Now THIS is REALLY INTERESTING!!

[Raman]

Identification and projection. We are always slaves to our unconscious misunderstandings - whether we think we care or not.

Maybe zenmaster you are the one doing all this projection?

After all, what it was being discussed or argued about was because apparently, I was careless in my definition of wanderer, and I did not address the issue because I did not see it as that important as to start an argument...Then you posted right in the middle?


Maybe I am wrong, and I believe you have come a long way form previous arrogant posts...I think you are opening up yourself more and I like that.

Maybe we should get together in the Home Coming and discuss all this like good wanderers...

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Raman, I intially placed myself as the Flaky referenced by Zenmaster. I did, LOL, but I had to really process it before I could remove myself from where I had consciously placed myself. You may be doing the same. Who knows what or who he had in mind while writing that? But I still initially took it to be me, and it wasn't his fault that I did that. Whatever way I justified it, I removed my perception that it was me. My bias. My distortion.

(By the way, I always think of ramen too. Not to be insulting)

Why do you think I chose that handle? I love top ramen!! It is great. It causes good old diabetes, has no antioxidants and they go right to my thighs!

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I did not view it as an attack...others apparently did...

I guess I was naive enough to take personally. Maybe you can provide a quote next time? So I know what exactly you are referring to? There are indeed differences between wanderers and dual activated one ...of course! But dual activated entities are 4d harvested...already harvested...that is 4d in a 3d (for now) body...able to withstand 4d vibrations...however, will die as 3d bodies die....The difference is dual activated ones have dual activated bodies are come only from 4d. Veil related and things like that will happen after 4d activation. A spirit of not a 3d density is a wandering spirit. Even in 4d astral planes and not incarnated. Could I be wrong, yes. Do I care? Maybe not so much at this point.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I'll provide quotes since you asked. Even though you say that you don't care whether what you say is "wrong," I'll continue the discussion because it seems like you wish to.

Yes, the dual activated beings are harvested, 4D beings. Yes, they are incarnating into our 3rd density environment, but they are not "wandering." This is their home for 4D existence.

63.15 Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the harvesting process?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service-to-others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.

The "veil-related" things do not wait until after 4D activation, as we see from these exchanges:

63.14 Ra: ...We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

"Conscientiously are aware," not "will be aware."

63.18 Questioner: I am assuming that the reason for this is, first, since the entities of harvestable third-density who very recently have been coming here are coming here late enough so that they will not affect the polarization through their teachings. They are not infringing upon the first distortion because they are children now and they won’t be old enough to really affect any of the polarization until the transition is well advanced. However, the Wanderers who have come here are older and have a greater ability to affect the polarization. They must do their affecting as a function of their ability to penetrate the forgetting process in order to be within the first distortion. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.

This free will would not need to be considered if the penetration were to only happen after a certain date.


Just for the heck of it, here's Ra not including dual-activated entities in their estimate of the number of Wanderers:

63.10 Questioner: I think you said there were 60 million Wanderers, approximately, here now. Am I correct in that memory?
Ra: I am Ra. This is approximately correct. There is some excess to that amount.

63.11 Questioner: Does that number include the harvestable entities who are coming to this planet for the fourth-density experience?
Ra: I am Ra. No.

And for your knowing pleasure, Ra's very definition of Wanderer and how they are different from a dual activated entity:

63.17 Questioner: Is the reason that they can do this and the fifth-density Wanderers who are here cannot do it the fact that they have the fourth-density body in activation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Wanderers are third-density activated in mind/body/spirit and are subject to the forgetting which can only be penetrated with disciplined meditation and working.

Wanderers are third-density activated, even the 4D ones. Wandering includes subjecting oneself to the forgetting. The dual-activated beings are incarnating here for 4D work, in 4D bodies and in the 4D sphere, but since 3D is interpenetrating to such a great extent, they must take on a 3D body as well to help aid the transition to 4D. Their veil is thinner and their mission is different from the Wanderers of Ra's definition.

Do I post this to prove you wrong or to prove myself right? Absolutely not. I post this for the same exact reason I brought it up to begin with: so we can all be on the same page as each other and as Ra when discussing dual activated entities and Wanderers. God knows I need help understanding the intricacies of the Ra material sometimes, and I'm grateful to those willing to discuss it with me on these forums.

[Raman]

Raman, I intially placed myself as the Flaky referenced by Zenmaster. I did, LOL, but I had to really process it before I could remove myself from where I had consciously placed myself. You may be doing the same. Who knows what or who he had in mind while writing that? But I still initially took it to be me, and it wasn't his fault that I did that. Whatever way I justified it, I removed my perception that it was me. My bias. My distortion.

(By the way, I always think of ramen too. Not to be insulting)

Actually, Raman was the last name of a scientist that DW Larson acknowledged I think in
"the case against the nuclear atom" book...I thought it was a cool name because of "ra" and "man", but then I forgot "americans" love top ramen....

[Oceania]

always with refining that orange. yea. speaking of oranges. raman your name makes me hungry.. because we have a crap ton of ramen. your name makes me think of noodles.

me: hello mr noodle how are you?
mr noodle: why good and you?
quite good quite good, I even have my best hair on.
mr. noodle: quite, I'd say that was good use of your orange ray there.
Ra. I am Ra. I am in accordance with the noodle. Rejoice in the love of the Soup.
mr. noodle: hot springs city, aww yea.
me: slurp.

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sorry if that was corny.. I'm only copying Ocean

does that make me the flake? i have been called that. now i want some Flakes. but it's ok, i got chocolate.

[βαθμιαίος]

To go back to a couple of earlier discussions: It seems like ownership has both orange and yellow ray components; orange: it's mine; yellow: it's not yours. "[T]he green ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray." The legal system (yellow ray) enforces the system of ownership.

I think the orange-ray coloration of our social complex at this point has more to do with this: "Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self."

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As for the number of entities here now from Ra: Ra said that their harvest on Venus was six million. Do we think their numbers have grown since? If so, how? Given that third density harvest is of planets, typically, rather than individuals, and that one of the first tasks of early fourth density is to form a social memory complex, it doesn't seem that Ra's numbers would have increased that much via "immigration." Where would the new members of Ra have come from?

[native]

I was just reading another thread and thinking how valuable it is for Ra in balancing their naivety by directly incarnating here in large numbers and experiencing Earth through the veil. It would seem to aid in their progression.

As far as reverting to orange ray, it is interesting how many wanderers go through that process of rejecting society and becoming self-absorbed. Although it is also simply indicative of going through that broody teenage stage. It seems that there would be great planetary healing for wanderers to go through the act of reverting and processing it successfully moving into green ray vibrations.

[3DMonkey]

Who knows? Anywhere? Ra is a different beast all together, higher density existence and all. The seem to spread themselves out quite extensively. They built pyramids and then spoke through our beloved channel. Operating through time/space, perspective-wise, both were accomplished in the same month or less. They could've said "yeah, we built those pyramids yesterday".

This is just what I thought up when trying to come up with importance to how Ra's memberships might grow. Who knows?

[βαθμιαίος]

63.14 Ra: ...We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

"Conscientiously are aware," not "will be aware."

Just an interesting note: Ra actually said "consciously are aware": http://www.lawofone.info/show-diff.php?s...Relistened

[Bring4th_Austin]

63.14 Ra: ...We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

"Conscientiously are aware," not "will be aware."

Just an interesting note: Ra actually said "consciously are aware": http://www.lawofone.info/show-diff.php?s...Relistened

Your re-listening efforts are greatly appreciated. I was just going through the new "see the differences" section earlier...really cool to see it side-by-side and pinpoint the differences.

Consciously are aware makes much more sense!

[Oceania]

i'm a hermit. is that bad?

[3DMonkey]

i'm a hermit. is that bad?

No. I dream of being a hermit one day. (the grass is always greener )

[Oceania]

well i'm not allowed to be a hermit. but i try. i don't think i'd make it alone really but i want to try.

[Meerie]

Cannon's work is iffy..some of it is in-line with what we know and a lot of it isn't. We know that each soul goes through the same process of evolution, but didn't Ra say there were those that always existed at certain densities and inner/outer planes?

What we know...how can you be sure everything Ra says is right?
There is no absolute way of knowing, only resonating or not resonating. Everyone chooses for himself.

[Ankh]

What we know...how can you be sure everything Ra says is right?
There is no absolute way of knowing, only resonating or not resonating. Everyone chooses for himself.

Because it's RAAAA!!! *big drea.... Kidding!

No really, you are right, Ra said that what they offer is their own "distortion" of their reality, and I think that they hope that people listen to themselves instead, whether it resonates or not.

[Meerie]

Yeah right! it just so worries me that many people here on b4th seem to take everything Ra says as the absolute truth.
Each message contains truth but also distortion.

[AnthroHeart]

It's interesting because before Ra was helping me, and nowadays I get that I'm to do this work myself.

[native]

What we know...how can you be sure everything Ra says is right?

Well, this is the Law of One website and so I'm going to weigh other information against it because that's what we're here to talk about. But if you read the rest of my post, I went on to agree and say that it's possible.

Yeah right! it just so worries me that many people here on b4th seem to take everything Ra says as the absolute truth.

Cannon's work is hypnotic regression which can be highly unreliable. I'm not discrediting her..I think she has been helpful with moving things along over the years..finding truth is a process. The Law of One information is pretty reliable given the trance method and the specificity and pureness of it. Mostly though I agree with it because it resonates with me, like you suggest. It is remembered information.

[Meerie]

The concept of "reliability" which other posters have also brought up in context with Ra does not resonate at all with me.
I just look at the information and take that which resonates. A bit of Dolores Cannon here, a bit of "who knows what" where... but reliability?
A left brain approach to a right brain issue. Finding the divine. Finding glimpses of truth.
you can find truth everywhere. I don't need reliability to find truth.
But I will stop now, don't want to derail this thread any further.

[Oceania]

i nthink it's irresponsible to put people under, is it like Carla's trance?

[Meerie]

no she has developed a technique with which she lets the higher self of the person talk... she establishes contact with the persons higher self.
And yes it is totally irresponsible, she drags people in from the street, puts them under drugs and then regresses them
For more info, please go to the Dolores Cannon thread in Olio.

[Oceania]

well she might not know that it's dangerous.

[3DMonkey]

Where do I sign up?

[native]

The concept of "reliability" which other posters have also brought up in context with Ra does not resonate at all with me.

We're all on different paths..it's to be expected.

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Where do I sign up?

lol

[JustOnePoint]

Have you guys seen this text on her website:

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-course.html

No lightworker who is going to do this course will go without it. So, if your situation is that you cannot afford to buy this course, write us an email describing your circumstances for your copy.

This seems to me to be a very balanced approach -- charge a reasonable price for those who have the money to spare, but yet still offer it for free for those who cannot afford the price of the course. She gets the material 3D support to help her continue her work from those who have the extra to share -- and yet nobody goes without the information she is offering. All it takes is the effort of writing an email.

[Monica]

Yeah right! it just so worries me that many people here on b4th seem to take everything Ra says as the absolute truth.
Each message contains truth but also distortion.

Well, this is, after all, a forum dedicated to the discussion of the Law of One, so it's no surprise that many students of the Law of One take the text very seriously.

There are other threads discussing whether Ra's words are 'infallible' or not. I personally don't consider the text infallible, but I do consider it to be the least distorted of anything I've ever read, anywhere. So I definitely don't think of it as 'just another channeled text'; it's way more than that, in my opinion.

[3DMonkey]

It is special. No doubt. Taking it seriously is a beneficial approach, IMO. Taking it as absolute truth, on the other hand, is against the material itself, IMO. Of course, allowing others to take it as absolute truth is in line with the material, IMO. (typing this, a past dream came to mind, driving in New Mexico mountain territory, a three way stop, approaching from the right hand T.... anyway)