05-05-2011, 04:24 PM
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05-05-2011, 05:28 PM
This is the closest I could find to your suggestion. It's not really what you meant though.
Ra: I am Ra. The term efficiency has misleading connotations. In the context of doing work in the disciplines of the personality, in order to be of more full efficiency in the central acceptance of the self, it is first quite necessary to know the distortions of the self which the entity is accepting. Each thought and action needs must then be scrutinized for the precise foundation of the distortions of any reactions. This process shall lead to the more central task of acceptance. However, the architrave must be in place before the structure is builded.
05-05-2011, 05:56 PM
05-05-2011, 07:43 PM
(05-05-2011, 08:53 AM)drifting pages Wrote: Separation and all the emotions that come with it are at their base driven by fear.I'm not too sure about that. We can consciously repress something in order to separate ourselves from it. Is this the unconscious reaction we know as fear? Doubtful that it's correct to say fear-based separation, in that context, if only because the will is invoked in a conscious manner. Although from a 3rd density perspective, it's easy to point a finger at fear as a driving factor.
05-05-2011, 10:10 PM
Quote:50.6 Questioner: Could you give an example of negative polarization sharing love of self? It would seem to me that that would deplete negative polarization. Could you expand on the concept? These other-selves are conceived to be in need of the guidance and the wisdom of the self. (05-05-2011, 05:56 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-05-2011, 05:28 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: This is the closest I could find to your suggestion. It's not really what you meant though. Are you thinking of Ra's suggestion to see the self as Creator?
05-05-2011, 10:29 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2011, 10:45 PM by drifting pages.)
Ra stated that if you don't love yourself you can't love others.
STO is not neglecting the self in favor of others it is integrating the self in harmony with others in shared love. That is how i see it. What is the base of the Negative polarity other that there is only the perceived self (don't ask me what the perceived self is like in 5th and 6th density i have no idea) The love go only inwards the negative entity is not able to be fully whole. Lack of full love is fear what else is it ? Fear that you can't be as you will embracing the separation and integrating it. Not embracing the infinite reflections as also the "greater you" Always controlling not trusting your own nature and harmony in the varies spheres of consciousness, always resisting the flow of love that easily harmonizes everything. That is why the entropy keeps getting worse and worse the more aware you are.(as negative) Obviously a late 5 th density experiences that fear quite differently then we do. But so does the positive 5th density experience love in different ways then we do. Edit: so hmm, All is well this is the thought i use as guide for my life experience .
05-05-2011, 11:09 PM
(05-05-2011, 11:09 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:Can't find Monica's or dp's quotes, or anything close to it. There is some info on accepting the self, however.(05-05-2011, 10:29 PM)drifting pages Wrote: Ra stated that if you don't love yourself you can't love others. (05-05-2011, 10:29 PM)drifting pages Wrote: Lack of full love is fear what else is it ?Ignorance, confusion, being unconscious, lack of acceptance? While it's certainly true that fear is a separating influence (from love), it is simply incorrect to say that it is the only separating influence. We can control in order to separate, and that control can be due to fear. But it can also be due to inspiration and conviction.
05-05-2011, 11:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2011, 11:47 PM by drifting pages.)
The inspiration and conviction is based on what ?
I control and resist my full self because i do not trust it fully what else is there ? Of course this based in confusion but isn't the not knowing that causes the fear direction ? I fear to become one with everything i must survive i can't have what i want any other way. -------------------------------- Maybe i am wrong but this is what i understand right now. We are all illusions in a way, both self and other then self. How consciousness plays it all out shows the "chosen polarity".
05-05-2011, 11:54 PM
Quote:42.6 Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for third-density of this concept. Many entities here feel great compassion for relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, with food if there is hunger as there is now in the African nations, by bringing them medicine if they feel that there is a need to minister to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent. These two quotes indicate how much wisdom is beyond our grasp. When we dig deeper into what wisdom is, we find that it has more to do with formation than it has to do with intelligence. This is why fifth density has the ability to exist solely in thought and the ability to manifest any form. Quote:51.10 Questioner: Immediately after the death of the physical body you have stated that the primary activated body is the indigo, and you stated that it is the form-maker. Why is this so? Quote:78.11 Questioner: Could you elaborate please on the nature and quality of the matrix and the potentiator? Quote:85.16 Questioner: I have a question here from (name). It states: “As we see compassion developing in ourselves is it more appropriate to balance this compassion with wisdom or to allow the compassion to develop as much as possible without being balanced”?
05-06-2011, 12:01 AM
Ok..let me try it from this angle.
Ra has said that there are very few whose energy centers radiate evenly at their fullest potential. Most of us are imperfect, and we must accept these imperfections and balance them accordingly. The wisdom density allows one to view these imperfections and be honest with them. The truth is, no matter how much we would love to be able to radiate and serve in the highest of all actions at all times, we cannot take on the whole world ourselves. Certain actions will cause us to throw ourselves off-balance, or drain our well-being. We are each unique in our own ways and have traits that allow us to be more effective in our service than others. We are meant to be unique and have our downfalls. As we harmonize our imperfections within our social memory complex, we move more towards a state of perfect unity. We all have our capabilities, and limits. Embracing these limits and loving the self, being able to recognize that ideally you would like to serve as best as possible but you can't in all circumstances, is being honest with the self. This is the heart of wisdom.
05-06-2011, 01:02 AM
(05-06-2011, 12:01 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-05-2011, 10:10 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Are you thinking of Ra's suggestion to see the self as Creator? Monica, is the following the quote you are looking for -- Quote:5.2 Questioner: We have decided to accept, if offered, the honor/duty of learning/teaching the healing process. I would ask as to the first step which we should accomplish in becoming effective healers.
05-06-2011, 01:02 AM
(05-06-2011, 12:47 AM)Icaro Wrote: We all have our capabilities, and limits. Embracing these limits and loving the self, being able to recognize that ideally you would like to serve as best as possible but you can't in all circumstances, is being honest with the self.But coming to know about the self is not wisdom, and neither is the next step, acceptance of self (with one's capabilities and limits). So where does wisdom really apply? I mean, if you can not embrace your limits, that is lack of acceptance, not lack of wisdom.
05-06-2011, 01:16 AM
(05-06-2011, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: But coming to know about the self is not wisdom, and neither is the next step, acceptance of self (with one's capabilities and limits). So where does wisdom really apply? I mean, if you can not embrace your limits, that is lack of acceptance, not lack of wisdom. Yes, but where does the knowledge in how to fully embrace your limits or truly know the self really come from? When is it learned and integrated? Different levels and lessons of acceptance aren't limited to any particular energy center/density. It is a continual process of evolution and understanding. Quote:The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. How about you give some answers (05-06-2011, 01:16 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: No. It was a very short quote, regarding requirements for harvest. It's possible it was Q'uo but I'm 99% certain it was Ra. I remember something similar also, but I can't recall if it is Q'uo or Ra. Haven't read much of Q'uo at all actually.
05-06-2011, 01:48 AM
This isn't it either, but it's relevant to the discussion:
Quote:75.14 Questioner: The instrument would like to know why twice during the “Benedictus” portion of the music she sang in a group concert that she experienced what she believes to be a psychic attack?
05-06-2011, 02:18 AM
Martyrdom as the work of love without wisdom.
I don't think this means death for a cause is lacking in personal applied insight or accrued knowledge. I think this means work of love that forgoes the manifestations of the knowledge of the Creator to form energy in the physical form. Most of us tend to think of wisdom as knowledge and insight acquired from experience over time. I believe Ra uses "wisdom" as the knowledge of the Creator to manifest energy into applicable form. In other words, not overall learned knowledge of a particular entity, but the overall acquired knowledge of physical creation. (Who here thinks themselves more wise than a high fourth density/about to graduate to fifth density Jehoshua? Lol. ) (05-05-2011, 11:54 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes. What Ra is saying is that in wisdom, an entity is able to recognize its limits and that its efforts without the intended results are good enough. It doesn't neglect itself. A loving 4d entity would exhaust itself endlessly in trying to achieve success, or feel failure at the result of an unsuccessful outcome. (05-06-2011, 02:18 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Most of us tend to think of wisdom as knowledge and insight acquired from experience over time. I consider myself pretty darn wise I've provided a pretty solid argument in defining aspects of wisdom..I stand by it! I'll continue to refine it.
05-06-2011, 03:12 AM
Quote:What Ra is saying is that in wisdom, an entity is able to recognize its limits and that its efforts without results are good enough. It doesn't neglect itself. A loving 4d entity would exhaust itself endlessly in trying to achieve success, or feel failure at the result of an unsuccessful outcome. "unsuccessful outcome" "success" : These are "expected results". If I walk away from a situation because I did not receive my expected result, it is not a wisdom imbued response. LOL. Neither one of us is wise at all if we expect our arguments will result in a self suitable way.
05-06-2011, 03:37 AM
I left the word intended out which I edited in. An entity can only try now, right? A balanced entity has no attachment to the outcome. It is satisfied with the act of service, not simply the end result. That doesn't mean it won't keep trying if necessary, but a wise entity knows its limits.
I found a Q'uo session directly addressing this topic, the nature of loving the self and its importance. I could quote much of it, so just go to the session and read all of it.
Transcript from July 5, 1992 Quote:Group question: The question today has to do with the concept of nurturing self-love. How do people who are naturally oriented towards being of service to others, and perhaps even serving beyond the ability to fully care for the self, take the time and energy and effort to nurture themselves? What is a way in which people can look at the nurturing of the self as a natural part of service to others? What kind of suggestions can you make as to how we can become aware of our needs for nurturing, and fulfill those needs as we go about the process of serving others and learning and growing in our daily activities? Quote:Now, you may note that we moved from blue to violet. That is because that of which we are speaking, the time to work with the self, is the function and the only function of the indigo ray! This ray works completely within the self, and only upon the self. To find the discipline to spend time upon the self’s spiritual welfare is more of a challenge than finding the time to attend to another’s spiritual or bodily or emotional or mental welfare. We cannot stress enough the importance of this point. Think you that one of the highest of energies possible within the self, in terms of subtlety and strength, is somehow to take the very back seat, nay, even the trunk of the automobile of life? Please see and honor the instrument that you are, no matter what outward way you treat yourself, you love yourself, you give to yourself.
05-06-2011, 01:19 PM
I really should read Q'uo more often. I can see where we have been bumping heads. In all my reasonings above, I was solely concentrating on the use of the green Ray energy center. Period. In all my arguments, I was making the assumption that there were no orange Ray blockages. I still have much to learn about chakras within one entity.
So, with the understanding of my assumptions and focus and with my understanding of what "wisdom" really is, I stand by all that I have said. If, in all Icaro's arguments, you were alluding to the need to release orange Ray blockages that prevent receiving and allowing self to flourish, I conceed. Again, I overlooked this as a possible aspect. Here is some good stuff from your link. I hope Ankh reads it. (maybe I should paste it in her regression thread?). (Also, I still say that I can see how all these discussions/arguments correlate to raising the energy vibe of us all) Quote:It is to be suggested by us that when one sees the heart fully open, one then may do well to suggest to the self the beauty of giving and receiving of love. The reception of love, it has been noted this day, is often very difficult. When the orange-ray center is blocked by self-judgment, then the shining love of others is blocked from entering the heart. Loving gestures, thoughts and words may batter against the heart closed to itself in vain. Until the entity is willing to open the door to comfort by ceasing to judge the self as unworthy of comfort, no comfort can move into effective service. (( there's a good chance my throat chakra?, communication chakra?, is that blue? May be blocked)) (( please refrain from snide remarks under breath ))
05-06-2011, 02:12 PM
In the 3D, fear serves its primary purpose of preventing suicides when things go horribly wrong. A secondary purpose is as an opening to catalyst. If 3D entities aren't going to be nervous, anxious or scared, they won't get much benefit from catalysis and therefore won't accumulate such rich experiences that the One has grown used to from us.
Wisdom is the fifth level of consciousness in 3D entities, at least if we're lucky. If we don't gain wisdom over time, we really are just treading water. Do I describe myself as a wise one? Heck no, but I certainly am wiser now than I was at age 10, 20 or 30 and that wisdom was hard won. I didn't get it from a book or movie or TV, nor can I convey it through writing except maybe around one percent, tops. So IMHO, the blue density comes after the green entity has been exhaustively compassionate and finally notices clues. Ra described their cluelessness and how they kept trying to do better at serving the wretches of this planet. Thank goodness they happened upon Don, Carla and Jim. :exclamation:
05-06-2011, 02:59 PM
3DM - Sure, there have been elements of orange acceptance in my answers, but I have been speaking of integrating all energies in a unified fashion. I'm glad we are coming to some understandings.
As a person trying to unify love/wisdom, in 3d you exercise acceptance as much as possible while also being honest with those you are trying to serve. Because when you look at an other self, you truly see your self. To deny them honesty in favor of total acceptance is not the self being honest with the self you are interacting with. Now, other selves will test our patience, understanding, and emotional strength among many many other things. As a 3d being, we accept this and work with it in service as much as possible. When lines are crossed, the self is neglected, or a certain level of control is trying to be exercised over you, you don't allow it. In this way you love your self. We all have our limits and capabilities, and we allow ourselves to understand that we cannot be perfect and that you cannot reflect total acceptance in all situations.
05-06-2011, 03:26 PM
I always considered that if I'm not being honest, I'm really not offering service to others. If I'm not honest, I'm fearful of who I am AND fearful of an outcome unknown.
I don't believe I've experienced orange ray blockage. I've certainly experienced a green ray type service to self though. I'm aware of it. I guess I'm the only one that needs to realize that about myself .
Mhm..to not be honest is really a disservice, because you are withholding truths and hindering progress. As always, there is a balance..as you don't want to throw anything in someone's face, or communicate information that they didn't ask for.
Another way to look at self love is to place the viewpoint outside of the self. We all have unique identities that are to be embraced. If two people are having issues and a person is less accepting of my characteristics, limits, capabilities, and needs, whose problem is that really? They are the one with blockages, unable to express acceptance and understanding. Am I to just always forfeit myself? There is an equal amount of responsibility on the other self to accept me just as much as I am responsible to accept them. Thus, there is a delicate balance of love/wisdom. So from my reference in this example, as a balanced being I understand that they are in the process of learning and I give more of myself, bending my needs to help with their understanding while exercising acceptance. There is a limit though and you can literally feel when you realize you are compromising too much of yourself. You feel drained and you can feel the denial of self building. This typically happens when you aren't getting results, or it has compounded into being a situation that you don't want to be in. A good example of this is when people have expectations of us. We've all been there, especially with parents. As a loving person, you may just kind of go through the motions to please or be viewed in a positive light. All the while, you know you aren't being true to yourself. Over time you find yourself in a position that is a lie. You weren't being honest with others or yourself. At this point, a balanced being will step back and own and nurture the self. Being able to love your self and recognizing when to embrace your needs is completely necessary, and a requirement for those on the path to unity. That's why as a 6d being, if you have the opportunity to work with the personality behind the veil here in 3d, it is so valuable in measuring your ability to balance the love of self and other self. A being can be extremely compassionate willing to sacrifice its needs, which it is happy to do and is necessary in service, but it also knows when they have crossed over into an area of neglect. (05-06-2011, 02:12 PM)kycahi Wrote: So IMHO, the blue density comes after the green entity has been exhaustively compassionate and finally notices clues. Ra described their cluelessness and how they kept trying to do better at serving the wretches of this planet. Yes, there are compromising aspects to an overly compassionate person.
05-06-2011, 11:57 PM
Then again, you can also be completely honest while not accepting yourself. And that is not a disservice. Go figure.
05-07-2011, 12:28 AM
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