Not drinking water

[Bring4th_Steve]

he has a massive yellow ray.

Wow. David "Avocado" Wolfe... I personally feel he is so over the top that it's very difficult to understand him when he starts firing on all cylinders. I was surprised to find myself completely saturated by his "OMG!OMG!OMG! stories" only a third of the way into that video.

He and that other researcher-turned-entertainer (I dare not mention the name for fear of reprisal) would probably create a new sun if they bumped into each other!

Great, I just blew my 51% for the day...

[BrownEye]

Personally I don't like him, he is a full on capitalist. Although, he has a lot of videos that are easier to find than the real gurus. For me he is a lot easier to listen to than some of the more knowledgable guys I can think of.
He is like the David Wilcock of health food. I don't trust DW.

[Monica]

That is -so- true. Although so far I am satisfied with my H20 Labs Water Distiller and trace minerals. I like ConcenTrace, although getting a hold of it seems a little elusive. Neither of the three distributors I use carries it...sounds interesting though.

I almost died from drinking distilled water, even with ionic trace minerals added back in. It leached my minerals.

I saw another one at Expo West this year that looked pretty sweet. Can't remember what it is called... :-/

Don't waste your $$. Seriously. The competitors are all toys. I had one of the top competitors, and it didn't help my problems at all. And it broke after just 2 1/2 years. During the time we were drinking that water, I even developed other problems, and my elderly dog developed arthritis so bad he could barely walk, and went blind. Then after it broke, we got the real deal, and nearly all my problems cleared up! And my dog was running around like a puppy, after just 2 weeks, and in 6 months, was no longer blind.

Since then, I've known people who've wasted $$ on the competitors and then bought our machine, so actually ended up spending almost double in the long run. The competitors make alkaline, antioxidant water, but it isn't restructured. That is the difference - a very big difference! Furthermore, they don't use surgical-grade titanium and platinum, but food-grade with metal alloys, thus potentially leaching toxic metals into the water. And for a doctor's office? Forget it. ALL the competitors shut off after just 10 minutes, to avoid overheating. So you wouldn't be able to give away water. The machine I have can run all day, and never overheats.

This isn't sales pitch. I wish someone had told me, several years ago. It would have saved me a lot of $$ and a lot of anguish. I could have been healed several years sooner, had I gotten this machine first.

There are many more reasons. For more info, please pm me.

[Monica]

Personally I don't like him, he is a full on capitalist. Although, he has a lot of videos that are easier to find than the real gurus. For me he is a lot easier to listen to than some of the more knowledgable guys I can think of.

Who would you consider to be the 'real gurus'? Is Dr. Gabriel Cousens among them?

He is like the David Wilcock of health food.

LOL!

[Bring4th_Steve]

Personally I don't like him, he is a full on capitalist. Although, he has a lot of videos that are easier to find than the real gurus. For me he is a lot easier to listen to than some of the more knowledgable guys I can think of.
He is like the David Wilcock of health food. I don't trust DW.

I'm going to look for a "Like +2" button for Bring4th, because I'm hankering to hit one of those after reading your post!

[Oceania]

he has a massive yellow ray.

Wow. David "Avocado" Wolfe... I personally feel he is so over the top that it's very difficult to understand him when he starts firing on all cylinders. I was surprised to find myself completely saturated by his "OMG!OMG!OMG! stories" only a third of the way into that video.

He and that other researcher-turned-entertainer (I dare not mention the name for fear of reprisal) would probably create a new sun if they bumped into each other!

Great, I just blew my 51% for the day...

DW has already met DW.

[Namaste]

I place my drinking water over a small quartz crystal pyramid (similar ratio to the Great Pyramid) for 10 minutes before drinking it, coupled with a short intention (AKA blessing) of it being made pure, healing and life giving.

Edit: Monica, which Enagic model do you use? That has piqued my interest.

[Oceania]

what about the water you put your crystal in to clean it? will that water be dirty?

[Tenet Nosce]

Great, I just blew my 51% for the day...

Yeah, be careful bro! It sounds like you are teetering right on the edge there and harvest could come at any time!

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I'm going to look for a "Like +2" button for Bring4th, because I'm hankering to hit one of those after reading your post!

How about Google Plus?

[Bring4th_Steve]

Namaste, I have the SD501 too. It is an amazing machine. It does more than just condition the water, it also produces highly alkaline water, such that it will remove pesticides from fruits and vegetables when you soak them for a few minutes.

In addition, the machine also makes highly acidic water, which I use to treat some problem areas of my skin. I've no longer had to use corticosteroids thanks to applying acidic water on the outside and drinking alkaline water for my insides.

As much as this sounds good, there's plenty of people out there bashing the technology and even the machine itself. But rest assured, we are giving you our own personal experiences, which you may find a lot more comforting and true.

In looking over this entire thread, it's amazing to see something as ordinary as water having such cool properties and potentials to benefit our health. I think no matter what kind of water we drink, blessing it is probably one of the most powerful things we can consciously do for it.

[Tenet Nosce]

I almost died from drinking distilled water, even with ionic trace minerals added back in. It leached my minerals.

Really? How did that all go down? We feel fine...

It is strange how different people can react so differently to something as seemingly simple as water! I have seen the same food or supplement, for example, have completely opposite effects in different bodies. Makes it kind of hard to draw any firm conclusions...

Sometimes I get frustrated when I hear of health food store employees recommending this or that product "for" this or that condition. I know that is their job, and they are genuinely trying to be helpful. But it seems that they are sometimes a little overzealous about a particular product and don't realize that a certain product might not be the best fit for every person.

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Who would you consider to be the 'real gurus'?

Gurus give me the heebie-jeebies! I think placing oneself in the position of a guru opens oneself up to negative influences that can get propagated amongst the followers in unpredictable ways. This is how a positive message can sometimes be twisted to the negative through unintended consequences.

So I guess I don't know who a 'real' guru would be. In my mind they are in the somewhat hypocritical position that Ra related in Session One of the Law of One. So, in order to be a real guru, one would need to display a certain amount of fakeness. Quite the paradox!

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings, having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.

Gee, I really wish the Questioner would have allowed Ra to continue speaking on that point. I would have liked to know what kind of wisdom Ra gained from attempting to be gurus to the Egyptian people.

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Very cool! Our water comes out of the machine like that, basically.

Those pictures remind me of the work of Dr. Masaru Emoto:



According to Emoto's research team, they were able to change the vibrational quality of the water through intention alone. Kind of makes me wonder if we really need any of these technologies, or maybe they are serving as a stepping stone to help open our minds up to the possibilities, until we realize that the machines were unnecessary all along.

Many of my colleagues have "quantum machines" or other similar devices that can supposedly diagnose disease in the body. I think there is something to it... but unfortunately I don't think the technology is really as advanced as they may believe. In many ways, I wonder how much of the results they claim to get is simply the placebo effect. Unfortunately, "believing" in a technology doesn't actually bend the rules of spacetime in order to actually make it work. :-/

For example, I have had many people come in with a "diagnosis" of parasites in their intestines. Only when we ran a stool test, we didn't find evidence of parasites. We did however find other things! Like candida, MRSA, H. pylori, etc. The list goes on and on! Then one time we DID find pinworms in an adult male. Never would have suspected it!

So I think maybe these machines are good enough to get some sort of "ballpark diagnosis" however it could be very detrimental to one's health, for example, to run around thinking they have parasites when in fact they have MRSA.

I would recommend totally different courses of action for those two situations.

As for my colleagues, I think some of them are a little too naive and trusting at times. Plus, many of them don't have an undergraduate degree in the sciences. Diversity of background is a good thing... but it definitely can cause a hindrance to somebody trying to properly evaluate a technological device.

I have actually researched into some of these companies, and let me tell you, it is all smoke and mirrors. I can't find out who actually owns it. I can't find any public records for patents that they supposedly claim. I can't find any REAL research to support their health claims- only anecdotal evidence.

And as powerful as a personal story may be, it makes it ALL TOO EASY to get hoodwinked by the proverbial snake oil salesman. Funny that we all use the term "snake oil" when the most notorious culprit of fraudulent claims came from Coca-Cola in the late 19th Century, in the time of Lord Bulwer-Lytton. You know the drill... coca cola was supposed to CURE EVERYTHING. Even REVERSE the aging process!

Did you know that, in many ways, the creation of the DEA and the FDA was a result of these types of antics committed by Coca-Cola? Oh, and they also invented Santa Claus... but that is a whole 'nother story!

At any rate, I sure hope that we don't ever have to repeat that lesson. Once was enough for me!

[Monica]

Really? How did that all go down? We feel fine...

When I was 21, I got into Edgar Cayce, and read about his recommendations for colonics. I had female problems and sinus headaches, so went to a nutritionist who put me on distilled water for detox. I also got off all junk foods and did the colon cleansing, juicing, etc. It did me a lot of good, but also a lot of damage. Colonics are ok for a short while for detox, but this woman didn't know when to stop! She didn't educate her clients on how to have a healthy lifestyle, but had them keep coming back to her. I realized later there was a lot of control going on there, but at the time, I was young and naive.

The excessive cleansing for over 3 years undoubtedly depleted me, which made me more susceptible to more depletion from the distilled water. I felt great at the time and was very healthy. I never got sick anymore. For about the next 10 years, I was fine. Of course, during that time, I continued to do a lot of juicing, was eating a middle-of-the-road lacto-ovo vegetarian diet, and consumed bluegreen algae. I now believe that all those things kept me going. I quit drinking distilled water in favor of a basic water filter, most due to the expense of an actual distiller. (This was before they had countertop distillers so a good distiller was about $1000.)

So, for about 10 years, I drank purified water and had an excellent diet, and was fine. Then, when I was around 30 or so, I acquired a distiller, thinking I was doing a good thing for my family. It took a couple of years for problems to manifest. I began having receded gums, but the kicker was when the heart problems started. I started having palpitations, sometimes 20 or 30 times per day, accompanied by an inability to get a deep breath. It was terrifying!

I simply never made the connection to the distilled water. Keep in mind, that this was before the age of the internet. So all I had to go on was this 'expert' who told me that distilled water was the best, purest water to drink. I had no reason to even question that!

Later, I learned that there was some controversy about it. Some practitioners were saying not to drink it because it leached minerals. But others scoffed at that and cited examples of children being brought up on distilled water and never being sick. It was confusing. So, I thought I'd err on the side of caution and began adding liquid ionic minerals to the water. I thought I had it covered!

Meanwhile, I spent a fortune seeking help for my serious problems. Over the next 15 years, I went to MDs, homeopaths, naturopaths, acupuncturists, etc. but no one could figure out what was wrong with me. I tried various diets, and even held my nose and forced myself to eat salmon and chicken for awhile! (What does THAT tell you about how desperate I was? heh)

But none of those things helped. The only thing that seemed to be keeping my heart from failing was the bluegreen algae and an algae concentrate called StemEnhance. I am very grateful for both of those! I am absolutely convinced I wouldn't be here were it not for the algae.

I also had other problems developing as well: chronic female problems, acid reflux, irritable bowel syndrome, advanced periodontal disease, severe bone loss, severe insomnia, and swelling and tingling in my hands and feet, leading me to suspect onset of diabetes.

I was a mess!

I finally put 2 and 2 together. Thanks to the internet, I was able to research all my symptoms myself, instead of just relying on a few 'experts.' All my problems had a common denominator: magnesium deficiency. So I hit it hard, with various forms of cal-mag, trace minerals, extra mag, slow mag, extra green juices, etc. Those things might have helped a bit here and there, but I still couldn't breathe!

You couldn't tell by looking at me. I was a stay-at-home mom with a home business, then later worked just part-time due to homeschooling and insomnia. I'd be at work, when a breathing episode would occur, and I knew by now to just sit there and eventually a breath would come. Or so I hoped. Each time it happened, I never knew if "this was it" and would be my last. It was like getting waterboarded 20 times a day! It was terrifying!

Of course, this too was catalyst. I confronted a lot of my inner demons during this time, and cleared a lot of deep emotional issues. So some good did come from it.

Then, about 6 years ago, I began to despair. I was so tired of not being able to breathe...so tired of living in constant stress over what should be a normal bodily function. I prayed desperately for an answer. I remember praying, "If I could just breathe, I will never complain about anything in my life ever again!"

Like the Christians say, I was on my knees, in agonizing prayer, reaching out with all my heart and soul.

Well, right around that time, my distiller broke and flooded our garage, ruining some stuff.

I didn't listen.

Then, a few months later, the distiller broke again and flooded our garage again.

This time, I paid attention!

I was a good example of what you've been talking about, Tenet. I was so locked into my belief that distilled water was healthy for me, that I failed to recognize what it was doing to me, all those years. But I had no vested interest in distillers. I didn't sell distillers. I really didn't care at all about distilled water. There was no emotional charge about it. I just honestly believed it was the cleanest, purest, healthiest water, because that is what I had been taught by an 'expert' whom I trusted at the time! So it was totally innocent and understandable on my part. Nevertheless, my submitting to that 'authority' cost me dearly!

After the 2nd flooding, I opened myself to the possibility that maybe my Higher Self was trying to tell me something! I remember thinking, "What if, just what if it's really true that distilled water depletes one's minerals?" So I got online and began shopping for a water filter, intending to buy just some basic filter to remove chlorine, but would leave the minerals intact.

That's when I discovered water ionizers. Not knowing the difference, I bought one of our main competitors, a Jupiter machine. I spent $1400, with high hopes that it would somehow improve my health.

At best, at least I didn't get any worse. It was certainly better than the distilled water! But neither did I get any better. I basically stayed the same. We all drank the water from that machine for 2 1/2 years, until it suddenly broke. (I expected it to last longer than that, considering its price tag.)

During the time we were drinking the Jupiter water, I developed a sharp pain in the area of one of my ovaries. I put off going to the doctor, because I knew they'd surely find something and probably want to do a hysterectomy. I continued to search for answers as to why my health had deteriorated.

Also during that time, my elderly dog developed arthritis so bad he could barely walk. I used to have to pick him up and carry him outside in the morning. He grumbled and growled whenever I woke him up. His eyes were milky white, and he was both blind and deaf.

This is where we were at, after drinking the water from the competitor who claims to be 'as good as' the medical grade machine.

After it broke, a friend told me about the medical grade machine. I was like, "you gotta be kidding! been there done that...I'm not wasting my $$ AGAIN!" but he showed the hospital footage and the medical certification, so I realized that there was a major difference in quality. I'd just been laid off, and we were broke. I never saw any testimonials, so I had no expectations that it would actually help my myriad problems. I bought it strictly in the hopes that its antioxidant value might help prevent cancer, so at least maybe I wouldn't have to worry about that on top of all my other problems! So despite our financial situation, we put it on the credit card.

Within 2 days of drinking the genuine ionized water, constipation, acid reflux, and insomnia cleared up. Within 2 weeks, my dog woke us up at 6am, running and ready to play! Heart palpitations reduced to maybe 2-3 times per day. Within 3 months, ALL those problems I had were either 100% resolved, or 90% better. Heart palpitations/breathing problems only occurred about once or twice a month, over the next year, until they finally disappeared completely. Within 3 months, my husband and I both got our hair color back. Not completely, but almost completely for me and about half for him. I was 48 when I got my machine and in the throes of perimenopause. I hadn't ovulated for 5 years. Within 3 months, I was having regular ovulatory cycles. (NOT that I want any more kids! But what does that mean, that I got my hair color back and started ovulating again? Is my body youthing?) Whatever it was in my ovary seemed to be gone. No more pain. I don't care what it was. It's gone.

NOTHING else was changed. All I did was change my water. I didn't increase my water. I already drank over a gallon a day. I just switched the water to the best ionized water.

It's now been 3 1/2 years since I got my machine. My dog is still deaf but he's no longer blind. He can still run. He's almost 20 years old. I used to get bronchitis every winter, without fail, and be coughing for 3-4 weeks. I haven't had a single cold for the past 3 winters I've been drinking this water. I started to get sick a few times but it never grabbed hold and was gone within a day or 2.

It is strange how different people can react so differently to something as seemingly simply as water! I have seen the same food or supplement, for example, have completely opposite effects in different bodies. Makes it kind of hard to draw any firm conclusions...

Sometimes I get frustrated when I hear of health food store employees recommending this or that product "for" this or that condition. I know that is their job, and they are genuinely trying to be helpful. But it seems that they are sometimes a little overzealous about a particular product and don't realize that a certain product might not be the best fit for every person.

I agree in the case of 'health foods' and supplements. I think it's because different people have different nutritional deficiencies, different metabolisms, etc. Taking some supplement that might help another person because they're deficient in it, might exacerbate a problem in someone who has an excess of that or can't digest it for whatever reason. Look at how some people can't handle wheat or peanuts...

I don't think this applies to water though. From what I understand, the chemistry is the same for everyone. There just might be additional factors for some...as with my having already gotten depleted from excessive cleansing, which might have predisposed me to getting depleted more quickly from the distilled water. But there is no question that the distilled water depleted my minerals. I just might not have had the same reserve as you did, due to the previous cleansing. But the chemistry is the same.

I've seen inconclusive results with various health foods and supplements. Even the bluegreen algae - a foundational and primal food - didn't work the same for everyone. Some people got a sudden burst of energy, while others just noticed a subtle feeling of well-being, while others experienced detox and felt worse before they felt better, while still others noticed nothing until months later when they realized their allergies no longer bothered them.

But with the water, it's pretty consistent. Some detox and others don't, but aside from that, I tend to see predictable results with water. ALL human bodies are at least 70% water, so there is no reason that water should react any differently from one person to another. I see the same pattern with virtually everyone who drinks this water. They sometimes detox, they feel better, they reduce or eliminate their meds...same pattern.

I think distilled water leaches minerals the same with everyone. But it affected me more, because I was already depleted from excessive colonics. So it just happened faster with me. It was a combination of factors, but there is no question in my mind that the distilled water was the main culprit, because when I changed my water, the problems were all resolved.

Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to convey the context of what happened to me and why I feel distilled water is dangerous long-term.

This water detoxifies better than distilled water, but without the mineral depletion. It actually helps restore minerals, because there is a concentration of minerals, in ionized form, meaning they are tiny enough to be absorbed.

[BrownEye]

According to Emoto's research team, they were able to change the vibrational quality of the water through intention alone. Kind of makes me wonder if we really need any of these technologies, or maybe they are serving as a stepping stone to help open our minds up to the possibilities, until we realize that the machines were unnecessary all along.

There is software that does this. It puts up nifty graphics with a timer and after the timer runs out you look at the water and it is changed. Looking into the design it is based on your "belief" that the water changes, the software only puts up pretty graphics to help you believe it does something. The taste results are the same if I just play sounds to the water. Like if I play the tone of the sun to a bottle of water it tastes like citrus.

Another experiment I did was to put some strong magnets on my blender. Everything that runs through it becomes sweeter. Wasn't sure if it was just me so I had my wife taste the first trial and she noticed a taste difference also.

For example, I have had many people come in with a "diagnosis" of parasites in their intestines. Only when we ran a stool test, we didn't find evidence of parasites. We did however find other things! Like candida, MRSA, H. pylori, etc. The list goes on and on! Then one time we DID find pinworms in an adult male. Never would have suspected it!

I would use a zapper before doing a stool test. The first use will have enough die-off that all sorts of ugly stuff migth show up.

[Bring4th_Steve]

I can never seem to learn enough here!

Ok, what's a zapper?

What is the tone of the sun and how do I play it so I can experiment on water, too?

Magnets on a blender? Are you saying the water seemed sweeter when it was blended? What kind of magnets were used?

Pickle, I am finding that between here, the Orgone thread, and the crystal energy thread, you are one fascinating dude! Seriously! You're into some really cool stuff.

Steve

[Monica]

what's a zapper?

http://www.drclark.net/en/products_devic...zapper.php

Pickle, I am finding that between here, the Orgone thread, and the crystal energy thread, you are one fascinating dude! Seriously! You're into some really cool stuff.
Steve

Most definitely!

[Tenet Nosce]

Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to convey the context of what happened to me and why I feel distilled water is dangerous long-term.

No, no, thank you for sharing that story! My apologies for taking so long to get back over here. I have been preoccupied with my investigations into 5D manipulations of world history.

We decided to get a water purification system some months ago. I had been long putting off a decision because of all the conflicting arguments going on. Particularly the "distilled water leaches your minerals" bit. Actually, I would never recommend to somebody to drink plain distilled water... and have had to talk people out of it in the past.

But the argument is made based on the osmotic pressure of having literally nothing in the water. So adding the minerals back in should, theoretically, take care of that. You said earlier that even this is not enough, but didn't come back to that in your story.

I eat a very nutrient-dense diet, and when I do drink the water I add the minerals back in and/or take it with a supplement or with food. I very rarely drink the distilled water by itself. We did this for a little while back when we first got the distiller and it actually made us more thirsty! After using the ConcenTrace, this effect disappeared. Any more info on this? I would hate to be causing myself and my loved ones harm, but I had to make a decision one way or another. Based on my research, I thought perhaps this was the happy medium between cost, safety, effectiveness, and practicality.

Hrmmm. Well one thing different is that I haven't been doing any kind of long term cleanses, fasts [currently on my first 5-day juice fast], or colonics. (In fact, I get frustrated that so many people get hoodwinked into this incessant need to "cleanse" ala the guru du jour.) Although I see its value.

I wonder how much of the effects you experienced were because the distilled water was layered on top of all those other things, as you mentioned. All of those colonics could have wiped out your gut microbiota, and compromised your barrier functions. You mentioned magnesium, but with a broad plant-based diet magnesium shouldn't be an issue...??

Hrrrrrmmmmm.... there is something important to discern here it just hasn't hit me quite yet!

[BrownEye]

Well one thing different is that I haven't been doing any kind of long term cleanses, fasts [currently on my first 5-day juice fast], or colonics. (In fact, I get frustrated that so many people get hoodwinked into this incessant need to "cleanse" ala the guru du jour.) Although I see its value.

A diet change alone will cause a long term cleanse. If the change is gradual there is less detox symptoms, while still cleansing the body. After a couple months of being vegetarian I found that I was taking in too much fiber, and had to change things around.

A clean diet builds a clean body. A clean body builds a clean mind. A clean mind builds a clean spirit. That is what it means to me to say "cleanliness is next to godliness".

[Monica]

No, no, thank you for sharing that story! My apologies for taking so long to get back over here. I have been preoccupied with my investigations into 5D manipulations of world history.

Gosh, sounds like you've been focused on very important things!

I would never recommend to somebody to drink plain distilled water... and have had to talk people out of it in the past.

I'm glad to hear that. Apparently, some health practitioners still recommend distilled water. They seem to be very rigid about it! When I offer info on ionized Water to naturopaths, they tend to be either very open, or rock-solid closed-minded, believing with a religious fervor that distilled water is the best. I'm always rather amused when I encounter one of those - they fit the description to a T like what you were describing - zealots who are closed to any new info!

But, fortunately, they are the exceptions. Most naturopaths are horrified to learn that I drank distilled water for 15 years.

Anyway, I'm relieved you're not like that!

But the argument is made based on the osmotic pressure of having literally nothing in the water. So adding the minerals back in should, theoretically, take care of that. You said earlier that even this is not enough, but didn't come back to that in your story.

That's what I thought too. Later I learned that it's not just the distilled water being 'hungry' (devoid of minerals). It's also very acidic. It comes out of the distiller neutral, but immediately starting interacting with the air and oxidizing. Get some pH drops and test your water fresh from the distiller and again an hour later, and again a few hours later. You will find that it gets more and more acidic. Then try adding in some minerals and see how much you have to add, to make it neutral.

It's also oxidizing, but then so are all bottled waters and reverse osmosis waters. Only freshly melted snow or glaciers, and some of the 'sacred' springs, produce water that is alkaline and antioxidant. And water ionizer machines. But once the water is bottled, it loses its properties. So bottled water labeled 'glacier water' isn't really glacier water. Source isn't nearly as important as state.

We did this for a little while back when we first got the distiller and it actually made us more thirsty!

Yeah that happened to me too. I just couldn't drink enough. I was always thirsty.

After using the ConcenTrace, this effect disappeared. Any more info on this? I would hate to be causing myself and my loved ones harm, but I had to make a decision one way or another. Based on my research, I thought perhaps this was the happy medium between cost, safety, effectiveness, and practicality.

That's exactly what I thought. It made sense to me, to start with the purest water and just add the minerals back in. But it wasn't enough to fully restructure the 'dead' water. Try testing your water with pH drops and an ORP meter. You will find that it is acidic, unless you add so many drops that it's salty. And you will find that it test oxidizing. Why drink acidic, oxidizing water when you could be drinking alkaline, antioxidant, crystalline structured water?

Hrmmm. Well one thing different is that I haven't been doing any kind of long term cleanses, fasts [currently on my first 5-day juice fast], or colonics. (In fact, I get frustrated that so many people get hoodwinked into this incessant need to "cleanse" ala the guru du jour.) Although I see its value.

Such intense cleansing definitely has value, to detox, especially those with acute conditions of excess and toxicity. But it should only be done short-term. Some people get too carried away and become cleansing junkies. In my case, I naively listened to the 'expert' who kept me coming back for over 3 years! It was outrageous! I wasn't even very sick, and she kept telling me I was still 'toxic'! I got down to 97 pounds (not as bad as it sounds - I'm only 4'11" so I was just slim, not skinny), with clear skin and never caught a cold, and still she kept telling me I was 'toxic'!! She helped me at first but also did a lot of damage.

I wonder how much of the effects you experienced were because the distilled water was layered on top of all those other things, as you mentioned.

Undoubtedly.

All of those colonics could have wiped out your gut microbiota, and compromised your barrier functions. You mentioned magnesium, but with a broad plant-based diet magnesium shouldn't be an issue...??

Yeah, I actually got dependent on colonics for awhile...and get this: The nutritionist actually admitted that she was dependent on them too!! She couldn't have normal bodily functions but needed help each day. How creepy is that! That's when I woke up and said, "Whoa....this isn't right. This woman is crazy!" She didn't teach her patients how to have healthy lifestyles. She just kept them coming back to her. Can you say S-T-S?

Ah, but this is digging up stuff I have forgiven long ago...I am just sharing this, in the hopes that others learn from my mistakes. Tenet, your examples of fanatics doing things that were obviously unhealthy...I was one of those people. But in my case, it was naivete, not fanaticism. It was more similar to people who let MDs talk them into doing barbaric things like chemo...those people aren't fanatics either but just don't know any better. They've been led to believe that the 'experts' know best and they give away their free will. Religious programming is at the root of this. We've been taught, "Don't question authority." I just traded one authority for another.

I finally woke up and left her program. She didn't like that. I did my own research and learned about a healthy lifestyle, instead of just being sick. And I did very well for about 10 years (which is why I blame the distilled water more than I do the cleansing, since I didn't get sick til 10 years after all the cleansing, after doing well all that time...I got sick within a couple of years of drinking distilled water). I did lots of probiotics to fix the digestive issues. I can't say for sure mag deficiency was the culprit. It might have been minerals in general. The algae kept me alive, I am certain of that. Acupuncturists told me I had insufficient chi.

All I know is, those problems all cleared up, as if magically, within a few months of drinking ionized water. And no, it wasn't placebo. If it were just placebo, then it would have happened with the other brand of machine I had previously. I knew very little about the water and actually didn't even have expectations that it would help my problems. I just wanted to do everything I could to prevent the big C.

Hrrrrrmmmmm.... there is something important to learn here it just hasn't hit me quite yet!

Please let me know when it hits you! As for me, I am just one of many, many thousands of people who had health challenges that had not responded to allopathic medicine or even alternative medicine, but did respond to this water. Being that our bodies are 70% water, well, that could be a clue!

[Tenet Nosce]

I'm glad to hear that. Apparently, some health practitioners still recommend distilled water. They seem to be very rigid about it! When I offer info on Kangen Water to naturopaths, they tend to be either very open, or rock-solid closed-minded, believing with a religious fervor that distilled water is the best. I'm always rather amused when I encounter one of those - they fit the description to a T like what you were describing - zealots who are closed to any new info!

But, fortunately, they are the exceptions. Most naturopaths are horrified to learn that I drank distilled water for 15 years.

Yes, IMO the biggest detractors to the progress of naturopathic medicine is just those naturopaths. They are the ones providing fodder for the Quackwatchers/Barretts of society. Then others incorrectly generalize that all naturopaths must agree with the vocal minority.

That's what I thought too. Later I learned that it's not just the distilled water being 'hungry' (devoid of minerals). It's also very acidic. It comes out of the distiller neutral, but immediately starting interacting with the air and oxidizing. Get some pH drops and test your water fresh from the distiller and again an hour later, and again a few hours later. You will find that it gets more and more acidic. Then try adding in some minerals and see how much you have to add, to make it neutral.

I will look into the pH drops because this does boggle my mind a bit. According to my understanding of chemistry, oxygen cannot react with water to produce an acid. I am assuming you have done this experiment yourself?

That's exactly what I thought. It made sense to me, to start with the purest water and just add the minerals back in. But it wasn't enough to fully restructure the 'dead' water. Try testing your water with pH drops and an ORP meter. You will find that it is acidic, unless you add so many drops that it's salty. And you will find that it test oxidizing. Why drink acidic, oxidizing water when you could be drinking alkaline, antioxidant, crystalline structured water?

I see what you are getting at!

Such intense cleansing definitely has value, to detox, especially those with acute conditions of excess and toxicity. But it should only be done short-term. Some people get too carried away and become cleansing junkies. In my case, I naively listened to the 'expert' who kept me coming back for over 3 years! It was outrageous! I wasn't even very sick, and she kept telling me I was still 'toxic'! I got down to 97 pounds (not as bad as it sounds - I'm only 4'11" so I was just slim, not skinny), with clear skin and never caught a cold, and still she kept telling me I was 'toxic'!! She helped me at first but also did a lot of damage.

Yes! And pardon my francois but it really pisses me off that these people are out there. Some of them call themselves "naturopaths" but do not have a medical degree. They either took weekend or online courses, etc.

Tenet, your examples of fanatics doing things that were obviously unhealthy...I was one of those people. But in my case, it was naivete, not fanaticism.

Bingo! See this is what I am talking about. Just as you were opening up to alternative medicine you got hoodwinked by some guru who knocked you sideways before you could even get started! That is my beef with the zealots... they are preaching the loudest and attract the most attention. And they draw in naive people, pretty much steal their money, and in many cases destroy their health.

This is also what I am getting at with activist groups that sort of turn a blind eye to fanatics within their own group. Maybe they see them as harmless, but this is hardly the case.

Please let me know when it hits you! As for me, I am just one of many, many thousands of people who had health challenges that had not responded to allopathic medicine or even alternative medicine, but did respond to this water. Being that our bodies are 70% water, well, that could be a clue!

I will keep you posted!

[Monica]

Yes, IMO the biggest detractors to the progress of naturopathic medicine is just those naturopaths. They are the ones providing fodder for the Quackwatchers/Barretts of society. Then others incorrectly generalize that all naturopaths must agree with the vocal minority.

Agreed. Add to that, that there is a wide range in skill and knowledge among these practitioners, as well as different approaches used. At one end of the spectrum are those who have gone to school for many years with myriad licenses, and at the other end, those who just attended a few weekend workshops and rely on muscle testing for everything!

I will look into the pH drops because this does boggle my mind a bit. According to my understanding of chemistry, oxygen cannot react with water to produce an acid. I am assuming you have done this experiment yourself?

I never took chemistry so I cannot explain how or why it happens. I just know that the pH of water does indeed change. Yes I have tested it, many times, with many types of water, including distilled. I do this every day.

I see what you are getting at!

Yes, it's like comparing eating canned, dead food with fresh food from the garden.

Yes! And pardon my francois but it really pisses me off that these people are out there. Some of them call themselves "naturopaths" but do not have a medical degree. They either took weekend or online courses, etc.

Ha, exactly what I just said, before I read this!

Bingo! See this is what I am talking about. Just as you were opening up to alternative medicine you got hoodwinked by some guru who knocked you sideways before you could even get started! That is my beef with the zealots... they are preaching the loudest and attract the most attention. And they draw in naive people, pretty much steal their money, and in many cases destroy their health.

Agreed! This woman was definitely a zealot, in more ways than one. And I was young and naive. I found out later, from a local homeopathic doctor as well as a wholistic dentist, that she has harmed many people. These practitioners told me they've seen many of her ex-patients who have a similar pattern of mineral deficiency and unusual illnesses, after being on her program for several years.

She definitely put herself in the position of 'guru' although with a Christian flavor.

I'm glad we reached an understanding about the distinction between one who has strong convictions, vs. a zealot. A zealot isn't someone who follow this or that diet or lifestyle, no matter how radical it might seem. Being labeled a zealot has nothing to do with how radical the diet or lifestyle is. A zealot is someone who is so rigid in their thinking that they've made it into a religious dogma, with no room for ever considering any other points of view, and the blindly try to impose those views onto others.

I remember when I left that practitioner. I was searching for answers and told her what I had learned. O told her that I still wanted her input, but wanted to also integrate my own approach. In other words, I wanted to work together with her, instead of me just obediently following her orders. She asked me if I had prayed and whether I felt guided by God to do what I was doing. I said yes. She said, "Then you aren't hearing God. Because God wouldn't be telling you one thing and me another. If you were being guided by God, you wouldn't be getting these ideas in your head that conflict with my program, and at the same time, want help from me." (something like that.)

Basically, it was 'all or nothing' with her. Either I did what she said, or she wouldn't work with me at all. She didn't recognize my ability to have any sort of personal guidance myself. She wanted followers, not independent thinkers.

I never went back to her after that.

This is also what I am getting at with activist groups that sort of turn a blind eye to fanatics within their own group. Maybe they see them as harmless, but this is hardly the case.

Well they don't all belong to a 'group.' This particular woman was independent. No one claims her. It's not like there's a neatly structured organization and it's clear who belongs in which 'group.' To mainstream people, it might appear that all those practitioners fit under the 'wholistic' umbrella, but amongst themselves, they are all independent.
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[Tenet Nosce]

rely on muscle testing for everything!

I never took chemistry so I cannot explain how or why it happens. I just know that the pH of water does indeed change. Yes I have tested it, many times, with many types of water, including distilled. I do this every day.

Which test do you use again?

Ha, exactly what I just said, before I read this!

She definitely put herself in the position of 'guru' although with a Christian flavor.

A potentially deadly combination.

A zealot isn't someone who follow this or that diet or lifestyle, no matter how radical it might seem. Being labeled a zealot has nothing to do with how radical the diet or lifestyle is. A zealot is someone who is so rigid in their thinking that they've made it into a religious dogma, with no room for ever considering any other points of view, and the blindly try to impose those views onto others.

Right. There is a huge difference in sharing your experiences with others and offering it out as one path, among many, that they might find helpful. Offering it as the "one true way" is extremely naive, and potentially harmful, whether or not the intention is to be of service to others. I have a difficult time seeing how somebody who is running that operating system would be able to function in 4D with any degree of freedom.

She said, "Then you aren't hearing God. Because God wouldn't be telling you one thing and me another. If you were being guided by God, you wouldn't be getting these ideas in your head that conflict with my program, and at the same time, want help from me." (something like that.)

If somebody told that to me I might be inclined to drop my pants and take a big dump on their shoes and ask them what God has to say about that!

She wanted followers, not independent thinkers.

Why somebody would want followers is beyond my understanding. That sounds like the epitome of self-serving behavior to me!

[Monica]

Which test do you use again?

pH drops for pH, ORP meter for oxidizing/antioxidizing in millivolts, and teabags and/or green superfoods powder to test for microclustering/restructuring. Also, microbubbles can be observed, indicating free hydrogen, although nanobubbles of free hydrogen aren't visible to the naked eye.

A potentially deadly combination.

Yeah no kidding! Literally!

Right. There is a huge difference in sharing your experiences with others and offering it out as one path, among many, that they might find helpful. Offering it as the "one true way" is extremely naive, and potentially harmful, whether or not the intention is to be of service to others. I have a difficult time seeing how somebody who is running that operating system would be able to function in 4D with any degree of freedom.

Agreed!

If somebody told that to me I might be inclined to drop my pants and take a big dump on their shoes and ask them what God has to say about that!

LOL!

Why somebody would want followers is beyond my understanding. That sounds like the epitome of self-serving behavior to me!

We can't understand it because it is STS behavior, cloaked in a false STO package.