Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Raman]

If your wondering how the planet becomes depopulated without a catastrophic disaster scenerio then the below should offer some insight, particularly highlighting the role of dual-activated entities in making this happen.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0902.aspx

It would be very dislocating, my brother, for entities of third density to see the full panoply of fourth density as it intersperses with your own. Therefore, there shall not be the manifestation of fourth density until the third-density population of your planet has finished its work here.

It is very difficult for entities to imagine how such a large population, all across your globe, could just shrink and disappear. And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet.

Those with dual-activated bodies are far more able to see whether or not there is the necessity for further incarnations upon this planet. They will begin naturally to refrain from producing children. And so, by a fairly rapid progression after that point, the third-density population of the planet will indeed shrink in a natural and organic way, because there is the awareness that the dusk has come, the evening is at hand, and the work is done.

I am repelled by a catastrophic scenario mainly for one thing: nuclear weapons/centrals.

It seems this pole shift was averted by the wanderers wave...so far wonderful.

However, have you noticed that in spite of earth being mainly + (that is why it will be 4d +) there are innumerable conflicts including wars, injustices, and weapons in the hands of a so called "elite" including Tesla's?

I am trying to discern the 4d paradigm. I am all for 3d continuance as long as the power structure vanishes quickly. Meaning either by discrepancies with interactions with 4d "wave" and the effect of 3d and dual ones etc... reacting with the current economic system then allowing true justice, fairness, etc..to begin..otherwise, continuance does not make much sense considering what all this entails.

That is without counting "all are harvested regardless of progress..." that Ra mentions. We seem to forget about this because of Quo channelings but honestly, how can those be as accurate as Ra's? Still I am trying to keep an open mind.

Also we should consider "we are not alone" scenario, in which danger of nuclear devices, etc could be averted by the so called confederation, etc.

How can you revert a power structure if everything continues the same?

So that Q'uos quote does not mention harvest which is another thing.

But I guess is good we are having this discussion.

[3DMonkey]

Ra says wars allow greater opportunity to polarize which gives a greater amount of entities to do the work they came here to do.

It's positive to accept it and negative to hate it.

[unity100]

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I am repelled by a catastrophic scenario mainly for one thing: nuclear weapons/centrals.

dont forget GMOs. these crops are designed to cross pollinate or kill the crops next field, by monsanto. so that they could sue the farmers next field. they are eradicating the natural population of crops everywhere.

it would be difficult to eradicate them even if we started now, in cooperation. but such a thing will not happen, since power structure still remains, and people who are persuaded in their favor are still a lot. at this rate, they may replace the entire fauna in their range by the time any transition happens.

[Monica]

Ra says wars allow greater opportunity to polarize which gives a greater amount of entities to do the work they came here to do.

That's not all Ra said about war. War also shortened the lifespans, caused continents to sink and planets to be destroyed, unnecessary trauma to entities, increased STS polarizing/harvestability while decreasing STO polarizing/harvestability.

It's positive to accept it and negative to hate it.

Those aren't the only 2 options. Accepting it without the use of will does nothing to change it and will actually reinforce it, thus aiding in the polarization of STS entities. Accepting it with love AND will, can transform the mechanism for STS polarizing, into something positive.

[unity100]

there is also another catch in the info given by quo :

so, a lot of 6d wanderers incarnated, did lightwork, and therefore stored 3d energy for continuance of 3d society past the harvest, AND, this will also allow continuance of the harvest, increasing harvest numbers, is it ?

basically such a situation would allow harvests to continue unabashed as much as it goes - incarnate 6d wanderers, 'store 3d energy', keep harvest going past the harvest date. increasing harvest numbers and decreasing the need to move 3d entities in between planets.

then, why isnt this being done in all 3d planets ? or, lets say this is a rare occasion, why isnt this mentioned by Ra regarding harvest ? even if that is an anomaly, if harvest duration can span 20-70 years, it is something that should be noted. and as such, there would be no need to subject disincarnate entities to harvest at 'that' given time, since there wouldnt be any need to harvest everyone at once.

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another sidenote - it is told that harvest has started with harmonic convergence of 1987.... so, the harvest, which is designed as a mechanism like tickings of a clock, starts with something that is LOCAL to this solar system. in another point in the galaxy, 'harmonic convergence' will not happen, because the position of that solar system in the galaxy will not be same with this solar system. there are endless parameters. moreover, there were going to be harvests in maldek, mars too, but, did their harvest coincide with 'harmonic convergence' even in this solar system at all ?

we are told in Ra that approach of 4d, therefore the date of harvest is like tickings of a clock, not only here but elsewhere. even if more time is given to 3d. the mechanism that runs this, must be same across the galaxy, or even universe. so, it cant be something that is LOCAL to this solar system.

[Raman]

we are told in Ra that approach of 4d, therefore the date of harvest is like tickings of a clock, not only here but elsewhere. even if more time is given to 3d. the mechanism that runs this, must be same across the galaxy, or even universe. so, it cant be something that is LOCAL to this solar system.

Apparently not only by Ra, but by that other 6d group that contacted people (mayans) in South America. Tickings of a clock indeed. And it seems that is what it was intended to represent...harvest and no more 3d...two 6d groups basically giving same date same info...one shared the tarot the other the calendar...

[unity100]

i am actually allowing variations like this or that. ie, wanderers had incarnated to lighten planetary vibrations, we know that. and they may succeed. but, no information was given about these wanderers being able to prolong harvest duration. it seems to me more like that wanderers incarnated to lighten planetary vibrations so that the incarnate entities, and their society may keep on living undisturbed until harvest time, so that a normal harvest can happen. else, by this time there would be a lot of cataclysms that would shatter the planet.

[zenmaster]

Good thing we didn't invent space travel by now, we might be off the planet and not get harvested.

[3DMonkey]

Good thing we didn't invent space travel by now, we might be off the planet and not get harvested.

Oh that's just silly

[Raman]

Good thing we didn't invent space travel by now, we might be off the planet and not get harvested.

Your beer with the sub-Logos will have to wait a little longer...

[Raman]

Tomorrow May 20 third day of Ninth Wave starts.

Also notice how things are changing in Spain...Maybe Kia can provide more info.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24847

It seems this is not going to stop...any police repression can easily be recorded with cell phones and used in court...media...etc...

[kia]

Tomorrow May 20 third day of Ninth Wave starts.

Also notice how things are changing in Spain...Maybe Kia can provide more info.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24847

It seems this is not going to stop...any police repression can easily be recorded with cell phones and used in court...media...etc...

Raman, thanks for the article. I couldn´t find a better way to say in english what´s going on in here…Unlike, I can´t say a lot cause I´ve been for the last 3/4 days isolated at my place and pay no attention to news. Never thought it was going to go so far. As far as I know, there are about 7000 people camping in the center of the city “Puerta del Sol” and also God knows how many people camping in another 21 cities. They have been/are protests being held in many Spanish embassies across the world. That the camping its being going on since Sunday and the government has totally agreed on this and police are keeping an eye but peacefully. I´m going there to have a look in a couple of hrs…

[zenmaster]

Good thing we didn't invent space travel by now, we might be off the planet and not get harvested.

Your beer with the sub-Logos will have to wait a little longer...

oh darnit, how inconvenient.

[3DMonkey]

http://www.ufohefeweizen.com/

[Raman]

Tomorrow May 20 third day of Ninth Wave starts.

Also notice how things are changing in Spain...Maybe Kia can provide more info.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24847

It seems this is not going to stop...any police repression can easily be recorded with cell phones and used in court...media...etc...

Raman, thanks for the article. I couldn´t find a better way to say in english what´s going on in here…Unlike, I can´t say a lot cause I´ve been for the last 3/4 days isolated at my place and pay no attention to news. Never thought it was going to go so far. As far as I know, there are about 7000 people camping in the center of the city “Puerta del Sol” and also God knows how many people camping in another 21 cities. They have been/are protests being held in many Spanish embassies across the world. That the camping its being going on since Sunday and the government has totally agreed on this and police are keeping an eye but peacefully. I´m going there to have a look in a couple of hrs…

Thing about this is that is totally peaceful...And it seems it is spreading rapidly. The "authorities" have banned Sat/Sun in order to abort this spreading that apparently is taking hold of other EU areas.

In "Arab world", Iceland, Greece, etc...protests were violent...this one is an spontaneous peaceful movement....and they are not going to give up Sat/Sun...

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Also notice: maybe it was triggered by economic crisis, etc...but now it is about JUSTICE, DIGNITY, AGAINST LIES...et,... if this is not an increase (tremendous) in green I don't know what it is....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wJwYzN_wVs&NR=1

[kia]

As soon as I entered in Sol it was like what I´ve imagined it would be like 4th density. Like in another world, sharing is natural, people´s faces are all familiar and almost there is no need for words. Everything is impeccably organized. There is even an area for kids to play, paint, eat and sleep. Lots of people and some companies are donating continuously anything: food, public toilets, computers, instruments, furniture, mattresses, carpets, blankets, first aid… There is a public board that gets updated every certain time for the things that are needed. You can´t use money. No even donations. The walls are covered with messages of love, hope, unity, freedom… Dogs and cats are coming to join. It´s an unforgettable experience…can say no more http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13466977

[3DMonkey]

Doesn't sound like a place I wanna be. Kudos to the love.

[Spectrum]

One thing that never seizes to amaze me when they talk about 21 December 2012, is they always say "on the Winter Solstice". Do you think they know that the entire Southern Hemisphere is having a Summer Solstice on that day?

[3DMonkey]

Lol. Polarity. Duality. Dichotomy.

[unity100]

the possibility of only 3d entities being harvested, and the rest - wanderers and harvested new 4d incarnates remaining on the planet also exists.

[3DMonkey]

Two may be the greatest number. Everything comes in twos.

[Spectrum]

1892 - 1912 : night

1912 - 1932 : day

1932 - 1952 : night

1952 - 1971 : day

1971 - 1991 : night

1991 - 2011 : day


notice how day periods coincide with positive atmosphere, peace and progress in general in average worldwide, and how night periods coincide with wars, regression, negative atmosphere on average worldwide, especially in the last century with a few exceptions:

I'm sorry unity, in the interest of open debate, your theory (or who ever's theory this is), doesn't hold water. Major negative things happened in the day periods globally, and major positive things happened in the night periods.

The First World War falls in one of your day periods, the great depression, the Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King assassination, the Vietnam war, the advent of the CIA COINTELPRO Operation in response to the hippie movement, the Six Day War, the Cold War, the African independence period (very bloody, all starting off with the cruellest dictators imaginable), Gulf War, 9/11, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars ("war on terror"). In light of history, the day periods on this timeline you provided is much darker than the night periods.

In any theory or scientific experiment, the exception must either be very rare or non-existent. In the timeline you provided the exception is the rule.

[unity100]

I'm sorry unity, in the interest of open debate, your theory (or who ever's theory this is), doesn't hold water. Major negative things happened in the day periods globally, and major positive things happened in the night periods.

The First World War falls in one of your day periods, the great depression, the Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King assassination, the Vietnam war, the advent of the CIA COINTELPRO Operation in response to the hippie movement, the Six Day War, the African independence period (very bloody, all starting off with the cruellest dictators imaginable), Gulf War, 9/11, the Iraq and Afghanistan war. In light of history, the day periods on this timeline you provided is much darker than the night periods.

keneddy assassination, martin luther king assassination, vietnam war, cia's dealings, six day wars, are things pertaining to certain local cultures. and african dictator period is a period that is initiated by the very country that engaged in those events you spoke of. universe doesnt care about american history, and does not base its mechanics on that.

moreover, there is the concept of polarization. a negatively polarized society will act according to its nature at all times, regardless of the cycle. the negativity may subside or increase, but a negative polarized country is a negative polarized country.

there is also the concept of delayed reaction. when an effect puts various dynamics into motion in any given period, there is nothing that says the dynamics will surface right at the time of effect's continuance.

a good example is ww 1. yes, ww 1 coincides with a day period, but it immediately follows the night period, which has been a period in which increasingly negative feelings and estrangement towards others based on various rationale and reasons were built up in between the cultures around the world, with an accompanying militarization and power race.

moreover, actually the first world war could easily have begun (and in fact, should have) in 1912-1913 during balkan wars. and in the end, it began in balkans in 1914.

there are other such examples and even more examples, but, all of these would require an affinity and interest into history readership.

In any theory or scientific experiment, the exception much either be very rare or non-existent. In the timeline you provided the exception is the rule.

unfounded.

[Spectrum]

there is also the concept of delayed reaction. when an effect puts various dynamics into motion in any given period, there is nothing that says the dynamics will surface right at the time of effect's continuance.

You are contradicting yourself:

notice how day periods coincide with positive atmosphere, peace and progress

1912-1932 day - is a period which sees a lot of changes in the world, especially fading away of nationalism after a major world war,

Not true, nationalism has increased.

moreover, actually the first world war could easily have begun (and in fact, should have) in 1912-1913 during balkan wars.

But it didn't, which reminds me of the saying "what the thinker thinks, the prover proves."

In any theory or scientific experiment, the exception much either be very rare or non-existent. In the timeline you provided the exception is the rule.

unfounded.

Fact, ask any scientist. It's common sense.

[unity100]

you shouldnt talk about facts, science or similar concepts before correctly perceiving or having sufficient insight on them first :

coincide doesnt mean they are identical. this effect is tied to the effects of the sun, not the society's own musings. society reacts to the energy coming from the sun. their reaction is rarely immediate.

lack of information and insight shows in your incorrect opinion about 1912-1932 period. you probably think because of hardliner movements like nazism, fascism, nationalism has increased. these do not have any direct linkage to nationalism, despite some of them have exploited nationalism in order to acquire followers, especially nazism. however, nazism had paid lip service to anything that could garner them enough votes to get into power, including socialism.

however, these were ideological movements. like how radical versions of extreme left come into prominence in ussr during the period, despite not containing any nationalism due to the doctrine they have been following.

the actual effect of the cycles are found in the society itself. for example, whereas the literature, arts predominantly had nationalistic and imperialistic undertones, which also emphasized grandeur, the literature after world war one strays off to being a predominantly people's literature, concentrated on more humane things compared to the earlier decades. this is because people's consciousness and concentration are focused on these things rather than the others.

as a simple example, even in the decade leading up to nazi prominence in elections in germany, there is still 20-30% social democrat voter base, whereas the people in britain even support gandhi's efforts against their government in an open fashion.

'but it didnt' is a funny and ridiculous approach that could invalidate practically ANYthing in human history, whereas a half arsed google search easily turns out numerous articles regarding the balkan - ww 1 connectio, one of which being the below

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/balkan_causes.htm

why it didnt start in 1912, despite all the requirements for the war to start being present, is totally a function of free will. the monarchs in the alliances could have acted earlier, or later, according to their free will.

as i understand from your misconception of increase of nationalism in between world war period, you are not vested in interest of history as i am. if i keep discussing with you, i will end up having to explain numerous intricate concepts ranging from the japan culture and the effect of imperial cult, to the sharp contrast in between people's attitudes and reactions to nationalism and ideologies and governments' efforts to pump up and use them as causes/justifications for various things.

which, i dont have any interest in doing. so, i will respectfully bow out of this discussion. thank you.

[Raman]

Thank you Kia.

This is an interesting video about what's going on in Spain. There are different persons each with a different language (Arabic, German, different Spanish accents --I think one is Chilean or Argentinian other Spanish), French, Italian, Portuguese...You can see there is joy in them as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8oK3qjUUoo

So even the "authorities" banned Sat/Sun, they did not leave they did the opposite: they increased in numbers...all over the country. Interesting the media in general and in other countries are keeping this very quiet.

[3DMonkey]

1892 - 1912 : night

1912 - 1932 : day

1932 - 1952 : night

1952 - 1971 : day

1971 - 1991 : night

1991 - 2011 : day


notice how day periods coincide with positive atmosphere, peace and progress in general in average worldwide, and how night periods coincide with wars, regression, negative atmosphere on average worldwide, especially in the last century with a few exceptions:

I'm sorry unity, in the interest of open debate, your theory (or who ever's theory this is), doesn't hold water. Major negative things happened in the day periods globally, and major positive things happened in the night periods.

The First World War falls in one of your day periods, the great depression, the Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King assassination, the Vietnam war, the advent of the CIA COINTELPRO Operation in response to the hippie movement, the Six Day War, the Cold War, the African independence period (very bloody, all starting off with the cruellest dictators imaginable), Gulf War, 9/11, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars ("war on terror"). In light of history, the day periods on this timeline you provided is much darker than the night periods.

In any theory or scientific experiment, the exception must either be very rare or non-existent. In the timeline you provided the exception is the rule.

The day this thread started, I wasn't "going there." I didn't wanna open that can.

[Spectrum]

you shouldnt talk about facts, science or similar concepts before correctly perceiving or having sufficient insight on them first :

That’s why I don’t. Since third party sources enjoyed some attention in this thread, with regard to Dolores Cannon, I will just respectfully point out that your third party source is also disinfo.

coincide doesnt mean they are identical. this effect is tied to the effects of the sun, not the society's own musings.

I’m sorry unity, but you are talking nonsense. You pointed out in your first post of this thread how ‘day periods’ coincide with peace, positivity, progress and harmony worldwide, and when I pointed out that it actually doesn’t, I have to listen to your rationalizations about things like delayed responses, and the sun’s influences etc. I know very well about the cosmic influence on the human psyche, that wasn’t my point. My point was that your statement about day periods being positive and night periods being negative as reflected in world events, obviously isn’t so:

notice how day periods coincide with positive atmosphere, peace and progress in general in average worldwide, and how night periods coincide with wars, regression, negative atmosphere on average worldwide, especially in the last century with a few exceptions :

lack of information and insight shows in your incorrect opinion about 1912-1932 period. you probably think because of hardliner movements like nazism, fascism, nationalism has increased. these do not have any direct linkage to nationalism, despite some of them have exploited nationalism in order to acquire followers, especially nazism.

I’m afraid the lack of information is on your side. Fascism and nazism is nationality in its extreme form. I grew up in a fascist country, so I experienced that extreme form of nationalism first hand.

fas•cism

( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

however, these were ideological movements. like how radical versions of extreme left come into prominence in ussr during the period, despite not containing any nationalism due to the doctrine they have been following.

Which area of the world do you feel we should focus on, for your theory to be legitimate. Since you said ‘worldwide’ in your original post, I assumed you meant ‘worldwide’. For your theory to have any basis is reality, we have to be very, very selective geographically, and avoid the largest sections of the planet.

the actual effect of the cycles are found in the society itself. for example, whereas the literature, arts predominantly had nationalistic and imperialistic undertones, which also emphasized grandeur, the literature after world war one strays off to being a predominantly people's literature, concentrated on more humane things compared to the earlier decades. this is because people's consciousness and concentration are focused on these things rather than the others.

This is a very broad and vague statement, and not one I necessarily agree with. Does this observation of yours apply globally, or is it geographically specific?

as a simple example, even in the decade leading up to nazi prominence in elections in germany, there is still 20-30% social democrat voter base, whereas the people in britain even support gandhi's efforts against their government in an open fashion.

And like this, we can selectively choose all kinds of positive and negative events in all places, and they will coincide with your day periods in some places, and with your night periods in other places. Ghandi faced massive resistance by the way. My point being, if the theory holds water, a pattern will be easily identifiable, and it clearly isn’t. In my view, we are a polarised society, always have been, and those two polarities have interweaved our entire history at all times.

'but it didnt' is a funny and ridiculous approach that could invalidate practically ANYthing in human history, whereas a half arsed google search easily turns out numerous articles regarding the balkan - ww 1 connectio, one of which being the below

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/balkan_causes.htm

No, it is just inconvenient for you because it doesn’t fit in with your theory. That’s all. “What the thinker thinks, the prover proves". You have to resort to lengthy justifications of things which clearly invalidates your theory.

And all the wars that fall within your day periods invalidates your theory as well:

• Vietnam War
• Six Day War
• The Cold War
• Gulf War
• Iraq War
• Afghanistan war

Not to mention 9/11 and the agenda behind that act, all falling within one of your day periods. It’s ridiculous, and it has no basis is reality.

as i understand from your misconception of increase of nationalism in between world war period, you are not vested in interest of history as i am.

While my knowledge of history is quite up to standard, one doesn’t really have to be a history buff to only give a cursory glance at your timeline to see that it makes no sense.

if i keep discussing with you, i will end up having to explain numerous intricate concepts ranging from the japan culture and the effect of imperial cult, to the sharp contrast in between people's attitudes and reactions to nationalism and ideologies and governments' efforts to pump up and use them as causes/justifications for various things.

which, i dont have any interest in doing. so, i will respectfully bow out of this discussion. thank you.

I agree, unity. Let’s rather agree to disagree, and avoid a de-ja-vu. I’m tired of all the online disinfo as it apparently relates to the Mayan Calendar, all part and parcel of the 2012 fever.

[unity100]

thank you for your participation spectrum.

[Raman]

[....] I’m tired of all the online disinfo as it apparently relates to the Mayan Calendar, all part and parcel of the 2012 fever.

There is much disinfo which helps to sell merchandise and promote fear, that is true . Also based on ignorance. But I think there is also a lot of evidence (from the Ra material) supporting it. Not only specific dates (2011) but the other 6d group that came on same mission with Ra who went to South America. Also came back about 3000 years later, which coincides with Mayans Preclassic period. So again, we can see info that we can use to produce tabular data. There is a lot to the "Mayan Calendar" and 2012 date is not even included. It seems the zeroing occurs rather in 2011 a date that Ra gave as well in response to a very specific question asked.

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Made a mistake "Also came back about 3000 years later" should be "3000 years ago"