Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[3DMonkey]

I am very clear on each members' reasoning throughout this thread. Nothing is unclear. Perhaps reading over it again will clear this up.

[zenmaster]

no reasoning at all, still, yet you are continually dubbing an approach/relation someone else established with reasoning and references, as 'imaginary'.

where is the reasoning.

But basically, I do not read anything with which to 'argue'. I see the usual gut feelings, intuitions, convenient correlations, and other vagaries of the imagination. This is mingled in with personal hopes, etc. It's like poetry. You don't 'argue' with poetry - you 'resonate' with it. You don't argue with someone that says they see a unicorn in a cloud formation. You might nod your head and think, 'yeah, I can see how that may appear that way'. Rather, you might 'argue' with things that have some philosophical foundation for example, and only then if someone wasn't personally invested in their ideas. If someone says 'that is God', who am I to 'argue'. Just doesn't work that way. Like ramen and his Dewey Larson / mainstream science dichotomy - you just know there is nothing there with which to debate (also rather non sequitur to this topic). But there is a 'vacuum of expectation created and maintained' for an argumentative reaction, for some reason.

[unity100]

But basically, I do not read anything with which to 'argue'. I see the usual gut feelings, intuitions, convenient correlations, and other vagaries of the imagination. This is mingled in with personal hopes, etc. It's like poetry. You don't 'argue' with poetry - you 'resonate' with it. You don't argue with someone that says they see a unicorn in a cloud formation. You might nod your head and think, 'yeah, I can see how that may appear that way'. Rather, you might 'argue' with things that have some philosophical foundation for example, and only then if someone wasn't personally invested in their ideas. If someone says 'that is God', who am I to 'argue'. Just doesn't work that way. Like ramen and his Dewey Larson / mainstream science dichotomy - you just know there is nothing there with which to debate (also rather non sequitur to this topic). But there is a 'vacuum of expectation created and maintained' for an argumentative reaction, for some reason.

hopes schmopes, this that, unicorn cloud formation etc etc.

i asked you this :

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#29

so, in short, you are ACCEPTING that, harvest will happen in year 2011 then ?

[Raman]

no reasoning at all, still, yet you are continually dubbing an approach/relation someone else established with reasoning and references, as 'imaginary'.

where is the reasoning.

But basically, I do not read anything with which to 'argue'. I see the usual gut feelings, intuitions, convenient correlations, and other vagaries of the imagination. This is mingled in with personal hopes, etc. It's like poetry. You don't 'argue' with poetry - you 'resonate' with it. You don't argue with someone that says they see a unicorn in a cloud formation. You might nod your head and think, 'yeah, I can see how that may appear that way'. Rather, you might 'argue' with things that have some philosophical foundation for example, and only then if someone wasn't personally invested in their ideas. If someone says 'that is God', who am I to 'argue'. Just doesn't work that way. Like ramen and his Dewey Larson / mainstream science dichotomy - you just know there is nothing there with which to debate (also rather non sequitur to this topic). But there is a 'vacuum of expectation created and maintained' for an argumentative reaction, for some reason.

What the....? It seems to me you have not read Larson, "mainstream science dichotomy'?? Are you serious? Do you think people in here are stupid? but anyway it seems to me that you do not want to participate in discussions ....either because that is your agenda or because maybe you think you are too good for us. Well, if you only think that what is discussed here are unicorns in clouds why do you post if you think you are so good that only sarcasm is the response?

Your posts (seem to me) are devoid of essential energy --that green ray--that blue ray that is so refreshing at times...go with your mainstream media yellowish/orange ray..oh wait maybe that is another unicorn up there eh big boy!??...

Wait lets talk about what kinda motorcycle you ride eh? Wow you ride a big motorcycle eh big boy?

C'mon man.

[unity100]

he has a problem, accepting that harvest will happen in year 2011.

[zenmaster]

But basically, I do not read anything with which to 'argue'. I see the usual gut feelings, intuitions, convenient correlations, and other vagaries of the imagination. This is mingled in with personal hopes, etc. It's like poetry. You don't 'argue' with poetry - you 'resonate' with it. You don't argue with someone that says they see a unicorn in a cloud formation. You might nod your head and think, 'yeah, I can see how that may appear that way'. Rather, you might 'argue' with things that have some philosophical foundation for example, and only then if someone wasn't personally invested in their ideas. If someone says 'that is God', who am I to 'argue'. Just doesn't work that way. Like ramen and his Dewey Larson / mainstream science dichotomy - you just know there is nothing there with which to debate (also rather non sequitur to this topic). But there is a 'vacuum of expectation created and maintained' for an argumentative reaction, for some reason.

hopes schmopes, this that, unicorn cloud formation etc etc.

i asked you this :

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#29

so, in short, you are ACCEPTING that, harvest will happen in year 2011 then ?

I accept it as answered, that would be an approximate time. And the 4D localized time/space fully activated. I've probably said as much numerous times over the years on here.

[Raman]

I think the following exchange could be very useful for this discussion --

62.29 Questioner: Yes.

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.

Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?

That is indeed a very important quote. That is more or less what i was trying to say in a previous post but I messed up in that I forgot to include red/orange as activated as well.....so....... yellow no more...

[zenmaster]

Again, there is nothing wrong with hunting for 'signposts of 4D' in the world-danger map. Calleman is a potential leader (he is a self-proclaimed prophet) as he is thoroughly invested in the mystical/hyper-intuitive tradition. I may be wrong, but I believe he predicted we'd not be using currency by now (due to the influx of energy from the center of the galaxy). That's a nice thought, and a logical one given the presumed changes due to higher vibrational thought. I can even resonate with it. He's probably even read the Ra Material, and of course Terence McKenna.

It's perfectly natural to want to create certainty and continuity by correlating things. And anyone can make a correlation that we can resonate with, due to our apophenic natures combined with our desire to 'fill in the blanks' to our personal satisfactions. The intuition is the place we normally start, followed by some induction and deduction. Usually the value comes after some amount of work.

[unity100]

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#29

so, in short, you are ACCEPTING that, harvest will happen in year 2011 then ?

I accept it as answered, that would be an approximate time. And the 4D localized time/space fully activated. I've probably said as much numerous times over the years on here.

so in short, your standing is :

you are accepting that harvest will happen in 2011, or its immediate vicinity.

you are accepting that harvest will not spread over time.

which brings us to the below conclusion :

your problem is with its linkage with mayan calendar.

that wasnt too hard to say, isnt it ? instead of talking about 'finding curious', 'hopes' etc, you could have just told that.

now, we are yet to see your reasoning, for lack of such a link in between mayan calendar, which tracks cycles of the sun, and Ra material, which says the approach of green density is like tickings of a clock, and harvest will happen at 2011.

mayan calendar doesnt belong to calleman or anyone else. and mayan calendar's all cycles end at 18 oct 2011.

[Raman]

The problem is that you logic and basis for building thoughts are based in a cultural/economic/scientific tradition that is both narcissistic and based on profit and that is precisely what is building a bias to 3d entities to go down to orange. Even you include what you are blaming others of doing

He's probably even read the Ra Material, and of course Terence McKenna.

well...maybe not. I remember Ian Lungold (now deceased) giving presentations in 2003 or so? and that was based on Calleman's work exclusively and I would not say that Ra material had any foundations on those presentations.

It's perfectly natural to want to create certainty and continuity by correlating things. And anyone can make a correlation that we can resonate with, due to our apophenic natures combined with our desire to 'fill in the blanks' to our personal satisfactions. The intuition is the place we normally start, followed by some induction and deduction. Usually the value comes after some amount of work.

You see here is the same problem...we are not on that narrative anymore...are you psychology teacher that needs this damned narrative going? Are you considering the Ra material at all re: increase influx of energies, rays, dual-activation...and gee gosh forbids magical --time-space? Just a few...Is like an onion...you are just using the outer layer...one is able to dig deeper with the Ra material...But ok man, just follow your path I guess.

[Ens Entium]

The dates of Calleman's and Ra's are the same 2011. There is congruency, we can do "tabular" work here. The main point i think is: at some point in that space/time time/ space junction that will happen on a certain date, Harvest will occur. I just don't see how it is possible that a planet can be fully activated green and Harvest not to occur. It seems harvest must be before full activation (note the word "full", which implies potentiation of anything other than green in this case). ..even if there is "no big" event....

This is where there's a mismatch. I agree that after the end of this great cycle, which would come at the latest 2013, there will only be 4d light available in our local space/time; the 3d light having waned completely. Which, as you've faithfully mentioned is well tracked by the calendar. With our local time/space having become 4d in '98. I don't see how this necessarily means that the 4d planetary sphere will be in full activation. Again, i thought that full activation of the 4d planetary sphere would come after the transition period.

Is there any specific info, in calleman or elsewhere, that mentions that upticks in energy (increasing 4d light) automatically brings the 4d sphere into full activation? Would appreciate it thanks.

I agree that harvest must come before 4d full activation, i'm just not sure about the immediately after aspect.

Sorry for being tangential to the topic.

[LsavedSmeD]

Brothers and sisters, be kind there is no need for harsh words.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged."

[Confused]

Brothers and sisters, be kind there is no need for harsh words.

Amen. I agree

[zenmaster]

now, we are yet to see your reasoning, for lack of such a link in between mayan calendar, which tracks cycles of the sun, and Ra material, which says the approach of green density is like tickings of a clock, and harvest will happen at 2011.

mayan calendar doesnt belong to calleman or anyone else. and mayan calendar's all cycles end at 18 oct 2011.

If you've looked into the subject, you'd see that Calleman stands quite alone in his scholarly interpretation, as a 'Mayanist', of the calendar - as he is alone in his social, political, and economic predictions. That his, his interpretations are criticized and rejected by his colleagues. Now this does not mean he is 'wrong', as you might interpret. However, in other words, Calleman's (impressionable) ideas are not magically equivalent to the Mayan calendar, by mere association or, for that matter, some desire to link the date of October 2011 with the approximate date from Don in the Ra Material. And really, that's all we have to begin to work with here, a willingness and desire to link things using his framework (as he himself has done prolifically and with poor track record) and a vague notion of what harvest means. Not quite hopeless, but then this is an entirely subjective exercise which naturally falls out of the bounds of justification.

My interpretation of 'Harvest', for what its worth, is that it is indeed a space/time (localized) condition that allows for the direction of density-based incarnational needs (which body is activated, where is the learning opportunity) after death. As we can die at any time (by random events), "There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity". So I agree that it's a discrete event, after death. The 100-700 year transitional period I posit is simply due to an unknown human lifespan, combined with the influences of 3rd and 4th density creative thought.

[3DMonkey]

9.3 Questioner: The way that I understand the process of evolution is that our planetary population has a certain amount of time to progress. This is generally divided into three 25,000-year cycles. At the end of 75,000 years the planet progresses itself. What caused this situation to come about with the preciseness of the years in each cycle?

Ra: I am Ra. Visualize, if you will, the particular energy which, outward flowing and inward coagulating, formed the tiny realm of the creation governed by your Council of Saturn. Continue seeing the rhythm of this process. The living flow creates a rhythm which is as inevitable as one of your timepieces. Each of your planetary entities began the first cycle when the energy nexus was able in that environment to support such mind/body experiences. Thus, each of your planetary entities is on a different cyclical schedule as you might call it. The timing of these cycles is a measurement equal to a portion of intelligent energy.

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

This is a simile. A simile is a figure of speech that indirectly compares two different things by employing the words "like", "as", or "than". Similes indirectly compare the two ideas and allow them to remain distinct in spite of their similarities. A figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid.

Even though intelligent energy has a living rhythm, it is not a given that a measurement of a second of time is to be a literal equivalent of the timing of a gateway opening. It is a comparison to demonstrate precise rhythm, and not to explain that a gateway will be closed on one day and open on the next day as we measure time.

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I honestly would like to explore these questions.

You are indeed correct. Let me be more clear. This date is of the galactic scheduled events which is unaffected by human social complex.

How can we tell the difference?

What about 20/11/2011 20:11 UT? Or 11/11/1911 11:11 UT?

I'm not trying to be contrary. What general area are we looking for an event? Geological? Political? Personal? Astronomical?

What hypothetical events would be categorized "harvest" and which hypothetical events would be categorized "common"?

[Raman]

What hypothetical events would be categorized "harvest" and which hypothetical events would be categorized "common"?

hehe i maybe an increase in this should be common?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6CnM7859xU

[3DMonkey]

Lol. Okay. Now do "harvest"

[Confused]

Some LOO quotes that may provide evidence for the non-gradual school --

14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?

Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

43.25 Questioner: On this planet after the harvest is complete, will fourth-density beings be incarnate on the surface as we know it now?

Ra: I am Ra. The probability/possibility vortices indicate this to be most likely.

I may be interpreting it wrong, thought. Yet, it may provide some added material for discussion.

[3DMonkey]

Aren't fourth density beings incarnate on the surface as we know it now, today?

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And if it's as we know it now, does this not mean that the green ray sphere is not necessarily activated after harvest? That is to say that green ray activation and harvest are not simultaneous.

[Confused]

Aren't fourth density beings incarnate on the surface as we know it now, today?

When I read the question from Don on that quote with scrutiny, it is sort of clear that Harvest is a space/time phenomenon too, as opposed to purely t/s (or gradualist approach, in my opinion).

He asks 'after harvest' & 'on the surface as we know'. And the latter implies s/t for me, though I could be wrong.

[3DMonkey]

I'm not following. "?"

the basis of the question is "will 4D incarnate on this surface." the answer is "yes, we can't see the exact future, but it is likely"

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I think the Q could have been "are 4D beings incarnate today" and the answer would be "yes"

[Confused]

I think the Q could have been "are 4D beings incarnate today" and the answer would be "yes"

But the Harvest is not yet complete, whereas Don makes that a prerequisite to his actual question.

[3DMonkey]

If they are incarnate now, though, it makes the answer to his question a "no brainer".

I imagine Ra saying "duh"

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They put it more politely

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Does "duh" translate, Confused?

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"elementary my dear Watson"

[kia]

time is speeding up so much...days feel way much shorter than this past winter even though with more light hours (calleman talks about that)

[3DMonkey]

time is speeding up so much...days feel way much shorter than this past winter even though with more light hours (calleman talks about that)

If true, what does it mean?

[kia]

time is speeding up so much...days feel way much shorter than this past winter even though with more light hours (calleman talks about that)

If true, what does it mean?

Well, I can only guess is part of this 9th wave. The time speed it´s explained in here http://www.calleman.com/content/ninthwaveintro.pdf

[Confused]

Well, I can only guess is part of this 9th wave. The time speed it´s explained in here http://www.calleman.com/content/ninthwaveintro.pdf

Hmmm....it can be interpreted as more and more evolutionary impetus/catalysts being packed densely into each and every moment as we come upon the period of the Harvest. Isn't it?

[kia]

Well, I can only guess is part of this 9th wave. The time speed it´s explained in here http://www.calleman.com/content/ninthwaveintro.pdf

Hmmm....it can be interpreted as more and more evolutionary impetus/catalysts being packed densely into each and every moment as we come upon the period of the Harvest. Isn't it?

Yes, I think I can be interpreted like that, only that the catalyst since the 9th wave has started have been also in the form of "unity catalyst" (mass of people involved), right?

[Confused]

Yes, I think I can be interpreted like that, only that the catalyst since the 9th wave has started have been also in the form of "unity catalyst" (mass of people involved), right?

kia, I have been thinking about this for quite some time. The catalyst for unity is not usually one of joy on our earth, but one of pain. We need to get out of that habit, I think.

One human does not understand some other individual's position of pain, unless the same pain has been undergone. Why cannot we just show empathy/sympathy without being prodded to do so by painful catalysts?

It could save the planet much stress, isn't it?

[kia]

Yes, I think I can be interpreted like that, only that the catalyst since the 9th wave has started have been also in the form of "unity catalyst" (mass of people involved), right?

kia, I have been thinking about this for quite some time. The catalyst for unity is not usually one of joy on our earth, but one of pain. We need to get out of that habit, I think.

One human does not understand some other individual's position of pain, unless the same pain has been undergone. Why cannot we just show empathy/sympathy without being prodded to do so by painful catalysts?

It could save the planet much stress, isn't it?

I know exactly what you mean. To me is difficult to accept this as part of the "plan" or "harvest"...