Bilderberg group failing/ 4th D positve take over

[Monica]

Ra doesn't tell us to do stuff.

OK, I will rephrase: It is what Ra suggested that we do, if we want to pursue the STO path.

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the basic disagreement i have with many on this board is this. i dont feel its a bad thing to despise those who are evil. i dont want to love them they are bullies.

Norral, you are entitled to your opinion. However please remember that this is a forum dedicated to the study and application of the Law of One, and loving and forgiving perceived 'enemies' is a key tenet of the STO path.

If you disagree with Ra's key tenets of the Law of One, that is your choice. But it is the foundation of why this forum exists.

If you are open to considering Ra's tenets, but are having trouble understanding how love and forgiveness neutralize karma, I'm sure there are many here who would be happy to explore that with you.

[3DMonkey]

Norral is just talking. I've no doubt in the man.

[Monica]

Norral is just talking.

I'm not sure what you mean by "just talking."

[Etude in B Minor]

Don't hate them, but don't accept what they are offering, that's what Ra said if I am not mistaken.

[Unbound]

Disturbing, looking at a list of Bilderberg participants here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bil...rticipants

If this conspiracy theory is true then it is absolutely no surprise that Canada's prime ministers have been active there. There has been fishy things going on here in Canada, we're a rosebush hiding poison thorns I feel.

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@Norral: I'll just leave you with this quote - "But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." - Yoda

To despise something is to engage in all these things. To despise evil is to become part of that evil, for hatred of others is its tenet.

[Oceania]

it's sometimes hard to curb that anger at evil. it's a paradox.

[Unbound]

Ah, but when anger becomes positive it enters the realm of passion. Who are any of you, or even I, to judge whether or not anybody else is "evil"? We see actions that contradict actions we may take, but the assertion that anyone else is "evil" is only a comparison to one's own idea of themselves being "good". Do you know the pain or torture the said person may have gone through? Perhaps the difficulties or brainwashing they may have experienced? I find fingers are pointed too quickly when people feel pain, not realizing that the pain is something that is part of the experience and not the catalyst.

[Monica]

it's sometimes hard to curb that anger at evil. it's a paradox.

Anger is understandable. But anger can be channeled and transmuted into love and forgiveness. That's what choice is all about.

Responding with hatred and vengeance is like fighting fire with fire.

[Oceania]

i just meant evil as in how we see it. also i'm not justifying anger, just noted a paradox there.

[norral]

i doubt if i will ever forgive the likes of george bush senior and junior, dick cheney , rumsfeld, wolfowitz, hitler, pol pot, lloyd blakendfeld ceo of golman sachs, allan greenspan or any of the myriad others who work for the dark forces on this planet. i could say i dont despise them but i do and i wont lie about it. however if it is offensive to others then i wont verbalize it any more in the forums.
it still leaves a question though. does evil exist or not. i say it most definitely does and to think that it doesnt is naive. example . i saw a film of marcos, dictator of the phillipines and some of his cohorts and cronies, who stole billions from the filipino people, laughing and joking about the poverty of the people in the phillipines , ridiculing those who they had impoverished. that to me is evil plain and simple . another example robert chambers the preppy killer making a video making fun of his strangling jennifer levin, evil plain and simple. i am not one with that , dont want to be one with that and i am totally repulsed by stuff like that. i get the impression many here think evil does not exist and with that i disagree
and 3d u are right my bark is a lot worse than my bite very perceptive i doubt if i could actually do any serious physical harm to others but the thought of it intrigues me.

[Bring4th_Austin]

i doubt if i will ever forgive the likes of george bush senior and junior, dick cheney , rumsfeld, wolfowitz, hitler, pol pot, lloyd blakendfeld ceo of golman sachs, allan greenspan or any of the myriad others who work for the dark forces on this planet. i could say i dont despise them but i do and i wont lie about it. however if it is offensive to others then i wont verbalize it any more in the forums.

I personally would ask you not to shield the forum from your true thoughts and feelings (although it could possibly be contradictory to the forum guidelines...I noticed Monica edited your post and I'm sorry I didn't get the chance to see your original post).

Despite the perceived negative nature of your expression, it offers us a chance to see love where it is not obvious. There is love in these words, feelings, and emotions, even if you or anyone else can't see it.

[Oceania]

but to house all that anger inside you is only destructive toward yourself, not them. to send them love is what they can't stand. so if you wanna feak them out learn to forgive them.

[Monica]

i get the impression many here think evil does not exist and with that i disagree

Ra acknowledged evil. It's called the STS path, in Law of One terminology.

The difference is that Ra explained the purpose of STS, and the appropriate response to it.

[Oceania]

and saying that i'm trying to realize how i could apply that to my own life, as i have an anger problem.

[Monica]

but to house all that anger inside you is only destructive toward yourself, not them. to send them love is what they can't stand. so if you wanna feak them out learn to forgive them.

Exactly! Hating them is feeding them. Wishing them harm is giving them power.

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I personally would ask you not to shield the forum from your true thoughts and feelings (although it could possibly be contradictory to the forum guidelines...I noticed Monica edited your post and I'm sorry I didn't get the chance to see your original post).

I didn't edit norral's feelings or opinions. What got removed, was removed for a specific reason.

[norral]

well oceania welcome to the club. at least there are now officialy two of us and i would suspect many more with that problem

[Oceania]

i dunno, i always feel alone in these forums, everyone seems so white hat. i have a dark side. i know everyone has problems but it seems most here are innocent and good.

[norral]

we all have a dark side. accepting and integrating it into our lives is a big part of the trip we are taking on this planet. learning to forgive myself for the parts of me i dont like is , quite honestly, a lifetimes work

and imo it begs an even larger question. is God evil. why do i ask this . if u believe in a god then u would have to believe that god has permitted this opposition of forces to exist, knowing the suffering and the pain that would come of it. couldnt an infinite god have come up with a less painful way for souls to develop than what has been created here on earth. and if god chose not to do this then perhaps he enjoys seeing the suffering of those he has created. now thats a really dark thought but a thought i would venture to say most of us have at least contemplated at some point in our existence.

[Unbound]

LOL! Aha Sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but understand that we are here attempting to put in to practice that which we have learned. I highly doubt if any person on this forum is innocent or absolutely good. I've been through my share of hatred, self-destruction and anger, and in fact it's a pretty new thing for me to be so positive. Don't feel alone, we are only offering our experiences as an aid for you in your own struggles because some of us DO know what it is like to be alone, angry, scared and frustrated with life, it can more than certainly lead to hatred and this is a sure way to destroy your own spirit.

[Oceania]

same here.

[Monica]

i dunno, i always feel alone in these forums, everyone seems so white hat. i have a dark side. i know everyone has problems but it seems most here are innocent and good.

Oh gosh, everyone here has their issues that they're working on. I see a distinction, though, between having issues such as anger, and conscious choice. We can feel angry, or even hateful. We all do at times. But the question is: What is our choice in that moment? If we choose to transmute the anger/hatred into love/forgiveness, then that's what's important. We might not totally succeed, but each time we make that choice, it is empowered. That's a basic tenet of the Law of One.

[Oceania]

transmuting it makes me feel powerless and victimized. like i'm supposed to feel happy i've been hurt. or just do nothing and let the hurting continue. anger in itself makes me feel in control. like, it heals somehow. lets out the bad energy and roars at the injustice. it scares it away, lets everyone know not to do that again cuz they don't listen if you just talk. and it makes me feel alive. that's where it turns into passion. anger can also be crippling and numbing if there's too much of anger/hurt. also, anger/hurt is synonymous to me. same difference. i know Ra says we're supposed to let go of fear and be vulnerable, but a big part of me thinks that's a bunch of bull and it's never gonna be worth it to be vulnerable. that you just get trampled and fubared.

[Lorna]

i wonder how much the emotions of anger and stress comes from feeling powerless? norral, you have a great heart, you have a drive to protect people so seeing these injustices and feeling unable to defend those who are being abused and hurt - no wonder you feel as you do.

however, each of us has our own dance and our own power, and harnessing emotions to effect change can result in incredibly powerful, transformative action. taking action reduces the blockages that anger causes, allows energy to flow freely again, transmutes the intensity of anger into passionate, positive action.

i think in common with many people on this forum i used to read about these forces at work in the world. not any more. exposing myself to that material was not useful, did not have a positive impact and drained my energy. i now choose to focus my energy instead on things that are local, opportunities for positive engagement with the world around me at a micro level rather than throwing my energy away by reacting against things distant to me. i wouldn't say i was innocent or naiive in my perspective, simply that i'm selective in the choices i make

but every person has their own dance, their own choices, their own focus - i'm just thinking out loud. this thread has occupied my thoughts this evening because although i do not share his views, i can completely understand norral's perspective

[Raman]

Well yeah, now at this stage of the game is the approach that matters...

The approach taken in Spain with the 15 of May "revolution" is very appropriate. It is not only continuing but growing and growing...

[Unbound]

You cannot trample water, as it is for one who's emotions are fluid and unstuck. Pain is tension, which is resistence. It has nothing to do with giving in to anyone else, but with not giving in to your own fear. Anger is the result of fear, because anger comes from confusion. "Why did this happen to me? Why did I have to feel this pain? Do I deserve this?" And so you attempt to put a face to your anger, you give it a personality and an external identity so you feel justified in holding on to your pain. To accept what happens to you is true strength because then no longer is pain an option, no longer is there need for fear or anger. By leaving you vulnerable to yourself you give yourself the confidence to manage any situation cooly, calmly and effectively. There is more to change than violent reactions, some things must be nurtured gently and delicately, else it will crumble.

[Raman]

What happened to kia anyway..i wish she could inform us....she was so uplifted and happy when she visited Sol...

[Oceania]

what if one doesn't want to be water or fluid? what if one has a fundamental perspective that doesn't allow fluidity like that? i happen to think somethings shouldn't be diluted with the mighty ocean of God speech. things need some structure to have purpose!

[Unbound]

Aha I describe only the emotions as being like water, indeed the element of water symbolizes this if you examine the traditions. I'm sure you will then get what I mean by "hardness" of frozen emotions, that is, emotions you will not allow to dissolve and move onwards.

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Indeed, I believe we all possess all the elements, and our goal is to balance our own particular collection of them. Certainly, if you feel you desire to embody such an emotion such as anger it is in your right to do so, I am only attempting to inform you that it becomes very painful.

[norral]

i like what oceania said. transmuting anger is like oh im supposed to feel good that u fill in the blank (abused,cheated,lied etc etc) to me im so holy im above anger. baloney anger is an honest emotion. anger changes thing
the boston tea party happened because of anger, the berlin wall fell because of anger, mubarak was overthrown because of anger. anger is when u get to the point of being willing to risk it all and u say i have had enuf and it is going to change because i am not taking it anymore. its perfectly fine to have anger and anger enlivens things . i am talking about righteous anger where there is a real reason to be angry. everyone living on this planet right now has a right to be angry at the lies and b.s. we have been fed for so long and has the absolute right to stand up and say i am not taking the status quo any longer

anybody out there angry about the gulf oil spill
about the lies coming out of japan
about the financial crisis of 2008.
about the fraud of 911
about the war in iraq
about the war in afghanistan
about the war in pakistan
about the war in libya
about the war in yemen
about chemothreapy that doesnt work
about suppressed cancer treatments
because they dont generate money like chemo does

take your pick brothers and sisters there is plenty to be angry about
i wont pretend that i am happy with that crap.

[Unbound]

I don't believe I am arguing that anger is foreign or unacceptable, I am simply saying that if you get caught up in your anger instead of the process of DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you will only fester. And anger need not express itself as violence.