(07-10-2011, 10:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Similarly, humans and their domestic animals have a symbiotic relationship that has evolved over millennia.
Can you explain how the animals on factory farms have a 'symbiotic' relationship with their tormentors and executioners?
(07-10-2011, 10:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: In fact, cows, chickens, and others no longer exist in the wild. I'm not sure if you'll find this compelling or not, but if humans stop raising and eating cattle, the number of cattle on the planet is likely to decline drastically.
The mainstream evolutionary view might consider the numbers of a species important, but we know that entities can incarnate into whatever physical vehicles meet their needs. A particular species is less important, in light of this. Far more important, in my opinion, is the quality of life, and the quality of the incarnative experience.
The huge number of cattle and chickens currently incarnate is abnormal. And they have no lives, only torture. It's an abomination.
(07-10-2011, 10:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Research done by Allen Savory and others in southern Africa and the American southwest has shown that grasslands and other environments attain their optimal health only in the presence of large herds of herbivores and their predators. Many ranchers and farmers (including myself in a very small way) are attempting to improve their land by managing their animals in such a way as to mimic the behavior of wild herds. I believe that restoring the great herds and their predators, such as the bison and the wolves, will go a long way towards healing the earth and will, in fact, be one of the early focuses of fourth density here.
Sure, I'm cool with that. I just don't think humans are natural predators of these animals and we should get out of their way.
For Tenet:
Forks Over Knives
Interestingly, as many months as this thread has been active, and as many times other vegetarians and I have invited people to get educated about the meat industry, no one has responded by telling us that they actually watched the videos. I wonder how anyone can claim to have an opinion about something, they haven't bothered to learn about!
So here they are again:
Standard Life of Broiler Chickens
Meet Your Meat Part 1
Meet Your Meat Part 2
I invite all those who think eating animals is ok, to actually watch these videos, in their entirety, and then think about whether you still feel the same way.