STS Lies

[3DMonkey]

Is it to assume that no other is aware of what I am aware of?

Why would you assume that no other is aware of what you're aware of?

By assuming this, one would be less likely to assume an other is "ready" to hear their thoughts. I would not necessarily condone this approach.

There is also a bit of willingness from the questioner to seek deeper insight into a vague answer, but the willingness is entirely subjective by their opinion of the answerer.

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Or is it simply to be ever in a position of answering direct questions and never insert one's view otherwise?

The well considered question always answers itself. Yet the question requires 'will'. Many want answers without having to ask the question. We can't answer (without infringement) what has not been asked because then, as Ra says, you'd be in a position to learn/teach for the student.

I stumble over this truth quite frequently.

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Be gentle with me if I missed someone already asking this question.

Are we certain that STO do not lie? or manipulate? or persuade?

[Monica]

So you're saying we're all sitting here on some high mountain, realizing STS entities lie, when STS entities don't realize this themselves? I don't accept that notion.

On the contrary. STO entities are often duped by STS' lies.

We only know that they do lie. We don't necessarily recognize it each time it happens, at the time it happens.

For one to polarize STS they would have to be very smart and cunning,

I don't think Ra ever mentioned intelligence and cunning as being prerequisites for polarizing STS, although they certainly are useful attributes to have.

and I am sure they would realize that opening to a higher STS entity would make them susceptible to lies.

Not necessarily. They might be so fixated on gaining knowledge about how to manipulate others, that they miss that little detail. A big ego can cloud judgment.

A good example of this is when a petty criminal starts working for the Mafia...they know what they're getting into, but do it anyway, because the power is so seductive.

Or maybe they have hubris and think they can outsmart the entity/boss. Most criminals in prison never thought they'd get caught.

In fact, the naivety you're applying to STS entities is much more of an attribute of STO entities, which is why Ra points out that STS entities lie to STO entities and dispense philosophy to STS entities.

I don't think naivete is an attribute of either STS or STO, but of how polarized the entity is. Whether STS or STO, they are naive until they develop wisdom, which is a 5th ray attribute.

Although, I would agree that STO's are likely to be more trusting, and STS more suspicious. But being naive doesn't necessarily mean being trusting. An STS entity might be naive in how thoroughly he's about to get screwed by the more powerful STS entity, or naive about his own ability to outsmart the more powerful STS entity.

Will SIMPLY begin to give the philosophy THEY ARE HERE TO GIVE. Not only does Ra say they don't find it necessary to lie (and if they don't find it necessary, why would they?), but they go on to tell us what they do INSTEAD of lie, which is, again, "simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give."

They are here to give the philosophy, which in my eyes is providing a service to other STS entities. You may continue to argue about this specific comment if you wish, but it is very plain to me what Ra is saying. They help STS entities become more STS, and that is providing a service in my eyes, which is where the heart of this topic is.

STS entities don't help other STS entities in order to serve them. They help them in order to control them and thus serve themselves. That is key.

For starters, this conversation speaks of this info as though it were some advanced information. But we don't know that. Ra said STS philosophies. How is an STS philosophy taught? Perhaps the surest way to teach such a philosophy might be to inflict pain, suffering, and fear upon an underling, so that they can be controlled and dominated. In this way, the student is taught.

Secondly, Ra was referring to STS entities disseminating info to other STS entities.

How does that apply to channeled info? which may be provided, and reach both STS and STO entities.

Ra said, "in this case" meaning when an STS entity is working with another STS entity.

There is a very important point being missed here: the nature of the STS philosophy itself.

We are discussing concepts which have no relevance to STS entities: service, honesty, trust. Info of an STS nature wouldn't have any of the above attributes; if it did, it wouldn't be STS.

Of course, a less polarized STS entity might still be mixed polarity. But remember, they must have a very high percentage to polarize STS. So I think we can safely assume that any discarnate STS entity of 4D or above, would be close to 100% STS.

Whereas, a 3D entity appearing STS, might still be mixed, and not even harvestable yet... might 'only' be 80% or so negative. Such an entity might occasionally slip up and offer an occasional bit of caring/service (which would then depolarize him further).

In you're eyes, I don't understand it. In my eyes, you are very specifically avoiding Ra information which tells a different story than you are trying to tell, which evades the very point of this topic as well as shows clear misunderstanding on your part. There has been honest communication among STS entities, technical information as well as philosophy. How could this technical information be lies? The Nazis channeled STS entities and got technical information which sent their technology decades ahead of any other country at the time...are rockets a lie? Ra says this very plainly. Is Ra lying? Maybe they're STS playing a trick on us.

Technical info isn't STS philosophy nor is it STO. Technical info is neutral. The philosophical package it's wrapped in is STS or STO.

Obviously STS lies, Ra says that specifically about their interaction with STO. That's not what is being discussed here, and that's the point you are clearly missing. Just because they must stop lying and manipulating STO doesn't mean anything about STS intercommunication.

Your point is logically sound. However, I think a bigger point applies here: If an STS entity serves another entity for the purpose of helping them, then they lose polarity. They gain polarity by controlling, dominating, inflicting fear, etc.

Therefore, I would say that the entire premise of an STS claiming to share info, for the purpose of serving others, falls apart.

Totally.

Therefore, I wouldn't trust any source claiming to be STS, or that I conclude is STS. Nor would I even bother trying to search for bits of accurate info amid all the chaos.

One of the ways an STS entity deceives an STO is by pretending to be benevolent. STO's want so much for that STS entity to be 'good' that they are willing to put aside their better judgment.

On Her Way to Work One Morning
Down the Path Along Side the Lake
A Tender Hearted Woman Saw a Poor Half Frozen Snake
His Pretty Colored Skin Had Been All Frosted With the Dew
"Poor Thing," She Cried, "I'll Take You in and I'll Take Care of You"
"Take Me in Oh Tender Woman
Take Me In, For Heaven's Sake
Take Me In, Tender Woman," Sighed the Snake

She Wrapped Him All Cozy in a Comforter of Silk
And Laid Him By Her Fireside With Some Honey and Some Milk
She Hurried Home From Work That Night and Soon As She Arrived
She Found That Pretty Snake She'd Taken to Had Been Revived

She Clutched Him to Her Bosom, "You're So Beautiful," She Cried
"But If I Hadn't Brought You in By Now You Might Have Died"
She Stroked His Pretty Skin Again and Kissed and Held Him Tight
Instead of Saying Thanks, the Snake Gave Her a Vicious Bite

"I Saved You," Cried the Woman
"And You've Bitten Me, But Why?
You Know Your Bite Is Poisonous and Now I'm Going to Die"
"Oh Shut Up, Silly Woman," Said the Reptile With a Grin
"You Knew Damn Well I Was a Snake Before You Took Me in

[3DMonkey]

and she graduated to fourth density positive and was grateful for the experience, thankful she loved him so

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as this is the density of choice, there is no battle to fight but the one within

[Wander-Man]

Why does an STS entity transmit truth to an STS channel? Where is the service to self within this act? Does a self-serving action innately carry dishonesty and manipulation?

62.17 Questioner: By creating as large a harvest as possible of negatively oriented entities from Earth, then, the social memory complex of the Orion group gains in strength. Am I correct in assuming that this strength then is in the total strength of the complex, the pecking order remaining approximately the same, and those at the top gaining in strength with respect to the total strength of the social memory complex? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. To the stronger go the greater shares of polarity.

I think STSers give truth to STS channels - information on how to polarize STS, with the goal of increasing negative harvest, making the group/individual stronger.

36.17 Questioner: Then what is the mechanism that this unusual sixth-density entity would wish to gain to polarize more negatively through Wandering?

Ra: I am Ra. The Wanderer has the potential of greatly accelerating the density whence it comes in its progress in evolution. This is due to the intensive life experiences and opportunities of the third-density. Thusly the positively oriented Wanderer chooses to hazard the danger of the forgetting in order to be of service to others by radiating love of others. If the forgetting is penetrated the amount of catalyst in third-density will polarize the Wanderer with much greater efficiency than shall be expected in the higher and more harmonious densities.

Similarly, the negatively oriented Wanderer dares to hazard the forgetting in order that it might accelerate its progress in evolution in its own density by serving itself in third-density by offering to other-selves the opportunity to hear the information having to do with negative polarization.

A negative wanderer takes it to the next level and teaches STS directly. They're probably much better at teaching STS than a 3D peon getting channeled info.

36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?

Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.

I wonder what historical figures were STS wanderers?

[Confused]

36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?

Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.

I wonder what historical figures were STS wanderers?

May be some 'important' folks across the past and present of the world, whom we hold in extreme high regard. And whose identity as 6D STS wanderers would shock us.

[3DMonkey]

36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?

Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.

I wonder what historical figures were STS wanderers?

May be some 'important' folks across the past and present of the world, whom we hold in extreme high regard. And whose identity as 6D STS wanderers would shock us.

Very possible. Thus it would be "harmful" because it could be a difficult pill to swallow. Moreover, it would taint our ability to view all as One- a Ra quote to indicate that viewing all entities as part of Creator, regardless of choice, is paramount.

[Confused]

Moreover, it would taint our ability to view all as One- a Ra quote to indicate that viewing all entities as part of Creator, regardless of choice, is paramount.

You speak the truth there in my opinion, 3.

And truth cannot be argued against! Thanks for sharing your thought on my words, brother.

[blargg]

What makes something a lie? I don't quite understand this, there are only relativities. I understand the nature of lying is in "lack of similarity" between two perspectives when one entity is conscious of this lack and the other is not, however can the truth not be equally enslaving to some souls? A very confusing point...

Well put. I think they will tell the truth if it gets another self to 'play the game' of competition. That will help them polarize more. The more entities in the pyramid, the more powerful those at the top of the pyramid become.

They don't want a planet full of STO Buddhist Monks. They can't do much work with that. And that's why they won't incarnate physically here anymore when that time comes. They want a planet full of greedy/fearful suits to fill the bottom of the pyramid up. Always trying to move up, always looking for that next house or promotion, shoving each other out of the way or stepping on each other when needed.

[Raman]

Talking about Buddhist monks... i was watching an episode of Kung Fu called "The Tong"...it blew me away..is very much what you guys are talking about but there is a character, a purely negative entity that faces our hero.. it has to do with how the negative entity's job is to enslave...this character appears later on, the one in black with the long beard...very incredible episode.. I give a link on youtube it has few parts....on you tube unfortunately 10 min each...

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k6gX0cTg...re=related

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WfjoFHgf...re=related

part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hblV0XXTY...re=related

part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r7akFlMO...re=related

part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSY-woA6Y...re=related

[pphuck]

STS entities don't help other STS entities in order to serve them. They help them in order to control them and thus serve themselves. That is key.

I feel I have to point one thing out here. As an STS entity you wouldn't necessarily have to help or teach in order to control, you could just as well do it to advance your own understanding and purely for the STS aspect of it.

Teaching is the best way to learn, whether it's STS, STO or just neutral.

And the main reason I want to point this out is that not all STS entities are interested in the hassle of controlling a pyramid of underlings. Given that you know that you have more or less an eternity to progress in your STS path, there are other ways to advance (albeit slower and more tedious in other ways.)

An STS entity of this sort would be less inclined to lie and manipulate in general, but would still for sure not hesitate to do it if there's a "good" reason.

Maybe I just contradicted something that Ra has stated. If so, I'd be more than happy if someone pointed it out for me.

[seejay21]

The most believable lies are always woven nicely with things that are perceived to be truth. Hitler's speaches as he rose to power come to mind....

[kycahi]

I feel I have to point one thing out here. As an STS entity you wouldn't necessarily have to help or teach in order to control, you could just as well do it to advance your own understanding and purely for the STS aspect of it.

Teaching is the best way to learn, whether it's STS, STO or just neutral.

I agree.

And the main reason I want to point this out is that not all STS entities are interested in the hassle of controlling a pyramid of underlings. Given that you know that you have more or less an eternity to progress in your STS path, there are other ways to advance (albeit slower and more tedious in other ways.)

An STS entity of this sort would be less inclined to lie and manipulate in general, but would still for sure not hesitate to do it if there's a "good" reason.

Maybe I just contradicted something that Ra has stated. If so, I'd be more than happy if someone pointed it out for me.

I don't wish to contradict and certainly not argue, but I think that a STS entity would from start have the urge to lead/dominate others. The motivation might feel somewhat generous or neutral for awhile, and maybe not consciously to polarize self, but that would be the ultimate benefit as a move toward harvest.

True, the urge might be minimal for awhile if the entity is shy or wants to line up a lot of ducks first. Still the entity, after making the Choice, I think would want to feel progress.

Interesting.

[seejay21]

I feel I have to point one thing out here. As an STS entity you wouldn't necessarily have to help or teach in order to control, you could just as well do it to advance your own understanding and purely for the STS aspect of it.

Teaching is the best way to learn, whether it's STS, STO or just neutral.

I agree.

And the main reason I want to point this out is that not all STS entities are interested in the hassle of controlling a pyramid of underlings. Given that you know that you have more or less an eternity to progress in your STS path, there are other ways to advance (albeit slower and more tedious in other ways.)

An STS entity of this sort would be less inclined to lie and manipulate in general, but would still for sure not hesitate to do it if there's a "good" reason.

Maybe I just contradicted something that Ra has stated. If so, I'd be more than happy if someone pointed it out for me.

This is an interesting line of thought indeed.

Would a higher density STS being be inclined to keep an STO being from learning hard lessons derived by his own selfish acts because it would further (catapult) the STO being on his path in the learning process? This of course would be a long term self preservation issue instead of a selfish child looking for immediate gratification.

[blargg]

I feel I have to point one thing out here. As an STS entity you wouldn't necessarily have to help or teach in order to control, you could just as well do it to advance your own understanding and purely for the STS aspect of it.

Teaching is the best way to learn, whether it's STS, STO or just neutral.

I agree.

And the main reason I want to point this out is that not all STS entities are interested in the hassle of controlling a pyramid of underlings. Given that you know that you have more or less an eternity to progress in your STS path, there are other ways to advance (albeit slower and more tedious in other ways.)

An STS entity of this sort would be less inclined to lie and manipulate in general, but would still for sure not hesitate to do it if there's a "good" reason.

Maybe I just contradicted something that Ra has stated. If so, I'd be more than happy if someone pointed it out for me.

This is an interesting line of thought indeed.

Would a higher density STS being be inclined to keep an STO being from learning hard lessons derived by his own selfish acts because it would further (catapult) the STO being on his path in the learning process? This of course would be a long term self preservation issue instead of a selfish child looking for immediate gratification.

Interesting.. that would be removal of catalyst right? I've wondered about this before. STS generally provide catalyst in their environment by just doing their thing.

I've always wondered how keeping a being in a state of low catalyst can be serving creator. I suppose it is, in some way. It just seems paradoxical to me.

The same situation can happen on the STO side. Some beings will do all they can to serve you hand over foot and you really have to speak up if you want to do something for yourself. My mom is like this.. always very helpful and serving of others. I try to tell her part of serving is learning how to be served. Anyways I just have trouble seeing how keeping beings in a constant state of comfort/low catalyst helps them to grow or serves creator.

[seejay21]

Maybe it's "managed" catalyst? I'm going to push the logic further. If an sts entity withholds catalyst, then could it be said that an sto would create catalyst in the same way? The opposite would be true as well, the way we see more clearly, an sts creates selfish catalyst, an sto does the opposite.

I think the logic leads into that any certain act can have an sts or an sto motivation, even in extreme circumstances. So it's difficult to tell why someone does something.

Sometimes an action that appears to be sts may in fact turn out to be completely sto long term, and no one may even notice. Which is fine for that sto individual that did the action.

[3DMonkey]

I think the logic leads into that any certain act can have an sts or an sto motivation, even in extreme circumstances. So it's difficult to tell why someone does something.

The idea of withholding catalyst and the (im)possibilities of the idea would be a boggling discussion.

I agree entirely with your statement above. It is for the entity, from an internal reasoning, that the polarization derives. The resulting action seen by others can then be processed as their own catalyst in how they choose to polarize with that. Meaning, whatever the result, I can judge and combat, or I can accept and move on. So, why ever try to conclude the polarization of an other? Discern your surroundings and decide which next step you would like to take- this is all we really do.

[Confused]

Discern your surroundings and decide which next step you would like to take- this is all we really do.

It is really very simple and sound theory and practice. But the problem is that many of us tend to compare ourselves with others in multiple ways, thus leading to discontentment. At times, it is just pure old inferiority complex/envy issues, in my opinion. At least true in my case.

[3DMonkey]

Even when we are doing that, we are assessing and stepping. Personally, I envy the forest gumps of he world. I'm thankful that I'm able to see what I see, but sometimes I wish I could revert to a myopic viewpoint where I am the center of the universe. It seems that individuals that are closed in, in this way, move along well. On the other hand, I feel stagnant because I can see that the social ladder is poop.

[seejay21]

Please allow me to step it out further.

It could be said then, It is impossible to dicern someone elses actions as being sto or sts.

Being any action could equally be motivated by sts or sto (internal and external influences) that it would also be very difficult to gauge your own actions as sts or sto.

I think that it could then be said that the most damning lies are the ones an sts entity tells himself.

[pphuck]

I think that a STS entity would from start have the urge to lead/dominate others. The motivation might feel somewhat generous or neutral for awhile, and maybe not consciously to polarize self, but that would be the ultimate benefit as a move toward harvest.

True, the urge might be minimal for awhile if the entity is shy or wants to line up a lot of ducks first. Still the entity, after making the Choice, I think would want to feel progress.

You don't necessarily have to keep your own underlings around to fulfill your want and need of leading and dominating others. There are always groups of non-harvestable people around looking for a leader, at least here on planet earth where most people want someone to lead and decide for them.

You would need underlings to create the kind of mind complex that is, according to Ra, needed to progress "dimensionally." You could possibly just tag along with another mind complex for the ride, and then split out of it. Although, in the end, according to Ra, there's a merge of STS and STO which makes this kind of STS progress useless eventually.

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I think a bigger point applies here: If an STS entity serves another entity for the purpose of helping them, then they lose polarity. They gain polarity by controlling, dominating, inflicting fear, etc.

Therefore, I would say that the entire premise of an STS claiming to share info, for the purpose of serving others, falls apart.

Totally.

Therefore, I wouldn't trust any source claiming to be STS, or that I conclude is STS. Nor would I even bother trying to search for bits of accurate info amid all the chaos.

One of the ways an STS entity deceives an STO is by pretending to be benevolent. STO's want so much for that STS entity to be 'good' that they are willing to put aside their better judgment.

Since Ra itself states that it messed up once, and is back to fix what it messed up, I kind of have to wonder why you'd want to trust STO communication more than STS. At least, with STS communication, you can trust that it is all about Serving The Self.

There's plenty of chaos inside of STO communication as well -- and given the need for STS entities to stay in control, I would almost have to say that there is bound to be less chaos in STS communication then there is in STO communication.

Obviously, with STO communication, you can trust that there is an intention of doing "good" ... but that doesn't imply that the end result is.

[3DMonkey]

Yeah. None of us know our own polarized levels. We just do what we do. Work on what we intended before the veil to work on. We assess however we do and we walk wherever we go.

'Don't worry about it. We're all in this together.'

[zenmaster]

Yeah. None of us know our own polarized levels.

or all of us know them, whatever we want to believe works.

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And what's a 'lie', really? It carries the same vaguery and abiguity as 'love'. What's the diference between being dishonest and lying? What's the difference between being dishonest with oneself and being dishonest with another?

Does a stick insect 'lie', when it pretends to be part of a tree?

And people tend to be dishonest with themselves and others when faced with the identification of something new - someting beyond prior experience. Even though there is some amount of doubt present, people will habitually fill in their experiential blanks with their personal prejudice of desire instead of using honest accountability.

[3DMonkey]

Exactly why I say 'we do what we do'.


Is an illusion the lie? Is a lie the illusion? is the illusion false? Is it false to Say there Is an illusion? Now, that's confusing.

[Ankh]

Since Ra itself states that it messed up once, and is back to fix what it messed up, I kind of have to wonder why you'd want to trust STO communication more than STS. At least, with STS communication, you can trust that it is all about Serving The Self.

As the STO communication is all about Serving Others, ie you. Regarding Ra, from session 3:

We caution you to guard against those who are not wishing to serve others above all else from taking part in the beginning or in lending their distortions of mind/body/spirit complex to any session as we should then be unable to properly blend our distortions with those of this instrument.

I interpret the above statement as that Ra's distortion is to serve others above all else. I would personally trust that communication more than service to self communication. With that said you are still asked to use your judgement and discernment in order to pick what resonates and what not.

[pphuck]

I would personally trust that communication more than service to self communication.

But trust it in what sense? That STO communication has the intent to Serve Others? Sure. That it is actually doing so?

And why would you trust STS communication to be less Serving To Self then STO would be To Others?

Don't think you believe these things, just further clarifying my point.

(edit: Point being, I trust STS communication to be STS more than I trust STO to be STO.)

[Oceania]

after learning Ra messed up and that god is really blindly accepting new experiences as acceptable even if they suck, i dunno what to think. i know i believe in love justice and the american way but i have less confidence in the competence of us all to handle what may come. then again i always said god is either omnipotent or good.

[seejay21]

Exactly why I say 'we do what we do'.


Is an illusion the lie? Is a lie the illusion? is the illusion false? Is it false to Say there Is an illusion? Now, that's confusing.

The illusion and the veil. Its not the content that matters so much, its the result that matters. Its not our mission and there is no mandate to seek breaching the veil and discovering the illusion. The only lesson to be learned here is love. That lesson is not learned until the cycle is complete. Believe it or not, we all agreed to this before coming here. We all agreed to be "actors" in this "play" and we should be worried about learning our "lines" more than what the show's producers are planing for the next scene. Basically, be here now, and do what your heart tells you. Live the life that fullfils your desires, vigorously. Be the best actor you can be, and be true to your character role. Seeking to better yourself with the goal of being 4d sto harvestable is a fools journey. That simple goal may land you on the sts path quickly, and you won't even know it. Like I said before, the most damning lies are the ones an sts entity tells himself.

Some sto's will be learning in a way that may make them appear to be the biggest evil doers that ever walked the earth. It may be the role they agreed to, to feel shame when it comes to the end, and an opportunity to forgive and accept forgiveness. Who knows.

[3DMonkey]

The illusion and the veil. Its not the content that matters so much, its the result that matters. Its not our mission and there is no mandate to seek breaching the veil and discovering the illusion. The only lesson to be learned here is love. That lesson is not learned until the cycle is complete. Believe it or not, we all agreed to this before coming here. We all agreed to be "actors" in this "play" and we should be worried about learning our "lines" more than what the show's producers are planing for the next scene. Basically, be here now, and do what your heart tells you. Live the life that fullfils your desires, vigorously. Be the best actor you can be, and be true to your character role. Seeking to better yourself with the goal of being 4d sto harvestable is a fools journey. That simple goal may land you on the sts path quickly, and you won't even know it. Like I said before, the most damning lies are the ones an sts entity tells himself.

Some sto's will be learning in a way that may make them appear to be the biggest evil doers that ever walked the earth. It may be the role they agreed to, to feel shame when it comes to the end, and an opportunity to forgive and accept forgiveness. Who knows.

beautifully put. beautifully.

[Confused]

The illusion and the veil. Its not the content that matters so much, its the result that matters. Its not our mission and there is no mandate to seek breaching the veil and discovering the illusion. The only lesson to be learned here is love. That lesson is not learned until the cycle is complete. Believe it or not, we all agreed to this before coming here. We all agreed to be "actors" in this "play" and we should be worried about learning our "lines" more than what the show's producers are planing for the next scene. Basically, be here now, and do what your heart tells you. Live the life that fullfils your desires, vigorously. Be the best actor you can be, and be true to your character role. Seeking to better yourself with the goal of being 4d sto harvestable is a fools journey. That simple goal may land you on the sts path quickly, and you won't even know it. Like I said before, the most damning lies are the ones an sts entity tells himself.

Some sto's will be learning in a way that may make them appear to be the biggest evil doers that ever walked the earth. It may be the role they agreed to, to feel shame when it comes to the end, and an opportunity to forgive and accept forgiveness. Who knows.

Truly words of great import. Thanks for taking the time to write it out with patience and clarity

[zenmaster]

There seems to be conflict in these two statements:

Its not the content that matters so much, its the result that matters.

Basically, be here now, and do what your heart tells you.