Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure

[Izzy]

Greetings seekers of the truth. I recently replied to the china disclosure of aliens thred. But I must now start this thread and would like comments on the letter sent to President Obama in Jan 09. You can find this letter on the web site at this address
disclosureproject.org The letter is under the link at the top of the page Presidental breifing
If you read the the whole site you will find out that this information was sent or hand delivered to all in congress/senate also.
What do you believe?

[Crimson]

Izzy, I mean no disrespect and I like your posts very much, so full of positivity and such a nice feeling of fresh air...However...

I find very unclear what are the motives of Dr Steven Greer (hahahahah he says he is a doctor on almost every paragraph he writes about himself...apparently he was an ER doc and "therefore" he is an authority on everything)...

As far I can remember from a few years ago, he states that ALL aliens are benevolent...In his circle of "friends" he mentions Rockefeller, CIA director (he was invited once to a preivate dinner he says if I remember well...) But what it cracked me up and let me laughing on the floor for days and days was his book "Contact" (I believe it was)...hahahahhahahah
It was so full of it...I mean this is a classic...the guy only talks about himself...classic narcissistic personality disorder. I mean he claims he could bring UFOS to him (or to his seminar attendants --after a fee of course..at will...I think it was something like "feeling" the presence after all...I think on that book he also claimed to fly or walk on water or something like that...of course after almost what it seems on every paragraph saying " I am a doctor" hahahahhahah!

I don't think psychologists or psychiatrists in general are very sharp...at least when they play those roles...I mean these "disciplines" in their current state only serve to maintain the status quo (c'mon why greed or hoarding money is not included in the DSM IV? (is it IV nowadays?... they used to include homosexuality on DSM III if I remember)...Pretty much the individual is blamed for any problems but no mention of societal or economic systems ...well maybe your parents they say..but that's it...but man....this book was the epitome of someone aspiring to STS...or what DSM IV classifies as Narcicisstic Personality DO...hahhaa I had such a good time.

Anyway, after reading part of that book (I think I could read only not even half of it..) I dismissed this disclosure project as being just desinfo.

[zenmaster]

wow. someone needs to chillax

[Crimson]

Nah I'm fine thank you for your "concern".

[Izzy]

Crimson, I agree alot with what you say about Greer. I dont like his "I'm a doctor " either but I like it that someone is trying to get to the truth. The interviews from professional military pilots ,air traffic controls, air line piolts, how do all these [ he has 150+ professions] fall into this project? Do they make money or fame from this? Do you shoot the messenger because he is a little stange? And he talks of dinner with CIA Director, all I Can say is, Where do whistle blowers come from? Why is it that people that do negitive work can't see the light and change? And since changing my life after reading the Ra sessions I have been laughed at for tring to get others to see the light. That when am I going to go into trance? But same person cant get enough about alien aircraft and abduction. I Think that the letter he sends to all in Congress/Senate/President is long over due. I'm sure he has ALOT of people laugh at him and snicker.But does that mean he's wrong? I'm into Nicola Tesla and am amazed at people that laugh at what he was doing, that he was a crack pot yet no one ever loked at his inventions and just wrote him off too. And after you read something profound [Ra sessions] do you snicker at the channel or do you look to the truth being channeled? I personly have had people snicker at me because I recount the nite I seen something that couldnt be explained by our way of thinking and view of the universe. But I still look for the truth in all.

[Ens Entium]

Greetings seekers of the truth. I recently replied to the china disclosure of aliens thred. But I must now start this thread and would like comments on the letter sent to President Obama in Jan 09. You can find this letter on the web site at this address
disclosureproject.org The letter is under the link at the top of the page Presidental breifing
If you read the the whole site you will find out that this information was sent or hand delivered to all in congress/senate also.
What do you believe?

I too, mean no disrespect. I appreciate the intention actually.

I invite to read this quick article on Greer, Bearden, and others and their connection with Craddock engineering, an oil company.

So here's the other side of the coin:

http://www.whale.to/b/subversion_of_alte...nergy.html

The Discolsure Project effects have been disproportionate to its size and the moneys that it gets.

There won't be disclosure until governments (US in particular) can confidently predict that the population will handle it comfortably. The Discolsure Project has not taken steps in this direction. Greer's featuring on worldpuja radio does not qualify as public. Neither does the rest of the preaching to the converted that is done.

I'm not attacking him personally, i dont know him- he may be a nice guy. Neither am i saying that he doesn't actually contact ETs.

Sorry if this comes across in any negative way.. really.

Stay well brother

[unity100]

the disclosure is not about governments not trusting their public. its more about strategic secrecy.

see, usa and russia (and maybe a few more) countries have tesla vehicles.

if there is an exposure, eventually attention will be concentrated on these vehicles, and eventually people will discern that some ufos belong to some governments.

this will open three can of worms as far as governments and the private interests are concerned :

first, it will bring about free energy. energy will be free, the govts and their private interest backers will lose control of energy, and corporations will lose profit.

second, it will cause all other governments to go for tesla vehicles and devices. it will be rather dangerous. also, these governments who monopolize them now will lose the edge - tesla devices pretty much negate all kinds of military equipment.

third, it will cause public to question why this was kept away from people, despite there were so many needs that could be fulfilled by tesla devices and free energy. public will bounce on the people who kept that away from themselves. these people are probably still alive, or in their death throes as of this date. however, those who continued the policy of withholding are still alive and probably well, if we judge by the timeline.

[Ens Entium]

the disclosure is not about governments not trusting their public. its more about strategic secrecy.

see, usa and russia (and maybe a few more) countries have tesla vehicles.

if there is an exposure, eventually attention will be concentrated on these vehicles, and eventually people will discern that some ufos belong to some governments.

this will open three can of worms as far as governments and the private interests are concerned :

first, it will bring about free energy. energy will be free, the govts and their private interest backers will lose control of energy, and corporations will lose profit.

second, it will cause all other governments to go for tesla vehicles and devices. it will be rather dangerous. also, these governments who monopolize them now will lose the edge - tesla devices pretty much negate all kinds of military equipment.

third, it will cause public to question why this was kept away from people, despite there were so many needs that could be fulfilled by tesla devices and free energy. public will bounce on the people who kept that away from themselves. these people are probably still alive, or in their death throes as of this date. however, those who continued the policy of withholding are still alive and probably well, if we judge by the timeline.

I get what you're saying... my link is to an article concerning alternative energy, but i linked it just to show the greer-craddock engineering connection, as an extra bit of info about greer and what that means for the rest of what he's doing.

I really get what you saying about disclosure of alternate energy devices, and i agreee. I'm sorry if my putting that link there made it seem like i was getting at something else but now you know why i linked that one, hehe, sorry

And to say again, with a little more clarity

There won't be disclosure {about ET's} until governments (US in particular) can confidently predict that the population will handle it comfortably.

This is just ET disclosure , nothing else.

[zenmaster]

If energy is free, then global transportation is ultimately free, for example. There is no arguing that the current lack of mobility prevents the ad hoc, instantaneous delivery of harmful materials on a moments whim, by any unethical individual.

I see massively increased freedom, leisure, welfare, etc. but no solutions to prevent those unethical actions that would be greatly aided by 'free-energy' technology.

[Ens Entium]

By ET disclosure i mean something along the lines of

"ETs are here, even in our solar system, around the earth, etc. We covered it up for reasons of social stability"

That kinda thing... I'll say that i suspect that when it does eventually come around it'll probably be accepted as a matter of fact. Meaning the informational environment will facilitate that. Possibly in the form of further religious support and education about this (obviously a lot more than the Vatican's feeler interview), astronomical information, more release of govt documents about air force sightings and such.. all of this covered (to whatever degree) by MSM..

[Izzy]

Ens Entium, this I have never seen. I just read your link and it is eye opening to say the least. But that is also why i posed the question. I have been trying to find the truth. And once agian I must re examine what looks to be dis information.The internet is full of it. But this by no way stops me of my belief of Alien aircraft and the search for the truth. And your reply was in no way negative, how could it be if you are only trying to spead the truth. Is there more out there I have missed if so please enlighten me. I seek the truth.
Do you believe in Alien aircraft and beings visting the planet?

[Ens Entium]

Ens Entium, this I have never seen. I just read your link and it is eye opening to say the least. But that is also why i posed the question. I have been trying to find the truth. And once agian I must re examine what looks to be dis information.The internet is full of it. But this by no way stops me of my belief of Alien aircraft and the search for the truth. And your reply was in no way negative, how could it be if you are only trying to spead the truth. Is there more out there I have missed if so please enlighten me. I seek the truth.
Do you believe in Alien aircraft and beings visting the planet?

Thanks friend, , i was concerned, is see you're new to forums and did not want you feel discouraged in any way.

I must say, that article was an eye-opener for me too! I am still open to that being disinfo too, unlikely though, the author seems reliable. This becomes mores o the case when you go throught the rest of his material. But, as you say, in the spirit of seeking truth, one must always be willing to consider that which opposes.
I applaud you for your open approach, Gracias amigo!

I certainly believe in alien spacecraft and beings visiting this planet..

[zenmaster]

"ETs are here, even in our solar system, around the earth, etc. We covered it up for reasons of social stability"

No one can take responsibility for a cover up.

Also 'disclosure' means different things to different people. Like 'global warming'. After all, what is an 'ET'? And why is your depiction of the ET the correct or truthful one? Rightfully, suspicion would be high. People would get angry due to failed projections. They would reject the authoritative depictions as lies or misunderstandings.

You can acclimatize society to the prospect of ET life all you want. People would not so much be overcoming an acceptance to the reality of ET existence and presence, but struggling or paralyzed with the depth of reality of the ET's meaning and purpose.

[Izzy]

Ens Entium, just went back to link and found homepage of Steven J Smith and have not seen this before.This will be some interesting reading to say the least. But I must also say I think I will read from now on with a grain of salt.Not to believe or disbelieve, but to file that info away untill that time I can confirm or discount. The internet can be a drag on the search for the truth just as it can be an eye opener. thanks for your replys.

[Ens Entium]

"ETs are here, even in our solar system, around the earth, etc. We covered it up for reasons of social stability"

No one can take responsibility for a cover up.

I'm not sayin they'll accept responsibilty. Admitting that the govt you work for once upon a time did these things is not saying that you're are responsible for the entire cover-up. I see that i maybe should not have used the word 'we'. Would you be happy if 'we' replaced that word with 'it was'?

Also 'disclosure' means different things to different people. Like 'global warming'. After all, what is an 'ET'? And why is your depiction of the ET the correct or truthful one? Rightfully, suspicion would be high. People would get angry due to failed projections. They would reject the authoritative depictions as lies or misunderstandings.

I never said anything about disclosure of other issues. All i'm talking about is a formal admission of their presence and of the cover-up. ET disclosure does not need to involve global warming, earth history, etc Also, i'm not saying the admission of the cover-up will necessarily come with the admission of ET presence. The public might force that admission. Again, i didn't say there would be depictions and that they will be claimed as truthful.

You can acclimatize society to the prospect of ET life all you want. People would not so much be overcoming an acceptance to the reality of ET existence and presence, but struggling or paralyzed with the depth of reality of the ET's meaning and purpose.

Are you saying that people's mind will not explore those questions as the reality slowly comes into plain view for them? I think it will. Who knows.. a statement might be made like 'their intentions, as far as we are able to determine, are to observe'. I think that once people accept the presence, questions about purpose can follow, and certainly a variety of answers will come, but they'll obviously be moderated with people's reality on earth. There is no cause for extreme alarm or confusion as to their intentions.

[Crimson]

Crimson, I agree alot with what you say about Greer. I dont like his "I'm a doctor " either but I like it that someone is trying to get to the truth. The interviews from professional military pilots ,air traffic controls, air line piolts, how do all these [ he has 150+ professions] fall into this project? Do they make money or fame from this? Do you shoot the messenger because he is a little stange? And he talks of dinner with CIA Director, all I Can say is, Where do whistle blowers come from? Why is it that people that do negitive work can't see the light and change? And since changing my life after reading the Ra sessions I have been laughed at for tring to get others to see the light. That when am I going to go into trance? But same person cant get enough about alien aircraft and abduction. I Think that the letter he sends to all in Congress/Senate/President is long over due. I'm sure he has ALOT of people laugh at him and snicker.But does that mean he's wrong? I'm into Nicola Tesla and am amazed at people that laugh at what he was doing, that he was a crack pot yet no one ever loked at his inventions and just wrote him off too. And after you read something profound [Ra sessions] do you snicker at the channel or do you look to the truth being channeled? I personly have had people snicker at me because I recount the nite I seen something that couldnt be explained by our way of thinking and view of the universe. But I still look for the truth in all.

Just for clarification I believe the book I was referring to was "Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowledge"...I stopped paying attention to these "researchers" after doing some more research of my own...

I agree with your post and it is very insightful. It is just I find reflexions of NPD (Narcissism) very funny and that American Psychiatry has this as a disorder in their manual (basically used to bill insurance with their codes...and to create little colored pills) is it very telling (although it is "just a disorder" thrown in the same pile as hundreds of others...That psychiatry is able to bury one of the paths to polarization into a big pile of (sometimes) "nothingness" is very telling to me.

Because NPD (although obviously with degrees --like STO) is the very definition of service to self (of course with the psychiatric undertone that our society is perfect, authority is always right and all is well except you --and this also reflects on official medicine, school sytems, anyways...the works...). It is indeed a spiritual DO (disorder). Although it is the right path for some. Sometimes "pathologic" ie:extreme? Since apparently extreme an STS person really would think you are just an "extension/object" of his/herself like an arm or something...

I found this intriguing:

http://forum2.aimoo.com/NARCISSISTICPERS...95293.html

I am just giving my opinion on this book...I guess you can read plenty of reviews at amazon, etc...

Your post reminded me of all this. That book reminded me of this theme. Sorry that I got the name of the book wrong.

[native]

I have to disagree with you Crimson on Greer being someone who is purposely presenting disinfo. But who knows, I could be wrong! There are two situations here as I see it:

1. Greer has his beliefs about there only being benevolent ET's because that's what he has been told and exposed to.

2. Or perhaps it is the opposite, and his purpose is to present certain information out there without scaring the living hell out of people. How do you approach the average person with the biggest hidden truth of our existence? It's not easy.

I think Greer has a role to play, and the fact that there are negative entities is simply not in his script. If you want to get a frightened animal (close-minded purposely conditioned fear-based humans) out of a hole, you don't stand outside yelling and screaming. You have to be gentle.

Awakening is a process isn't it? You can't be exposed to it all at once. Once people are awakened and come out of their metaphorical holes, they can start looking around at other information for the bigger picture. Greer is someone who is more of a starting point. These roles are important and have to be played.

[Spectrum]

Well, I'm going to stay safe and not form an opinion on the disclosure movement just yet, I think it's too early to tell. Just the religious ramifications alone are going to be quite a handful.

Fortunately I missed Greer completely, and from what I have heard about him it's probably a good thing - very much Crimson and Derek's observations, amongst others elsewhere. He's apparently gone off the other end, 'intentionally' attracting ridicule.

At least we know the subject is 'definitely' enjoying attention in the upper echelons of power:



Hillary Clinton with Laurance Rockefeller at the JY Ranch, Jackson Hole, WY, August 21, 1995



Hillary Clinton with Laurance Rockefeller at the JY Ranch, Jackson Hole, WY, August 21, 1995



Hillary Clinton with Laurance Rockefeller at the JY Ranch, Jackson Hole, WY, August 21, 1995



Close-up of the book that Mrs. Clinton is carrying





It took some time but researcher Tonio Cousyn was able to determine the book is Are We Alone: Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life by Paul Davies



President Clinton with Laurance Rockefeller at the White House, May 23, 1995

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Sane people whose research can be followed in this regard are Richard Dolan - www.keyholepublishing.com and Stephen Bassett - www.paradigmresearchgroup.org

[native]

Ha. Great find..I've never seen that.

[Ens Entium]

Ha. Great find..I've never seen that.

Yes! Thanks Spectrum!
The picture analysis on the book is very Hollywood..

Fortunately I missed Greer completely, and from what I have heard about him it's probably a good thing ...

Indeed, i invite you to check out the craddock engineering connection.

Well, I'm going to stay safe and not form an opinion on the disclosure movement just yet, I think it's too early to tell. Just the religious ramifications alone are going to be quite a handful.

I think so too, i also think that religious authority will try to ease the confusion by welcoming it. I would suppose in the way it's been in this interview, with a vatican astronomer. {or.. the church just doesnt want to be wrong again.}

http://padrefunes.blogspot.com/2008/05/e...other.html

[Crimson]

I have to disagree with you Crimson on Greer being someone who is purposely presenting disinfo. But who knows, I could be wrong! There are two situations here as I see it:

1. Greer has his beliefs about there only being benevolent ET's because that's what he has been told and exposed to.

2. Or perhaps it is the opposite, and his purpose is to present certain information out there without scaring the living hell out of people. How do you approach the average person with the biggest hidden truth of our existence? It's not easy.

I think Greer has a role to play, and the fact that there are negative entities is simply not in his script. If you want to get a frightened animal (close-minded purposely conditioned fear-based humans) out of a hole, you don't stand outside yelling and screaming. You have to be gentle.

Awakening is a process isn't it? You can't be exposed to it all at once. Once people are awakened and come out of their metaphorical holes, they can start looking around at other information for the bigger picture. Greer is someone who is more of a starting point. These roles are important and have to be played.

I never implied or stated he did disinfo on purpose. As a matter of fact I think most of the disinfo is unintentional and or manipulated form above due to the naivete of the messenger (NPD traits can be very naive by the way).

Having said that, that all "aliens" are benevolent is not true...This is basic Ra material. And the purpose of Orions for example is conquest if they can get away with it.

[native]

Ok. Words are powerful, clarity is important my friend! To me when you say you think something is disinformation, it implies that it's intentional given the meaning and history of the word unless it's clarified.

Another topic that I wanted to bring up, is that we are often very quick to pick apart those out in the trenches doing all the work. For every new video or interview that comes out (from whoever), in the comments section you always see an overwhelming amount of negativity. It's the armchair quarterback syndrome.

I don't follow David Wilcock much anymore, but you see it a lot with him now. People loooove to talk about him and not about what he's presenting. We somehow seem to hold them to a higher standard than us, when in reality they are simply regular people putting in endless hours of work, experiencing and trying to deal with their own emotions in a public light.

I think what happens, and what you may see in Greer Crimson, is that this is his life's work and it has become personal for him. You find that when a researcher grows in popularity, people actually want to know more about them personally, so they start opening up. Just some positive thoughts to consider!

[Spectrum]

Ha. Great find..I've never seen that.

I also only stumbled upon it last night for the first time when I was listening to Stephen Bassett being interviewed That is of course assuming it’s real, any photograph and video can be manipulated these days.

Indeed, i invite you to check out the craddock engineering connection.

I will have a look at that in a moment.

I think so too, i also think that religious authority will try to ease the confusion by welcoming it. I would suppose in the way it's been in this interview, with a vatican astronomer. {or.. the church just doesnt want to be wrong again.}

http://padrefunes.blogspot.com/2008/05/e...other.html

I will check this out shortly as well. One can't help noticing that this ‘new reality’ is ostensibly being 'marketed' to the population from all corners.

At least the Vatican eventually apologised for the Copernican Revolution, when they tried to persecute those who proposed that the sun is in fact the center of the universe, and not the earth...next they have to replace the word universe with ‘our solar system’.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution

is that this is his life's work

If it's his life's work, and he's spending all his time on it, and he's saying they're all benevolent, then I will have to say it's intentional disinfo, because only a cursory glance at this phenomena is enough for any layperson to see that the majority of reported contact isn’t too benevolent. I also disagree with you that it is in people's best interest to be told that all higher density entities are benevolent. Ignorance can never be to someone’s benefit. Of course spreading paranoia is the other extreme, which some people make themselves guilty of. A healthy balance can be found, like in the Ra teachings. People are already well informed about the duality in our world, 'good' vs 'bad', everywhere they look, why would they be surprised to learn about: as above, so below.

In fact I will take it one step further, and show you how Greer’s disinfo (all above us are all good) is actually damaging. If the duality is kept from people, how will they become aware of the necessity of polarization in their third density incarnations?

Questioner: In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent
service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity
is harvestable. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth
dimensional level.
Questioner: What is to be the entity’s percentage if he is to be harvested for
the negative?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self
must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five
percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite
difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.
Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain
harvestability upon than the positive?
Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates
that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight
and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to
the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent
dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is
between those two.

It’s that “sinkhole of indifference” that is being kept asleep by statements like “all higher density entities are benevolent”, because the realization of the duality might set a chain reaction of thought in motion, which might result in the realization of the conscious choice in order to progress. STS thinks far 'ahead', don’t underestimate their wisdom, and don’t underestimate the far reaching damage caused by disinfo.

Greer was mentioned in a podcast I listened to as well the other day, and apparently he didn’t start out too badly, and then there was a changeover of sorts somewhere in the late nineties. This happens a lot as well, people are intercepted by 'certain interests', and the more narcissistic (as Crimson says) and self serving they are, the easier, when it then turns into the 'cult of the personality', coupled with disinfo. There is nothing as off-putting as someone who has that me-me-me-me-me thing going, and then we still haven't even touched the lure of fame and fortune, of which this 'new' genre has claimed many 'victims'.

...I'm still giving him a skip

[zenmaster]

Notice that his disclosure-oriented, free-energy tech company was named 'Orion'? Dum da daaaa

[Spectrum]

Dum da daaaa

!!! Yeah, it's not looking so good.

[Eddie]

Disclosure happened to me when I was a young child (and, similarly, for many others on this discussion board). We are arguing over something already proved.

Perhaps the bigger issue is why so many people want "the truth" to be authorized by the ruling elite, in order for it to be "true". The history of ruling elites should prompt us to realize that "truth" is generally an anathema to elites.

Intense public pressure for an end to government secrecy, in general, would probably be more fruitful than any demand for specific "disclosure", if successful. The dishonest always hide behind secrecy, and I suspect that much blood will have to be spilt before we have open and honest government (absent spontaneous elevation to higher vibrational levels).

[native]

If it's his life's work, and he's spending all his time on it, and he's saying they're all benevolent, then I will have to say it's intentional disinfo, because only a cursory glance at this phenomena is enough for any layperson to see that the majority of reported contact isn’t too benevolent. I also disagree with you that it is in people's best interest to be told that all higher density entities are benevolent. Ignorance can never be to someone’s benefit. Of course spreading paranoia is the other extreme, which some people make themselves guilty of. A healthy balance can be found, like in the Ra teachings. People are already well informed about the duality in our world, 'good' vs 'bad', everywhere they look, why would they be surprised to learn about: as above, so below.

You're absolutely correct, it is not in people's best interests to keep them ignorant by telling them falsities. I suppose I should elaborate.

I don't think there needs to be a fear-based approach. Do we have to fear negative entities? It's my opinion that we don't. When someone goes around telling people to beware (speaking of others, not you), it invokes images of mass-landings and planet-conquering ET's. We know the Ra material says this wouldn't happen..

In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion.

It sounds as if Ra is looking back on history. There must have been attempts on other planets to dominate forcibly, and it simply is too much of a risk.

Greer always makes it clear that he believes there aren't hostile entities that are going to come down and enslave us. Which is a view I think many of us would support. The negative entities operate differently. I think his role is to calm this fear. I don't think his information is disinfo, but whether or not he knows he's being scripted to play a certain role is another story.

[Spectrum]

You're absolutely correct, it is not in people's best interests to keep them ignorant by telling them falsities. I suppose I should elaborate.

I don't think there needs to be a fear-based approach. Do we have to fear negative entities? It's my opinion that we don't. When someone goes around telling people to beware (speaking of others, not you), it invokes images of mass-landings and planet-conquering ET's. We know the Ra material says this wouldn't happen..

I agree with you completely, and I observe these fear and paranoia spreading people and just shake my head. What makes the Ra teachings different from others also sharing the picture as it really is? Ra gives the 'bad' news, and also the good news, with advice, tools and information with regard to protection and positive polarization. Others generally share the bad news, and then leave their audience hanging, filled with fear mostly, if they buy it. There is no benefit in that, and raises a lot of questions about the ones spreading the fear.

In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion.

I was thinking of this exact quote last night with regard to this whole disclosure business.

There must have been attempts on other planets to dominate forcibly, and it simply is too much of a risk.

I would say they already have the upper hand on planet earth, and have had it for a while. Confederation attempts to teach Law of One/STO have been distorted and taken advantage of by Orion STS. Look at how Ra said they made a harmonious transition from 2D to 3D to 4D etc. on Venus. Remember 'control' and 'enslavement' is STS, and our whole societal structure is characterized by control and enslavement, not to mention all the bellicosity.

Greer always makes it clear that he believes there aren't hostile entities that are going to come down and enslave us.

This is perhaps the biggest deception and decoy of the whole disclosure movement. Keep people focused on the idea of extra-terrestrial 'aliens', as opposed to the inter-dimensional metaphysical reality of what we face. Haven't they already invaded and enslaved us? It is currently 4D's choice to not be visible to 3D, but does it change the fact that 4D STS are here, and busy-busy-busy! Do you not think their secrecy is actually to their advantage?

I realize I'm painting a very bleak picture here, but is it not better to be informed, and then attempt to 'know thyself', and then attempt the disciplines Ra talks about, aimed at positive polarization, combined with faith and deeds?

[Izzy]

Greetings, I have learned a great deal and hope that everyone else has at least some insite to this subject now.I thank all involved, for this is what we need, Discussion whether good or bad we need to listen to all sides before making an informed oppinion.Is that not how the human mind works? Now that all have talked and discussed Dr. Greer I would like to pose another question not yet disscussed. What about all these professional private/military pilots and airtraffic controlers, military soliders that Greer has sworn statements from? I understand the doubt of Dr Greer but why would some of these people put themselfs threw the ridicule? The possiblity of losing your job or not being able to get a job if it got out that you were one of the people trying to get to the truth? And last the point of disclosure at least to me is to finally to get the gov out of the secrecy buisness, to trust that the people wont go running into the streets yelling the sky is falling or that the people will blame who stops the lies.Dont kill the messenger.

[Spectrum]

What about all these professional private/military pilots and airtraffic controlers, military soliders that Greer has sworn statements from?

Hi Izzy, this is just my own opinion. If Greer is telling people that higher density entities are all benevolent (I don't think he calls it higher density entities either, I think he's making it a nuts and bolts issue - extra terrestrial aliens), then he's sandwiching a little bit of truth (with these sworn statements) between lots of lies, which is *exactly* how disinfo works, and which does more harm than good, and will enslave people more - and it's intentional.

He would not have been able to do this, if he wasn't disinfo. He's a tool. They will release this to the public on their terms, using people like Greer, selling something which is FAR removed from reality.

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Disclosure happened to me when I was a young child (and, similarly, for many others on this discussion board). We are arguing over something already proved.

Perhaps the bigger issue is why so many people want "the truth" to be authorized by the ruling elite, in order for it to be "true". The history of ruling elites should prompt us to realize that "truth" is generally an anathema to elites.

Intense public pressure for an end to government secrecy, in general, would probably be more fruitful than any demand for specific "disclosure", if successful. The dishonest always hide behind secrecy, and I suspect that much blood will have to be spilt before we have open and honest government (absent spontaneous elevation to higher vibrational levels).

I overlooked your post for some reason, just noticed it. Well said.