What does "The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions" mean?

[zedro]

Yes it was bound to be either 3 replies long, or 3 pages long. It's fun applying the archtypes to seemingly simple statements/analogies.

Edit: this makes page 4 lol

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Jesus Christ. A whole deep diving thread on karma and metaphysics is not needed to explain this saying.

Just say it's a saying used to hold people with supposedly good intentions accountable for bad decisions that harm the world around them, despite their supposed intentions. Then point out that Gem is taking this too literally. Hell, I'm autistic and even I didn't take that quote at face value.

Hell is subjective Gem. Most people who go to "hell" after they die do so because there is nothing left once they die but the dreaming awareness. That dreaming awareness, no longer held back by the laws of physics, dreams up whatever it wants, which could be heaven or hell. Most peoples' dreaming awareness is atrophied from lack of use, so in order to understand the dream, it must be strengthened which could take a bit, as they get acclimated to the dream they are dreaming. No matter how "eternal" the place seems however, I assure you they do not stay there forever. Just until they understand the meaning of the dream.

Maybe that's exactly what was needed. How can we know what is needed until it comes out?

If a "bad" person like Hitler thinks they are doing good and are really doing bad, how can a "good" person know they are really doing good?

That is not what you asked when you started this thread.

You asked a simple question with a simple answer.

This is a related, yet separate one from what you asked.

[zedro]

Well blame me then, because I shifted the context from the literal to the archtypal. Not sure what the problem is lol

[AnthroHeart]

Jesus Christ. A whole deep diving thread on karma and metaphysics is not needed to explain this saying.

Just say it's a saying used to hold people with supposedly good intentions accountable for bad decisions that harm the world around them, despite their supposed intentions. Then point out that Gem is taking this too literally. Hell, I'm autistic and even I didn't take that quote at face value.

Hell is subjective Gem. Most people who go to "hell" after they die do so because there is nothing left once they die but the dreaming awareness. That dreaming awareness, no longer held back by the laws of physics, dreams up whatever it wants, which could be heaven or hell. Most peoples' dreaming awareness is atrophied from lack of use, so in order to understand the dream, it must be strengthened which could take a bit, as they get acclimated to the dream they are dreaming. No matter how "eternal" the place seems however, I assure you they do not stay there forever. Just until they understand the meaning of the dream.

Maybe that's exactly what was needed. How can we know what is needed until it comes out?

If a "bad" person like Hitler thinks they are doing good and are really doing bad, how can a "good" person know they are really doing good?

That is not what you asked when you started this thread.

You asked a simple question with a simple answer.

This is a related, yet separate one from what you asked.

I'm sure I was prompted for what it would evolve into.
How do you know my original intent when I asked a simple question, with a simple answer?
Are you a mind reader?

[Ymarsakar]

This thread is getting derailed. I don't think it matters whether the question is X or Y. People can freely choose to answer it or not, read it or not.

Those who do not wish to participate, would be advised not to self destruct their own willpower, and instead find something they can obtain benefits from instead.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Jesus Christ. A whole deep diving thread on karma and metaphysics is not needed to explain this saying.

Just say it's a saying used to hold people with supposedly good intentions accountable for bad decisions that harm the world around them, despite their supposed intentions. Then point out that Gem is taking this too literally. Hell, I'm autistic and even I didn't take that quote at face value.

Hell is subjective Gem. Most people who go to "hell" after they die do so because there is nothing left once they die but the dreaming awareness. That dreaming awareness, no longer held back by the laws of physics, dreams up whatever it wants, which could be heaven or hell. Most peoples' dreaming awareness is atrophied from lack of use, so in order to understand the dream, it must be strengthened which could take a bit, as they get acclimated to the dream they are dreaming. No matter how "eternal" the place seems however, I assure you they do not stay there forever. Just until they understand the meaning of the dream.

Maybe that's exactly what was needed. How can we know what is needed until it comes out?

If a "bad" person like Hitler thinks they are doing good and are really doing bad, how can a "good" person know they are really doing good?

You can't know. So then, what are your purest intentions?
If your decision causes a little pain then it is catalyst, use it to further polarize. See your own foolishness and accept it.
I could say, then no big deal. But it is a big deal when you are in the throws of being hurt because of your own foolishness. You can still use the pain to gain wisdom, if nothing else, about yourself and well, your foolishness.

Hilter had many problems. He is not the best example. But yeah, he may have thought what he was doing was a good thing and this is where the problem lies for him perhaps. Because if he were truthful with himself, he would have realized it was a way to enslave many and used that for the exploration into his inner desires toward power. If we use this as an example it already sounds confusing in which he was confused according to the material. A man who may think he does good but in his heart he desires to take slaves= confused entity.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

And let's be real... That's A LOT of supposedly "well meaning" motherfuckers nowadays. Especially the commies. Ugh. But because they have a a smug sense of self righteousness in the supposed virtuous nature of their "intentions" their repugnant ideology cannot be shunned no matter how much suffering and death it has caused. If it didn't result in care bear utopia, it "wasn't true communism" >_>

[Ymarsakar]

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...#pid294653

Here's a story for you Evolving Phoenix ; )

Somebody asked me, after all.

It explains some of the lack of discipline concerning word usage amongst humans.

[Black Dragon]

Communism. Fascism. Anarcho-capitalism. It all sucks. Almost every expression of human gov on this planet has been predominantly authoritarian STS in nature. The "right wing" ideologies haven't been any better than the "left", and vice versa. That is why when people worship Trump, or post long winded apologetics for authoritarian communist regimes and deny their human rights abuses, it irritates me all the same.

There is a paradigm here, like a trinity, except two options are s*** and one is good. To even get to the good option, you have to look past the red and blue neon lights and actually figure out you actually have a third option. STS and STO are still at play, but there's this other paradigm called "self responsible",  "others responsible" and "unity conscious". An others-responsible or far left mindset thinks they are responsible for others and others are responsible for them. They are partially correct but take it to extremes like authoritarian communism and deny self responsibility. It becomes control dressed up as doing good.

The "self-responsible" mindset believes everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves, make your own way, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. They have the other part of the truth puzzle and are partly right, but take it to extremes like anarcho-capitalism and other far right doctrines that are authoritarian and STS, based on greed and survival of the fittest STS predators with no place for compassion.

Those who do not like left and right wing labels, who don't think there needs to be conflict or between the ideas of liberty and compassion, who knows our new systems will include socialist, libertarian, and other elements in a pure way they have never been expressed before, and that it doesn't matter what label you put on it, the new way will work, and the old ones do not. Those people have a unity conscious mindset. That is the key to a better timeline here.

On one end you have the right wing Mad Max/Ideocracy timeline. On the other, you've got the ultimate "road to hell paved with good intentions", the culmination of forced unity. That would be an outcome like various "grey" looking civs who removed their emotional bodies, forced collectivity, and live much as Borg. The movies "Equilibrium" and "The Giver" are good examples and inspired by what happened to other civs and what happened to Earth on other timelines.

I say f*** all that noise, why not go for unity conscious?

[Ymarsakar]

The paradigms are a very insightful way to look at it. Two pieces of a more complete whole.