Dead end

[3DMonkey]

Ra also said that in 4D negative, it's like a gravity well. It is extremely difficult for anyone in 4D- to maintain any positive polarity. It requires a great deal of persistence to even hold a positive polarity. So if one is on a 4D- planet, I don't think they have a choice. The gravity/pull of the planet keeps anyone from going positive.

I found the quote (From 70.23):

The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. Thus the entity, while remembering its learned and preferred polarity, must needs make use of the catalyst given and recapitulate the lessons of service to self in order to build up enough polarity in order to cause the potential to occur for reversal.

And from 70.24
Upon the other hand, the negative polarization is one which does not accept the concept of the free will of other-selves. Thusly in a social complex whose negativity approaches purity the pull upon other-selves is constant. A positively oriented entity in such a situation would desire for other-selves to have their free will and thusly would find itself removed from its ability to exercise its own free will, for the free will of negatively oriented entities is bent upon conquest.

But I mean in 4D there is no veil and still they progress on the path of separation, unless there is something Ra didn't tell.

Good question. I am stumped on that one.

Excellent.
I imagine the same "trap" is there for 4D+ entities, where the complex won't allow an entity to slip away from the collective as all negative interaction is vibrated to positive. The gravity well of negative complexes do the opposite. There is much less info from Ra on the life of 4D- vs +. It does intrigue me that fourth separates the path like a fork in the road. Also, how polarity is progress. I suppose it is advanced existence.

[native]

How about that? Never think of it like that... Do you remember that quote by Ra?

19.16 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates the momentum towards the chosen path of service to self?

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

[Ocean]

i wish there wasn't a trap. it sucks for the positive entity in 4D- if they're switched polarity mid-game.

[AnthroHeart]

Ra said that only one STO entity has ever been taken into negative time/space. So the experience of going into 4D- is quite rare if you're actively polarizing positive. Ra says the negative are clever, so it's possible to be led into the negative.

Here's the quote:
69.10 Questioner: Is it possible to tell me roughly how many Wanderers who have come to this planet during this master cycle have experienced this displacement into a negative time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. We can note the number of such occurrences. There has been only one. We cannot, due to the Law of Confusion, discuss the entity.

[Spectrum]

But I mean, after they switch to the polarity where they belonged, that is after they abandoned 4D-, why did they join Ra: s 4D+ instead of going home?

Good question. I would guess that their negative polarization that they gathered while 3D and 4D negative (even though they switched), was still such that they weren't at the level of positive polarization that they were on when they were early fifth density positive, so they ended up where they fit, 4th density positive. The fact that they were a little behind compared to Ra when they switched, and had to play catch-up might indicate a loss of positive polarity due to what has happened.

Again, I'm just guessing.

Just look at how easily polarization is affected, the Ra material is full of it. Look at the fifth density entity that were bugging Carla and them, and how it had to retreat when unsuccessfull, and go and concentrate on it's polarity. That's just one unsuccessful 'psychic greeting'.

Imagine a 3rd density STS graduation, and an extended period of 4th density STS, how 'that' affects polarity.

[Ocean]

so there was one negative wanderer? was that hitler?

[Ankh]

Just look at how easily polarization is affected, the Ra material is full of it. Look at the fifth density entity that were bugging Carla and them, and how it had to retreat when unsuccessfull, and go and concentrate on it's polarity. That's just one unsuccessful 'psychic greeting'.

Imagine a 3rd density STS graduation, and an extended period of 4th density STS, how 'that' affects polarity.

That's feel comfortable, doesn't it?

@ocean - law of confusion. We don't know.

[unity100]

so there was one negative wanderer? was that hitler?

@ocean - law of confusion. We don't know.

no we know - hitler was a negatively inclined entity, which didnt succeed in getting harvested/harvesting itself, and currently is in healing.

it is written in the people section in lawofone info Ra material info site.

[Ankh]

no we know - hitler was a negatively inclined entity, which didnt succeed in getting harvested/harvesting itself, and currently is in healing.

it is written in the people section in lawofone info Ra material info site.

And he was a Wanderer?

[Spectrum]

That's feel comfortable, doesn't it?

I'm not sure I follow you here. Do you mean it's actually scary to think how 'everything', 'every deed', 'every thought', 'every intention' increases or decreases polarity?

If that's what you mean, yeah, it's quite intense.

[Ankh]

I'm not sure I follow you here.

I meant that one leaves the home feeling/thinking - yay! adventure - here I come! Only to find it that one cannot come home later, because this "adventure" was quite serious than one thought it to be.

[Spectrum]

There is also the "getting karmically involved", which, I would imagine, plays a part in 'future' events.

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I meant that one leaves the home feeling/thinking - yay! adventure - here I come! Only to find it that one cannot come home later, because this "adventure" was quite serious than one thought it to be.

O yeah! But STO sees it as a service, and STS sees it as a risk.

[Ankh]

STO sees it as a service, and STS sees it as a risk.

They don't know what they are missing

[Ocean]

if STS sees it as risk then are all those ones who stayed in the higher realms STS?

[Zeva_Rediekiel]

so there was one negative wanderer? was that hitler?

That wasn't in reference to a negatively inclined Wanderer; that was what the negative entities were trying to do to Carla. They wished to pull her out of her body and into their plane.

The brighter the light, the deeper the shadow.

[3DMonkey]

if STS sees it as risk then are all those ones who stayed in the higher realms STS?

Are we talking wanderers? Ra says wanderers are ones that are so clouded by love that reason isn't even part of their decision. Like they look here and sigh the longest puppy dog eyed "aaawwwwwwwww" and, swoop, they just bought a ticket on the 3D Express.

[Ocean]

they can pull someone out? jeepers.

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i guess we're 4D eyed gullabaloos

[3DMonkey]

I've had a group-of-pullers type dream during a fainting episode (no drugs). When I came to, I lept up and ran across the room trying to scream 'help me'.

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"share much, 3DMonkey?"
'don't mind if I do'

[zenmaster]

Ra also said that in 4D negative, it's like a gravity well. It is extremely difficult for anyone in 4D- to maintain any positive polarity. It requires a great deal of persistence to even hold a positive polarity. So if one is on a 4D- planet, I don't think they have a choice. The gravity/pull of the planet keeps anyone from going positive.

On the other hand, those that have polarized negatively already can change fairly easily. So I guess the 'keeps anyone from going positive' isn't quite accurate.

[Spectrum]

They don't know what they are missing

Hie-hie

[Spectrum]

if STS sees it as risk then are all those ones who stayed in the higher realms STS?

Ra just says it's rare for STS to wander. They view everything in terms of gains and losses for themselves, and when they wander they risk getting stuck in 3D, and losing the progress they made.

[Ocean]

how come those polarized negative have such an easy time? this whole thing is screwy.

lol Monkey tell more.

[zenmaster]

how come those polarized negative have such an easy time? this whole thing is screwy.

'All is One' implies total fairness (unless 7D or higher provides an advantage). STO and STS are learning paths. Both attitudes are ultimately learning the exact same information, but using different methods.

In order for one to learn by not considering service to other as the same as service to self, a certain social structure must be created and behavior patterns must be followed. Same thing for STO.

[Infinite Unity]

Why does something need to be abandoned in order to for progress to be made?

So polarity is abandoned, together with gender and other duality stuff. I see, that means that STS abandon their style of service, and STO might abandon theirs, and everything merge into one same thing... Whatever that means... (Maybe all STO 6D Wanderers were mean STS people in their past, and vice versa? ).

To me this is kinda a misconceprion. Rather then abandoned, it is more like it is outgrown to me. Kinda like the kitty rides at a park. There still there for those that need, and enjoy those rides. While you move on to what you need and want to enjoy.

[flofrog]

It seems anyway that Negative STS will not find 6D challenging enough for them since service to Others is what really is the progression and main focus on 6D, and the harmony of 6D leave them uninterested.. right ?  

[Infinite Unity]

Well from what I understand of what Ra says about this is, that the negative entity instantaneously reconfigures its configuration to positive orientation. It is also my understanding that in 6d polarity is 'abandoned'. My opinion is that this is at a later period of evolution in the 6d 'timeline' if you will.

Now for more of a direct answer to your question, are they uninterested?, which will be of my own small viewpoint. Is that you really can't narrow down all the potential mental configurations this infinite creation can manifest. I do think you could say that there are entities that are uninterested in unity.

A negative entity will find entering 6d with a lot of entropy taking place. Ra says that it is unaware of an entity ever overcoming this. So I am certain here are entities that just want to take a swing at that goal. So the beginning of 6d can be challenging. The same path is mirrored in the sts path as the sto in my opinion, in that the sts will find the light side of its being to be comparitvely like a light being will perceive it shadow self.

[loostudent]

I think the path of separation is also described in a parable by Jehoshua:

Parable of the prodigal son

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

“Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

“When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

“The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

“But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

“Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

“The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

“‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

Would anyone comment?

[Glow]

I had started a new thread on this but realized it fits here fine.

Here is my take on the dead end path. I don't see it as pointless I see it as a unique exploration.

I've never hidden I think I very likely have played the negative part in other lives, over and over and over. That part of me feels extinguished there is no calling. It's obviously been explored to near completion. I understand deeply that the dark give a beautiful gift and I understand with full empathy the inner drives and experiences that would send a being in that direction. If anything I have more empathy for them than those who just bobble about on the surface living the life of obliviousness.

It's gotten me wondering too. Might there not be a unique depth in beings that have explored the darkness that compels them. Not so much a "dead end path" but perhaps a PH.D. In unity via separation. They have seen to exhaustion the full capacity and scope of separation, how better than that to understand Unity?

I don't remember dark lives but when I see dark, even incredible darkness I instinctively look for the light it brings and the beings that perpetrate it, I might want to stop them and give them a good uppercut or two but I really look to commiserate with them where I can, find their many wounds, they are there, that's what drives them deeper and deeper to close and control their heart.

How to appreciate love, be with out it, how to appreciate it deeper, be further from love for longer. How to appreciate unity be separate, how to further appreciate unity? Be as alone as possible for as long as you can stand.

How to empathize with those who have been hurt? Suffer many wounds till you can generalize those wounds. How to never want to hurt another? Hurt everyone and feel all the horrible pain/anguish/know it's your fault/know deeply how regret feels.

besides that I have stated darkness brings light. Another poster(I will go see who) said the brighter the light the deeper the shadow. I love it.

I've had the opposite thought the more consentrated the darkness(black hole) the more room there is that's bright.