Waking dreams/transportation to dream world when awake

[sillypumpkins]

Hi all,

This is something I have been experiencing for a while. I've asked around online and with friends/family, and no one really seems to relate.

I've experienced dreams that have felt very vivid and familiar. Dreams that have stuck with me for whatever reason. Generally, the ones that stick with me are ones where I am simply in a place. There's not a whole lot of action, I simply "am" in a dream, in a place that resonates with me on some level. These are typically the dreams where I experience the "waking transportation to the dream world" (I don't know how else to describe it.)

The experience seems to almost defy description. This isn't day dreaming.... it's not that I am meandering in my mind, recalling the setting/feeling of these dreams. It's happen on more than one level than just the mental, if that makes sense.

Again, it is difficult to explain the experience, but I will attempt to in this post.

The experience will happen at any moment, without warning and without any (obvious) trigger.

For example, I will be walking down the street and all of a sudden I am simply "there" in one of these dream worlds. It's like the physical world freezes and I am now in another realm. For all intents and purposes, "I" am no longer in the physical world when this occurs. However, I am still awake physiologically, it's not that I become unconscious and fall asleep when this happens.

These experiences will typically last 30-45 seconds at the most, and then "I" am back to the physical.

The first time I ever experienced this, I was on a high dose psilocybin mushrooms. This actually happens quite frequently when I take psychedelics (LSD or mushrooms.) When I experience this on psychedelics, it is typically way more intense and lasts longer.

Again, it is extremely difficult for me to explain this experience with words. However, I'm curious if anyone has any insights into what might be happening when this occurs, on the etheric/astral/etc level. Or if you can even relate to this. I haven't found anyone who can.....

[Spaced]

I haven't had the experience of stepping into the dream world during waking life, but I have something that is similar where I have sort of flashes of dream memory that seem to be triggered by what I'm experiencing. I don't lose perception of my surroundings, it's just like a sort of intrusive memory of places and things from my dreams.

[sillypumpkins]

I haven't had the experience of stepping into the dream world during waking life, but I have something that is similar where I have sort of flashes of dream memory that seem to be triggered by what I'm experiencing. I don't lose perception of my surroundings, it's just like a sort of intrusive memory of places and things from my dreams.

That sounds similar to my experience. It’s not as though I am in a lucid dream (as in, I don’t have control of my “self” when I’m in this state), but the feeling of “being there” is so tangible that I don’t know how else to describe it other than being transported.

Thanks for sharing spaced

[Spaced]

I'm not sure what causes this sort of experience. I had a reading with a psychic once who mentioned that I subconsciously interact with astral energies and experience bleed-through from that and I wonder if that's what these dream "memories" are.

[jafar]

Hi all,

This is something I have been experiencing for a while. I've asked around online and with friends/family, and no one really seems to relate.

I've experienced dreams that have felt very vivid and familiar. Dreams that have stuck with me for whatever reason. Generally, the ones that stick with me are ones where I am simply in a place. There's not a whole lot of action, I simply "am" in a dream, in a place that resonates with me on some level. These are typically the dreams where I experience the "waking transportation to the dream world" (I don't know how else to describe it.)

The experience seems to almost defy description. This isn't day dreaming.... it's not that I am meandering in my mind, recalling the setting/feeling of these dreams. It's happen on more than one level than just the mental, if that makes sense.

Again, it is difficult to explain the experience, but I will attempt to in this post.

The experience will happen at any moment, without warning and without any (obvious) trigger.

For example, I will be walking down the street and all of a sudden I am simply "there" in one of these dream worlds. It's like the physical world freezes and I am now in another realm. For all intents and purposes, "I" am no longer in the physical world when this occurs. However, I am still awake physiologically, it's not that I become unconscious and fall asleep when this happens.

These experiences will typically last 30-45 seconds at the most, and then "I" am back to the physical.

The first time I ever experienced this, I was on a high dose psilocybin mushrooms. This actually happens quite frequently when I take psychedelics (LSD or mushrooms.) When I experience this on psychedelics, it is typically way more intense and lasts longer.

Again, it is extremely difficult for me to explain this experience with words. However, I'm curious if anyone has any insights into what might be happening when this occurs, on the etheric/astral/etc level. Or if you can even relate to this. I haven't found anyone who can.....

I've experienced similar things as you've described, but for my case it happened whenever I'm sleeping or in deep meditation. People labeled such experience as "Astral Projection", and you can search around using such keyword to dig up more and read stories on how other people experienced such phenomenon.

I never and intentionally do not want to experience such thing during wakeful state, as it can be dangerous, such as when I need to concentrate on driving a car.

It seems maybe for your case since you've taken psychedelics, which I haven't and do not wish to do so, the 'plug' of 'consciousness projection' has starting to get 'loose', so to speak.

For me it usually started with 'seeing' while my eyes closed, either on sleep or in meditation.

Initially the environment is similar to the physical world, and I know I'm in such state when I can start to leave my physical body.

Afterwards it depends on our 'vibrational level' during such time, when it's high then the environment starting to change to something beautiful, when it's low then the environment will be gloomier.

When I'm such state I can literally teleport / fly to any time/space context that I wish to, communicate with any beings that I encountered using telepathy. I can even become 'a tree' or 'a rock' and see how the 'life' experience from their perspective.

After doing some research it seems that what happened is the 'consciousness' is temporarily projecting it's focus not on the physical body but to the other layers of the body. The explanation from Yogic tradition about 5 layers of body is adequate to give some explanation to what I've experienced.
https://www.doyou.com/understanding-the-...s-of-self/

I first realize that this is not merely my imagination or my brain went havoc when I saw Jurgen Ziewe's video about his own experience.
https://youtu.be/p998pkuUZxY
Because I saw the exact same scenery to what he has described and visualized using paintings and computer graphics.

So yes you're definitely not alone on experiencing the phenomenon...

[tadeus]

I've experienced similar things as you've described, but for my case it happened whenever I'm sleeping or in deep meditation. People labeled such experience as "Astral Projection", and you can search around using such keyword to dig up more and read stories on how other people experienced such phenomenon.

I never and intentionally do not want to experience such thing during wakeful state, as it can be dangerous, such as when I need to concentrate on driving a car.

It seems maybe for your case since you've taken psychedelics, which I haven't and do not wish to do so, the 'plug' of 'consciousness projection' has starting to get 'loose', so to speak.

For me it usually started with 'seeing' while my eyes closed, either on sleep or in meditation.

Initially the environment is similar to the physical world, and I know I'm in such state when I can start to leave my physical body.

When I'm such state I can literally teleport / fly to any time/space context that I wish to, communicate with any beings that I encountered using telepathy. I can even become 'a tree' or 'a rock' and see how the 'life' experience from their perspective.

After doing some research it seems that what happened is the 'consciousness' is temporarily projecting it's focus not on the physical body but to the other layers of the body.

Your description fits better to the experience that i name the observer, but always being awake.
The 'consciousness' is temporarily projecting it's focus on animals, plants or general other densities.
It is addtional possible to go into a certain time or experiences in the past in your life, and analyze them in real time again.
Usually it is accompanied by a certain smell, that can give a complex feeling or remembrance.

All this works really spontaneous without any drugs.

Besides, it is possible to drive a car without 'consciousness' and give the control simply to your friendly spirits.

[Sacred Fool]

I first realize that this is not merely my imagination or my brain went havoc when I saw Jurgen Ziewe's video about his own experience.
https://youtu.be/p998pkuUZxY
Because I saw the exact same scenery to what he has described and visualized using paintings and computer graphics.

 
This is a lovely and inspiring video.  The speaker's equipoise and depth of inner experience is quite admirable.
 

[jafar]

The 'consciousness' is temporarily projecting it's focus on animals, plants or general other densities.
It is addtional possible to go into a certain time or experiences in the past in your life, and analyze them in real time again.

Or in 'future time context'.
And "I" am in different identity / avatar.

Plus in order to really 'analyze' them or the more appropriate word should be 'balanced out' the experience a proper dis-identification is appropriate. Thus I am the one observing him/her/it's experience although I am experiencing it in 1st person perspective.

Besides, it is possible to drive a car without 'consciousness' and give the control simply to your friendly spirits.

I wouldn't recommend that due to sometimes the 'experience' can be quite intense thus 'landing the consciousness back' to the avatar who is in a middle of critical task such as driving a car might cause an instantaneous jerky movement.

[tadeus]

Or in 'future time context'.
And "I" am in different identity / avatar.

Plus in order to really 'analyze' them or the more appropriate word should be 'balanced out' the experience a proper dis-identification is appropriate. Thus I am the one observing him/her/it's experience although I am experiencing it in 1st person perspective.

Yes that is true.
This state can have many different 'modes' with the possibility of many different experiences.
One of it is to explore the "I am".

Normally i get into such a state when the Ego and Higher Self is in harmony.
So it is not felt as an different identity, it's more to go into an neutral position beyond the Ego like an observer.
And the 'mode' is not the analyzing of the "I am" and instead the exploring of surrounding beings.

This projection into plants and animals is described by Rudolf Steiner as exercise for an adept.

I wouldn't recommend that due to sometimes the 'experience' can be quite intense thus 'landing the consciousness back' to the avatar who is in a middle of critical task such as driving a car might cause an instantaneous jerky movement.

Of course - it was a onetime experience, but without any fear or problem.

[jacrob]

I haven't had the experience of stepping into the dream world during waking life, but I have something that is similar where I have sort of flashes of dream memory that seem to be triggered by what I'm experiencing. I don't lose perception of my surroundings, it's just like a sort of intrusive memory of places and things from my dreams.

I think experience something like this...I am doing whatever and suddenly remember a dream I had the previous night. But I had no memory of this dream until that waking moment hours after the actual dream. 

this link describes it somewhat https://youtu.be/MOfs9BhETTI

[jafar]

Normally i get into such a state when the Ego and Higher Self is in harmony.
So it is not felt as an different identity, it's more to go into an neutral position beyond the Ego like an observer.
And the 'mode' is not the analyzing of the "I am" and instead the exploring of surrounding beings.

This projection into plants and animals is described by Rudolf Steiner as exercise for an adept.

My experience of conversing with higher self is really conversing with myself.
But he/she/it always appears with different 'avatars' never appears with the same appearance twice, perhaps a message that 'this' avatar is just one avatar among many of my / our avatars. Some of those avatars looks weird, thus I'm not sure that it's even human and I have no words to describe it, never seen it before.

We share the same style of communication and also share the same style of humor.
Sometimes a distinctive humor mentioning an event which I've experienced, convincing me that this 'other person' that I'm communicating with at the very least knew every detailed events that happened in my current life.

There are occasions however when I see both my current physical appearance/avatars and other avatars from truly 3rd person perspective. So I'm witnessing both 'current me' and 'other me' from neutral 3rd person perspective. That's what makes me to conclude that I'm actually a point of view.
Like moving around in Google Earth, move the mouse left up right down, zoom in to an avatar's perspective or zoomed out to have 3rd person perspective.

[tadeus]

My experience of conversing with higher self is really conversing with myself.
But he/she/it always appears with different 'avatars' never appears with the same appearance twice, perhaps a message that 'this' avatar is just one avatar among many of my / our avatars. Some of those avatars looks weird, thus I'm not sure that it's even human and I have no words to describe it, never seen it before.

We share the same style of communication and also share the same style of humor.
Sometimes a distinctive humor mentioning an event which I've experienced, convincing me that this 'other person' that I'm communicating with at the very least knew every detailed events that happened in my current life.

There are occasions however when I see both my current physical appearance/avatars and other avatars from truly 3rd person perspective. So I'm witnessing both 'current me' and 'other me' from neutral 3rd person perspective. That's what makes me to conclude that I'm actually a point of view.
Like moving around in Google Earth, move the mouse left up right down, zoom in to an avatar's perspective or zoomed out to have 3rd person perspective.

Hmm - so you are talking about something like a soliloquy with your higher self?

It's not really clear what you mean with the 'avatar'?
Is it like a picture of the body / appearance or the character?

I have no visual picture of my higher self, it is mostly a feeling of being in harmony or there is no really 'communication'.
So i am talking about elemental pictures as described by Anastasia.

The observer stands outside the physical body like making a astral projection, that sees every matter on earth as what it is - an illusion - an vehicle / environment.
In this moment it is not clear who it is and it doesn't matter, because it is pure perception.

[Nikki]

Time is an illusion and is used as a point in experiences. Have you noticed lately that time is different, it just don't seem to exist when one is living and experiencing the now. Time is different in each density and experienced differently. Many have noticed that difference in time that they once experienced, there seems to not be
enough of it. Love it all.

[jafar]

Hmm - so you are talking about something like a soliloquy with your higher self?

It's not really clear what you mean with the 'avatar'?
Is it like a picture of the body / appearance or the character?

Avatar is an 'identity construct', things that can be used as limit / border definition for 'me' and things that can be referred or recognized as 'you', 'he', 'she', 'it', 'them'.

Some people uses the word 'body' for it.
There are indeed many layers of 'bodies' or 'identity construct' as correctly mentioned by Yogic tradition.
Physical body, mind body, astral body, mental body, bliss body.
And all of it are virtual (Sanskrit: Maya)
I knew it's true, because I've experienced 'shifting' through those layers of 'identity construct' or as yogic calls it 'virtual sheathing' (Maya Kosha).

Another example of 'avatar' or 'identity construct' is of course webforum avatar, like jafar.'
Once logged in to bring4th then there is another 'virtual sheathing', "Webforum Maya Kosha" or the 'webforum virtual sheathing'. When jafar is 'dead' (killed by admin or self-disabled) then the physical body virtual sheathing still remain intact.
And the process went along the same manner through the other layer.

I have no visual picture of my higher self, it is mostly a feeling of being in harmony or there is no really 'communication'.
So i am talking about elemental pictures as described by Anastasia.

You don't have to, it just one way of manifestation.
The way of saying "Hey i do exist, and I am you, and you are limited identification construct of me, beside you we also have many others identity construct / avatars, here I show you, let's meet and greet some of them! or should I say some of us!"

The observer stands outside the physical body like making a astral projection, that sees every matter on earth as what it is - an illusion - an vehicle / environment.

That's the reason why I use the Role Playing Game metaphor a lot.
It's the closest metaphor.
Logging in to RPG game and assuming an avatar with a body.

When a body is dead well just respawn and choose your spawning point in space and time and assume another body.
Or start over by creating another avatar.
No longer interested in the RPG game? Everything in the game has become boring?
Let's permanently logged out from the game thus disabling the avatar(s).

[jafar]

Time is an illusion and is used as a point in experiences.

Yes, time is illusion, space is illusion and even identity is illusion.
Similar to time, space and identity in a role playing game.
Choose your spawning location, time / period and identity.. and there you go... logged in back into the game.
Have fun experiencing the game!

[tadeus]

That's the reason why I use the Role Playing Game metaphor a lot.
It's the closest metaphor.
Logging in to RPG game and assuming an avatar with a body.

When a body is dead well just respawn and choose your spawning point in space and time and assume another body.
Or start over by creating another avatar.
No longer interested in the RPG game? Everything in the game has become boring?
Let's permanently logged out from the game thus disabling the avatar(s).

O.K. I would say that you use 'avatar' as possible incarnation character, that is represented by the Ego, gender and so on, of the incarnated body.

The example of a game character is good, to show this in a shorter period of time, including the influence of free will in this role.

[jafar]

Avatar is just another instance of 'identity construct'.
And body is also another instance of 'identity construct'.

Yogic tradition uses the word "Maya Kosha" for 'identity construct', which is a very good name, because it means "Virtual Sheathing" or "Virtual Wrapping".

Wrapping what? Consciousness.

jafar is a 'maya kosha' and so does tadeus, they're avatars in bring4th universe.
Although they might not share the same '1st degree higher self'.
What is '1st degree higher self'? Let me explain..

Let's say the 'consciousness' behind jafar decided to create another avatar in bring4th, let's named her Megumi.
The same consciousness wrapped within the same 'upper maya kosha' (human physical body) now shifting it's identification back and forth between jafar and Megumi.
Then one can witness the 'illusion' of separation of jafar and Megumi especially when both are involved in a heated argument in bring4th. Yet those 'separation' are merely an illusion and the 'argument' was actually a monolog.

From the perspective of jafar and Megum the entity, ie:i the 'upper maya kosha' (unit of consciousness wrapped in human physical body) is their '1st degree higher self'.

Expanding the illusion the '1st degree higher self' also created "Richard", "Stephanie", "Dikembe", "Kim Song Nam" in bring4th.
Since there is no 'memory isolation' between those avatars / identity construct, we can say that they are already one Social Memory Complex in bring4th, sharing the same 1st degree higher self, sharing the same 'higher identity', 'higher maya kosha'.

The same thing happened upward on the maya kosha layer, human physical body, mind body, astral body, mental body, bliss body.
Human body is dead, astral body still intact. it can merge with it's higher self, thus dissolving the astral maya kosha or assume another physical body, might be human might not be human (ie: alien) this option will add another layer of maya kosha to the maya kosha.

The conception of "Liberation", "8th density", "Mokhsa", "Nirvana", "The return of prodigal son to the Father's house", is when the last layer of maya kosha is penetrated and disbanded. Thus everything become 'Me" through becoming "No Thing". The consciousness wrapped in maya kosha will then reunite with the infinite / boundless consciousness and awakened to full realization of "I am the infinite creator".

From this perspective it can be clearly seen and experienced that all koshas, all identities thus the separation is merely an illusion (Maya).

all things are one, that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity.
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.
This is the Law of One.

Or in the word of Neale Donald Walsch;
Everyone will eventually realize that there is only one person in the room.

[tadeus]

From this perspective it can be clearly seen and experienced that all koshas, all identities thus the separation is merely an illusion (Maya).

all things are one, that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity.
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.
This is the Law of One.

Or in the word of Neale Donald Walsch;
Everyone will eventually realize that there is only one person in the room.

Thank you for your explanation.
It's an interesting alternate view.

[jafar]

Thank you for your explanation.
It's an interesting alternate view.

You're welcomed, the explanation above is merely a 'catalyst', a 'trigger'.
For you (or anyone) to start questioning / pondering about it's authenticity.
Once questioning / pondering started, an answer will come.

Neale Donald Walsch performed similar method, he asked the question to himself, and the answer also come from himself.

Since before time and space were, the Tao is.
It is beyond is and is not.
How do I know this is true?
I look inside myself and see
-- Tao The Ching, Chapter 21

[unity100]

However, I'm curious if anyone has any insights into what might be happening when this occurs

I think you already have your answer:

The first time I ever experienced this, I was on a high dose psilocybin mushrooms. This actually happens quite frequently when I take psychedelics (LSD or mushrooms.)

Very likely subconscious illusions, stuff, maybe possibly experiences from other lifetimes and so on. When you use substances to go into subconscious and connect to the deeper roots of the mind, telling what's what is pretty difficult. That's why it should be done via meditation and actually living the life ahead of you.

[Quincunx]

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[tadeus]

That's interesting Quincunx.

I have not the ability to look through the veil in such a way.

[IndigoSalvia]

Q, follow your intuition, your resonance, dear friend, like bread crumbs? Sounds that you are pulled to ask that question, so perhaps you sense a kinship?

When it comes to my own conceptualizing higher density beings, whether my spirit family or otherwise, I find the lines get blurry as we approach Oneness. I haven't quite gotten a grasp of it. Instead, I sense "kinship" or "family."

I have had a sense of bleed-through, is the best word to describe it: where I am in my waking life, and I am struck with a sense of synchronicity or something akin to deja vu between my waking and dream life. For just a brief moment, it feels like I'm literally standing between the two worlds: dream life and waking life.

[omcasey]

Sorry. I have to bump. I want to read this later today.

[flofrog]

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I have had a sense of bleed-through, is the best word to describe it: where I am in my waking life, and I am struck with a sense of synchronicity or something akin to deja vu between my waking and dream life. For just a brief moment, it feels like I'm literally standing between the two worlds: dream life and waking life.

Same here,

[Eddie]

The situation described in the original post happened to me on a number of occasions when I was a child. It was as if there was no barrier between "dreaming" and "waking" states. Until I hit puberty I could remember every dream I'd had since about the age of 5 or 6, and could replay them in my head in detail, just like watching a movie.

As an adult, this merging (or confusion) of dreaming and waking only happens upon waking, usually for a very brief period.

[sillypumpkins]

I have had a sense of bleed-through, is the best word to describe it: where I am in my waking life, and I am struck with a sense of synchronicity or something akin to deja vu between my waking and dream life. For just a brief moment, it feels like I'm literally standing between the two worlds: dream life and waking life.

This sounds closer to what I'm describing! Like i have a foot in each realm

[Diana]

I remember in one of the Seth books—can't remember which—that shorter periods of sleep mixed with waking is better for thinning the veil between the two, and long periods of sleep (the suggested 8 hours for example) with long waking makes it more difficult to let go of either and creates more separation between the two (I'm paraphrasing but that is the jist).

I think this is evident when one naps, or if you wake in the morning and snooze again before getting up. It is often that dreams during those short periods are easier to recall and may be very vivid and real.

[pat19989]

The veil between the astral plane and our physical reality is extremely thin, barely existent really.

I recently had some uncomfortable experiences with the closeness of these planes during some sleepless nights in which I was just terrified of everything, and thus falling asleep. That is besides the point, but essentially, my body at a certain point began going to sleep while my mind was not having it so I felt my astral body lifting and tingling and it terrified the s*** out of me hahah as I was in a very reactive state.

Consciousness is so mysterious

[sillypumpkins]

I recently had some uncomfortable experiences with the closeness of these planes during some sleepless nights in which I was just terrified of everything, and thus falling asleep. That is besides the point, but essentially, my body at a certain point began going to sleep while my mind was not having it so I felt my astral body lifting and tingling and it terrified the s*** out of me hahah as I was in a very reactive state.

I've experienced sleep paralysis a lot in my life. It can feel freaky, especially when there's shadow people standing over you!!

One time, I wanted to consciously astral project. So I did the whole thing, ignored all the itches on my face, and pretty soon my being started SHAKING like nothing I had ever experienced. It freaked the hell out of me and I haven't tried again since!