Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[zenmaster]

Why cannot we just show empathy/sympathy without being prodded to do so by painful catalysts?

Some people are just born with that ability. No catalyst.

[Confused]

Why cannot we just show empathy/sympathy without being prodded to do so by painful catalysts?

Some people are just born with that ability. No catalyst.

You mean the Wanderers, the salt of the earth!

[Raman]

43.25 Questioner: On this planet after the harvest is complete, will fourth-density beings be incarnate on the surface as we know it now?

Ra: I am Ra. The probability/possibility vortices indicate this to be most likely.

I may be interpreting it wrong, thought. Yet, it may provide some added material for discussion.

It seems to me that the way of judging probability and statistical endeavors would be different for a 6d complex and a 3d entity/group. Then, a probability given as most likely by Ra should be very correct...

Secondly, another problem is that they stay away from giving exact dates as (a channel) this would be more proper of negative influence...which brings an interesting point since the exact date previously given by regular interpretations of the calendar was 2012...

However, it appears this date is wrong and it took years of research not only with the mayan calendar but with the (was it >20 feet tall?) structure found which belonged to the same people that made the calendar and indeed it was a complement to it. Interesting enough, this is more or less (since exact dates were not "allowed") the year the mayans (of that time) appear to have concluded for the completion of the underworlds.

That 6d group returned to South america physically while Ra did not:

I had to include the whole question to include at least some context.

2.2 Questioner: Could you tell us something of your historical background and your contact with earlier races on this planet? Then we would have something to start with.
Ra: I am Ra. We are aware that your mind/body is calculating the proper method of performing the task of creating a teach/learning instrument. We are aware that you find our incarnate, as you call it, state of interest. We waited for a second query so as to emphasize that the time/space of several thousand of your years creates a spurious type of interest. Thus in giving this information, we ask the proper lack of stress be placed upon our experiences in your local space/time. The teach/learning which is our responsibility is philosophical rather than historical. We shall now proceed with your request which is harmless if properly evaluated.

We are those of the Confederation who eleven thousand of your years ago came to two of your planetary cultures which were at that time closely in touch with the creation of the One Creator. It was our naive belief that we could teach/learn by direct contact and the free will distortions of individual feeling or personality were in no danger, we thought, of being disturbed as these cultures were already closely aligned with an all-embracing belief in the live-ness or consciousness of all. We came and were welcomed by the peoples whom we wished to serve. We attempted to aid them in technical ways having to do with the healing of mind/body/spirit complex distortions through the use of the crystal, appropriate to the distortion, placed within a certain appropriate series of ratios of time/space material. Thus were the pyramids created.

We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power. This was not intended by the Law of One. We left your peoples. The group that was to work with those in the area of South America, as you call that portion of your sphere, gave up not so easily. They returned. We did not. However, we have never left your vibration due to our responsibility for the changes in consciousness we had first caused and then found distorted in ways not relegated to the Law of One. We attempted to contact the rulers of the land to which we had come, that land which you call Egypt, or in some areas, the Holy Land.

In the Eighteenth Dynasty, as it is known in your records of space/time distortions, we were able to contact a pharaoh, as you would call him. The man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, Wanderer. Thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own. This young entity had been given a vibratory complex of sound which vibrated in honor of a prosperous god, as this mind/body complex, which we call instrument for convenience, would call “Ammon.” The entity decided that this name, being in honor of one among many gods, was not acceptable for inclusion in his vibratory sound complex. Thus, he changed his name to one which honored the sun disc. This distortion, called “Aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion. However, it does not come totally into alignment with the intended teach/learning which was sent. This entity, Ikhnaton, became convinced that the vibration of One was the true spiritual vibration and thus decreed the Law of One.

However, this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships.

Do you have a more detailed interest at this time?

So it seems to me that this knowledge and congruencies with the Ra material has been around for a while now. And I am not surprised to find other possible less accurate channels including partial info in their channelings before Ra material channelings with Carla, Don, Jim.

[Confused]

That 6d group returned to South america physically while Ra did not:

They did!! I sort of missed that simple implication.

I wonder they returned as whom! There should be some inscriptions from the time that speaks of strange beings of light or something of that sort in a mythic sense. What do you think, R?

[zenmaster]

Quatzequatel?

[3DMonkey]

Have you read Sitchin, Confused?

No, I don't know the forum's general opinion of him, zenmaster. Before I get a "this again?" quote

[zenmaster]

Wasn't this group the same that visited the elder race then?
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#12

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Before I get a "this again?" quote

That was more from refusal to search before reposting, and it happened yet again after.

[Confused]

Have you read Sitchin, Confused?

No, 3. I have not. Is he a famous bloke in the field of Mayan studies?

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Quatzequatel?

Is that not the snake god of the Mayans?

[Ens Entium]

Hey Confused, to add to that, another thing you could look into is the Ancient Aliens documentaries. Have you seen them? The info on all the South American cultures, actually, are quite interesting.

[Confused]

Hey Confused, to add to that, another thing you could look into is the Ancient Aliens documentaries. Have you seen them? The info on all the South American cultures, actually, are quite interesting.

Thanks for the heads-up, EE. I will definitely check them out. Now they will make more sense, as the LOO offers a platform to understand them better.

[kia]

That 6d group returned to South america physically while Ra did not:

They did!! I sort of missed that simple implication.

I wonder they returned as whom! There should be some inscriptions from the time that speaks of strange beings of light or something of that sort in a mythic sense. What do you think, R?

Quatzequatel?

I remember HH talked about a 6th density group soul called "Quetzalcoalt"...maybe you are not referring to this

Third Session:
ATS: Im wondering if you can help me. My name is Shelby David, and I am here for the coming trials and tribulations. I am a part of Quetzalcoatl, or the rebirth of it, as far as I know. I know many of your words to be true because I had already re-discovered these truths through finding that which resonated most with me through the various belief structures of this planet.
HH: Good evening Shelby. It is good to 'see' you again. It has been a while old friend. Would it surprise you to know that we were 'expecting' you?

Quetzalcoatl is also a Sixth Density Group Soul (Social Memory Complex). Some refer to Quetzalcoatl as an "Ascended Master", although he would be most amused by that title, knowing as he does, that 'Mastery' is still some way off at this point for him, as well as it is for ourselves (as Group Soul Lucifer). One can be accurately described as having 'Mastered' a particular Density, though Mastery of the entire Creational incarnation Cycle does not occur until one has once again attained submergeance back into the One Infinite Creator. We may choose to do so once attaining 8th Density ascension, or, once may choose instead to progress up to the next Octave of Densities, and begin a new cycle of Creational incarnation challenges.
ATS: This is my first time on earth in a long time, possibly ever. I have known for quite some time and been told by another from one of the bloodlines in your group that I do not truly exist here.
HH: You are correct in that you have not been here for a substantial period of "Earth-Time", though not that you have never been here before. The Group Soul Quetzalcoatl enjoyed many 3rd Density incarnational cycles here back in the Classic Aztec period. He struggled at first with perfecting Love love for others, which held back his progression for some time. However once he had came to the realization of our inherant Unity, he was able to see himself in others, and his (your) progression was rapid from there on in. Your Quetzalcoatl Soul Group attained Positive Harvest with a very impressive 76%, at the time of the subsequent Harvest. Naturally, when a Group Soul is undergoing an incarnational cycle in 3rd Density, It's individualized Soul portions (ie, you) are the ones who are doing the actual physical incarnations, with the "OverSoul" (the "Higher Self") of your individuated Souls acting as the Energy anchor in which the individual Soul sparks are "stepped down" from.

You spent a long while working your way through the 5th Density, the Density of Wisdom, or Light. This was due in the main part to an over abundance of Compassion (which is not a bad thing, as Compassion is one of the main things you work on at 4th Density). However, to Graduate from 5th to 6th Density (the Density of Unity), one must learn the balance between Compassion, and Wisdom. The 6th Density is hence sometimes known as the the Density of Compassionate Wisdom, due to one having learnt the balance between the two. This required many incarnational cycles for you, which is why you correctly feel that you have not visited 3rd Density Earth for a long time.
ATS: I was not expected to show up, I originally had other previous engagements but I managed to get here at the last minute. One of the things I have remembered is that I am too under contract. I am a walk-in, if that makes sense to you, so my human family is not like me. I have spent a long time traveling to various densities and helping in the various revolutions there.
HH: Your insight serves you well Shelby. This not only applies to you, but your entire Soul Group.

Quetzalcoatl (the Macrocosm of yourself) has been busy for the last two cycles working with a 5th Density group on Alpha Centuri, who were experiencing similar problems with an overabundance of Compassion, at the cost [of] personal Wisdom. You recently completed your assignment there, and were eager not to miss out on the glorious opportunity to be a part of this Great Harvest. Whilst your Group as I said, did eventually learn to balance Love / Light to Graduate into the 6th Density Unity vibration, you still are very much prone to extreme compassion, and rather than take the usual period of time/space (anti-matter universe, where we rest between incarnations) you were keen to jump aboard this 3rd Density space/time whirlwind at this point, to be of assistance to your fellow Beings here.
ATS: My problem is that my memory has malfunctioned, and some of the things that I have remembered from my previous existences do not correspond with your words. I have met Lucifer and his generals, on more than one occasion. I would appreciate any information you may know of that could clear up my confusion as to why my thoughts are so jumbled, because I know what my path is clearly and I am awaiting the starting point, but I am not completely clear on what truly is happening here. Thank you for your time.
HH: You have indeed 'met' with us (Lucifer) before, on many occasions. We have worked together on various Council and Confederation assignments. Use the gift of your 'Dreamtime' communications (which are important communications from your OverSoul, and many other Sources whereby information is "downloaded") to 'plug in' to your inner data-bank. Begin recording everything you recall upon awaking, and do not give up on the process, even though it is hard at first. You will begin to slowly make sense of the information which is being "downloaded" into your subconscious mind. When you become proficient at this, and can use your 'Dreamtime' as a method of inner communication, ask our Infinte Creator to remind you of your time in the Zeta Reticuli system. You will remember then our last period of Service together, I would hope with much fondness.

Sadly, my time here is only permitted until Friday, therefore we will not likely communicate again after this message. So I wish you the very best with your Assignment here my friend, both your individual one, and that of your Group Soul. I ask that our Infinte Creator bless and guide your path. We look forward to seeing you on 'the other side' when this grand ride is over.

Our Love, Wisdom and Peace be with you.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[unity100]

If you've looked into the subject, you'd see that Calleman stands quite alone in his scholarly interpretation, as a 'Mayanist', of the calendar - as he is alone in his social, political, and economic predictions. That his, his interpretations are criticized and rejected by his colleagues. Now this does not mean he is 'wrong', as you might interpret. However, in other words, Calleman's (impressionable) ideas are not magically equivalent to the Mayan calendar, by mere association or, for that matter, some desire to link the date of October 2011 with the approximate date from Don in the Ra Material. And really, that's all we have to begin to work with here, a willingness and desire to link things using his framework (as he himself has done prolifically and with poor track record) and a vague notion of what harvest means. Not quite hopeless, but then this is an entirely subjective exercise which naturally falls out of the bounds of justification.

of course calleman's interpretations or ideas doesnt equate to mayan calendar.

mayan calendar tracks cycles of the sun. and all these cycles end at 18 10 2011. that is the important piece of information.

My interpretation of 'Harvest', for what its worth, is that it is indeed a space/time (localized) condition that allows for the direction of density-based incarnational needs (which body is activated, where is the learning opportunity) after death. As we can die at any time (by random events), "There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity". So I agree that it's a discrete event, after death. The 100-700 year transitional period I posit is simply due to an unknown human lifespan, combined with the influences of 3rd and 4th density creative thought.

harvest happens by an entity approaching a strong light source. which would mean that, the entity would come against a light source and frequency it had not experienced in its life before.

at the minimum, this will have consequences for the entity's psyche and behavior set. if nothing else happens.

this should be similar to the initiation experiences that many people who are chasing spiritualism get generally at the start of their seeking. this should, at the minimum, change the psyche and behavior of harvestable/harvested entities considerably. and, this will happen en masse.

the day before harvest, and the day after harvest can not be the same. that is totally leaving out the consequences of such a mass psyche change happening in population and its magical effects in time/space. not to leave any consequences in space/time.

[3DMonkey]

I contend that Harvest of the Earth does not necessarily take place in a single day.

[Confused]

Thanks, kia. That is very interesting.

[zenmaster]

Again, my interpretation is that harvest happens after death when one is exposed, in 'naked' manner, in a non-confused state, and ready to assess further incarnational needs. It does not seem that we are harvested during an incarnation, unless there is some intelligent infinity contact.

The 4D energies that we experience now and during harvest help 'thoughts become things' and allow us to see things 'more as they are'. Where 'as they are' could pertain to an experience of seeing, relating to, and knowing things in a more primary or fundamental way. 'Primary' in the philosophical sense of Plato's 'forms' or Kants noumenon.

[unity100]

Again, my interpretation is that harvest happens after death when one is exposed, in 'naked' manner, in a non-confused state, and ready to assess further incarnational needs. It does not seem that we are harvested during an incarnation, unless there is some intelligent infinity contact.

that is not possible. if so, those entities who would live natural lives throughout the harvest would not be able to get harvested because they were not disincarnate.

The 4D energies that we experience now and during harvest help 'thoughts become things' and allow us to see things 'more as they are'. Where 'as they are' could pertain to an experience of seeing, relating to, and knowing things in a more primary or fundamental way. 'Primary' in the philosophical sense of Plato's 'forms' or Kants noumenon.

4d energies and what they bring are not relevant to harvest. there were no 4d energies upcoming in the prior cycles, and yet, there were harvests.

[3DMonkey]

. if so, those entities who would live natural lives throughout the harvest would not be able to get harvested because they were not disincarnate.

I see this as a possible scenario according to the info Ra gives us.

Another possible scenario, according to info, is that harvest does not occur on a single day, or single month.

[Raman]

[.....]mayan calendar tracks cycles of the sun. and all these cycles end at 18 10 2011. that is the important piece of information.

I thought the date was 28-10-2011

[Peregrinus]

this should be similar to the initiation experiences that many people who are chasing spiritualism get generally at the start of their seeking. this should, at the minimum, change the psyche and behavior of harvestable/harvested entities considerably. and, this will happen en masse.

the day before harvest, and the day after harvest can not be the same. that is totally leaving out the consequences of such a mass psyche change happening in population and its magical effects in time/space. not to leave any consequences in space/time.

This "mass psyche change" you speak of is, in fact, already taking place and has been for the past several years, though intensifying as the time of the harvest nears.

[unity100]

[.....]mayan calendar tracks cycles of the sun. and all these cycles end at 18 10 2011. that is the important piece of information.

I thought the date was 28-10-2011

yes. i have a tendency to misremember it as 18.

This "mass psyche change" you speak of is, in fact, already taking place and has been for the past several years, though intensifying as the time of the harvest nears.

i dont think it would be possible to compare the general psyche change due to approaching green vibrations, to the one an entity experiences after initiation.

[Raman]

3 cycles of about 25000 years...and those are major cycles then

6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?
Ra: One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

..all are harvested regardless of their progress...

[unity100]

that is insightful.

apparently, in first 2 cycles, only those who are harvestable are harvested. this explains the contact of federation to entities in 2nd cycle, and describing them 4d, difficulties of 3d etc, and then entities being allowed a choice, and they being able to choose staying. so, they were harvestable, but, were not harvested.

in 3rd cycle according to above quote, all are harvested regardless of progress - so, for everyone, harvest takes place. some end up 51%, some end up higher, some end up lower. but, everyone is harvested.

[Confused]

in 3rd cycle according to above quote, all are harvested regardless of progress - so, for everyone, harvest takes place. some end up 51%, some end up higher, some end up lower. but, everyone is harvested.

Yes, I think that is the primary rationale for the famous three-way split. Those over 51% STO inhabiting 4D+ positive earth, those negatively harvestable traveling to a planet supporting their individual vibration, and those who have not made the grade for graduation repeating the lessons of 3D in appropriate spheres.

I think in the Book of Revelation in the Bible, Jesus characterizes them as hot, cold and those lukewarm. Just a speculation.

[Raman]

hehe... this means we never die!...

Seriously, it is the birth of a new earth... there is something VERY joyful about all this.

[Confused]

there is something VERY joyful about all this.

Yes -- but for those who have done the homework for graduation, I guess

No escape from the call of duty in infinite creation :-/

[Raman]

there is something VERY joyful about all this.

Yes -- but for those who have done the homework for graduation, I guess

No escape from the call of duty in infinite creation :-/

Haha and to pass you don't even need to know the material...

16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

[Confused]

Haha and to pass you don't even need to know the material...

Yup, like gravity on our earth, the LOO works throughout infinite creation, whether we realize it or not, I think.

Our will, thoughts and actions could be the actual tests at this level, rather than advanced esoteric understanding. For intensification, potentiaton has to first exist, in Ra parlance

[zenmaster]

Again, my interpretation is that harvest happens after death when one is exposed, in 'naked' manner, in a non-confused state, and ready to assess further incarnational needs. It does not seem that we are harvested during an incarnation, unless there is some intelligent infinity contact.

that is not possible. if so, those entities who would live natural lives throughout the harvest would not be able to get harvested because they were not disincarnate.

When they become disincarnate, they get harvested. Seems simple enough. Not sure why you say it's not possible.

The 4D energies that we experience now and during harvest help 'thoughts become things' and allow us to see things 'more as they are'. Where 'as they are' could pertain to an experience of seeing, relating to, and knowing things in a more primary or fundamental way. 'Primary' in the philosophical sense of Plato's 'forms' or Kants noumenon.

4d energies and what they bring are not relevant to harvest. there were no 4d energies upcoming in the prior cycles, and yet, there were harvests.

Never said they were.

[unity100]

that is not possible. if so, those entities who would live natural lives throughout the harvest would not be able to get harvested because they were not disincarnate.

When they become disincarnate, they get harvested. Seems simple enough. Not sure why you say it's not possible.

if it was so, there would be no need to send a light being to the 2nd cycle harvestees, tell them about 4d, and 3d, and offer them a choice of getting harvested, or staying.

however it happened. 'those who chose not to stay' it says, were those peripherally affiliated with this culture, but they were not harvestable, so they repeated the 3d from highest octave - highest octave part, is rather indicative there - it means closing days of 3d, when in last cycle, when a planet's vibration is in higher vestiges of 3d. else, you cant repeat 3d from the highest octave. remember what was told about the sirius entities - that they were in last octave of 3d.

you dont need to send light beings/messengers to entities who are going to die out natural deaths, and then going to get harvested in disincarnate form - there is no need to.

but, such an action was undertaken.

[3DMonkey]

22.12 Questioner: What type of visit did the Confederation make to this group of 150 entities?
Ra: I am Ra. A light being appeared bearing that which may be called a shield of light. It spoke of the oneness and infinity of all creation and of those things which await those ready for harvest. It described in golden words the beauties of love as lived. It then allowed a telepathic linkage to progressively show those who were interested the plight of third density when seen as a planetary complex. It then left.

This does not say if the group was addressed as a group. It does not say if the entities were addressed in s/t incarnate or t/s disincarnate. There wasn't a need to send the light being, it was a Confederation concern for the next cycle. But, again, no indication that it was a group meeting at a certain hour of time.

22.13 Questioner: Did all of these entities then decide to stay and help during the next 25,000 year cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. As a group they stayed. There were those peripherally associated with this culture which did not stay. However, they were not able to be harvested either and so, beginning at the very highest, shall we say, of the sub-octaves of third density, repeated this density. Many of those who have been of the loving nature are not Wanderers but those of this particular origin of second cycle.

How can you "not stay" AND "not be harvested"?

"As a group they stayed". They stayed a group? They decided, as a group, to stay? When was the group formed, before or after death?

Some of the entities that weren't quite a part of the group did not stay with the group? So, they didn't stay with the group but repeated third density on an almost harvestable octave of third density- after all they weren't officially part of the harvestable group, they were on the peripheral.

If they 'stayed a group', does this mean that the Saints named (different space/time incarnations in different geographical locations) were a single person incarnated by a group, that stayed a group, of entities?

Some of the entities did leave the group, and the planet(?), to join their brothers and sisters.

These are just a few ideas that Ra provides the details of for us to ponder.

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3 cycles of about 25000 years...and those are major cycles then

6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?
Ra: One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

..all are harvested regardless of their progress...

Certainly. No indication here that it happens within a day, a month, a year...