Elder Race

[3DMonkey]

vbaba, I was just about to mention that your posts read like some channeled material, not unlike Q'uo. ... zenmaster beat me to it.

I'll ask anyway. Are you channeling your information?

[unity100]

Well Q'uo has confirmed they are from the Elder Race. Not sure if that means anything to you.

elder race as in 150 entities harvested at the end of second cycle ?

[zenmaster]

Well Q'uo has confirmed they are from the Elder Race. Not sure if that means anything to you.

elder race as in 150 entities harvested at the end of second cycle ?

Yes.

[Ankh]

Thank you Ankh for a warm welcome. It is comforting you understand that we will walk together and form a Social Memory Complex after the Harvest. We will be born with a memory in Fourth Density so there will be all the time in the world to review and share our past lives. It is an eventuality that memories will fade - but nothing is lost forever.

There has been experiences where past-selves have communicated with this present self, showing us personalities we have been in the past - helping to guide this path while this self helps that self, teaching us of the eternal now and the unity of the Multidimensional Self. The realizations have brought profound appreciation for the One Infinite Creator, much joy in feeling and an increase in Awareness.

Thank you for your answer. I enjoyed reading it as I enjoy reading all of your answers. What I meant with my previous post and question though, is how do you know for sure that you are one of those 150 entities that was harvested after the second cycle, that is called the Elder Race?

[vbaba]

vb has resigned

[vbaba]

vb has resigned

[Bring4th_Austin]

We are not familiar with Q'uo.

Q'uo is a principle channeled primarily by Carla, the channeler of the Ra material. The principle includes Ra, as well as two other social memory complexes from the confederation.

We understand the source of Q'uo is channeled material.

So is the Ra material, despite the method and delivery. Q'uo is not channeled through trance, so the specificity of the information as well as the accuracy might fall behind Ra, but the clarity of Carla as a channel and the consistency of the information within the vast Q'uo databases rivals any other channeled material I've found.

The few quotes of Q'uo we've read regarding the Harvest, we do not subscribe to that distortion of promoting a Harvest without inconvenience

Ra stated at the time of the Ra contact that inconveniences had already begun, so harvest without inconvenience would be impossible already:

14.27 Questioner: I assume that as the cycle ends and inconveniences occur, there will be some entities who start seeking or be catalyzed into seeking because of the trauma and will then hear your words telepathically or in written form such as this book. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct except in understanding that the inconveniences have begun.

Obviously, inconveniences continue and will continue until 3D is purged from the Earth, but the inconveniences are a reflection/expression of the purging rather than the source of the purging.

Also, information stated at the time of the Ra material regarding the future, whether in relation to harvest or otherwise, was probabilities. The probabilities have changed.

or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

What do you mean by this? Do you propose that karma automatically means something bad happens in repercussion to something bad done? Could you clarify how your view karma fits in with Ra's definitions:

17.20 Ra:...In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?
Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

we prefer to trust a direct connection with our best friend, our Higher Self. Establishing a working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance in 4D.

I'm not so sure that the higher self would prophesize anything. The purpose of the higher self is to "protect when possible and guide when asked." (Ra, 70.11) No doubt that trusting your higher self and establishing a working rapport is important in any spiritual work, but information regarding cataclysmic events, in my eyes, neither protects nor guides.

[sequoyah]

The "Golden Ones" from Jupiter manifested the original Adamic Race humanoids, which began 75,000 years ago. Neptune improved the stock and seeded the "Blue Bodies" around 70,000 years ago. The Lemurians or the Mu Root Race was seeded by the Leganians of the Tiamot System 64,000 years ago as was the original Red Race approximately 59,000 years ago during the beginnings of the Atlantean Root Race. Those of Sirius installed the Black Race in Africa during that period. The Pleiades seeded the short and sturdy Yellow Race 36,000 years ago. They also seeded this current Aryan Root Race with the arrogant and ambitious Caucasians 11,600 years ago after Atlantis was inundated, then improved the stock with the Scandinavian approximately 6000 years ago. The Maldekians and those of Masar/Mars were brought to earth's etheric plane after they destroyed their home planets.

Perhaps it is not so bad to be a native earthling - to love our planet and Her history so much that we had no desire to take part in destroying the surface of our planet like those from other planets did, along with bringing their destructive technologies and self righteous attitudes with them to this innocent planet. That, to me, says something positive for the earthling!

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Thanks for posting this, please share with us anything else which you have to say.

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Questions I have; is there a sort of competition involved in who influences the formation of the new social memory complex here?

For instance would a wandering group complex here such as Quetzal wish to have the earth social memory complex join their vibration?

What "sound vibratory complex" do you assign our sub-logos?

Cheers & Adonai

[zenmaster]

Well then you should be in contact with the folks at Antiquatis.org. They claim to be Elder Race as well.

Glad we satisfied curiosity and explored that website with obvious misinformation. The Human Cycle is 75,000 years and there has only been this one on this planet.

not sure where tha website suggests otherwise.

The Maldekians and those of Mars arrived here after they blew up their planet near the beginning of this 75,000 year cycle - not 500 million years ago.

Incorrect. The Maldekians arrived millions of years before Martians.

The Maldekians incorporated into the Shumarian and the beginnings of the Jewish Race was formed. They are still with us.

I don't think so.. Once harvested to 3D, they probably went to another planet where 3D was just beginning. This is suggested by the Ra Material. A few are still with us in 2D form. Not sure where you are gettng your info.

this is just one paragraph of misinformation. Need we continue?

I respectfully would say that it is you who are misinformed, at least partialy. The higher self does not impart transitory knowledge, it may guide throug intuitive resonance, but that is unavoidably subject to ego bias.
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[unity100]

Well Q'uo has confirmed they are from the Elder Race. Not sure if that means anything to you.

elder race as in 150 entities harvested at the end of second cycle ?

Yes.

wasnt quo a 'collective' that formed from Ra, latwii and hatonn ?

inconvenience or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

wow. arian root race.

'root'

[3DMonkey]

inconvenience or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

wow. arian root race.

'root'

That one through me for a loop too. I searched to see if it was used before, to see where it was going. I'm still not sure how to process it. But here is another reference:

Aryan Root Race

[Raman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race

It seems to me that Chief Little Summer (vbaba's mentor) had great influence from theosophy. I do not know much about it. Am I correct on this, vbaba?

[Unbound]

The Root Races actually stem from Gnosticism. The Aryan Root Race is the 5th, that of the principle of Samael. I have a chart around here somewhere with the other Root races... the next is supposed to be the Khoradi, those with blue skin.

Theosophy is heavily laced with Gnostic principles I've found. The whole idea of the 7 Rays comes from this.

[3DMonkey]

Too many big words- theosophy, gnosticism.

5th Root Race?? Is there a benefit to me researching this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race

(beeeeeeep)

[Unbound]

Considering the previous Root Race was the Atlanteans, and those before them the Lemurians I think you'll see the parallels...

[Raman]

Parallels are to be expected. Information similar to the Egyptians were available to the south americans (Mayans most probably). Theosophy probably derives those teachings (even though after so many years and filtrations) from Egyptians, Hindi, Vedic, etc...Well, if Lemurians and Atlanteans survivors landed in different places some traditions and information most probably were kept developed and passed down generations although lost much accuracy.

That Theosophy has parallels with what vbaba is presenting is not surprising at all and it does not mean necessarily that Chief Little Summer based any of his message on theosophy per se...just for 75000 years, we have had sources. Indeed it adds credibility to the Ra material and to the Mayan calendar.

[unity100]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race

It seems to me that Chief Little Summer (vbaba's mentor) had great influence from theosophy. I do not know much about it. Am I correct on this, vbaba?

a lot of stuff there contradict with what we know from Ra material.

talks about an 'atlantean' root race popping up circa 4,5 million years ago. 4,5 million years ago even maldek wasnt destroyed.

there's more nonsense :

The downfall of Atlantis started when some of the Toltecs began to practice black magic about 850,000 BC

there are not only toltecs in 850,000 bc, but they practice black magic and cause downfall of atlantis civilization. (or its start).

maldek wasnt destroyed at this point, so even maldekians were not incarnating to higher ape bodies on this planet to balance their karma. so, there was no 3d vibrations as such on the planet, leave aside civilizations.

then it proceeds to link 'aryan' race with atlanteans and such. basically stringing a lot of elitist concepts into the same chain.

[Ankh]

a lot of stuff there contradict with what we know from Ra material.

talks about an 'atlantean' root race popping up circa 4,5 million years ago. 4,5 million years ago even maldek wasnt destroyed.

there's more nonsense :

The downfall of Atlantis started when some of the Toltecs began to practice black magic about 850,000 BC

there are not only toltecs in 850,000 bc, but they practice black magic and cause downfall of atlantis civilization. (or its start).

maldek wasnt destroyed at this point, so even maldekians were not incarnating to higher ape bodies on this planet to balance their karma. so, there was no 3d vibrations as such on the planet, leave aside civilizations.

then it proceeds to link 'aryan' race with atlanteans and such. basically stringing a lot of elitist concepts into the same chain.

The 3D "light", or vibrations, or consciousness might have started only 75 000 years ago on this planet, however the biological /physical beginning/development to the species homo sapiens sapiens started way earlier than that. The archeological findings related to human evolution are approximately 6-7 millions years old, where the line of archaic homo sapiens starts 500 000 years ago; and something interesting did happen about 4.4 - 4.9 millions years ago.

Just few links here, but you can google this information, there is loads of it on the internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hum...on_fossils

http://www.archaeology.org/0711/etc/lucy.html

http://archaeologyinfo.com/human-evolution-timeline/

[unity100]

a lot of stuff there contradict with what we know from Ra material.

talks about an 'atlantean' root race popping up circa 4,5 million years ago. 4,5 million years ago even maldek wasnt destroyed.

there's more nonsense :

The downfall of Atlantis started when some of the Toltecs began to practice black magic about 850,000 BC

there are not only toltecs in 850,000 bc, but they practice black magic and cause downfall of atlantis civilization. (or its start).

maldek wasnt destroyed at this point, so even maldekians were not incarnating to higher ape bodies on this planet to balance their karma. so, there was no 3d vibrations as such on the planet, leave aside civilizations.

then it proceeds to link 'aryan' race with atlanteans and such. basically stringing a lot of elitist concepts into the same chain.

The 3D "light", or vibrations, or consciousness might have started only 75 000 years ago on this planet, however the biological /physical beginning/development to the species homo sapiens sapiens started way earlier than that. The archeological findings related to human evolution are approximately 6-7 millions years old, where the line of archaic homo sapiens starts 500 000 years ago; and something interesting did happen about 4.4 - 4.9 millions years ago.

Just few links here, but you can google this information, there is loads of it on the internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hum...on_fossils

http://www.archaeology.org/0711/etc/lucy.html

http://archaeologyinfo.com/human-evolution-timeline/

these are 2d bodies of higher apes, and these have no relevance to any 'race'.

leave that aside, the natural evolution of these bodies were disrupted by transfers from mars. the 'root race' nonsense doesnt even take that into account.

[Ankh]

these are 2d bodies of higher apes, and these have no relevance to any 'race'.

leave that aside, the natural evolution of these bodies were disrupted by transfers from mars. the 'root race' nonsense doesnt even take that into account.

Is not our current body a 2D body as well?

What I meant is that probably the evolution of these different kind of "races" which can mean different kind of 2D bodies/physical vehicles was being prepared by natural (or unnatural=what's that?) means long before the 3D consciousness started to incarnate in them.

[Raman]

I would like vbaba to answer our questions just to be fair to him/her...

[vbaba]

vb has resigned

[zenmaster]

What do YOU think 18.20 indicates?

Dunno.

[unity100]

these are 2d bodies of higher apes, and these have no relevance to any 'race'.

leave that aside, the natural evolution of these bodies were disrupted by transfers from mars. the 'root race' nonsense doesnt even take that into account.

Is not our current body a 2D body as well?

What I meant is that probably the evolution of these different kind of "races" which can mean different kind of 2D bodies/physical vehicles was being prepared by natural (or unnatural=what's that?) means long before the 3D consciousness started to incarnate in them.

it isnt,according to Ra. this is a 3d body. if you are dual activated, its a 3-4d body.

[zenmaster]

Is not our current body a 2D body as well?

What I meant is that probably the evolution of these different kind of "races" which can mean different kind of 2D bodies/physical vehicles was being prepared by natural (or unnatural=what's that?) means long before the 3D consciousness started to incarnate in them.

The mind/spirit complex is what creates a 3D or 3D-4D combo body from the 2D body. That is, once the mind/spirit complex of self-awareness (3D) or mind/spirit complex of understanding (4D) enters it.

[vbaba]

We are not familiar with Q'uo.

Q'uo is a principle channeled primarily by Carla, the channeler of the Ra material. The principle includes Ra, as well as two other social memory complexes from the confederation.

We understand the source of Q'uo is channeled material.

So is the Ra material, despite the method and delivery. Q'uo is not channeled through trance, so the specificity of the information as well as the accuracy might fall behind Ra, but the clarity of Carla as a channel and the consistency of the information within the vast Q'uo databases rivals any other channeled material I've found.

The few quotes of Q'uo we've read regarding the Harvest, we do not subscribe to that distortion of promoting a Harvest without inconvenience

Ra stated at the time of the Ra contact that inconveniences had already begun, so harvest without inconvenience would be impossible already:

14.27 Questioner: I assume that as the cycle ends and inconveniences occur, there will be some entities who start seeking or be catalyzed into seeking because of the trauma and will then hear your words telepathically or in written form such as this book. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct except in understanding that the inconveniences have begun.

Obviously, inconveniences continue and will continue until 3D is purged from the Earth, but the inconveniences are a reflection/expression of the purging rather than the source of the purging.

Also, information stated at the time of the Ra material regarding the future, whether in relation to harvest or otherwise, was probabilities. The probabilities have changed.

or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

What do you mean by this? Do you propose that karma automatically means something bad happens in repercussion to something bad done? Could you clarify how your view karma fits in with Ra's definitions:

17.20 Ra:...In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?
Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

we prefer to trust a direct connection with our best friend, our Higher Self. Establishing a working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance in 4D.

I'm not so sure that the higher self would prophesize anything. The purpose of the higher self is to "protect when possible and guide when asked." (Ra, 70.11) No doubt that trusting your higher self and establishing a working rapport is important in any spiritual work, but information regarding cataclysmic events, in my eyes, neither protects nor guides.

Thank you for your explanation of Q'uo. Is this then likened to the relationship Jane Roberts had with Seth? Is this entity Q'uo a portion, a Ego/Personality of the Soul/Spirit Complex of the channeler? Why did Ra leave? Where did Ra go?

Being a visionary however, can manifest in entities not using a method of channeling. This is not professing we are of that nature, but there is a "technique" - a specific method Kundalini meditation which may then be used to connect to the Akashic Records, where past, present and future can be seen. Briefly:

The Kundalini leaves the base of the spine, spirals around the body, each cycle connects to each Chakra which causes illumination, causing it to spin - That respective Ray ascends to the crown of the head where it exits then surrounds the body. As the Kundalini spirals around the body, each Chakra is activated and its Ray ascends up and out through the Crown then surrounds the body. A "Dome of Protection" forms, approximately 25 feet in diameter. The Kundalini then flows out from the crown, like a fountain, surrounding the inner portion of this Dome - is then protected from unenlightened spirits. The Kundalini, through the Silver Cord, makes its direct connection to the lower hemisphere of the Golden Sphere of the Higher Self. The upper Sphere is the Monad, the Multidimensional Self which we were taught is not advisable to contact prematurely! When the Kundalini passes through the brain, the 80% Tensor Part is activated. During the connection in lower hemisphere of the Golden Sphere, one may "go out" to a specific Ray to discover that which we seek to know. The Kundalini then descends in the opposite way it was raised. We were informed that this is the method used by the Masters, to which we are not! - but strive towards.

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The Root Races actually stem from Gnosticism. The Aryan Root Race is the 5th, that of the principle of Samael. I have a chart around here somewhere with the other Root races... the next is supposed to be the Khoradi, those with blue skin.

Theosophy is heavily laced with Gnostic principles I've found. The whole idea of the 7 Rays comes from this.

Sounds like that is a most interesting chart! Yes this Aryan Root Race is number 5. Have not heard of "Khoradi". We were instructed that the 6th Root Race name if the Aquarian Root Race, but perhaps the "Khoradi" could be an ancient language which means the same as "Aquarian"? There were rugged "Blue Bodies" manufacturer by those of Jupiter for the 2nd Root Race near the location of Great Britain, but 63,000 years ago a comet struck near the Hudson Bay and that was the end of those Blue Bodies!

It is fascinating to study the variety of bodies that were manufactured for us to experience in the physical. The Lemurians were particularly interesting in that half of them had the plastic-like bodies and were some 60' tall while the other half were miniature. It was a world of contrasts! We understand the new 4D bodies will be similar to the Polynesian type bodies, although denser - approximately 150 pounds with black hair, brown skinned and brown eyes. The bodies will be compatible for the eternal Springtime the earth is soon to become. We understand that these bodies are being manufactured on the Rings of Saturn.

[Raman]

vbaba wrote
[....]We understand that these bodies are being manufactured on the Rings of Saturn. [...]

Then, you are saying that 3d is destroyed (and by necessity 2d? <----you were asked this and did not answer). Then those bodies brought to earth?

Then, what is the purpose of dual activated bodies? Do you understand this is a crucial part of the Ra material having to do to Harvest?

vbaba: you are claiming to be elder race and such...questions are asked, it appears you are responding selectively. Honestly, you should put more effort and answer the questions asked since you are bringing up all this info about you, Harvest, etc.

[vbaba]

vb has resigned

[unity100]

[quote='vbaba' pid='42712' dateline='1307714535']
We are not familiar with Q'uo.

Q'uo is a principle channeled primarily by Carla, the channeler of the Ra material. The principle includes Ra, as well as two other social memory complexes from the confederation.

We understand the source of Q'uo is channeled material.

So is the Ra material, despite the method and delivery. Q'uo is not channeled through trance, so the specificity of the information as well as the accuracy might fall behind Ra, but the clarity of Carla as a channel and the consistency of the information within the vast Q'uo databases rivals any other channeled material I've found.

The few quotes of Q'uo we've read regarding the Harvest, we do not subscribe to that distortion of promoting a Harvest without inconvenience

Ra stated at the time of the Ra contact that inconveniences had already begun, so harvest without inconvenience would be impossible already:

14.27 Questioner: I assume that as the cycle ends and inconveniences occur, there will be some entities who start seeking or be catalyzed into seeking because of the trauma and will then hear your words telepathically or in written form such as this book. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct except in understanding that the inconveniences have begun.

Obviously, inconveniences continue and will continue until 3D is purged from the Earth, but the inconveniences are a reflection/expression of the purging rather than the source of the purging.

Also, information stated at the time of the Ra material regarding the future, whether in relation to harvest or otherwise, was probabilities. The probabilities have changed.

or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

What do you mean by this? Do you propose that karma automatically means something bad happens in repercussion to something bad done? Could you clarify how your view karma fits in with Ra's definitions:

17.20 Ra:...In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?
Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

we prefer to trust a direct connection with our best friend, our Higher Self. Establishing a working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance in 4D.

I'm not so sure that the higher self would prophesize anything. The purpose of the higher self is to "protect when possible and guide when asked." (Ra, 70.11) No doubt that trusting your higher self and establishing a working rapport is important in any spiritual work, but information regarding cataclysmic events, in my eyes, neither protects nor guides.

Thank you for your explanation of Q'uo. Is this then likened to the relationship Jane Roberts had with Seth? Is this entity Q'uo a portion, a Ego/Personality of the Soul/Spirit Complex of the channeler? Why did Ra leave? Where did Ra go?

Being a visionary however, can manifest in entities not using a method of channeling. This is not professing we are of that nature, but there is a "technique" - a specific method Kundalini meditation which may then be used to connect to the Akashic Records, where past, present and future can be seen. Briefly:

The Kundalini leaves the base of the spine, spirals around the body, each cycle connects to each Chakra which causes illumination, causing it to spin - That respective Ray ascends to the crown of the head where it exits then surrounds the body. As the Kundalini spirals around the body, each Chakra is activated and its Ray ascends up and out through the Crown then surrounds the body. A "Dome of Protection" forms, approximately 25 feet in diameter. The Kundalini then flows out from the crown, like a fountain, surrounding the inner portion of this Dome - is then protected from unenlightened spirits. The Kundalini, through the Silver Cord, makes its direct connection to the lower hemisphere of the Golden Sphere of the Higher Self. The upper Sphere is the Monad, the Multidimensional Self which we were taught is not advisable to contact prematurely! When the Kundalini passes through the brain, the 80% Tensor Part is activated. During the connection in lower hemisphere of the Golden Sphere, one may "go out" to a specific Ray to discover that which we seek to know. The Kundalini then descends in the opposite way it was raised. We were informed that this is the method used by the Masters, to which we are not! - but strive towards.

---

The Root Races actually stem from Gnosticism. The Aryan Root Race is the 5th, that of the principle of Samael. I have a chart around here somewhere with the other Root races... the next is supposed to be the Khoradi, those with blue skin.

Theosophy is heavily laced with Gnostic principles I've found. The whole idea of the 7 Rays comes from this.

Sounds like that is a most interesting chart! Yes this Aryan Root Race is number 5. Have not heard of "Khoradi". We were instructed that the 6th Root Race name if the Aquarian Root Race, but perhaps the "Khoradi" could be an ancient language which means the same as "Aquarian"? There were rugged "Blue Bodies" manufacturer by those of Jupiter for the 2nd Root Race near the location of Great Britain, but 63,000 years ago a comet struck near the Hudson Bay and that was the end of those Blue Bodies!

We understand that these bodies are being manufactured on the Rings of Saturn.

and how do we understand that ?

It is fascinating to study the variety of bodies that were manufactured for us to experience in the physical. The Lemurians were particularly interesting in that half of them had the plastic-like bodies and were some 60' tall while the other half were miniature. It was a world of contrasts! We understand the new 4D bodies will be similar to the Polynesian type bodies, although denser - approximately 150 pounds with black hair, brown skinned and brown eyes. The bodies will be compatible for the eternal Springtime the earth is soon to become.

and how do we 'understand' these again ?

you are talking about manufacturing of bodies here and there, yet the source material we are discussing here (which happens to be Ra material) says that the 4d bodies which are going to be used on this planet are going to be product of natural evolution from bodies on this planet.

really, what is your source, or rationalization for your assumptions ?

vbaba: you are claiming to be elder race and such...questions are asked, it appears you are responding selectively. Honestly, you should put more effort and answer the questions asked since you are bringing up all this info about you, Harvest, etc.

he is not answering selectively. he is basically evading questions that he cannot provide reasonable answers for.

like the 'lord of the planet jesus' proposition.

[Unbound]

Perhaps he means that the genetic patterns that will express themselves are being developed? Afterall, it's stated that harvest will be the end of 3D bodies on this planet for a period of time.