter. The other necessary part is Love, which gives matter its consciousness.

Because Love is so fundamental and pervasive, when I compiled my version of the seven levels of consciousness I named the 4th level Compassion and not Love. Ra used both terms, but I think that compassion is more correct for the green level. Love is all around and in everything, so naming the middle level with that word invites confusion.

This thread has both "love" and "energy" (aka Light) used in ways that bother me, because I prefer using just the right word for something. I'm not asking anybody to follow my word rules, but at the same time this discussion might go better if contributors not mix in terms like "yellow love" and "green energy."

Regardless whether anybody agrees with me, I didn't mean to hijack the thread into a semantics discussion. Please continue to exhaust the original topic in the grand Bring 4th tradition.

[Ankh]

Don said, "Nobody will ever guess what those letters stand for." I thought for a few seconds and said, "Your middle initials?" I knew Carla's middle name was Lisbeth. Then Don said again, "Nobody will ever guess what those letters stand for." I thought some more and said "Love and light!" Carla started laughing as Don, with a grin said, "Nobody will ever guess what those stand for."

The reason they named their company that way was that Love and Light are the two fundamental ingredients of the Universe. Light is energy and, we know from Physics, can be in the form of matter. The other necessary part is Love, which gives matter its consciousness.

Wonderful, kycahi, as usual. So why did they named their company to "Light Lines"?

[Tenet Nosce]

The reason they named their company that way was that Love and Light are the two fundamental ingredients of the Universe. Light is energy and, we know from Physics, can be in the form of matter. The other necessary part is Love, which gives matter its consciousness.

Given your choice of perceptual framework, how would you classify Wisdom, Purpose, or Identity? Personally, I have observed many light- and love-filled individuals that would appear to be greatly suffering from a lack of these. I, myself, went through a period in my life such as this.

[Oldern]

Hello, everyone!

This seemed like the perfect thread to use in regards to my current thoughts : )

Today I joined the Gaia Meditation for the first time. It is kinda difficult to get on both meditation, as it is 3am and 3pm here by the time it is supposed to be done - but 3pm is achievable anyway. I have to say, the golden net, the healing, visualizing everything went quite okay for me, and I tried to "attach" myself to all the people around the world who meditated with me at this time, using the combined power to make subtle changes in the way people treat the Earth from now on, and the way the Earth heals its wounds over time. I will definitely do this every time I am available, because it is finally something helpful to everyone.

On the meantime, I am a bit struggling with the meditation itself: at childhood, I was introduced and was a regular user of Jose Silva's "mind control" techniques, which revolve around getting your brain and body to an "alpha state" and then imagining and "programming" your body and your mind to certain things, improvements. Ever since then, I sometimes still use the number countdown technique to get into this state (first: countdown from 3...2....1. Deeper and deeper. Then 10 to one, deeper with every number, being in a more and more healthy state, every level, relaxing more and more. Then, relaxing and healing every single muscle and bodypart of mind, starting with the top of my head, going down to the toes. Then, after it is done, it is a sandbox place where I can visualize whatever i want), and it works, but I have never been able to get into such a relaxed state with other medtiative ways ever since I used this. Is this practice a bad way to meditate, or is this techniques too... direct? I do not know how to put it, but what I would like to know is that if there is a better way to meditate or to open the meditation than this.

(Did not use Silva's technique for Gaia meditation ofc! : )
Thanks for any informations regarding this.

[native]

If that's what you feel is best then I would stick with it. There's nothing wrong with what you described. Meditation in its essence is silent contemplation, so for example, working over some thought in mindful contemplation is meditation. The only requirements are silence and a straight spine if possible, which means you can lay down on the floor or relax in a recliner.

[kycahi]

Wonderful, kycahi, as usual. So why did they named their company to "Light Lines"?

Thanks, very much Ankh. The company name was actually L/L, but when she told me the name, she didn't say the / character. Don sometimes referred to it as "L over L." Nowadays, he might say "L slash L," to be cute. Lots of businesses officially rename themselves with their initials--Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing became 3M and British Petroleum became BP, for examples. He set the name to be L/L and privately revealed why he chose those letters.

They named their printed publication Light Lines as a whimsical use of the two Ls. At some point they changed the company name to L/L Research. I'm sure that Don liked that word because he always wanted these endeavors to be viewed as scientific rather than mumbo-jumbo-ish. He saw all of his investigation as a scientific pursuit, with the added necessity to be gullible during the data gathering phase, then later scrutinize it rigorously. He was okay with the word "spiritual," though, in the right context.

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If that's what you feel is best then I would stick with it. There's nothing wrong with what you described. Meditation in its essence is silent contemplation, so for example, working over some thought in mindful contemplation is meditation. The only requirements are silence and a straight spine if possible, which means you can lay down on the floor or relax in a recliner.

That is one good form of meditation, but my favorite is to let the mind wind down and stop thinking about anything. IMO the word that some sects use, "Om" or "Aum," is for the purpose of keeping the mouth muscles from twitching, which they might do if they were replaying some event and saying in their mind what they wish they had said at the time (haven't we all been there and done that? :-/ ). Also, while playing that word in their head they are not letting thoughts creep in.

I came from a logic-based background and took a long time to stop the thoughts and then to accept that good things happened to me as results of meditation. I was oversold on "seeing colors" and "feeling the presence" of something or another, which never happened (thank goodness). Finally I noticed that loaded conversations didn't rile me as they used to, and I could study better with better retention. Certain elements of whatever I was reading looked like good candidates for a quiz, for example, and indeed they were there.

Years later, I noticed that I could be in a noisy place and still get some meditation-like benefit from "going within." So please go through the learning curve, no matter how long it takes--days, weeks, months. My key to stopping the thoughts was to notice them and have them fade away, rather than scold myself when I noticed it happen.

Oh, and if you notice some sound, whether a bird singing or a truck rumbling, pay attention to it for awhile, without forming words in your head, then dismiss it. After 20 minutes or so, you might decide that this was another failed attempt. It wasn't. It got you closer to your goal and it even benefited you as if it were "real meditation," because it was.

At some point, you will feel the "switch" into a different mode of calm awareness. Aha! Next time you might not get it, but soon it will be there again, and sooner, and then most of the attempts. Even before that, though, you probably will notice that your life has improved. Someone close to you might have noticed it, too, or even ahead of you.

[native]

Yeah..I wasn't suggesting mindful meditation over any other method..just establishing that silence and seeking are the keys.

[kycahi]

Given your choice of perceptual framework, how would you classify Wisdom, Purpose, or Identity? Personally, I have observed many light- and love-filled individuals that would appear to be greatly suffering from a lack of these. I, myself, went through a period in my life such as this.

Wisdom comes with age, of course, but sometimes an "old soul" will seemingly start life with lots of it.

Purpose and Identity are kind of the same thing. Although most people cycle through the octaves accumulating each one's traits e.g. awareness of self, of others, compassion and wisdom, occasionally somebody is burdened with NOT having much of one. I knew one guy who kept trying different things, like being "a poet," and unfortunately being a bad one. Another time he wanted to join the ranks of Silicon Valley engineers, even though he knew nothing about that technology.

I had a job where a guy in my department decided that he was a female born in a male body. He dressed that way and wore jewelry, spoke softly and, in order not to cause a scandal at work, he would go to his car and drive to someplace to pee in the women's restroom. Despite his girlfriend begging him not to go through with the operation because the sex was good, he thought that's what he should do. We departed that company and I lost all track of him until maybe a couple years later I attended a Lazaris lecture and as I was looking for a seat I heard, "Lee! Lee!" There he was, with a beard and wearing jeans, split leather boots and a plaid flannel shirt, like he was a lumber jack. So he had gone from being a "girl" to being a macho man. I kidded him about it and he was fine with that.

In both of those cases, they didn't have a strong, permanent identity. Fortunately this is rare. I'm glad you got past that phase.

[Oceania]

Honestly,

The post of Ocean's was understood by me to be a relay of a Ra discussion about how we can't serve others well if we first don't accept ourselves. This entire understanding by me came across from the simple sentence Ocean posted.

Your post to explain more depth about the use of the word love was understood by me to be Zenmaster's desire to bring out a better understanding and use of the word 'love'. My understanding was that you chose a quote that did not present your definition of 'love' in order to articulate your desire to detail your definition.

My post was to reconcile the two of my understandings of these two posts. I don't think Ocean was misusing the word 'love'. I also don't think that your defining of the word was misplaced. I do what I do

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"Acceptance is an ability, capacity, an integration or actualization" - This I agree.


Events unfold through stepping into the unknown. Then something is known, or experienced. After this, acceptance as an integration comes into play. As I see it.

The interpretation of events comes from 'something known'. Stepping into the unknown takes acceptance. Acceptance is the ability to even have an interpretation of events or interact on some level. If we allow ourselves to learn, that requires acceptance.

Ah! You did not see Ocean using the word 'love' in 'correct' application. Likewise, in this post, I do not see your use of the word 'acceptance' in a 'correct' application.

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It does not take acceptance to step into the unknown. It takes ignorance.

i meant that we, ourselves, are a part of the whole, so if you only love others but not you, then you are not loving the whole, and that is not STO.

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It may not be accurate to say that "to no love yourself, is being STS" but it is accurate (in the green-ray sense of love) to say that service-to-self entities do not love themselves.

That is a very wise discernment. So if an entity does not truly love themselves- there remains potential for them to go down the STS "path". <---- I don't like that word because it implies a straight line when it actually a spiral. The lessons from the different densities all interpenetrate and dovetail into one another, circle back around, etc.

Now if an entity loved themselves, surely they would serve themselves. No?

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You don't have to feel that way if you look at it like this: you are building your spiritual energy and body when you meditate. The energy has to be released eventually because it is the energy of love that you are radiating to others. So in truth and in fact you are serving others as well.We all need the light and the love, thanks for being service to other being. The more love love and light you spread, the more of a positive polarity you will receive.Hope this may be of some help to your question.

Thanks for offering that perspective! You can serve both the self and others simultaneously. And maybe there is some way to use that energy to depolarize certain catastrophic events, such as tornadoes.

what is to serve yourself? if an entity loves itself but also loves others, does it not serve itself by serving all, itself and others? why to love others you are supposed to not show yourself the same consideration and love? that's all i was saying.

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I think it's semantics. Service to self loves itself in an orange- and yellow-ray manner. This involves control and manipulation of the self; very different than green-ray love and acceptance.

The question seems to be whether orange- and yellow-ray love is really love.

of course it's love.