Removing the veil of separation

[Nikki]

Another thing spiritual teachers sometimes claim is that reality is already perfect and whole. I believe that's correct! Then how can for example a disease be perfect? That seems like insanity.

Ra says that all is whole, complete and perfect. I haven't found information about why this is so yet. My idea is that the veil causes a lot of spiritual entropy which results in death, disease, disorder, conflict and suffering. And the veil is a necessary stage for the purpose of growth and development instead of some mistake.

Beautifully written and expressed.

Interesting dream, we do live in a "dream state" or as jafar said "a game". While reading your dream within the dream, you are awakening and starting a new dream of life, leaving the old behind (the little one).

[Anders]

If everything is connected, then how can there be separations? How can there be a veil? Alternative researcher Nassim Haramein said that everything is made of the vacuum energy of "empty" space. And Stephen Wolfram said that in their physics model, reality is made of space atoms. And those space atoms are not described so they could just be empty points I expect.

Ra said that everything is thought. And my view is that everything is relations and that all the relations are connected to each other, and that there are only relations! So for example a physical wall separates spaces yet the wall is a part of the same one space, and even the atoms in the wall are just structured space/relations/thought.

Even the soul can be separated in this way with a seeming blockage according to Gigi Young. I think of the individual soul as a unique and indestructible point of reference, so it can't be actually separate but yes the veil might include a seeming separation like the one Gigi describes in this video:

[Patrick]

If you want to study the veil in action within the same "person".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26468893/

[Anders]

I was listening to nonduality teacher Kenneth Madden and then it hit me, ouch, the "me" that experiences the veil is itself a part of the veil.

Of course Ra has already talked about how everything is one, but I hadn't reflected on myself as a part of the veil so clearly before.

[Anders]

Another thing about my lucid dream that I found interesting is that when I was led from one location to another by the small being - a short distance that felt like being infinite - about in the middle of the journey there was an elderly man to the right of me that looked like he had an intent to walk in front of me to cut me off.

I got slightly annoyed because of the man's behavior (which might have just been annoyance of my own interpretation). Only mild irritation and I was prepared to allow the man to cut me off. And then when I looked to the right at where the man was, he was suddenly being slowed down, going into a complete grinding halt as if time stood still for him.

Someone said that higher beings interact with us in our dreams. I think that's likely true because the lucid dream was so advanced and with more advanced feelings than in the waking state. The dream was maybe not related to the Lion's gate but I think at least it had something to do with the veil.

[Patrick]

More advanced feelings. That's interesting.

[Anders]

More advanced feelings. That's interesting.

Yes, maybe the more advanced feelings in some dreams are hints at higher density feelings! Often the feelings are of a more clear and higher alertness. And with more depth to them, such as in one dream there were two beings floating in the air above a deep canyon, and as I came closer to the precipice and looked down it was an immense feeling of a mixture of awe and fear. The vastness of the scenery was magnitudes larger than what is experienced in the waking state.

And in another dream I was flying through a city and was moving along a large street that went further into some other form of gated area. As I was approaching the gate, security personnel were waiving at me like "stop, stop" and I went moving past them at great speed and with incredible momentum, like my weight was thousands of tons. After a while I came to a stand still, and after waking up I thought, what heck was that?! Haha.

[Anders]

Sexuality is often demonized, downplayed or hidden in third density. Sadhguru said that 70% of the information on the internet is pornography. That indicates how powerful sexuality is and how suppressed it is in third density. And indeed, embarrassingly enough my lucid dream had one scene about sexuality where a woman had wet panties and after she took them off I put my index finger into her vagina, lol. My finger was held in a tight grip but it felt good and my finger became more healthy. That might have been an indication that sexuality has a greater and more healing power than we know about in third density.

Brian Scott has this recent interview with Ra Of Earth about sexuality and other related topics in relation to higher consciousness:

[meadow-foreigner]

Another thing spiritual teachers sometimes claim is that reality is already perfect and whole. I believe that's correct! Then how can for example a disease be perfect? That seems like insanity.

Ra says that all is whole, complete and perfect. I haven't found information about why this is so yet. My idea is that the veil causes a lot of spiritual entropy which results in death, disease, disorder, conflict and suffering. And the veil is a necessary stage for the purpose of growth and development instead of some mistake.

Beautifully written and expressed.

Interesting dream, we do live in a "dream state" or as jafar said "a game".  While reading your dream within the dream, you are awakening and starting a new dream of life, leaving the old behind (the little one).

It might be counter-intuitive from this illusion standpoint, but wherever there is life, there is also death and vice-versa.

So it really is life/death and death/life. Disease is a manifestation of life in itself, even though it might not be apparent at a first glance.

[Anders]

Morgue said recently that dreams have messages from our higher self. That makes sense! And Ra confirmed that our higher self is our future self. And I think that our future self also is a social memory complex. So our future social memory complex will pull us out of the veil I think.

[Patrick]

Since the veil is a 3d space/time phenomenon and that 3d is the shortest sub-octave, it really is just a question of time before the veil is pulled from anyone.

[Nikki]

Morgue said recently that dreams have messages from our higher self. That makes sense! And Ra confirmed that our higher self is our future self. And I think that our future self also is a social memory complex. So our future social memory complex will pull us out of the veil I think.

I watched this video and was impressed by a young being that appears to get it. Left a comment and gave an opinion that the next religion as love ... it was deleted. Guess I was wrong and this is a sure way of finding out.

[Nikki]

Sexuality is often demonized, downplayed or hidden in third density. Sadhguru said that 70% of the information on the internet is pornography. That indicates how powerful sexuality is and how suppressed it is in third density. And indeed, embarrassingly enough my lucid dream had one scene about sexuality where a woman had wet panties and after she took them off I put my index finger into her vagina, lol. My finger was held in a tight grip but it felt good and my finger became more healthy. That might have been an indication that sexuality has a greater and more healing power than we know about in third density.

Brian Scott has this recent interview with Ra Of Earth about sexuality and other related topics in relation to higher consciousness:

Watched this video and looked at it as another person sharing their perceptions of reality. It is interesting all these realities that are on YouTube, it all teaches more about the self.

[Nikki]

Just decided to check out if my posts are being deleted by Morgue and after posting on a couple sites that I subscribed to, believe that it is YouTube, I guess I am not liked much or is it feared because I speak the truth and always refer to love. Too bad for them, there is Karma, a universal law and send blessing to YouTube so that they may understand but always ask that the innocent be protected.

[Anders]

Gigi Young has criticized YouTube for having too much censorship. And I agree with her. I even had to watch one video on Odysee because she couldn't post it on YouTube. I also understand that it's tricky for YouTube where to draw the line, especially in today's "cancel culture" culture.

[Anders]

Our whole human civilization is a result of the veil. So it's extremely heavy since the veil is an artificial separation from wholeness which causes a lot of struggle and conflict. The veil produces a lot of spiritual entropy.

So not only is our personal selves a part of the veil, our whole society is! This is extremely burdensome. Ra mentioned somewhere that the heaviness in third density is useful for fast development seen from a cosmic perspective. Christ represents transcending the veil it seems, such as in this Bible quote:

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." - Matthew 11:28-30

The veil is the same I think as the "fall" in Christianity. And "sin" means missing the mark, missing the connection to wholeness. This shows the immensity of the veil. However, the veil is tiny compared to the rest of creation, so I believe and hope that it will be fairly easy to remove the veil by moving higher into the sub-densities of third density.

[Nikki]

Gigi Young has criticized YouTube for having too much censorship. And I agree with her. I even had to watch one video on Odysee because she couldn't post it on YouTube. I also understand that it's tricky for YouTube where to draw the line, especially in today's "cancel culture" culture.

Thank you for pointing to Gigi Young. I have watched a video and rings of truth from my own experiences. She appears as a beautiful being of light. It is worth watching as it applies to many questions that most have about Greys and Trans-humanism. This would also be a created veil for humanity. Very interesting and worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qDii4_ikuE

[Anders]

Is it enough as in Christianity to simply accept Jesus Christ as their savior and they will be saved? Yes! But in my opinion accepting Christ is the same as recognizing oneness, so it's the same in all religions and spiritual traditions.

It's enough according to my new idea to simply recognizing the veil and be open to the possibility of realizing oneness. The process is then automatic and leads to removing the veil. Maybe that was what my dream showed! After I had become lucid in the dream and tried to touch a wall to see how real it was, I was immediately and automatically transported out of the dream into the waking state.

[Nikki]

Is it enough as in Christianity to simply accept Jesus Christ as their savior and they will be saved? Yes! But in my opinion accepting Christ is the same as recognizing oneness, so it's the same in all religions and spiritual traditions.

It's enough according to my new idea to simply recognizing the veil and be open to the possibility of realizing oneness. The process is then automatic and leads to removing the veil. Maybe that was what my dream showed! After I had become lucid in the dream and tried to touch a wall to see how real it was, I was immediately and automatically transported out of the dream into the waking state.

The name of who is Jesus is not Jesus Christ. Christ is a state of consciousness that exists in every one of us - just some information you may find interesting. The story of Jesus
is the repeat of ancient writings, same story, just a different name.

[Anders]

Is it enough as in Christianity to simply accept Jesus Christ as their savior and they will be saved? Yes! But in my opinion accepting Christ is the same as recognizing oneness, so it's the same in all religions and spiritual traditions.

It's enough according to my new idea to simply recognizing the veil and be open to the possibility of realizing oneness. The process is then automatic and leads to removing the veil. Maybe that was what my dream showed! After I had become lucid in the dream and tried to touch a wall to see how real it was, I was immediately and automatically transported out of the dream into the waking state.

The name of who is Jesus is not Jesus Christ.  Christ is a state of consciousness that exists in every one of us - just some information you may find interesting.  The story of Jesus
is the repeat of ancient writings, same story, just a different name.

Yes, I heard recently that the Bacchus, the Roman god called Dionysus in Ancient Greece was very similar to Jesus Christ. So did Jesus exist as an actual historical person? I don't know, but the Christ symbology seems accurate to me as a description of oneness and higher densities. I even think of Christ as the Word made manifest as the total Logos for reality.

And to be "saved" I think of as an automatic process. Ra says something similar:

"Ra: I am Ra. Visualize, if you will, the particular energy which, outward flowing and inward coagulating ... This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour." - Law of One 9.4

[Anders]

In Christianity there is something called universalism, the claim that all humans will be saved.

"In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God.[1]" - Wikipedia

I'm an amateur when it comes to the Bible but when I looked up some texts I found that the claim of universalism can be seen as supported by the Bible. Then what about free will? Why the need to choose Christ as a personal savior? And what is the choice in the Law of One about? It may be that a personal choice is necessary yet that the choice must sooner or later inevitably happen, at least in mid 6th density according to Ra.

[Patrick]

In Christianity there is something called universalism, the claim that all humans will be saved.

"In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God.[1]" - Wikipedia

I'm an amateur when it comes to the Bible but when I looked up some texts I found that the claim of universalism can be seen as supported by the Bible. Then what about free will? Why the need to choose Christ as a personal savior? And what is the choice in the Law of One about? It may be that a personal choice is necessary yet that the choice must sooner or later inevitably happen, at least in mid 6th density according to Ra.

"ultimately be reconciled to God" is inevitable but it changes nothing to The Choice, freewill and karma. All these operate. Yet it changes nothing to the outcome. It changes everything to the experience of getting there though.

52.2 Questioner: Thank you. I think that possibly I am on an important point here because it seems to me that the great work in evolution is the discipline of personality, and it seems that we have two types of moving around the universe, one stemming from disciplines of personality, and the other stemming from what you call the slingshot effect. I won’t even get into the sub-light speeds because I don’t consider that too important. And I only consider this material important with respect to the fact that we are investigating discipline of the personality.

Does the use of the slingshot effect for travel, is that a what you might call an intellectual or a left brain type of involvement of understanding rather than a right brain type?

Ra: I am Ra. Your perception on this point is extensive. You penetrate the outer teaching. We prefer not to utilize the terminology of right and left brain due to the inaccuracies of this terminology. Some functions are repetitive or redundant in both lobes, and further, to some entities the functions of the right and left are reversed. However, the heart of the query is worth some consideration.

The technology of which you, as a social complex, are so enamored at this time is but the birthing of the manipulation of the intelligent energy of the sub-Logos which, when carried much further, may evolve into technology capable of using the gravitic effects of which we spoke. We note that this term is not accurate but there is no closer term.

Therefore, the use of technology to manipulate that outside the self is far, far less of an aid to personal evolution than the disciplines of the mind/body/spirit complex resulting in the whole knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm.

To the disciplined entity, all things are open and free. The discipline which opens the universes opens also the gateways to evolution. The difference is that of choosing either to hitchhike to a place where beauty may be seen or to walk, step by step, independent and free in this independence to praise the strength to walk and the opportunity for the awareness of beauty.

The hitchhiker, instead, is distracted by conversation and the vagaries of the road and, dependent upon the whims of others, is concerned to make the appointment in time. The hitchhiker sees the same beauty but has not prepared itself for the establishment, in the roots of mind, of the experience.

[jafar]

If everything is connected, then how can there be separations? How can there be a veil? Alternative researcher Nassim Haramein said that everything is made of the vacuum energy of "empty" space. And Stephen Wolfram said that in their physics model, reality is made of space atoms. And those space atoms are not described so they could just be empty points I expect.

Everything-ness and nothingness is infinite... in order to become finite a border is required.
Through the definition of border, one can start to define the 'is' and 'is not', thus a separation between 'is' and 'is-not' is created.

In context of consciousness then the separation of "me" and "not me" is created.
Through "not me" then "me" can be defined.

So for example a physical wall separates spaces yet the wall is a part of the same one space, and even the atoms in the wall are just structured space/relations/thought.

Wall is the 'border' which make the space to become 'finite'.
Through definition of 'wall' then 'not wall' can be defined and so does 'spaces inside the wall' and 'outside the wall'.

Even the soul can be separated in this way with a seeming blockage according to Gigi Young. I think of the individual soul as a unique and indestructible point of reference, so it can't be actually separate but yes the veil might include a seeming separation like the one Gigi describes in this video:

Soul is destructible, and it will eventually be destroyed.

By 'soul' here it refers to "Maya Kosha" (Virtual sheathing) the virtual wall that separate consciousness inside the soul (me) and outside the soul (others).

Soul has a beginning as thus it will have an end.
Physical body is only a layer of 'soul'.
Soul has many layers, each layer has it's own lifecycle.

Like a russian doll.


People say, when physical body lie dead, the soul lingers on.
That is true in the sense that the 'soul' is shedding a layer of it's sheathing.
And just like the russian doll, there's still another body, people often calls it as "Astral Body".
But this astral body is not eternal, it will meet it's end too.

A good explanation about the 'after life' of 'astral life'.


To experience slight separation of the 'consciousness' from the soul, from it's virtual sheathing there's a practical advice, start seeing yourself with 3rd person perspective, instead saying "I" try saying "He" to refer to your current identity, your current outer layer of soul.

[Anders]

What is the difference between an automatic process with events happening "as a clock strikes the hour" and a free will choice? I have come to see free will as our personal willpower. Without personal willpower we would experience ourselves as mindless robots.

And I think that's why Ra is so careful about preserving free will. Then what about nonduality teachings who claim that there is no free will? I believe they are correct too! So it becomes really tricky to reconcile these two seemingly contradictory claims.

The distinction I make is that personal willpower is free will, and the process of lifting us up into higher densities is an automatic process. At the most fundamental level they are the same One process of creation. And at that fundamental level the paradox is resolved. At our personal level there is the need to make the choice as an act through our personal willpower.

[Anders]

@jafar I couldn't find if Ra claims that the soul is destructible or indestructible. My model is of reality as an expanding web of relations. And a soul to me is an indestructible and changeless point in that web. Yet a soul is still "born" in a sense since each soul exists as a unique point within the web, some (older) souls closer to the beginning of the web and other (younger) souls further along in the expanding web. A soul can never die in my view since the expansion of the web is endless.

[jafar]

@jafar I couldn't find if Ra claims that the soul is destructible or indestructible. My model is of reality as an expanding web of relations. And a soul to me is an indestructible and changeless point in that web. Yet a soul is still "born" in a sense since each soul exists as a unique point within the web, some (older) souls closer to the beginning of the web and other (younger) souls further along in the expanding web. A soul can never die in my view since the expansion of the web is endless.

That's why one need to define exactly what 'soul' is.
I define soul as layers of 'virtual sheathing', maya kosha.

A wrapper for consciousness inside.
Just like each layer of the russian doll act as a sheathing / border between the air inside the doll, the air outside the doll and the air inside another russian doll.

Consciousness is indestructible, since it has no beginning in the first place, thus it shall have no end.

The metaphor for consciousness will be the air inside the russian doll, once the last layer of the doll is destroyed there is no way to define the 'air inside the doll' and 'the air outside the doll', the air will be liberated from the confinement of the doll and rejoin the all-ever-infinite borderless air. Back to the state when there was no doll.

[Nikki]

@jafar I couldn't find if Ra claims that the soul is destructible or indestructible. My model is of reality as an expanding web of relations. And a soul to me is an indestructible and changeless point in that web. Yet a soul is still "born" in a sense since each soul exists as a unique point within the web, some (older) souls closer to the beginning of the web and other (younger) souls further along in the expanding web. A soul can never die in my view since the expansion of the web is endless.

You may find this interesting. I have searched many definitions of what the soul is and its purpose or even if there is one. From what I understand the soul is part/maybe a particle of our consciousness that has made itself fit into the physical body - the physical mind. It is the unconsciousness that is often spoken about and is NOT often available to the physical being. When one becomes aware of its soul or the soul of another through Divine experience, it becomes who and what we truly are and the reflection is not always pleasant or of light. (Have experienced this). The physical being can veil us from what is called the soul or unconsciousness of self, our decisions can put the souls to sleep and cause it damage.

I would be very interested if one finds Ra's definition if one's finds it.

[Anders]

@jafar I couldn't find if Ra claims that the soul is destructible or indestructible. My model is of reality as an expanding web of relations. And a soul to me is an indestructible and changeless point in that web. Yet a soul is still "born" in a sense since each soul exists as a unique point within the web, some (older) souls closer to the beginning of the web and other (younger) souls further along in the expanding web. A soul can never die in my view since the expansion of the web is endless.

That's why one need to define exactly what 'soul' is.
I define soul as layers of 'virtual sheathing', maya kosha.

A wrapper for consciousness inside.
Just like each layer of the russian doll act as a sheathing / border between the air inside the doll, the air outside the doll and the air inside another russian doll.

Consciousness is indestructible, since it has no beginning in the first place, thus it shall have no end.

The metaphor for consciousness will be the air inside the russian doll, once the last layer of the doll is destroyed there is no way to define the 'air inside the doll' and 'the air outside the doll', the air will be liberated from the confinement of the doll and rejoin the all-ever-infinite borderless air. Back to the state when there was no doll.

I found this answer on Quora which supports your view more than mine. What I call soul is more like Atman, although I don't know if Atman can be "born" as I described the soul. Maybe I should just call it the individual self! Then there is less risk of redefining terms.

"The soul is a Biblical concept. The first reference is in Genesis 2.7, which I understand as God made human body from the dust and breathed life into it. That made the person a living soul. Most people say that therefore, the soul is the living body.

The biblical soul can be killed. “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10.28). “Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.” (Ezekiel 18.4)

In contrast, those who accept Jesus, their souls continue to live an eternal life after their physical death. I am not such good a student of the Bible that could give you a single verse (which probably does exist) that says this explicitly, but I have heard many pastors say this.

Atman is not the Soul. Unfortunately, many commentators have mistakenly translated the Atman as the soul. This has created a huge problem. I do not understand their fascination with Biblical words. To be honest, I have no real interest in the Bible. So, what is the Atman?

Atman is the indwelling spirit (also called the embodied one), which cannnot be killed. Shri Krishna said in the Bhagavad Gita

नैनं छिन्दन्ति शस्त्राणि नैनं दहति पावक: |
न चैनं क्लेदयन्त्यापो न शोषयति मारुत: || 2.23

देही नित्यमवध्योऽयं देहे सर्वस्य भारत |
तस्मात्सर्वाणि भूतानि न त्वं शोचितुमर्हसि || 2.30

It cannot be cut with weapons, cannot be burned in the fire, cannot be soaked in water, or cannot be dried with the wind. O Arjuna, the embodied one is unkillable and eternal, and is present in the bodies of all beings. Therefore, do not grieve for the death of all these beings." - What is the difference between Atma and Soul

[Anders]

Ouch, wait a minute. Here is says that the soul cannot die:

"From the first page of the Bible until the last, Scripture consistently teaches that humans have an immaterial part that will last forever. It is not possible for the soul, or spirit, to be destroyed. We will cite just a few examples of the biblical teaching on the subject. ...

The Scripture says the spirit, or soul, cannot be annihilated. Though the body may die, the spirit will live on. Death, therefore is not the end of conscious life. It is the separation of the body and the spirit. The spirit, however, lives on in another realm. The body is only the temporary residence of humans. Jesus said.

   "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28).

Destroy has the idea of punish, not annihilate. The destruction of the soul means separation from the life of God. Though living, the soul of the unbeliever has no connection whatsoever to God." - https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_...rt_102.cfm

That's the same as what Gigi Young said it seems to me. So I will stick to the term soul since it can be made compatible with Christianity.

[Anders]

Even before I learned about Ra being from Venus or about Gigi Young's teachings, I had the idea of a civilization on Venus. And in the Bible Jesus talks about giving the "victorious one" the morning star. So I very much believe Venus will play a part in removing the veil. Here is a new video from Gigi about Venus (maybe taken from a previous video):