divinecosmos hacked again

[Derek]

Few? David has thousands and thousands of fans. I know many, through facebook, myspace, various message boards, and other forms of networking. This again is another form of projection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Your projecting your personal opinion (that he has a big ego) onto everyone else in the alternative community, assuming that they all too think that he has "a giant ego"

[3DMonkey]

I Was being kind by not assuming he sleeps around.

[Derek]

I Was being kind by not assuming he sleeps around.

He has been celibate for years. If he was lying (ie not following his personal teachings) he would have received massive psychic greeting by now that would have completely destroyed his career or something else catastrophic. This is how all channeling works (read The Channelers Handbook by Carla Rueckart). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[3DMonkey]

I know you aren't upset with me. You are upset with the idea of bashing Someone you respect. I haven't done that. Everyone has posted something positive about David. Except one, and as I stand in your corner, I say save yourself and don't tango with that.

[Derek]

I know you aren't upset with me. You are upset with the idea of bashing Someone you respect. I haven't done that. Everyone has posted something positive about David. Except one, and as I stand in your corner, I say save yourself and don't tango with that.

Listen, I am not upset with you. It is frustrating though when I see people casually attacking people such as David Wilcock and others who have awakened so many people and in Davids case, widely popularized the Law of One series. If someone could provide evidence of him being an "egomaniac" I would consider that. If someone is going to attack and accuse based on zero evidence, and complete assumption and opinion (which I can provide evidence against) it can be frustrating. This happens with other people as well.

You were not the only one to say anything about David in this thread.

[Ocean]

to say he's human is not an insult. i for one don't presume to know anything about his ego. i love him for being a beautiful soul, i can see it radiating from him. i always feel good when watching him. you can see the love and honesty when he talks, imo, and i do think he is very humble. and i do think he would have been getting major greeting if he wasn't. but we should always be careful about putting people on pedestals, he himself says he doesn't want that.

[Derek]

to say he's human is not an insult. i for one don't presume to know anything about his ego. i love him for being a beautiful soul, i can see it radiating from him. i always feel good when watching him. you can see the love and honesty when he talks, imo, and i do think he is very humble. and i do think he would have been getting major greeting if he wasn't. but we should always be careful about putting people on pedestals, he himself says he doesn't want that.

I couldn't agree more with everything you said that is 100% my thoughts about all this.

[seejay21]

David will be David. He's made some money selling his wares, but that isn't such a bad thing. I consider him the "CNN" of Awareness. He's probably reached more people with his method than any other new age celeb.

[Ocean]

well he does have to live and he does work really hard. someone who works really hard doing something that benefits nobody is more free to spend their money on giant palaces in people's eyes. when someone like David who actually gives most of his stuff free and works hard to help people somehow is supposed to be wearing rags and eating wild berries.

[unity100]

Here is a repost from another thread. I hope to put those assumptions at rest.

no, unfortunately they dont.

he talks a lot about himself. even in the supposed Ra channeling transcripts i read, stuff like 'oh, i wouldnt have you any other way' fires away, regarding his own self. the channeled source (supposedly Ra) is telling that to him.

the Ra which used terms like 'this instrument' for Carla, 'questioner' for don, is bursting out in an orange/yellow filled exclamation, to david's persona.

let me go out on a limb and say he was channeling his own higher self or his totality at that time. then, this would mean that he is in need of appeasement of his own self, and therefore receiving communication as such.

you wont have any kind of appeasement/aggrandizement of ANYone's self, in Ra material, under no condition.

The basic idea is that feeling positively about yourself, writing articles in first-person tense with stories from your own life's journey, pursuing greater exposure and offering products so you can afford to keep doing your best to reach people, is a bad thing.

being too indulged in one's own self, is an yellow ray manifestation. (correction : yellow ray manifestation)

and as for 'greater exposure and offering products', here :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#23

62.23 Questioner: Isn’t this unusual that a fifth-density entity then would bother to do this rather than sending a fourth-density servant, shall I say?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.

his attempt to redefine ego, and somehow exempt being overindulged in his own SELF, as opposed to well being of everyone (leaving aside others), is a sign of having an ego.

im totally leaving out the 'products' and aggrandizement of self or organization part, as told in above.

so, in the 10 years that passed, ra has started to use channels that appease themselves or others, also entertaining specific information, through a channel which channels conspiracy theories and whatnot, not to mention selling great products by extra exposure ? the Ra which has answered that any kind of 'advertisement' through ufo phenomenon was undesirable, because using law of attraction was more proper ?

Thus, we start with the instrument and we proceed therefrom, touching with the instrument’s mind again, and then again, as we scan—we will correct this instrument—as we scan the minds of those within the circle to find what they may wish to listen to.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0803.aspx

it took a few lifetimes, among many groups, for ll group to be able to channel Ra, and it was only doable through unconscious channeling.

not to mention that, this contact had to end after don's death. because the contact was maintained due to harmony in between the three, who had spent apparently more than one life together in preparation for this.

now, someone who is channeling information totally contrary to what Ra has cautioned against, acting in a manner Ra warned against, is, consciously channeling Ra, alone ....

[Ocean]

David's products are mostly science not channeling, i think. what he is is a researcher. why can't he have that as a product?

are you saying Ra is a negative entity or that David does not channel Ra?

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the schedule module is missing. i just went to divinecosmos.

[3DMonkey]

Yeah, I love all the science David puts out. I look the other way when he channels... or sings.

I think David's best attribute is his ability to speak. That guy can discuss our favorite topics with just about anyone and be successful doing it. He is not easily tripped up in real time conversation, and in fact can peacefully stand his ground. I don't think he is going on Oprah anytime soon, but I would bet she has watched a video or two of his.

[Derek]

Here is a repost from another thread. I hope to put those assumptions at rest.

no, unfortunately they dont.

he talks a lot about himself. even in the supposed Ra channeling transcripts i read, stuff like 'oh, i wouldnt have you any other way' fires away, regarding his own self. the channeled source (supposedly Ra) is telling that to him.

the Ra which used terms like 'this instrument' for Carla, 'questioner' for don, is bursting out in an orange filled exclamation, to david's persona.

let me go out on a limb and say he was channeling his own higher self or his totality at that time. then, this would mean that he is in need of appeasement of his own self, and therefore receiving communication as such.

you wont have any kind of appeasement/aggrandizement of ANYone's self, in Ra material, under no condition.

The basic idea is that feeling positively about yourself, writing articles in first-person tense with stories from your own life's journey, pursuing greater exposure and offering products so you can afford to keep doing your best to reach people, is a bad thing.

being too indulged in one's own self, is an orange ray manifestation.

and as for 'greater exposure and offering products', here :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#23

62.23 Questioner: Isn’t this unusual that a fifth-density entity then would bother to do this rather than sending a fourth-density servant, shall I say?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.

his attempt to redefine ego, and somehow exempt being overindulged in his own SELF, as opposed to well being of everyone (leaving aside others), is a sign of having an ego.

im totally leaving out the 'products' and aggrandizement of self or organization part, as told in above.

so, in the 10 years that passed, ra has started to use channels that appease themselves or others, also entertaining specific information, through a channel which channels conspiracy theories and whatnot, not to mention selling great products by extra exposure ? the Ra which has answered that any kind of 'advertisement' through ufo phenomenon was undesirable, because using law of attraction was more proper ?

Thus, we start with the instrument and we proceed therefrom, touching with the instrument’s mind again, and then again, as we scan—we will correct this instrument—as we scan the minds of those within the circle to find what they may wish to listen to.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0803.aspx

it took a few lifetimes, among many groups, for ll group to be able to channel Ra, and it was only doable through unconscious channeling.

not to mention that, this contact had to end after don's death. because the contact was maintained due to harmony in between the three, who had spent apparently more than one life together in preparation for this.

now, someone who is channeling information totally contrary to what Ra has cautioned against, acting in a manner Ra warned against, is, consciously channeling Ra, alone ....

Listen, this is the last time I'm going to respond to this. I appreciate your opinion, but I don't want to waste vital energy The vast majority of those channelings are his own personal channelings that he was using for personal guidance. They are coming from his higher self and are about his life. Some of them contain inspiring material and prophecy, so he released them online. There are hundreds more he hasn't. The channelings he has released online for public only say things like this

"Again, our goal is not to promote David or his works. David is one aspect of a much greater collective initiative, and it has many, many facets.

Our goal is to reach the shoreline of your awareness, and set sail with a craft of our own design in collaboration with you – such that there is no need to worry about the future, or concern yourself with the frequency of available materials of any kind, whether they be David’s writings or otherwise."




David constantly stresses that he doesn't want to be put on a pedestal.

I'M NOT PERFECT

I had some of those jarring events in my own life recently. My car got broken into at my conference in San Francisco, and the next day I had a minor but nonetheless real car accident on the road while driving to my next conference in Santa Cruz -- with no driver's side window!

I'm certainly not perfect, and sometimes I get frustrated about being put in a position where so many others look to me for guidance, while I myself am still learning and evolving and making mistakes.

It would be easy -- and fun -- to take some time off and completely ignore my work on this site for, say, a solid two weeks, even a month. No email, no messages, no telephone, nothing but my own contemplative relationship with the greater Identity of the universe, preferably somewhere out in the mountains and trees.

I've never done that. Not since I started this site in February 1999.

I don't feel I have the luxury of doing that at this point. Even when there is a gap in posting, I'm still working my tail off, either on the book or on developing new content that hasn't yet appeared.

The reason why I don't stop at this point is the Principle of Honor. This means doing things you may not always enjoy because you've made an agreement with your Higher Self, and with others, to take on a certain degree of responsibility.

It is thus your honor / duty to perform the work you have chosen.


IT'S KIND OF SILLY

Given the challenges I face, and the overwhelming number of people who are urgently trying to get in contact with me every day, I step back and reflect on how silly the whole thing often feels.

I've met many other people who are recognized public figures and can assure you this is a very common reaction people have to significant public exposure.

Lately I've had experiences where I look at myself in the mirror and wonder why in the world so many people chase me down and want to meet me or otherwise connect with me personally in the letters they send.

Really, by comparison to the beings who are out there in the Universe, and more importantly to your own Higher Self, meeting me in person would be decidedly lackluster.

I moved in with the original founders of L/L Research -- the surviving channels for the original Law of One series -- and expected that magical things would happen to me once I got there.

I felt that since this awesome work had come through them, some of it would rub off on me when I went there.

The truth is that we went through a full array of typical human problems and difficulties.

Whatever glorious transformation I was expecting did not happen.

It was just people in community, sometimes getting along and sometimes not getting along. Very flawed, very real, very human people. I was happy I went there and I was happy I left. I do wish them all the best, and am extremely, extremely grateful for the Law of One series.


THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETING IS WITH SELF

Over time I've had people I put on pedestals. I've also been fortunate enough to meet almost every single one of them and work with them in some form.

While I don't knock the 'wow factor' of this, you still have yourself at the end of the day. Your heroes are real people. You may meet them when they are tired, or cranky, or hungry, or thirsty, or otherwise not in the right mood to socialize. It happens!

Obviously, I'm not Santa Claus and I can't even hope to answer the letters coming in, and I no longer guarantee I even see them because there are just too many. I've bulked up my volunteer staff to help me handle the load because it is so significant.

As I'm going to explain after my little rant, the most important being you want to meet is your own Self, in its greater sense.



EASY TO LOSE TRACK

It's easy to lose track of that. When we go long enough without tuning in, we get hammered -- just like I did with these recent mishaps in my own life.

I do believe they are negative greetings. No doubt. The circumstances are far too metaphysically strange to be attributable to random chance. Nonetheless, I do not believe any physical third-density Illuminati / New World Order 'agency' is responsible for causing these events.

However, it is a fact that both the theft of a Divine Cosmos laptop in Hawaii and the break-in of my car in San Francisco were performed by severe chemical-dependents.


MEET MY ATTACKERS

The Hawaiian theft was from a severe drug addict who brought the computer back to rehab, and bragged about having stolen it. Although we are not certain, he may have actually been ballsy enough to walk right in and steal it while we all had our eyes closed and were meditating!

He didn't even delete his personal information off of the machine when we got it back -- it was all easily available in the History folder.

We found out what girls he was hooking up with on Myspace. We watched their videos and appreciated their musical abilities. We also found out where he planned to fly for the Big Getaway he was planning out of rehab.

The San Francisco break-in was from a severe and probably homeless alcoholic. He was missing most of his teeth, was overweight, and his clothes were old and tattered.

It took him three attempts to break my glass and try to grab the GPS I had inside.

I even heard the car alarm going off -- it was quite loud and distracting -- but I had no idea it was my own car.

Those blasted car alarms, I thought to myself. Can't even hear myself think. Funny, it sounds like my alarm, but nobody would break into my car. Of course not!

The third attempt was a success -- but before he even made it ten feet away from the car, he was arrested.

He got so involved in the struggle to break in that he didn't even notice the police car that was cruising right down the road as he achieved 'success.'


NO ILL WILL

In both cases I honestly did not wish my attackers any ill will.

In the case of the laptop theft, we never met the young man who did it. However, in the second case, the peace officers had my car thief handcuffed right there on the street. It was cold and late. I could almost see my breath.

I was standing out there, and he was just three feet away from me in a heap on the sidewalk.

Although this could be my own projection, the police almost seemed to be egging me on to say something nasty to him. This was the vibe I got, very clearly, and I don't think I was making this up:

"There he is. He's CAPTURED!

We got him! Right there! That's him! He's CAPTURED!

You can say something if you want to. Go ahead!

He's the Villain, you're the Victim. Let 'er rip... we'll look the other way...

This is your Big Moment! Use it!

All your anger, all your fear, all your rage -- this is your guy. Your Scapegoat.

You're lucky. You earned this. He destroyed your car. We got him. Now it's your turn.

GET HIM!"


ALL I SAW WAS LOVE

I know this sounds corny, but I looked into his eyes and all I could see was love. The peace officers were just as amazed by this as he was.

Honestly, his eyes were those of a pleading young child, desperately lonely and hungry and confused.

It had been so long since anyone had cared about him. I certainly was not going to make it worse.

Perhaps my treatment of him might give him hope that he is not such a loathsome and terrible person after all, despite what the world was probably showing and telling him almost every day and night of his life.

Only other homeless people might offer him any respite from this nightmare, but they are also living in fear and scarcity and cannot be trusted.


CAN'T HATE THE COYOTES

A neighbor of mine let his cat go outside and it got eaten up by the coyotes. While this was tragic, I don't hate the coyotes for doing it. Nor could I hate either of these two people for their crimes against my property.

However, in both cases they got absorbed into the criminal justice system and will be doing prison time. That's part of the chain of karma that happens in these events -- and I'm not going to interrupt that flow either.


GREATER META-MESSAGES ARE BEING OFFERED

I believe both of these events happened to me as yet another means in which I'm being given personal symbolism about planetary events. These are not 'random' accidents. They are meant to be intepreted as synchronicities with dream-like metaphors about bigger events.

This is undoubtedly due to the fact that I'm a public figure, and events in my own life can be used as symbolic representations of global issues -- on purpose.

In both cases, these crimes were miraculously stopped by the intervention of Peace Officers. The attackers got away with nothing. I did not lose my valuables.

There was damage, yes... I spent a long, long time cleaning broken glass out of my car -- but nothing really was lost.

The way he defined ego in that post is exactly how Carl Jung and many others define it.


If he didn't have products he would not be on the internet. Nobody would know who he is and far fewer people would know about the Law of One. That is a fact.

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

[Ocean]

yeah he is a walking ad. and wow that car story was awesome.

[BlatzAdict]

i'm two things right now. so sorry. i'm so sorry to you derek. please forgive me. yoink!
lol

and the 2nd thing... so i am with my partner here mr percy from usa.
do you need some purses i can maybe sell to you. 2 for 1 but 3 for 2.
you say that's not bad here's money to you.
one is magenta and the other is blue.

[Ocean]

lololol

[Ankh]

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

[Namaste]

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

Yes, very interested in that also.

14.5 Questioner: Was the Egyptian visit of 11,000 years ago the only one where you actually walked the Earth?

Ra: I am Ra. I understand your question distorted in the direction of selves rather than other-selves. We of the vibratory sound complex, Ra, have walked among you only at that time.

Would this not include 3D incarnations (Wanderers), as at the core, it's still the essence of Ra?

[unity100]

Listen, this is the last time I'm going to respond to this. I appreciate your opinion, but I don't want to waste vital energy Smile The vast majority of those channelings are his own personal channelings that he was using for personal guidance. They are coming from his higher self and are about his life. Some of them contain inspiring material and prophecy, so he released them online. There are hundreds more he hasn't. The channelings he has released online for public only say things like this

"Again, our goal is not to promote David or his works. David is one aspect of a much greater collective initiative, and it has many, many facets.

Our goal is to reach the shoreline of your awareness, and set sail with a craft of our own design in collaboration with you – such that there is no need to worry about the future, or concern yourself with the frequency of available materials of any kind, whether they be David’s writings or otherwise."

David constantly stresses that he doesn't want to be put on a pedestal.

again, the endless amount of personal-related stuff in any of the things he channels, means that he has an overindulgence in his own self.

providing and producing reasons for it does not change that fact.

i have given you direct link to Ra quote about aggrandizement of self/organization reducing polarity of the channeler.

The way he defined ego in that post is exactly how Carl Jung and many others define it.

If he didn't have products he would not be on the internet. Nobody would know who he is and far fewer people would know about the Law of One. That is a fact.

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

david's or carl gustav jung's definition of ego, is not relevant to spiritual definition of ego. a good link to the definition of ego related manifestations was, again, given by a link to Ra material.

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

david himself of course. the 60 million crowded Ra social memory complex has shown their approach to channeling with the work they undertaken with ll group. and that, isnt at parallels with what this person is doing, or saying.

[Namaste]

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

david himself of course. the 60 million crowded Ra social memory complex has shown their approach to channeling with the work they undertaken with ll group. and that, isnt at parallels with what this person is doing, or saying.

This is exactly why David's Ra channeling doesn't resonate with me, it doesn't fit with the core reason of how and why the core team and harmony of L/L Research yielded the Ra Material.

I do find DW's non-channelled work invaluable, however. He being of great service to humanity :¬)

[yossarian]

the whole point is that David is not channeling Ra the Social Memory Complex

He's channeling one individual who happens to be a part of that Social Memory Complex

this is different

There are likely millions of wanderers on the Earth with higher selves from Ra, right? David talks to his higher self with conscious channeling, he doesn't use unconscious channeling to talk to Ra the social memory complex. So of course the material is different. The source is different and the channeller is different.

He doesn't claim to channel the same Ra from The Ra Material. It's a different Ra.

[Ankh]

60 million crowded Ra social memory complex

Another thing that gets me confused. Didn't Ra mention that they were 6,5 million that graduated from 3D? And even if non graduates at the time of the Great Harvest graduated some place else later, and could join Ra: s early 4D+ society they were still approximately 32 millions at that time, right? Just wonder if there some classified information somewhere that I didn't get the memo of?

I do find DW's non-channelled work invaluable, however. He being of great service to humanity :¬)

That is probably most important to remember. If people are being helped by David's work - hey! Nice going and thank you for being of service, right? And if the word Ra is what catches the intention and helps others self grow - I don't think that Ra would mind, that word is not a trademark.

[unity100]

the whole point is that David is not channeling Ra the Social Memory Complex

He's channeling one individual who happens to be a part of that Social Memory Complex

this is different

There are likely millions of wanderers on the Earth with higher selves from Ra, right? David talks to his higher self with conscious channeling, he doesn't use unconscious channeling to talk to Ra the social memory complex. So of course the material is different. The source is different and the channeller is different.

He doesn't claim to channel the same Ra from The Ra Material. It's a different Ra.

a 6d society complex is something that is greatly harmonized. you cant just break away and act against the collective will of the complex you belong to, and engage in a manner that is contrary to the collective will.

ra was at a point of addressing them as 'i am Ra' - meaning that 60 million souls were acting together, thinking together to that extent. not 'we are Ra' even.

remember that, one of the reasons why wanderers incarnate in 3d planets is that their society complex may decide that the wanderer needs a lesson revisited. so, basically, a society complex has as much effect and clout on a wanderer. this means, it wouldnt be possible for a part of that society complex to go against the collective will of the complex and still remain a part of that complex.

meaning, david wilcock cannot be channeling Ra in any interpretation. i doubt that, at the point of late 6d, any entity would leave their society complex, for david wilcock to be a breakaway entity which left its society complex, and therefore channeling his 'higher self'. also wanderers do not have higher selves. society complex, or, totality of the wanderer or the totality of the society complex, acts as higher self.

[Ankh]

the whole point is that David is not channeling Ra the Social Memory Complex

He's channeling one individual who happens to be a part of that Social Memory Complex

this is different

17.13 Questioner: When I am communicating with you as Ra, are you at times individualized as an entity or am I speaking to an entire social memory complex?

Ra: I am Ra. You speak with Ra. There is no separation. You would call it social memory complex thus indicating many-ness. To our understanding, you are speaking to an individualized portion of consciousness.

There are likely millions of wanderers on the Earth with higher selves from Ra, right? David talks to his higher self with conscious channeling, he doesn't use unconscious channeling to talk to Ra the social memory complex. So of course the material is different. The source is different and the channeller is different.

He doesn't claim to channel the same Ra from The Ra Material. It's a different Ra.

It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

[yossarian]

a 6d society complex is something that is greatly harmonized. you cant just break away and act against the collective will of the complex you belong to, and engage in a manner that is contrary to the collective will.

Who are you saying is acting against the collective will exactly?

ra was at a point of addressing them as 'i am Ra' - meaning that 60 million souls were acting together, thinking together to that extent. not 'we are Ra' even.

I'm down with that interpretation, but still, I don't think that is conclusive.

remember that, one of the reasons why wanderers incarnate in 3d planets is that their society complex may decide that the wanderer needs a lesson revisited. so, basically, a society complex has as much effect and clout on a wanderer. this means, it wouldnt be possible for a part of that society complex to go against the collective will of the complex and still remain a part of that complex.

Who is going against the collective will?

meaning, david wilcock cannot be channeling Ra in any interpretation. i doubt that, at the point of late 6d, any entity would leave their society complex, for david wilcock to be a breakaway entity which left its society complex, and therefore channeling his 'higher self'. also wanderers do not have higher selves. society complex, or, totality of the wanderer or the totality of the society complex, acts as higher self.

Wandering doesn't mean leaving the complex. Wanderers reunite with their complex after graduation.

It seems like you're just saying that Ra never wandered to earth. I believe this is incorrect.

The collective will of a complex respects the individual wills of the members. The collective will of the complex is that the individuals serve the creator in the way they are called to do so.

The harmonizing factor in an SMC is not the specific way each individual chooses to serve but rather the vibration of the service.

I never saw anything in the LOO books to indicate that there are no wanderers from Ra or that individuals in the complex don't individually wander.

Ra heavily implied that Akhenaten was a wanderer from the SMC of Ra.

My understanding has always been that the Earth today is flooded with wanderers from Ra who are trying to work out the Earth-Ra karma bit by bit.

[3DMonkey]

meaning, david wilcock cannot be channeling Ra in any interpretation. i doubt that, at the point of late 6d, any entity would leave their society complex, for david wilcock to be a breakaway entity which left its society complex, and therefore channeling his 'higher self'. also wanderers do not have higher selves. society complex, or, totality of the wanderer or the totality of the society complex, acts as higher self.

In no way can I disagree with your assessment of David. All you points are true.

On the topic of higher self: All of our higher selfs are 6D society complexes that act without separation. That is what the higher self is, you in the fullness of your 6D self. There are something like 53 6D complex higher selfs operating on Earth right now.

[yossarian]

17.13 Questioner: When I am communicating with you as Ra, are you at times individualized as an entity or am I speaking to an entire social memory complex?

Ra: I am Ra. You speak with Ra. There is no separation. You would call it social memory complex thus indicating many-ness. To our understanding, you are speaking to an individualized portion of consciousness.

This is who Don was speaking to. But consciousness is fungible and nothing is lost. Ra, at will, can split itself into individualized portions and send those portions to Earth as wanderers. This is my view anyway. Consciousness is fluid, like fire. It can change. Don was speaking to Ra the complex and no other Ra. This doesn't mean it is impossible to speak to a subdivision of the complex - it just means that Don was not speaking to a subdivision.

Ra also used the question as an opportunity to emphasize the Law of One - namely that despite any apparent division unity still is truth.

It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

It is implied. Don never asks the question directly. Akhenaten at the very least is implied to be a wanderer from Ra. How is Ra going to work out their Earth karma if they avoid the #1 way they can serve the Earth -- by sending wanderers?

[Ocean]

this is giving me a headache.

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i'm jk, it's a great discussion. i like the idea i could have been in egypt. or maybe not, what with all the mummies.

[Ankh]

It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

It is implied. Don never asks the question directly. Akhenaten at the very least is implied to be a wanderer from Ra. How is Ra going to work out their Earth karma if they avoid the #1 way they can serve the Earth -- by sending wanderers?

I didn't interpret that imply then while reading about Echenaton. However I read a book by another Wanderer who remembered being a priest during that time, trying to help Echenaton, and he was not part of Ra. If this Earth is crowded by Ra why they took contact with L/L (not Ra Wanderers) instead of some of their own (in this case DW??) for making such heavy material as Law of One? Which is the base, the ground, of everything else that is been and still being said and done?

What Earth karma are you implying that Ra need to work off?

[yossarian]

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?sea...&ss=1&sc=1

In the Eighteenth Dynasty, as it is known in your records of space/time distortions, we were able to contact a pharaoh, as you would call him. The man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, Wanderer. Thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own. This young entity had been given a vibratory complex of sound which vibrated in honor of a prosperous god, as this mind/body complex, which we call instrument for convenience, would call “Ammon.” The entity decided that this name, being in honor of one among many gods, was not acceptable for inclusion in his vibratory sound complex. Thus, he changed his name to one which honored the sun disc. This distortion, called “Aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion. However, it does not come totally into alignment with the intended teach/learning which was sent. This entity, Ikhnaton, became convinced that the vibration of One was the true spiritual vibration and thus decreed the Law of One.

However, this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships.

Note that Ikhnaton is the alternative spelling for Akhenaten.

How much do you want to bet that Akhenaten was a wanderer from the SMC of Ra?

I think he wasn't the first nor the last.

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Being perfectly honest, I've actually just always assumed that almost everyone who posts here is a wanderer from Ra.

To me this would explain why people vibrate so well with Ra.

Since Ra was very involved in Earth karma, Ra would also make up the majority of wanderers on Earth, potentiating the existence of the high quality Ra contact.

Obviously, you're going to resonate most strongly with the channeling from your own previous social memory complex.

Maybe I'm deluding myself. But for a long time now it has seemed obvious to me that most if not everyone on this forum is from the social memory complex known as Ra. This forum has a very unique energy and I get very strong intuitive impressions from a lot of the people here... basically... that it's not the first time we've spoken by any means.

Some of the people here are new arrivals to earth, and they often have the lightest auras, while others have been toiling for awhile and carry heavy battle scars. But most if not all come from the same place of deep commonality.

I don't get this sense in plenty of other metaphysical forums.

Just my opinion/perception/distortion/whatever.

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It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

It is implied. Don never asks the question directly. Akhenaten at the very least is implied to be a wanderer from Ra. How is Ra going to work out their Earth karma if they avoid the #1 way they can serve the Earth -- by sending wanderers?

I didn't interpret that imply then while reading about Echenaton. However I read a book by another Wanderer who remembered being a priest during that time, trying to help Echenaton, and he was not part of Ra. If this Earth is crowded by Ra why they took contact with L/L (not Ra Wanderers) instead of some of their own (in this case DW??) for making such heavy material as Law of One? Which is the base, the ground, of everything else that is been and still being said and done?

What Earth karma are you implying that Ra need to work off?

What makes you think LL are not from Ra?

Being very candid, my interpretation of the Jim/Carla/Don triad has been that Jim and Carla are 6D from Ra and Don is 5D from someone else, perhaps Latwii.

Would be very interested if there is something I haven't read on this issue.