challenges

[IndigoSalvia]

I'm just curious if any of us would be willing to share how we developed our own challenges when we chat with our spirit guides, et al. I understand that as a Mystical Christian, Carla chose to challenge in the name of Jesus Christ. And that to her was deeply resonant. I presume our challenges may be as unique as our being-ness. 

How do we use them? Anything you'd like to share about your challenging process would be nice. 

I am drawn, in curiosity, to how I am developing and evolving my challenges. How I seem to refine it, and add this or that flavor to it. 

To start, I would say my challenge is ever-evolving. Initially, I wanted to find a concise challenge that was easy to repeat. Instead, I found that there is a common essence or flow to my challenges, but each time the words are different. It is based upon Ra's suggested responses when one encounters a STS being/energy. 

I use it randomly, whenever I feel the urge. I, however, always start a meditation with one once I have calmed. 

My challenges have softened, in a sense, over time. At first, my challenges were carefully-worded walls, heavy on the defense and guarding, so to speak. And, I have softened, while maintaining the integrity of defensive energies. 

Sometimes I try to rush through a challenge because I'm eager, but often, I slow down and sink into the message that I am trying to convey. 

I am glad now that I have not landed on an easily repeatable phrasing because I might be more tempted to not feel it each time, but just rely on rote memory.

[flofrog]

lol you are much more organized and wise than I am IndigoSalvia. lol I ma more fly by the seat of my pants, in so that my attitude is let's see what challenge curiously comes to me now, lol.. I am not doubting too much that I might have planned this before incarnating, I have a feeling probably I must have but it's not like I have been working hard at piercing what was in store but more the fly by seat, lol lol.

In the one reading I had, that lovely psychic made fun of me saying, Yes lets lounge like the Romans and bring me more grapes, total laziness, and then let's work let's work and your energy makes everyone around you so tired just looking at you. lol. It so described me totally. Terrified to succumb to laziness Shall do anything. So I would say my process was early on beaches of not doing much with incredibly hectic vengeful work. Now I just work a lot on several very different things because I just love working. When a challenge was specially hard I could always hear my spiritual guides laughing, they are a bunch of scamps.

And to answer more precisely, none of my hard challenges were similar, definitely wildly different.

[IndigoSalvia]

I started off wanting to be organized and clear in my challenges, like I understood Carla to be. But I found that my challenges were going to be what they were in the moment, and evolve on their own.

lol  you are much more organized and wise than I am IndigoSalvia.  lol  I ma more  fly by the seat of my pants, in so that my attitude is  let's see what challenge curiously comes to me now, lol..  I am not doubting too much that I might have planned this before incarnating, I have a feeling probably  I must have but it's not like I have been working hard at piercing what was in store but more the fly by seat, lol lol.

LOL! Such image-evoking language: a relaxing feast, a very busy bee, and beaches ... and your spirit guides laughing. Yes, I have some scamps too. We laugh often, and they are very patient with me. 

In the one reading I had,  that lovely  psychic made fun of me saying,  Yes lets lounge like the Romans and bring me more grapes, total laziness, and then let's work let's work and your energy makes everyone around you so tired just looking at you.  lol. It so described me totally.  Terrified to succumb to laziness Shall do anything.  So I would say my process was early on beaches of not doing much with incredibly hectic vengeful work.  Now I just work a lot on several very different things because I just love working. When a challenge was specially hard I could always hear my spiritual guides laughing, they are a bunch of scamps.

And to answer more precisely, none of my hard challenges were similar, definitely wildly different.

[Diana]

While studying channeling I did not resonate at all with challenging in the name of Jesus or anything to do with religion, mystical or otherwise. The others in my study group felt the same. 

We decided that it is the deep conviction that matters. So if I don’t have any conviction in following a being such as Jesus, that would not work for me. 

What I decided would work for me as I am so committed to it, is truth. So that’s what I would challenge with. Each person I think must figure out what means the most to them. The other thing I did not agree with, and I am not saying it’s wrong, is to choose something you are willing to die for. To me that seems out of balance, though perhaps it illustrates how strong the conviction should be.

[IndigoSalvia]

The other thing I did not agree with, and I am not saying it’s wrong, is to choose something you are willing to die for. To me that seems out of balance, though perhaps it illustrates how strong the conviction should be.

I agree: finding something I am willing to die for doesn't ring true for me personally. Martyrdom.

[tadeus]

The key of challenges has been revealed by reading A Wanderer's Handbook. from Carla.

Before there was a continous process of (quick) awakening, but without to comprehend the challenges of the past and actual life.

Assuming to know the task within the incarnation, it is easier to perceive and accept the meaning of catalyst and to communicate with the spirit guides when needed.

[LeiwoUnion]

I've felt that this 'challenging' ritual is mostly irrelevant, if there is no need to consciously channel external entities (and tbh in my opinion there practically never is - all one might ever need can be channeled through oneself, or the higher self). In my knowledge, there is only one case in human history where this was needed, and that was the lead into the initial contact with those of Ra by the llr group, and even that was only because of the collected past 'karma' of those of Ra themselves on Earth (likely initialized by the calling on Earth by themselves as wanderers). Channelling external entities here on Earth is too often too confusing ordeal to recommend it in any form. Moving from 3D based confusions to 4D based confusions, for example, is not that useful to warrant the danger of true mind poisoning which tends to also spread. These are just my opinions upon the matter.

However, if I'd need the challenge, I'd do it through the higher self. If my higher self accepts the contact after that, there's obviously useful catalyst available; in good or bad.

[tadeus]

I've felt that this 'challenging' ritual is mostly irrelevant, if there is no need to consciously channel external entities (and tbh in my opinion there practically never is - all one might ever need can be channeled through oneself, or the higher self).

I have not written about channeling and i assume that IndigoSalvia does not mean channeling with the "challenges" either.

Contacting your spirit guides has nothing to do with channeling, like that what L/L Research is doing.
It is an direct communication with your spirit guides either one way or in an bidirectional way, in meditation / contemplation.
There is no special ritual needed, but of course you can have one when you want.

A 'challenging' ritual does not exist, or you must explain it please.

[LeiwoUnion]

I've felt that this 'challenging' ritual is mostly irrelevant, if there is no need to consciously channel external entities (and tbh in my opinion there practically never is - all one might ever need can be channeled through oneself, or the higher self).

I have not written about channeling and i assume that IndigoSalvia does not mean channeling with the "challenges" either.

Contacting your spirit guides has nothing to do with channeling, like that what L/L Research is doing.
It is an direct communication with your spirit guides either one way or in an bidirectional way, in meditation / contemplation.
There is no special ritual needed, but of course you can have one when you want.

A 'challenging' ritual does not exist, or you must explain it please.

My point exactly. However, I wish to clarify that I don't think the link to one's guidance system is equal to external channeling, even though I used the word 'channeling' for that purpose, also. In addition, I used the word 'ritual' as an umbrella term in place of the concept of 'doing something in a consistent and repetitive manner'; e.g. the challenging action Carla did.

[IndigoSalvia]

This is a helpful distinction y'all bring up ... between one's own spirit guides (which is sacred and protected) and with other dialogues while meditating, or perhaps some experience other entities approach them while doing whatever. There may be other opportunities to challenge - spiritually - that which approaches one. And, of course, that may include formal channeling, like Carla.

[sillypumpkins]

I'm not sure if you'd consider this "challenging", but when I experience a greeting of some kind, I visualize a white light in my immediately vicinity and hold it, (ideally) viewing the catalyst through the eye of the One. It's a continual practice but that's what I've come to do when the time calls.

[tadeus]

My point exactly. However, I wish to clarify that I don't think the link to one's guidance system is equal to external channeling, even though I used the word 'channeling' for that purpose, also. In addition, I used the word 'ritual' as an umbrella term in place of the concept of 'doing something in a consistent and repetitive manner'; e.g. the challenging action Carla did.

O.K. Please apologise - i don't know what you mean.
Maybe you want to explain it.

[LeiwoUnion]

My point exactly. However, I wish to clarify that I don't think the link to one's guidance system is equal to external channeling, even though I used the word 'channeling' for that purpose, also. In addition, I used the word 'ritual' as an umbrella term in place of the concept of 'doing something in a consistent and repetitive manner'; e.g. the challenging action Carla did.

O.K. Please apologise - i don't know what you mean.
Maybe you want to explain it.

I have some difficulty in understanding what requires further explaining. I'm quite at a loss atm.

[seren88]

Ola,

This thread is super interesting, I find it fascinating how much our experiences vary in this.

I believe that there are different variables here which influence contact/the need to challenge.

These are my personal opinions based on my own experiences and the knowledge I have learned so far.

Since I was a child I've been aware of negative entities and quite fearful of them. The circles/people I spoke with when I was old enough generally held the belief that there was no such thing, and love and positivity would protect you. (I think this is true to some degree, but did not agree with negative entities not existing at all).

Fear strengthens them, and my lack of understanding as to what they were fuelled my fear. Knowledge gave me more power, understanding my part in the attraction helped. When I was at my lowest points, negative greetings were at their most frequent and most intense- generally in the form of a fear inducing psychic attack. I see it as my overall vibration- being lower/denser/more negative in my own thoughts- put me in a closer range to them, or more closely matched their energy/frequency. (We all assign different meaning to different words in this area so try not to get caught up on my words).

I think that your physical health/body being depleted can also create a vibratory match/opening.

But, I also think that when you're relatively balanced in these areas, they can also be equally as attracted to your glowing light as we so often hear about, but in this instance you've got less openings, and are just harder to 'reach'. I think you'r light is always quite bright, but your vibration can vary based on the variables Im trying to convey here. All of this can be perhaps outside of your conscious thoughts/efforts to protect yourself and challenges you deliberately put up/send out.

I don't really specifically remember what happened in these occurrences when I was very young- I remember what frightened me, but I don't remember how those events stopped, I assume I was protected by a guide/energy.

As I got into my teens/ before I really started reading any spiritual material, I instinctively would visualise a white light, and started using the Lords Prayer in my late teens- this for some reason unbeknown to me- has a super strong deterrent affect. I am not religious at all, I've been paralysed by fear so intensely at times I was unable to speak aloud, and so I would recite it in my head, and sometimes it took one recital, but always by the 3rd time the contact would back right off and leave.

I've always been drawn to the idea of the Arch Angels and more than once I've called out for Michael, and felt instant relief.

I don't know if it's my intention and faith which is symbolised by the act of using the prayer or calling out to an 'Angel' which is doing the work here, or if an actual positive entity is responding to my call and assisting me, or if it's an energy of sort that I am tuning into in those moments. I genuinely don't know, it's probably a mix of everything.


After reading the Ra material, and gaining so much understanding (but still barely none), I've rarely had a contact so intense that I've needed to pray for help like that. I can generally deal with the rare instances this now happens my self and feel like I can push back any unwanted energies using my own will. Maybe that's what was happening all along, but I needed the belief that it was someone/something else helping me.

Now, I get that in the grand scheme of things, we are all one, and there is no real polarity in the end, but negative contact is a very real thing for lots of people in 3D. Confusion is easily manipulated from the veil and fear is easily amplified. We don't even understand how own minds work, let alone how invisible energies can influence it.

RABMLE- apologies, back to the point I was actually trying to get at- since reading the Ra material, when I am trying to consciously connect with whatever manifestation of the creator, I state that I only accept contact from energies/beings that are of service to others- and ask for Michael to prevent any other attempts of contact in line with my will.

Again, whether he is an actual being that is there, or an energy/thought form I draw upon, the intentions in my energy/aura are clear and this acts as a barrier (i think).

When I use the term 'contact'- I am not implying that I am able to have conversations with beings, I am not. Most of my experiences like this are random.

Just thought I would share my thoughts/ideas around this.


Love and Light xx

[IndigoSalvia]

I hadn't seen this quote before, thanks. And, I like that the emphasis is a question for the self: who am I? If the emphasis is on the seeming other, that leads one down a similar but different line of thought.

I have my own opinion on this matter but I believe others can speak about this more clearly.

I am Laitos, and we are with this instrument. ...

We would say that in order to discover what you find to be consummate with what you take to be the highest and best energy you may sustain, it is well for you to ask a simple question beforehand, and that question is “Who am I?” If I am one who will embrace any voice that may rise to attention from within, I am one who risks being torn asunder from within; but if I am one who has tied the knot, shall we say, in the thread of meaning, so that as I wend my way through the life experience, again and again I can return to that fundamental sense of commitment to which I have decided I am bound. This refine is an essential portion of the kind of seeking you are engaged with, and it is something that you do well to keep in mind. Having said that, we will also say that this process of asserting who you are is itself fraught with difficulty, which we may describe as the problem of self-doubt. Doubting the self is an experience which tends to shake to the core that commitment which, in happier times, can be said to issue forth in a clear and concise declaration of who I am. When I doubt myself, that clarity seems to be hard to come by.

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2017/1014_01