Saga of Polarity

[AnthroHeart]

I have assumed but am not clear on, is the Creator the same Creator who created our Octave? And is IT the creator of ALL Octaves?

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What I'm not clear on, is the Creator the same Creator who created our Octave? Did the Creator create ALL Octaves, or is it a Logos that creates Octaves?

[Unbound]

First density starts with CONSCIOUSNESS, rather, the development of consciousness, which means that "Logos" is in fact only referring to the focusing of Light.

consciousness is something that is there before densities or creation apparently. for, the very concept 'creator' coming into being, is a result of that, or, a feature of that.

'infinity became aware' is the first thing to happen. all the rest, including the creator, comes after.

Yes, well since the density is the first "cycle" it is the first developmental phase of that concept of consciousness in a Creator condition. I believe we are in agreeance.

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I have assumed but am not clear on, is the Creator the same Creator who created our Octave? And is IT the creator of ALL Octaves?

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What I'm not clear on, is the Creator the same Creator who created our Octave? Did the Creator create ALL Octaves, or is it a Logos that creates Octaves?

The Creator creates all, there is no discrepency. A Logos is a distortion of The Creator.

[unity100]

First density starts with CONSCIOUSNESS, rather, the development of consciousness, which means that "Logos" is in fact only referring to the focusing of Light.

consciousness is something that is there before densities or creation apparently. for, the very concept 'creator' coming into being, is a result of that, or, a feature of that.

'infinity became aware' is the first thing to happen. all the rest, including the creator, comes after.

Yes, well since the density is the first "cycle" it is the first developmental phase of that concept of consciousness in a Creator condition. I believe we are in agreeance.

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your approach is too limited.

at the point where infinity became aware, or, the creator came into being, there was no concept like densities. a creation or manifestation wasnt even in existence.

and even after that, ie - the creator point - there isnt a 'first' density. what we call an octave is just one among infinite number of octaves. and the point you are mentioning - even the creator point - is above all these infinite octaves (and their densities) and even more concepts that may or may not be related to existing creation.

[Bring4th_Steve]

consciousness is something that is there before densities or creation apparently. for, the very concept 'creator' coming into being, is a result of that, or, a feature of that.

'infinity became aware' is the first thing to happen. all the rest, including the creator, comes after.

Yes, well since the density is the first "cycle" it is the first developmental phase of that concept of consciousness in a Creator condition. I believe we are in agreeance.

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Azrael, I don't think I agree with that, but I also think it may just be the way it is worded. Can you re-phrase that idea again?

Thanks,
Steve

[Unbound]

First density starts with CONSCIOUSNESS, rather, the development of consciousness, which means that "Logos" is in fact only referring to the focusing of Light.

consciousness is something that is there before densities or creation apparently. for, the very concept 'creator' coming into being, is a result of that, or, a feature of that.

'infinity became aware' is the first thing to happen. all the rest, including the creator, comes after.

Yes, well since the density is the first "cycle" it is the first developmental phase of that concept of consciousness in a Creator condition. I believe we are in agreeance.

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your approach is too limited.

at the point where infinity became aware, or, the creator came into being, there was no concept like densities. a creation or manifestation wasnt even in existence.

and even after that, ie - the creator point - there isnt a 'first' density. what we call an octave is just one among infinite number of octaves. and the point you are mentioning - even the creator point - is above all these infinite octaves (and their densities) and even more concepts that may or may not be related to existing creation.

To be fair, all of these points happened simultaneously and are happening simultaneously. So realistically, all of these concepts were of course already "developed" at the "beginning". Perhaps I should have used the word "refining" or "elaborating" instead, it's probably more accurate.

Nothing is above anything else in the universe, everything is connected to everything else and thus absolutely necessary. When I say the first density is the first developmental stage of consciousness I am simply refering to the fact that at the beginning of each octave consciousness, having been in singularity, once again begins to diversify itself in new patterns. As in, the first density is where the concepts for the rest of the octave take root.

I just imagine the beginning of an octave to be like God coming out of a heavy sleep, gradually cognizing its new existence.

[unity100]

To be fair, all of these points happened simultaneously and are happening simultaneously. So realistically, all of these concepts were of course already "developed" at the "beginning".

these only hold true while approaching infinity from infinite intelligence, or maybe even infinite intelligence from creator.

Nothing is above anything else in the universe, everything is connected to everything else and thus absolutely necessary.

first, there is no relevance in between 'being necessary', and above/below or before/after.

ra says, first, there was infinity. then, infinity become aware. this means, however you take it, infinite intelligence point is AFTER or BELOW infinity point. however you name it, it doesnt matter. it means, infinity encompasses infinite intelligence, and something else.

moreover, ra says that creation happens hierarchically. then it is apparent that if you go above the hierarchical spread-out that happens from creator to central suns, infinity precedes infinite intelligence and the source for it.

When I say the first density is the first developmental stage of consciousness I am simply refering to the fact that at the beginning of each octave consciousness, having been in singularity, once again begins to diversify itself in new patterns.

singularity before octaves is doubtful. there are infinite octaves, and even during an octave, entities from other octave can come and go as wanderers. therefore, concept of a singularity at a point where infinite octaves happen is questionable. for that to hold true, all octaves need to end all at the same point, and start all at the same point. else, when an octave returns to singularity, there will be other octaves in progress, and this will mean there isnt a singularity at that point.

I just imagine the beginning of an octave to be like God coming out of a heavy sleep, gradually cognizing its new existence.

if the word 'god' refers to 'the creator' or infinite intelligence at this point, that cannot pass valid.

infinite intelligence is above all octaves, and part of infinite number of octaves at the same time. in addition to their start, and their end. therefore, heavy sleep - cognitive sequence cannot be valid for it.

it can be valid for any part of infinite intelligence that is manifesting in an octave though - like us, here.

[Unbound]

Oy vey, your thinking is way too linear for me. I understand your points, but they are all absolutely third dimensional in foundation and I don't feel they give justice to the true simultineity of events. Linear time is only a perception which you can choose to organize for yourself, but if you look at actual experience the only verifiable notion of time is this singular moment. Everything else beyond this moment is only a potential, a possibility. Even the past is not so certain, do any of us truly remember our pasts as accurately as moment to moment? Don't get me wrong, the universe is certainly logical, I simply view events in an active/passive sort of way.

Also, isn't the 7th supposed to be the density of the unity gateway? Although perhaps this is simply a return to the self as creator and not yet the infinite creator, who knows? I thought it's all the same.

And does the creator not experience all that we experience? What is the difference between saying it happens to us and not to "it", if we are all simply portions of it?

[unity100]

there is nothing 'linear' with this. it doesnt matter how you name it - larger, greater, 'before', 'after'. there was infinity first, and infinity came 'after'.

if we look at actual experience the only verifiable notion of time is not this singular moment. as Ra says, there is future and past in 3rd density. this is probably valid for all octaves and their mid-densities : if all octaves are heartbeats in which everything first spreads out/separates and the combines/unifies, then it means everything comes from octave-unison from the start of octave, and goes to octave unison at the end.

imagine infinite number of strings that start from one point and end in another, creating a sphere with their endless numbers. imagine one point of this is start point of octave, and the other end, end of the octave. there is singularity at start of octave and end, but for everything in between, there are observable threads.

you can call these threads whatever you can. parallel universes if you take it in a octave-level, parallel existences if you take it in an entity level and so on.

it is true that when in the whole of the picture, there is no tomorrow, or yesterday, but only an everpresent now in which it is possible to traverse any point - but for anything that is ON one of those threads, there is a future, and there is now until they reach from one point to another, or pass to other threads through probabilities.

let me summarize what i think about this in simpler words :

all this 'everpresent now' and 'time is linear' talk is exaggerated, overrated and inapplicable - for any entity that is not approximating octave end, there is change, there is time, there is past and future. the 'everpresent now' and timelessness is in entity's FUTURE development point - aka, mind/body/spirit complex totality.

referral to a future timepoint does not make it a reality for the entity now.

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everything aside, there would be no point in creating a physical manifestation to make entities progress in it, if the physical manifestation did not separate cause-effect, past-present-future, this-that relationships into understandable, digestable and usable levels. it is because that we have a creation in which entities are learning lessons and experiencing things and associating them with their relevant occurrences.

else it would be an everpresent everchaotic now in which everything happened all at the same time, and it would be impossible to perceive anything, even at spirit level.

[Unbound]

Is that not truly what it is? Maybe that's precisely what it is and it is in fact only our own sense of limitation which causes us to meticulously organize it in to a comprehensible third density form. Indeed, we are here to learn, but learn what exactly? I hear this a lot, "the purpose of everything is to learn", well, what is the point of learning anything if ultimately The Creator is always the mastermind sitting at the top? I imagine a Creator that desires to exceed itself, and this is why it has intermingled its individually powerful parts so that those parts may amalgamate in to something even more expansive. We should not view the Creator as a final goal or destination to be reached, the One is not an accomplishment, but truly the first real new beginning.

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Don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying, but I insist this is a perceptual limitation. This is only an illusion we are in, afterall.

[unity100]

Is that not truly what it is? Maybe that's precisely what it is and it is in fact only our own sense of limitation which causes us to meticulously organize it in to a comprehensible third density form.

there isnt anything 'third density' about all these. these concepts, actually shouldnt have been here in third density even. third density is the interaction of entity with other entities. all these information, ranging from science to spirituality is here because extensive amounts of information was relayed to this planet by wanderers and similar.

these are not 3rd density concepts. these are probably not even 4d concepts. these are very probably at least 5d and higher information and concepts. actually, it has to be 6d concepts, because learning, understanding, and using existential mechanics and the way universe works seems to be the activity of the co-creating density, 6d.

naturally this reflects in this experiential nexus (whatever we call this point in time in this 3d) - extreme amounts of gadgetry, creations, creating more even before others are used, too much science and technology to the point that 3d shouldnt have, even playing with things that dont have a place in 3d experience (temporal black hole generation in lhc to global scale genetic modification). not to mention endless amount of systems, methods discovered and, applied to life in a density that couldnt handle all of these.

Indeed, we are here to learn, but learn what exactly? I hear this a lot, "the purpose of everything is to learn", well, what is the point of learning anything if ultimately

the purpose for entities of 3d, is decision of service with the understanding that 'there are others than me'. its rather as simple as that.

for wanderers, and any others participating in this experience from their level (disincarnate entities, entities observing this from outside physically or telephatically or spiritually) the general theme seems to be learning not to supply more information/amenities/technology/whatever than a density's entities can responsibly accept/appreciate/use. maldek, mars, and this. this is what i see from this vantage point. unless there is a very very delicate catch about the past of this solar system that we dont know.

of course it goes without saying that all of these entities probably have infinitely varied lessons/experiences they need to draw from this thing happening here in general, and that doesnt necessarily need to be related with the general theme i mentioned above.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying, but I insist this is a perceptual limitation. This is only an illusion we are in, afterall.

and that is what i am objecting - all this talk of false escape, false rejection of the reality - that seems to stem from teachings which are generally out of india :

the limitation, 'illusion' you speak about, is the extent of reality as far as we have been able to discover and create. there is no other concept of 'reality' so that this one will be an 'illusion' compared to it. the extent of 'reality', 'experience', is this. infinite intelligence realized the existence of the concept of being more than one, and the extent of 'being more than one' explored and seen in our experience, currently, is this. there may be even further than this in future, and probably, there will, as per the necessities of infinity.

referral to a future point in existence - like octave end, or, the point where there is the manifestation of infinite intelligence only, in the 'above' parts of existence - will not make this one 'unreal'.

if, one descends from the 'above' or 'before' point that only infinite intelligence is there towards this point, s/he will find this 'illusion' present here, just like how s/he left endless octaves ago. this, was real at this point. everything changed the next. everything now being different has not made the moment before, 'unreal'.

by the way it is rather curious that people use the word 'reality' 'reality' 'reality' over and over - what is the definition of reality in the first place ....

[drifting pages]

I honestly feel that the need to categorize and analyze a dream is sort of pointless. We are thoughts, i am thought and truth seams unknowable.

SO I go forward as long as I will and let it be.

What point is there in infinity but to be infinity and therefore also all the ideas it potentiates.

In the end it never mattered.

Your relationship with 0 makes it matter or not in the moment.

I am the experience and reality, the breath of knowing, a possibility actualized. This is all the moment is.

That has been my take on it.

[3DMonkey]

I like that, Drifting Pages.

It really gets to the source.

What we are this moment is what all is.

[Unbound]

Exactly, drifting pages and 3D!

[Oceania]

well taking clues from our HS from dreams seems to be the point.