Bilderberg group failing/ 4th D positve take over

[Bring4th_Austin]

I thought I would share a Q'uo passage I think may be relevant to this discussion of seeing evil in other-selves and acknowledging our own dark sides.

Knowing the self builds upon itself. When you first begin to know yourself, usually through the mirrors of other people and pondering what bothers you and what pleases you and taking all of those things into contemplation, you are disturbed by what you find. For you have a shadow side. We ask you to look fully into that shadow side, knowing that since all is one you are all things and you have a full range of selfhood.

Naturally, you have emphasized those parts of your personality which seem good to you. Yet those sides of the personality which seem dark are just as worthy, and just as worthy of respect, shall we say. They are a part of you and they need to be loved and honored. And this is where you come into accepting yourself. It often takes a long time to see yourself fully—the self that is the murderer, the rapist, the thief, the liar, all of those things you would never be, you would never act out. Yet you see them coming to you through the eyes, the actions, the thoughts of other people. And you say, “That couldn’t be me. That’s very disturbing.” And yet, my friends, you have those aspects within you. And they need to be acknowledged and loved and accepted. And then they need to be given orders from the daylight side, for they have their part to play in your service here.

If you take the thief and the rapist and the murderer and all of those anarchic elements, what they have in common is a kind of strength that sometimes is missing from the sweeter and more angelic side. And you need to have that grit, that perseverance, that ability to be bloody-minded for the good, to hold your ground, to hold the light and to remain yourself. Those shadow sides of personality are the elements that give you the depth of ability to stand your ground. They give teeth to your ideals. They give you a toughness that you would not otherwise have. And these are good things.

Consequently, we ask you as you look at yourself, as you get to know yourself, as you find these non-integrated portions of your shadow side, and to lift them up into your arms and to love them, to cradle them to you and to say, “Come work with me for the light. Come with me into the light.”

[norral]

no i like very much what u have to say and i wasnt implying that at all. u are right there is a difference between being angry and being furious. anger motivates us fury possesses us and thats not good.

norral

[Monica]

anybody out there angry about the gulf oil spill
about the lies coming out of japan
about the financial crisis of 2008.
about the fraud of 911
about the war in iraq
about the war in afghanistan
about the war in pakistan
about the war in libya
about the war in yemen
about chemothreapy that doesnt work
about suppressed cancer treatments
because they dont generate money like chemo does

take your pick brothers and sisters there is plenty to be angry about
i wont pretend that i am happy with that crap.

No one is asking you to pretend you are happy about those things. Those are all good reasons to be angry, and allow that anger to motivate you to do something about it.

But once the impetus for change has begun, anger has served its purpose. To hang on to it any longer, is to invite it to fester and corrode.

And none of those are reasons to hate or wish vengeance upon anyone. All that does is perpetuate the cycle of karma...the pattern continues. To hate, is to give power to the STS entities who are the object of your hate.

Does this not make any sense at all? It is what Ra has taught us.

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Norral, I have a hypothetical question for you:

Let's pretend you were in 3rd grade, learning your multiplication tables. Your older brother, who just graduated college with honors, offered you some tips on how to ace your math test.

Would you take his advice?

[3DMonkey]

LOL. Norral, you still working the crowd?

I watched two movies over the weekend. Xmen taught me that "it" is found between rage and serenity. Kung Fu Panda taught me to find "inner peace".

I know, no, I believe you have found both.

[Monica]

Xmen taught me that "it" is found between rage and serenity.

Gosh, XMen should know better than Ra!

[3DMonkey]

Xmen taught me that "it" is found between rage and serenity.

Gosh, XMen should know better than Ra!

Yes, because Professor X said it... when he had hair and could walk.

[Monica]

Yes, because Professor X said it... when he had hair and could walk.

Well that settles it then!

[norral]

ah 3d 3d u wouldnt rub my head so now my wife is rubbing it and i'm sitting here - oops this is getting personal, ill send u pictures my man for your viewing pleasure

monica a better hypothetical question to ask me is this - what if someone hurt one of your grandkids norral, what would u do, and the answer is not as obvious as it appears. i would have to seriously think about it , im not sure what i would do , i know what i would be tempted to do. the answer i think is that i would severely injure but not terminate them i think. and feel absolutely justified in doing so with no guilt at all for my actions.
austin, thanks for that post from quo quite informative really loving the shadow side is something that i am just learning to master and it is not easy for me at all. my shadows seem so dark to me.
one other thought that occurs is thinking that in past lives we very likely did some horrible stuff. i have some memories where i believe i used to torture people in the middle ages. not nice right. and yet and still that doesnt for whatever reason make me feel compassion for those who torture in todays world. go figure we as human beings are very complex . we cant be put into boxes with labels on them. that takes all the fun out of the experience.
also ranting about seeing those who are evil suffer is a relief valve for me. its not so much that i want these people to suffer what i really want is for them to go away and leave the rest of us alone. that is what i really want. this whole thing of living in duality is painful. and i am an empath and i tend to pick up the pain of the oppressed. so i walk around constantly feeling the suffering of others. it is not a lot of fun. and i am often stunned that others are just oblivious to the suffering of others it doesnt occur to many people at all that others are suffering and it is impossible for me to forget that others are suffering.

[Unbound]

And you are simply learning your own lessons Norral, one many forget the difficulty of once they pass through it. Blessings, adonai

[Monica]

monica a better hypothetical question to ask me is this - what if someone hurt one of your grandkids norral, what would u do, and the answer is not as obvious as it appears. i would have to seriously think about it , im not sure what i would do , i know what i would be tempted to do. the answer i think is that i would severely injure but not terminate them i think. and feel absolutely justified in doing so with no guilt at all for my actions.

The topic of 'what we would do in such a situation' is exhaustively explored in this thread:

Strictly Law of One > Acceptance and Will

I invite you to check it out. I think there is a lot in that thread that you might find helpful.

The reason for my hypothetical question is this:

If I were a 3rd grader having trouble with math, and an honors college student offered me some tips on how to ace my math test, I would listen. That college student has traversed the path I am on now, and has already learned the lessons I am struggling to learn.

Likewise, Ra are our elders. They have already graduated from 3D and beyond. And they are offering us tips as to how to end the suffering here on this planet. Ra made it very clear: Forgiveness stops the cycle of karma.

And, responding to STS with hatred is giving them power.

I understand that it's natural to respond to atrocities with anger and hatred. My point is that our task is to rise above that. Only then can we hope to do anything about it. Because, continuing to feed that hatred is only going to feed the perpetrators. They eat fear and hatred for breakfast!

(That last statement wasn't a joke. Ra stated that negative entities actually feed on our negative emotions.)

So if we want to end those atrocities, we have to stop feeding the perpetrators.

This is the advice given to us by our elders who have already passed the test. Remember, the inhabitants of this planet have already flunked the test multiple times!

So my question is: Do you think there is value in accepting Ra's advice? Even if we can't quite pull it off yet, to hold it as an ideal to aspire to, can point us in the right direction.

loving the shadow side is something that i am just learning to master and it is not easy for me at all. my shadows seem so dark to me.

That is all the more reason to illuminate them with love and forgiveness.

one other thought that occurs is thinking that in past lives we very likely did some horrible stuff. i have some memories where i believe i used to torture people in the middle ages. not nice right.

Aha! so that's where I remember you from!

and yet and still that doesnt for whatever reason make me feel compassion for those who torture in todays world.

Maybe feeling compassion for those who torture is a bit premature for you. Maybe, since you were the torturer in past lives, it is enough that you have learned to have compassion for those being tortured!

Congratulations! Do you realize how momentous this is? Think about it. You have transformed from a torturer, into a champion for those being tortured! That's huge!

Give yourself some acknowledgement for that. It's quite an accomplishment!

The next step, as I see it, is to forgive yourself for your past actions. At the heart of your hatred of oppressors, is that you haven't forgiven yourself yet when you were like them. Remember, we are all ONE and we all mirror to one another. Thus, if someone is bothering you, it's because something in them is still in you.

So, my suggestion is to focus first on forgiving yourself for your past actions. Working to help victims is a good way to get that energy moving. Then, after you have forgiven yourself, you will be able to see that the current murderers and torturers are just reflections of yourself. They are just in a different phase of their evolution. You will be able to then extend your self-forgiveness to them.

And guess what? When you can do that, you will shorten the time it takes for them to get to the point where you are at now. And thus, you will reduce the suffering. By forgiving first yourself and then them, they will transform into loving, compassionate beings, a lot faster than if you continue to hate them and the part of yourself that was like them.

Forgiving yourself, and thus transforming that aspect of yourself that is like them, will do more good than wishing ill upon them. This we know from Ra, and I think it's good advice.

also ranting about seeing those who are evil suffer is a relief valve for me. its not so much that i want these people to suffer what i really want is for them to go away and leave the rest of us alone.

I understand. I want them to go away too! In fact, I confess I look forward to the time (hopefully soon) when the harvestable STS entities are transferred to their own planet. That will be a great relief!

Ranting and venting is ok, as long as it doesn't just continue to feed itself and fester. It can be therapeutic, if it leads to new understanding. I hope you understand that we have to draw the line at actually cursing others.

that is what i really want. this whole thing of living in duality is painful. and i am an empath and i tend to pick up the pain of the oppressed. so i walk around constantly feeling the suffering of others. it is not a lot of fun. and i am often stunned that others are just oblivious to the suffering of others it doesnt occur to many people at all that others are suffering and it is impossible for me to forget that others are suffering.

Oh wow, do you realize how amazing that is! What a beautiful example of karma in action! If you really were a torturer before, then what a gift your Higher Self has given you! You clearly chose to heal and resolve that part of yourself, and what better way than to have a natural empathy for those who are suffering?

I'd say that is a blessing indeed!

[3DMonkey]

And Ra's advice to the "3rd Grader" isn't much more than "study, kid"

[turtledude23]

Usually I'd read a whole topic before posting but I can't resist:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...b8ba2c497d

The Associated Press released a story on Bilderberg, which means there's a large chance of mainstream media covering it now as it relies on newswires like AP and Reuters for the bulk of their reporting. In other words if a story isn't on a major newswire (AP, Reuters, AFP, CP, etc.) it's unlikely to be covered by large media outlets other than maybe a few local outlets, but if a story is on a newswire it's likely to be covered depending on how important the story is considered by the editorial department.

The AP release was echoed by the Washington Post's website, which is weird because the CEO of the Washington Past Company attended the last 3 meetings. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/euro...story.html

On Thursday I called the newsdesk of a large newspaper and The Canadian Press (our equivalent of AP) to suggest they cover this story, I also emailed someone I know who works for the news department of a major network here to suggest the story. I'll see if my input makes a visible impact, but even if it doesn't at least 3 more people in the media know about the story and might talk to their friends about it around the water cooler and that's good enough for me, change usually happens at the grassroots level. I also told a bunch of my classmates on friday about Bilderberg, none of them heard of it (keep in mind they're journalism students) nor did one of my professors.

[norral]

i respect Ra just like i respect christ or buddha. that doesnt mean that i always follow what they say. as far as graduating most of us have already graduated from 3d and volunteered to come back. that is one reason it can be so very very painful here, we come here with a highly developed sensitivity. i am pretty sure i am a 5d wanderer who returned as are many on this board. thats why we are a bunch of misfits in the eyes of others. i dont get invited to the office christmas party because i have no desire to be a part of the whole gossip back stabbing network that my coworkers are so very interested in. im interested in kids and animals and family and stones so i dont fit and i dont want to fit. i get along but i dont fit and have no desire to fit.
so whenever i am ready to change then the change will come. i like myself the way i am. i like watching the 10pm news and making comments about some of the people on there. my sons are the same way i guess they learned it from me. we watch and we have a very satisfying commentary about the people on their that is definitely not g rated. and we enjoy it immensely. i might never want to change thats fine with me im happy with myself. if christ or buddha or Ra are not happy with me its more their problem than mine. i dont see them as above me but as elder brothers, and elder brothers love their little brothers. besides if u see some of christs exchanges with the scribes and the pharisees he laid it right on the line , he was a warrior and made no bones about it. he called them hypocrites, said that their father was satan, they absolutely hated him. he did not come to cater to them at all.
so whatever hopefully shortly either we or they will be transported somehwere where we dont have to interact. i dont need the evil ones in my life if i never saw them or heard of them again that would be fine with me. they need us much more than we need them because then they get a chance to blow up their egos and look in the mirror and say to themselves how great they are. and that is the way they think they feel they are above others, arrogance is a sure sign of which side of the spiritual highway u walk on.

norral

[3DMonkey]

I like cicadas.

I hate fire ants.

[Monica]

besides if u see some of christs exchanges with the scribes and the pharisees he laid it right on the line , he was a warrior and made no bones about it.

Or so someone says...someone who wrote a book about Jesus decades after his death. And those quotes from that book - about Jesus being a 'warrior' and the old testament genocides - are now being used to justify wars.

I've met mainstream Christian pastors who quoted those scriptures, explaining why they could never vote for Ron Paul because he was against war...and after all, Jesus was a warrior and the Bible is full of wars. So God must like war!

[3DMonkey]

So God must like war!

That is obvious

[Ankh]

So God must like war!

That is obvious

90.18 Questioner: There seems to have been created by this Logos, to me anyway, a large percentage of entities whose distortion was towards warfare. There have been the Maldek and Mars experiences and now Earth. It seems that Venus was the exception to what we could almost call the rule of warfare. Is this correct and was this envisioned and planned into the construction of the archetypical mind, possibly not with respect to warfare as we have experienced it but as to the extreme action of polarization in consciousness?

Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

90.21 Questioner: Then what you are saying is that once the path is recognized, either the positive or the negative polarized entity can find hints along his path as to the efficiency of that path. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. That which you say is correct upon its own merits, but is not a repetition of our statement. Our suggestion was that within the experiential nexus of each entity within its second-density environment and within the roots of mind there were placed biases indicating to the watchful eye the more efficient of the two paths. Let us say, for want of a more precise adjective, that this Logos has a bias towards kindness.

90.23 Questioner: Could this be the reason for the greater positive harvest? I suspect that it isn’t, but would there be Logoi that have greater negative percentage harvests because of this type of biasing?

Ra: I am Ra. No. There have been Logoi with greater percentages of negative harvests. However, the biasing mechanisms cannot change the requirements for achieving harvestability either in the positive or in the negative sense. There are Logoi which have offered a neutral background against which to polarize. This Logos chose not to do so but instead to allow more of the love and light of the Infinite Creator to be both inwardly and outwardly visible and available to the sensations and conceptualizations of mind/body/spirit complexes undergoing Its care in experimenting.

[norral]

i dont get that from christs exchanges with the scribes and pharisees.
he was a man standing up and speaking his truth to power , unafraid to say what was on his mind. it would be the equivalent of a congressman today saying to a banker your a crook and a liar. when have we heard that happen ? i am not responsible for what a christian pastor says or doesnt say that is their problem not mine. i am anti war and im anti the people who start wars. ive been pretty clear how i feel about them not going there again. i think we need more like christ to stand up and speak truth to power. it would be a better world. but we dont do it because we are afraid of the consequences unfortunately especially in the corporate world which is a den of incestuous crap imo . its not about what u know it is all about who u know. but that is the way of this world
i sense that those parts of the bible are pretty honest interpretations of what christ said. unfortunately as in many religions the message of the founder has been coopted for the purposes of those who preach
but there are many good pastors also who are true shepherds to their flocks. i was raised in the episcopalian church and i never heard any fundamentalist crap or hatred or any of that crap. it was and continues to this day to be a very liberal church and i personally like it. so people can take anything and interpret it their way for their own purposes.
i choose to make my own interpretations about what christ said , buddha said and what Ra said. and we should keep in mind that we all need to be patient with one another. we have a lot more in common with one another than not. i'm not here to change anyones belief system no matter what it is their business what they believe. but i will not again be so verbal about my feelings about the powers that be out of respect for the forum.
in the end each one of us is responsible primarily for ourselves. i believe enough in the people on this board to trust that they are on the right path for them and that they are heading in the right direction . and that they have the wisdom and the goodness and the self honesty to come to the conclusions that are right for them. so all of us will get there in our own time and in our own way and i support all on this board, and i mean all, not some, whether we agree or not.

norral

[Unbound]

I agree with you, and my only assertion is that being "anti"-anything is what starts wars.

[unity100]

i dont get that from christs exchanges with the scribes and pharisees.
he was a man standing up and speaking his truth to power , unafraid to say what was on his mind. it would be the equivalent of a congressman today saying to a banker your a crook and a liar. when have we heard that happen ? i am not responsible for what a christian pastor says or doesnt say that is their problem not mine. i am anti war and im anti the people who start wars. ive been pretty clear how i feel about them not going there again. i think we need more like christ to stand up and speak truth to power. it would be a better world. but we dont do it because we are afraid of the consequences unfortunately especially in the corporate world which is a den of incestuous crap imo . its not about what u know it is all about who u know. but that is the way of this world
i sense that those parts of the bible are pretty honest interpretations of what christ said. unfortunately as in many religions the message of the founder has been coopted for the purposes of those who preach
but there are many good pastors also who are true shepherds to their flocks. i was raised in the episcopalian church and i never heard any fundamentalist crap or hatred or any of that crap. it was and continues to this day to be a very liberal church and i personally like it. so people can take anything and interpret it their way for their own purposes.
i choose to make my own interpretations about what christ said , buddha said and what Ra said. and we should keep in mind that we all need to be patient with one another. we have a lot more in common with one another than not. i'm not here to change anyones belief system no matter what it is their business what they believe. but i will not again be so verbal about my feelings about the powers that be out of respect for the forum.
in the end each one of us is responsible primarily for ourselves. i believe enough in the people on this board to trust that they are on the right path for them and that they are heading in the right direction . and that they have the wisdom and the goodness and the self honesty to come to the conclusions that are right for them. so all of us will get there in our own time and in our own way and i support all on this board, and i mean all, not some, whether we agree or not.

norral

what you portray of jeshosuah and what he did with surrendering to romans and turning the other cheek, contradict.

'he was a warrior' is a statement that cannot hold with how he chose to end his incarnation.

[Unbound]

"Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding."
Mohandas Gandhi

[3DMonkey]

I agree with you, and my only assertion is that being "anti"-anything is what starts wars.

You sound anti-"anti"

[Unbound]

I am simply pro-acceptance. You do not open up by perceiving barriers.

[Ankh]

Ah Mahatma! Love that man! "Be the change you want to see in the world".

THIS IS THE POWER OF ONE

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i dont get that from christs exchanges with the scribes and pharisees.
he was a man standing up and speaking his truth to power , unafraid to say what was on his mind. it would be the equivalent of a congressman today saying to a banker your a crook and a liar. when have we heard that happen ? i am not responsible for what a christian pastor says or doesnt say that is their problem not mine. i am anti war and im anti the people who start wars. ive been pretty clear how i feel about them not going there again. i think we need more like christ to stand up and speak truth to power. it would be a better world. but we dont do it because we are afraid of the consequences unfortunately especially in the corporate world which is a den of incestuous crap imo . its not about what u know it is all about who u know. but that is the way of this world
i sense that those parts of the bible are pretty honest interpretations of what christ said. unfortunately as in many religions the message of the founder has been coopted for the purposes of those who preach
but there are many good pastors also who are true shepherds to their flocks. i was raised in the episcopalian church and i never heard any fundamentalist crap or hatred or any of that crap. it was and continues to this day to be a very liberal church and i personally like it. so people can take anything and interpret it their way for their own purposes.
i choose to make my own interpretations about what christ said , buddha said and what Ra said. and we should keep in mind that we all need to be patient with one another. we have a lot more in common with one another than not. i'm not here to change anyones belief system no matter what it is their business what they believe. but i will not again be so verbal about my feelings about the powers that be out of respect for the forum.
in the end each one of us is responsible primarily for ourselves. i believe enough in the people on this board to trust that they are on the right path for them and that they are heading in the right direction . and that they have the wisdom and the goodness and the self honesty to come to the conclusions that are right for them. so all of us will get there in our own time and in our own way and i support all on this board, and i mean all, not some, whether we agree or not.

norral

I love you too, norral.

One beautiful day we are going to wake up and realize - gosh, we never left each other's vibrations; all was an illusion right from the start. But until that day comes I guess that we have some homework to do, and hey, even Heaven had some wars, right?

[kycahi]

Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

Our path, then is clear! We substitute the practice of circumcision with mandatory thumbectomies.

Ahem. Well, I like the next part, where Ra said our Logos has the bias toward kindness.

[Monica]

Ankh, I was referring to the Christians who told me, "God must like war." I wasn't saying that *I* thought 'God' likes war!

I strongly disagree with using the Bible (or Koran or any religious book) to justify violence or vengeance.

I also disagree that Jesus was a warrior. The reason is that I trust what Ra said about Jesus more than what the Bible authors said about Jesus.

Sorry I didn't make that clear!

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'he was a warrior' is a statement that cannot hold with how he chose to end his incarnation.

Agreed.

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and hey, even Heaven had some wars, right?

Heaven? What is Heaven? Oh, you mean that mythical place in those stories?

[Ankh]

Ankh, I was referring to the Christians who told me, "God must like war." I wasn't saying that *I* thought 'God' likes war!

Of course I didn't believe you said it! *shocking eyes* If that day comes I'll have to call someone up and kidnap you from wherever you are to abridge your free will by some exorcism!

Heaven? What is Heaven? Oh, you mean that mythical place in those stories?

More refering to that thought war between 4D+ and 4D- that Q'uo was talking about.

[lightning]

The people of earth are awakening faster and faster thanks to the 4th density vibrations and the Bilderberg are finally being exposed for who they are. For the first time ever mainstream media has began reporting of them after it has become impossible to say they dont exist, protests have began at this years Bilderberg meeting which is happening in Switzerland right now, they have had to put up a wall/viel to hide those entering the bilderberg group. Many many reporters are over there reporting about it and many are admiting that they could not have our best interntions at hand.

But probably the most exciting and amazing thing that could expose them once and for all is that the Swiss MP Dominique Baettig and members of Swiss National Council are calling for the arrest and going to storm the Bilderberg later today and demand the arrest of Henry Kissinger, whobis responsible for international war crimes. Whats more is the president of of swizerland has said that he doesnt want such a group meeting in his country and even called for them to leave, but of course they didnt listen. Even more exciting the head of the Swiss police who is running the police who are guarding the Bilderberg group has told them not to resist the protesters and the media because they are protecting a bunch of criminals!! This is utterly amazing and I really hope they can stop this group.. The light is coming back to this world the people of earth are awakening and the Bilderberg are running scared, I really do believe this could be the turning point and beginning of the end for the highly negative STS elite of the world. If you dont know who the Bilderberg group are they are a group of about 120 of the worlds top elite who meet annualy behind closed doors in total secret from the outside world and dsicuss ways to run the world, they are the ones who control the scenes from behind. They were responsible for the EU, the financial colapse, they are the real ones who send countries to war for profit. The main attendee and founder is Henry Kissinger who is responsible for many war crimes and believes commeners are useless eaters and should be killed off. If you want further infomation on them I made a video of them:

The video I made has had over 2000 views in just 24 hours just shows how many people are waking up and becoming interested in the Bilderberg group
The Bilderberg group Explained (For Sheeple)

And here is a video explaining what is happening to the bilderberg group enjoy:

AFP Editor Mark Anderson: Dominique Baettig Marches on Bilderberg Meeting

Love and Light
The postive entities of this world are begining to take back control

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I don't see any of this as relevant.

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I don't see any of this as relevant.