Metaphysical democracy?

[Ocean]

harmony and respect.

[Confused]

The way of STS is that way that think it knows what is best for everyone it is an attempt to have order in seamless chaos.

The STO simply accepts all that is while choosing it's preferred way of being which allows all that is to reflect that back.

No need to conquer control or dictate at all. Because you are all things you know yourself trough your reflections.

So change yourself and if your vibration changed , like vibrations (reflections ) will do the same

Trust your heart/intuition coupled with your mind, know yourself as the creator that co-creates with itself.

Love integrates ALL experiences, ultimately you know yourself by not knowing yourself. This is the illusion that experiences.
In an endless mystery.

Too very good. Thanks.

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If you feel that you can do good by getting involved, then you should try it, but you will be walking into a hornets nest, because STO are not attracted to power, so you will mostly be surrounded by STS.

TD23 could prove to be someone like Abraham Lincoln or Eisenhower, for whom Ra had good words.

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I was just reading the LOO today, and I feel the following two exchanges could prove to be pertinent to the questions being raised and discussed here -

65.2 Questioner: I may be recovering a little ground already covered today, but I am trying to get a more clear picture of some things that I don’t understand and possibly develop a plan of my own for activity in the future.

I have the impression that in the near future the seeking will increase by many who now are incarnate in the physical on this planet. Their seeking will increase because they will become more aware of the creation as it is and as it is opposed, I might say, to the creation of man. Their orientation and their thinking will be, by catalyst of a unique nature, reoriented to thinking of more basic concepts, shall I say. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The generalities of expression can never be completely correct. However, we may note that when faced with a hole in the curtain, an entity’s eyes may well peer for the first time through the window beyond. This tendency is probable given the possibility/probability vortices active within your space/time and time/space continua at this nexus.

65.3 Questioner: I have assumed that the reason that so many Wanderers and those harvested third-density entities who have been transferred here find it a privilege and an exceptionally beneficial time to be incarnate upon this planet is that the effect that I just spoke of gives them the opportunity to be more fully of service because of the increased seeking. Is this, in general, correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the intention which Wanderers had prior to incarnation. There are many Wanderers whose dysfunction with regard to the planetary ways of your peoples have caused, to some extent, a condition of being caught up in a configuration of mind complex activity which, to the corresponding extent, may prohibit the intended service.

[unity100]

Love integrates ALL experiences, ultimately you know yourself by not knowing yourself. This is the illusion that experiences.
In an endless mystery.

according to the material we study, there is no such thing as 'love integrating experiences'.

green ray love is the polarity choice that enables the entity to do work, and opens up the door to empathy or lack of it, and starts the journey towards the higher rays - the springboard.

all entities need to mature past green ray to reach the blue ray, passing the threshold of being ready to actually learn and understand this creation.

even after that there are 2 more densities towards octave end, and then still endless octaves after that.

its not so much a mystery - the outlines of this octave of current creation, is set as described in Ra material

[Confused]

its not so much a mystery - the outlines of this octave of current creation, is set as described in Ra material

unity100, the statement of yours got me thinking.

Generally, people always enjoy 'who dun its'. It appears that often times we do not want to acknowledge the existence of spiritual basics that have been presented; but would instead take cover under the blanket of mystery in order to perpetuate denial and continue old patterns.

As Ra said, the universe may begin in mystery and end in mystery, but we sometimes want to cover revealed things in mystery, so that it does not force us to change.

Thanks for providing me a catalyst to think, unity100. As I always say, I could be very wrong.

[unity100]

Generally, people always enjoy 'who dun its'. It appears that often times we do not want to acknowledge the existence of spiritual basics that have been presented; but would instead take cover under the blanket of mystery in order to perpetuate denial and continue old patterns.

As Ra said, the universe may begin in mystery and end in mystery, but we sometimes want to cover revealed things in mystery, so that it does not force us to change.

even if each universe began in mystery and ended in mystery, all of those universes were still created for discovery of that mystery. and what has been discovered, learned, has been learned.

this octave was created in 7 densities, each reflecting a particular characteristic of creation. those characteristics of creation, are learned and applied in these densities. there isnt a mystery there.

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the problem is, the tendency to 'mystify' what is already known.

[Ocean]

i don't think mystifying is a problem. where's your sense of adventure?

[Confused]

Generally, people always enjoy 'who dun its'. It appears that often times we do not want to acknowledge the existence of spiritual basics that have been presented; but would instead take cover under the blanket of mystery in order to perpetuate denial and continue old patterns.

As Ra said, the universe may begin in mystery and end in mystery, but we sometimes want to cover revealed things in mystery, so that it does not force us to change.

even if each universe began in mystery and ended in mystery, all of those universes were still created for discovery of that mystery. and what has been discovered, learned, has been learned.

this octave was created in 7 densities, each reflecting a particular characteristic of creation. those characteristics of creation, are learned and applied in these densities. there isnt a mystery there.

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the problem is, the tendency to 'mystify' what is already known.

I agree very much.

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i don't think mystifying is a problem. where's your sense of adventure?

May be in the vast ocean!!!

No derailing, please, Ocean

[Ocean]

i wasn't.

[turtledude23]

TD23 could prove to be someone like Abraham Lincoln or Eisenhower, for whom Ra had good words.

Thank you!

[Confused]

TD23 could prove to be someone like Abraham Lincoln or Eisenhower, for whom Ra had good words.

Thank you!

I truly meant it from the depth of my heart, td23, rather than just rhetoric. And definitely not as light humor.

No one can estimate the potential (or seed of destiny) that you carry within, as is the case for every individual on this planet. I wish you the best in your efforts to serve humanity positively.

As you said, only your violet ray marker can present a true picture about you, and that is the work for the One Infinite Creator to do, rather than for a lesser mortal like me.

[turtledude23]

TD23 could prove to be someone like Abraham Lincoln or Eisenhower, for whom Ra had good words.

Thank you!

I truly meant it from the depth of my heart, td23, rather than just rhetoric. And definitely not as light humor.

No one can estimate the potential (or seed of destiny) that you carry within, as is the case for every individual on this planet. I wish you the best in your efforts to serve humanity positively.

As you said, only your violet ray marker can present a true picture about you, and that is the work for the One Infinite Creator to do, rather than for a lesser mortal like me.

Thank you again. I always felt I'd do something big for the world, what exactly - I was never sure, and I probably never will know what until it happens, I change my mind about things all the time. Whether I become a politician, journalist, or janitor my passions will always be there and I'll find a way to put them to use, even if its "just" through my intentions and immediate interactions, Spectrum's Ra quote kind of puts things into perspective.

[Confused]

Thank you again. I always felt I'd do something big for the world, what exactly - I was never sure, and I probably never will know what until it happens, I change my mind about things all the time. Whether I become a politician, journalist, or janitor my passions will always be there and I'll find a way to put them to use, even if its "just" through my intentions and immediate interactions, Spectrum's Ra quote kind of puts things into perspective.

65.19 Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third-density than for third/fourth-density.

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

[Ankh]

I always felt I'd do something big for the world, what exactly - I was never sure, and I probably never will know what until it happens, I change my mind about things all the time. Whether I become a politician, journalist, or janitor my passions will always be there and I'll find a way to put them to use, even if its "just" through my intentions and immediate interactions, Spectrum's Ra quote kind of puts things into perspective.

This got me thinking alongside with Confused Ra quote in the second page of this thread. Probably many of us, when we were young, saw injustice and wanted to change these. I had many planes during my young era of making a difference. First I thought that I would be a journalist and go to places where no one else would go and report injustice for the whole world to see. Then I thought I would become some kind of volunteer worker and service in "the third world". Then I thought I would become some kind of researcher at University and uncover injustices between genders. Well, nothing of that happened. Why? Because one becomes discouraged step by step, and that youthful fire gets slowly but surely extinguished. So my advice to you, brother, you hold on to this fire! Don't let anyone discourage you. Many “old folks” might feel weary by being exposed to your desire. And they might come to you saying – "oh, my dear friend, I've been there. It's no point to do this or that. The world will never change." What a BS! The world do change! Maybe not over a night, but Rome wasn't built over a night either. But if we look back we do see the change! There is no visible segregation between black and white people on the bus today, is there? The slavery has been abolished. Inquisition in Europe is gone. And torture is no longer seen in the world as a normal part of the society. What if MLK got discouraged? What if Gandhi did? Yes, you will get affected by people and society who will try to bring you down and get you discouraged. But don't give up, as many of us, old farts, did. The world needs you. Go turtledude, go! I cheer for you!

[Spectrum]

my passions will always be there and I'll find a way to put them to use, even if its "just" through my intentions and immediate interactions

Then I would say you're set to go! At least you have the benefit of having found the Ra material at such a young age. A big plus!

Because one becomes discouraged step by step, and that youthful fire gets slowly but surely extinguished.

Ankh, I could have written your post!

[Meerie]

Because one becomes discouraged step by step, and that youthful fire gets slowly but surely extinguished.

Ankh, I could have written your post!

I was wondering about that too, but I really think this is part of the density here on Gaia... the low dark vibrations that seek to put us down. Be it in the form of others saying "noo you will never make it" or whatever. It takes conscious effort to step out of that.

[Spectrum]

It takes conscious effort to step out of that.

You're right.

turtledude, here's some words from that remarkable man, Albert Schweitzer, to help you on your journey:

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Albert_Schweitzer/

"A great secret of success is to go through life as a man who never gets used up."

"A man does not have to be an angel in order to be a saint."

"Every patient carries her or his own doctor inside."

"Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the only thing."

"Grow into your ideals so that life cannot rob you of them."

"Happiness is nothing more than good health and a bad memory."

"Man is a clever animal who behaves like an imbecile."

"The spirit of the age is filled with the disdain for thinking."

"Therefore search and see if there is not some place where you may invest your humanity."

"You don't live in a world all alone. Your brothers are here too."

"You must give some time to your fellow men. Even if it's a little thing, do something for others - something for which you get no pay but the privilege of doing it."

[3DMonkey]

I was about to type my own version and Ankh stole my thunder. We are all thinking it.

Passion! The passion is strong in you young TurtleDude. It is by design that you feel it deeply and purely. This is your power. Use it. Use it wisely. Use it all up now as though it has an expiration date. Go after every dadgum dream you have. Get as many victories or bumps and bruises as you can. Eleven years is not a long time before you are thirty and Saturns homecoming. The truth is, we all wish we could have our "wisdom" of now travel back in time and mix with our passion back then. Use it wisely Turtle...Dude

[Confused]

I was about to type my own version and Ankh stole my thunder. We are all thinking it.

Passion! The passion is strong in you young TurtleDude. It is by design that you feel it deeply and purely. This is your power. Use it. Use it wisely. Use it all up now as though it has an expiration date. Go after every dadgum dream you have. Get as many victories or bumps and bruises as you can. Eleven years is not a long time before you are thirty and Saturns homecoming. The truth is, we all wish we could have our "wisdom" of now travel back in time and mix with our passion back then. Use it wisely Turtle...Dude

You know what, 3DM, I like this.

b4th is becoming more personal in terms of lending support to one another; rather than staidly staying at the level of 'the law is one' and 'all is well'. Yes, speaking at that level, all is well. But we are not yet consciously at that level of evolution and we are crafting things to a level of greater perfection.

Meanwhile, it is good to develop each other, as individuals. Yes, personalities matter at our level of existence, but the energies have to be channeled into positive culverts of loving service, aided amply by practical wisdom/light. In the end, along with the great impersonal spiritual truths, it is equally about our personal stories too, along with the whole panoply of emotions that we undergo as real individuals surrounded by real smells, sights, and instances.

[Spectrum]

The truth is, we all wish we could have our "wisdom" of now travel back in time and mix with our passion back then.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but 20/20 vision hardly permits any growth, as the Logos has learned, therefore, the veil was dropped. It's a good thing, they tell us

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it is equally about our personal stories too, along with the whole panoply of emotions that we undergo as real individuals surrounded by real smells, sights, and instances.

Well said, one can't make mud cakes in the rain without getting dirty and wet...

As drifting pages so suc'cinctly put it in another thread:

In the end this is a very personal journey, there is no other way.

All is well.

[Confused]

As drifting pages so suc'cinctly put it in another thread:

In the end this is a very personal journey, there is no other way.

All is well.

, I was greatly inspired by that post of DP. What I have attempted is a paraphrasing of that.

[Spectrum]

, I was greatly inspired by that post of DP. What I have attempted is a paraphrasing of that.

I'd say mission accomplished

[Confused]

I'd say mission accomplished

Ha, Spectrum. If only you had said, Mission: Impossible!!

I would have touted myself as Tom Cruise

You guys do not allow trumpeting of one's own horn, do you? :-/

Instead of that, now I must appear like George W. Bush for 'mission accomplished'

Oh well, he is a part of the ONE too. So no worries, I think.

[Ocean]

C is being silly!

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we old ones get tired, Monkey. but that's why we have Turtle.

[Confused]

C is being silly!

What else can be expected from C? Anyway, I do not want to be held responsible for derailing the thread.

So carry on your discussion, Ocean, and I will watch from the sidelines.

[Spectrum]

Instead of that, now I must appear like George W. Bush for 'mission accomplished'

Oh well, he is a part of the ONE too. So no worries, I think.

He-he, I remember I was just speechless when I saw him standing in front of that "mission accomplished" banner...I think I've blocked it out... It was of course "mission accomplished" for 'them'...

[Ocean]

C for coward. i will derail the thread myself! j/k

i'll be nice. *tries to think of something about democracy...*

uhh... i think Turtle might be one of those new politicians. there are those on here now who will make up the new government. not to blow up his ego. but he's young, he's awake. we need such youngsters in these times to go into politics. i feel so old at 30. act fast Turtle.

[turtledude23]

Thanks old people! I think I'll make a youtube video about the politician I don't like.

[3DMonkey]

Thanks old people! I think I'll make a youtube video about the politician I don't like.

We will watch in awe as this new world takes shape.

(I refer to the use of youtube, which is obviously the "new" world's shape and perfectly viable for you. The internet was a mystery to me in 1994. Awe I say)

[Ankh]

I was about to type my own version and Ankh stole my thunder. We are all thinking it.

Passion! The passion is strong in you young TurtleDude. It is by design that you feel it deeply and purely. This is your power. Use it. Use it wisely. Use it all up now as though it has an expiration date. Go after every dadgum dream you have. Get as many victories or bumps and bruises as you can. Eleven years is not a long time before you are thirty and Saturns homecoming. The truth is, we all wish we could have our "wisdom" of now travel back in time and mix with our passion back then. Use it wisely Turtle...Dude

You know what, 3DM, I like this.

b4th is becoming more personal in terms of lending support to one another; rather than staidly staying at the level of 'the law is one' and 'all is well'. Yes, speaking at that level, all is well. But we are not yet consciously at that level of evolution and we are crafting things to a level of greater perfection.

Meanwhile, it is good to develop each other, as individuals. Yes, personalities matter at our level of existence, but the energies have to be channeled into positive culverts of loving service, aided amply by practical wisdom/light. In the end, along with the great impersonal spiritual truths, it is equally about our personal stories too, along with the whole panoply of emotions that we undergo as real individuals surrounded by real smells, sights, and instances.

And you could extract those words of wisdom of yours from 3DM's post? I am impressed! Anyway, very well said, my brother!

[Confused]

And you could extract those words of wisdom of yours from 3DM's post?

Good things have to come from somewhere