Music: Spiritual Effects of Rock/Metal Music

[AlexKawajima]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9ynchyK...re=related

You know, I sometimes miss the mosh pit. In the old days people used to have those pseudo epileptic seizures. These day's its all about looking cool.

Am I getting old? Get off my lawn!

Hahah yeah I been asking the same thing. Am I getting old? I been to a lot of shows in the last 15 years and I think its starting to wear on me a little bit.

I was at a metal show last night. Master and Goreaphobia. It was a real good time. This is some real fast pace heavy death thrash metal. This show was all about the metalhead freaks like myself who almost have this like luring thing which draws us to shows. Sunday nights here in Yewtah and metal makes it even more weird.

I am quite fond of this music and I been really mellow at shows lately...mainly since I stopped drinking and partying like crazy which makes sense. In a social situation its great to feel alive and not totally annihilated on the booze. Regardless, I really felt the need to headbang during Master. Its just really high energy heavy thrash metal. It gives birth to bumping into a few people (literally) and everyone has a good time cause we all know we are there for the same thing and that is to just have a good time.

That was about as close to the pit as it got, but it was cool. Perhaps its just not the same and when it comes to most pits it all depends on the bands. A lot of bands (Straight Edge, Hardcore that get mixed on lineups with Death Metal bands for Example) you'll have people showing up just to hurt people in the mosh pit which just aint good at all. Then with some bands (Heavy Metal, speed metal, thrash, death metal Etc). people are just moshing a bit and have a good time. They all help each other out and its a good time.

I really liked that Butterfly thing. It made my day actually.

[Ali Quadir]

Ow Alex, don't get me started

Reading your post gave me flashbacks of school parties, farm parties, sitting sober as a goose on some godforsaken path in the middle of nowhere surrounded by kids who have barely hit puberty and are too drunk to walk because of the three whopping beers they had

Jumping from the attic of a barn into a haystack, landing on your sister who apparently crawled under there with some boy. Whom we all knew she's had a secret crush on for like ages. Being the only guy who actually brought a tent to an actual "Bring your own tent" party. Waking up on the bottom of a pile of people as a consequence with some guy snoring in your ear.

This pseudo feud between the local kids who liked one type of music versus the local kids who liked the other house/trance type of music. (Only relevant in the weekend because we did like and played the same video games after school the rest of the week) (Small town politics )

Regularly ending up in the gay bar because that's the place where the crowd was most relaxed even though you had to watch out for the guy with the desert eagle water pistol filled with vodka. Who for some reason got a kick out of squirting guys in the face, (I think there was something Freudian going on there).

Ow and this really weird punk kid who always came in a sarong? His favorite hobby was running up to cops and begging them to put the handcuffs on him. Because as he would put it the chances of being put into handcuffs by real men those days were really small! The police officers involved knew the kid by name and usually they made a few jokes and he was happy as rain the rest of the evening.

Those were the days. We were so innocent and saw such crazy things. I still have my long hair, but it doesn't do much more than entertain coworkers at the very occasional unavoidable coworker party these days. :-/

Get off my lawn!

I really liked that Butterfly thing. It made my day actually.

You're not the first I wish I knew who made it so I could thank him in the name of the bus load of guys and gals I made to smile with that including myself. Especially the fact that the metalhead is neatly disguised as a regular Joe whom many of us became. Visited by a butterfly, in essence the symbol of change and life after life. The man is still deeply in tune with the sanctity of metal which is brilliantly reflected by calling the butterfly an angel.

Amen.

Btw, if you don't know it yet, check out Sonata Arctica. Very speedy and kinda metalic Much more polished than the old stuff, I think it is brilliant though.

[Monica]

By the way, if you don't know it yet, check out Sonata Arctica. Very speedy and kinda metalic Much more polished than the old stuff, I think it is brilliant though.

I adore Sonata Arctica!!! (I was talking about them on the Argh! thread) They are probably my #1 band right now. Absolutely stunning! High energy, exhilarating - it's impossible to stay in a bad mood when you listen to SA! And nice to have a vocalist who can actually sing! (with all the harsh vocals these days)

I like all their stuff, but I think Reckoning Night is one of the best albums ever recorded. It builds and it builds and keeps on building - takes you into a really high space! It's a 'perfect' album. You do know their new album will be released in Sept, right?

I've seen these guys twice, at small clubs both times. They do huge venues in Europe, but here in the States they do small clubs. They opened for Nightwish last time and I like Nightwish ok but wow, SA ROCKS!

SA is a great example of how music can ROCK and still be spiritually uplifting!

Hey I love the butterfly too. I'll have to pass that on to my metalhead son!

I'm a headbanger myself but I detest the mosh pits. Too brutal for me! Back in my day (the late 70s) I used to always be at the front, but now the moshing has all but ruined the concert experience for me. =( I am short so I'd get squished, which means that I have no choice but to stay on the side, where I can't see. We still have a lot of moshing going on, but it just depends on the show, as to whether they're violent of not. I've seen too many moshers getting all bloodied up, even at pop shows like Linkin Park. I don't dare get near it at the heavier shows. <sigh>

[godexpressing]

I believe that everything is sacred whether it is Sarah McLachlan singing In the Arms of an Angel or Ozzie Osborne strutting onstage singing Crazy Train. But having a strong desire to increase my positive polarity, I am very wary of embracing anything that could push me in the opposite direction. I am a rocker and have played rock professionally for nearly 30 years. I am a major fan of Led Zeppelen, Ozzie and Black Sabbath (Let's not forget the legendary Spinal Tap!) My band has been opening act for Blue Oyster Cult as well as Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad. This music is close to my heart.

However, I began to remove certain songs from my repertoire when I realized that words have spiritual power. For example, one of my favorite songs musically is Stranglehold by Ted Nugent. I even bought an effects pedal for my bass that gave me the right tone for playing that song. But the lyrics are about stalking a woman and threatening her with violence. He warns her of the time "I got you in a stranglehold baby, then I smashed your face." I love the groove but I don't want those lyrics coming out of my mouth onstage.

I think it really comes down to what type of effect a particular song has the listener. I personally love blues and blues rock where the lead guitar is the actual "voice" of the band such as Hendrix, Cream or Stevie Ray Vaughn. I don't pay close attention to lyrics and my rock heros tend to be guitar players rather than vocalists. It's not until I have to sing a song that I really pay attention to the lyrics because those words will be coming out of my mouth. But once I began to equate a song with a certain message, it exists on a completely different level for me. It is at that point that my consciousness accepts or rejects the message.

I doubt that most people listen consciously to music. It's like the background music to our lives. Often, when I hear a song on the radio, distant memories surface. I remember hearing the song at certain times with certain people. I don't pay attention to the lyrics unless something unusual attracts my attention. I think there is great music in all genres, and all genres have songs with negative lyrics. I still enjoy listening to Nugent, I just reject the message of Stranglehold.

Keep on rockin'!!!!!!

[Monica]

However, I began to remove certain songs from my repertoire when I realized that words have spiritual power.

I agree completely! I feel the same way about lyrics - I usually don't pay much attention, because I like the music, but once I do know what they're saying, I can't knowingly subject myself to negative lyrics.

Funny, I always thought Ted was being figurative with those lyrics...never noticed the smashing the face part.

[Ali Quadir]

How do you feel about the notion of spiritual inoculation? The idea being that the negative encapsulated in the positive doesn't actually make us weaker... It tells our body how to respond to the negative when it does come. Perhaps it allows us to discharge the negative in a non negative way.

[Monica]

How do you feel about the notion of spiritual inoculation? The idea being that the negative encapsulated in the positive doesn't actually make us weaker... It tells our body how to respond to the negative when it does come. Perhaps it allows us to discharge the negative in a non negative way.

What an interesting idea! If that means I can listen to CoB or CoF without negative effects, that would be awesome!

[Ali Quadir]

Lol Aside from it's benefits

Thing is I've been listening to this "negative" music all my life. I don't really feel negative... I don't feel drained after listening to it for a long time. I feel invigorated.

[Monica]

Thing is I've been listening to this "negative" music all my life. I don't really feel negative... I don't feel drained after listening to it for a long time. I feel invigorated.

I feel invigorated too! I think the lyrics can be transmuted. Note I said can. If our intention is positive, and we feel energized to do something positive, then that would mean the negative lyrics failed to generate a negative action, right?

On the other hand, if negatively-polarized people listened to the same music and got energized to go out and kill someone or burn down a church, then...well that's obviously a different story altogether.

I really think it depends on the person.

Heavy metal music energizes me, for the most part. (As an aside, a good example is the new live Judas Priest, which I just bought a few days ago. It has a slightly negative-sounding title, but there's nothing negative about it at all, imo. Musically, it's exquisitely relentless! Great music, great vocals...definitely a mood elevator if you like that sort of thing.)

In my case, the exception is that newer genre with the throaty, harsh vocals - to me it sounds like they're trying to sound like demons, and it just creeps me out. Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, sometimes these bands have some really incredible music, with the harsh vocals only an occasional accompaniment. It is those cases that put me into a dilemma.

[Ali Quadir]

Heavy metal music energizes me, for the most part. (As an aside, a good example is the new live Judas Priest, which I just bought a few days ago. It has a slightly negative-sounding title, but there's nothing negative about it at all, imo. Musically, it's exquisitely relentless! Great music, great vocals...definitely a mood elevator if you like that sort of thing.)

I agree. Besides. The mystical meaning of Judas is not as negative as the Christian meaning. Without Judas the message of Christ could have been lost in the shadows of time. Someone like him was maybe needed.

JP is a bit of the good old metal.

In my case, the exception is that newer genre with the throaty, harsh vocals - to me it sounds like they're trying to sound like demons, and it just creeps me out. Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, sometimes these bands have some really incredible music, with the harsh vocals only an occasional accompaniment. It is those cases that put me into a dilemma.

You stated earlier that lyrics are very important. I agree and think they're more important than the grunting. If a singer sings about burning churches I usually disconnect. Even if it's an opera singer.

I interpret most of the grunting as the angel/animal split rearing it's head. We're a mixture of the angelic and the animal. This is not a positive negative split. We're partly animals and unless we recognize it the beast will either slip away from us or we will sink into various psychological problems the first signal is repression of the animal. We're also partly angel and unless we recognize that there is no one to ride the beast.

This of course doesn't apply to all the metal out there, but some of the animal grunts certainly fall into this category.

I guess my point is I think we're both. When the primal rage of the animal is connected to the wisdom of the angel. A harmony comes out that is both, perhaps that's what it means to be human. The animal needs to be tempered by the angel, and the angel vitalized by the animal.

We shouldn't let our notions of good and bad split us in half. Usually when we think we're being bad we're actually somewhere in the middle. True humans aren't as good at being bad as they think. We're only really bad in ignorance blindness and when we can't find another way. In reality there's always a way of being bad that hurts no one and if we find these ways we don't have to resort to the destructive.

Polarisation towards the positive is making all your thoughts and actions a blessing to the whole universe. This blessing can be slightly beastly right?


Or to say it in music: (And at the same time add a bit of anthropology and entertainment)
Lordi gives a clear example of the animal versus angel split. Even hints at it's illusory nature

This next guy is on the edge you should know before watching that he's a devout christian and married father of two. Terribly normal in daily life, this is how he represents the warnings from the bible. In this particular frame he's using the european union flag as a warning against the biblical beast. Not a warning against europeans

And these guys, well they speak for themselves.

[Monica]

And these guys, well they speak for themselves.

This link doesn't work.

[Ali Quadir]

Fixed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9BbiYmYRIo

Thanks for the heads up Monica.

[Monica]

Ah, Moonspell. I'm familiar with them.

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This next guy is on the edge you should know before watching that he's a devout christian and married father of two. Terribly normal in daily life, this is how he represents the warnings from the bible. In this particular frame he's using the european union flag as a warning against the biblical beast. Not a warning against europeans

Aw, those vocals aren't harsh at all! Although, there is some dark imagery. But I can see what he's trying to do there. I won't even post the stuff I'm referring to.

[Richard]

I don’t think the type of music matters. Whether it’s the vocals, meaning of the lyrics, the beat..none of that matters. What matters is that you retain the ability to discern how that music makes you feel….act….and…to choose. Music as catalyst.

Polarization is a conscious choice. STO, STS …little choices, big choices…strung through your day. Day after day extending into your remaining years in this lifetime and beyond.

Richard

[Monica]

This next guy is on the edge you should know before watching that he's a devout christian and married father of two. Terribly normal in daily life, this is how he represents the warnings from the bible.

I watched the video. The music and vocals sounded interesting at first, but it went on a bit too long, imo. I didn't have a problem with it - it wasn't nearly as dark as some others I've seen/heard - but it did seem very fear-based. I can appreciate what the band is trying to convey, and I can understand why it's a good thing, from their perspective. At the same time, I don't think fear-based stuff is necessarily any more acceptable because of being based on the Bible.

I'll check out a few more of their songs. I try to never judge a band by a single song.

[Ali Quadir]

Be sure to check out "the promise" Quality isn't so hot, but it gives an idea.

Basically you should see these bits of music as parts of a large opera or some such thing. "The beast" is about the beast rising from the depth. The arrival of the devil at the end of times. You need to make it scary or it won't work.

The promise is about the promise God made to his people. I'm not a big fan of modern Israel as you might know, but in the broader meaning, in the meaning of God's people this song like the book is hope inspiring.

It's christian rock without a doubt. But I kinda like these very individual expressions of faith.

[Ali Quadir]

I've been listening to Saviour Machine since the last post. I believe they're positive, but man, they're heavy.

I'm going to switch to winnie the pooh songs for a while now just to balance out...

[Brittany]

I’ve actually been thinking about this a lot, too. The beats in a lot of “heavier” music really seem to move my soul and the music itself is beautiful, but many of the lyrics are so negative. I really have no definite answer to this, but I’ve noticed that sometimes the darkness within a person needs to be indulged a bit to keep it from taking over. Sometimes you really DO just need to rock, or I do, anyway.

I guess it really just depends on how you’re able to process what you hear. If you can simply see the lyrics as the heartfelt perspective of someone who is confused or hurting it helps you to better understand the state of mind a lot of the world is in. It promotes empathy and a desire to help. However, if the message really gets into you and you find it bringing you down and making you depressed, I wouldn’t listen to it.

I was a Christian for a very long time, and this reminds me a lot of a passage in the Bible where the apostle Paul was writing to some church members about eating meat. Some people thought there was nothing wrong with it and could eat the meat with a clean conscience, but some were still very rooted in their old traditions and felt guilty doing it even if there was nothing inherently wrong with the action itself. Then you had the people who were throwing out their opinions and condemning anyone who believed the opposite of what they believed. Paul had this to say:

“Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats, for God has received him.

Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.

For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.”

-Romans 14:3-8

I can’t exactly claim the Bible to be the perfect model for living, but I think Paul hit the nail on the head with this one. If some people can listen to the most depressing of music simply for enjoyment purposes and not be any worse off for it, that’s great for them, but if it makes other people uncomfortable that opinion should also be respected. Ultimately the Creator accepts us all for what we are and what we are able to do, and no matter what path we choose, we will always be welcomed in love.

That’s just my opinion, though I often still debate the issue with myself.

[Monica]

...sometimes the darkness within a person needs to be indulged a bit to keep it from taking over. Sometimes you really DO just need to rock, or I do, anyway.

I guess it really just depends on how you’re able to process what you hear. If you can simply see the lyrics as the heartfelt perspective of someone who is confused or hurting it helps you to better understand the state of mind a lot of the world is in. It promotes empathy and a desire to help. However, if the message really gets into you and you find it bringing you down and making you depressed, I wouldn’t listen to it.

I agree! It really depends on how the music affects you. Our grandparents couldn't even handle Elvis or the Beatles. Now that music is so tame compared to the newer generations of rock!

When I was a born-again Christian, I allowed the pastor to convince me to get rid of my Led Zeppelin albums. I so totally regretted that! To her, it was 'satanic' but to me it was beautiful...

After that, I got into New Age music and listened to only Kitaro, Yanni, Vangelis, etc. for about 15 years! Not because I thought rock music was evil (I no longer thought that), but because I just didn't want to 'lower my vibration.'

Then, for some reason, I just started craving music. It was as though I was starved for it. I didn't have anything particularly heavy going on in my life...no seething rage that needed release or anything like that...nothing beyond normal life challenges...but I just finally realized that I liked to rock!

So I began the arduous task of re-acquiring all that music that I had previously gotten rid of. (Only to then have to repeat the process once everything came out on cd!)

I just no longer feel that listening to heavy music is necessarily detrimental. But, it really depends on the music. There are some genres of black- and death- metal that have vocals that sound very nasty/negative/evil to me and I cannot be around that music. I just choose not to subject myself to it. But I do listen to a lot that would be considered very heavy.

Interestingly, last week I saw Metallica live and totally loved it! I couldn't handle one of the opening bands, though, because of the harsh vocals. So I just sat them out. It didn't really bother me. Then, a few days ago, I saw another band that is among the heaviest on the planet (but with fairly clean vocals). I'm not as much into their music as I am into Metallica's, so I didn't do as much headbanging but was more of an observer during some songs. There is a lot of energy generated at concerts and whenever I go to one, I try to affirm that if there is a way I can be of service by directing some of that energy, I am willing to do that. I've had some incredible experiences at heavy metal shows! Sometimes I have felt the presence of higher beings who seemed to be helping me uplift the energy of the entire crowd.

Well, this time the crowd looked rougher, but guess what, they were just ordinary people, just like the good folks at the Metallica show. Most were there to blow off some steam and have a good time. (Except for the moshers, who can get violent and I stay away from them!) Even though the music was dark, and some the band members looked like they were doing their darndest to appear intimidating, I really felt like an observer, and that any negativity would not touch me. If anything, I felt that I was able to somehow lighten the place a bit.

Whereas, if I hadn't grown up with Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, I might have been uncomfortable. But now it's just a newer generation of heavy music, some of which is really awesome and some of which isn't.

My son keeps trying to get me to identify why I like some of this heavy music and others I cannot tolerate. I thought it was because of the vocals, and in some cases it is, but sometimes that's not it. I'm not really sure what it is. I just know that if the vibration makes me uncomfortable, I turn it off. If it energizes me, then I'm ok with it.

[Derek]

Personally, I think there is alot more to the "dark" aspect of most popular music. I do believe that social enginering/brainwashing progams are in place from (primarily) luciferian STS groups. This video series is a great expose of it. Be warned though it's very heavy.

http://theindustryexposed.com/

[BlatzAdict]

why are you guys so obsessed with whether or not music is positive or negative. we live in duality. there's just no way you can simply eliminate everything negative from your life.

the negative is catalyst, and just because it's negative doesn't make you negative. no catalyst no growth!

i prefer metal over a lot of this lame new age music. a lot of it just doesn't make me wanna shake my bum and dance like a crazy happy maniac! whatever makes you happy, listen to it. why make it so complicated guys?

Metal and the lyrics kick a$$...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPLv83DVBg
I'm walking the street and I hear what you say
Advising me, telling me how to play
I know your name, it's called Mr.Mean
One thing I've learned you don't know beans

High I fly
I touch the sky
Far above your frozen hearts
You can't kill my dreams
You can't kill my spirit
I was born to be free

I walk to my own song
Every day the power grows stronger in me
I walk to my own song
Head up proud
I'm the master of my own destiny

You think you know what is better for me
Holding me lectures of how I should be
Shrugging my shoulders I leave you behind
Anyway I look at it you are blind
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while thinking this i had an extended long long long tone in my right ear..
the spiritual world is sayin FUK YEA! is that negative? no.

stop listening to mainstream music, it promotes negativity. Tongue
I can put up a dark metal song I like a lot too. One of stratovarious's albums is called fourth dimension tho. hahahahaha

so I'm feelin stratovarious right now.
Stratovarius - Galaxies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn_jb7W8kMc

Lyrics:
Hear my call don't waste your time
remember what we're fighting for
Hear my voice take my hand
We've got to win this war

We were meant to be free
not to live in slavery

To the other Galaxies we go
gather all our strength before they know
Soon the time will come for all of us
to unite our souls and hearts
save the universe

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there is a group on youtube preaching ascension led by the orion group.
they tell u not to masterbate.
they tell u love is only a human construct.

u know why they say not to masterbate? to reduce your experiential catalyst.
Barring yourself from this craze of trying to avoid metal is just going to hinder your growth, Monica you are realizing the truth from just living and naturally finding yourself going back.

Don't listen to this fear crap about blah blah blah music has evil intentions, if it makes you feel good? ENJOY IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QkalL26e-8
one of my favorite songs. fuk $hit up hahaha

It's about unity, it's about sticking together, and fukkin $hit up!
does that mean throwing a riot? what if it was fukking up the establishment and the fear porn!
my idea of fukkin $hit up is fukkin up what most people think of what is good or evil. It's oppressive and catholic churchy.
Don't ever forget that.

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Personally, I think there is alot more to the "dark" aspect of most popular music. I do believe that social enginering/brainwashing progams are in place from (primarily) luciferian STS groups. This video series is a great expose of it. Be warned though it's very heavy.

http://theindustryexposed.com/

this message promotes fear.. it is fear porn itself. rooted in STO light. it's love and light! not fear and light.

[Monica]

i prefer metal over a lot of this lame new age music. a lot of it just doesn't make me wanna shake my bum and dance like a crazy happy maniac! whatever makes you happy, listen to it. why make it so complicated guys?

I mostly listen to metal too, but I love New Age music too. They're different...for different purposes. Metal is energizing. New Age music is relaxing.

Barring yourself from this craze of trying to avoid metal is just going to hinder your growth, Monica you are realizing the truth from just living and naturally finding yourself going back.

Heh, I'm no longer avoiding metal! But enjoying it immensely.

Don't listen to this fear crap about blah blah blah music has evil intentions, if it makes you feel good? ENJOY IT.

For the most part, I agree. But there are bands out there whose lyrics and vocal tone make my crawl. Most just do it for the gimmick, but there are a few that I think truly are STS.

I can put up a dark metal song I like a lot too. One of stratovarious's albums is called fourth dimension

Stratovarious dark??? That sounds light and fluffy to me.

This is a great example of melodic, uplifting metal. Bands like Stratovarious aren't being questioned, in my mind. It's some of the growly, abrasive black metal bands that have a very negative tone...the vocals are called 'harsh' because they don't sing, they growl. And some of the lyrics are satanic rituals for summoning demons, stuff like that.

That stuff is out there. Sometimes the music is really good, so I might like the beginning of the song, but then the vocals kick in, and ugh, the energy totally shifts. I'm left not feeling good. So I draw the line at that kind of music. I won't listen to it because I don't like the vibration.

But Stratavaious? That's great stuff. Just good metal.

one of my favorite songs. fuk $hit up hahaha

That sounds like B-52's on meth!

[BlatzAdict]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft56il9bGMk
My Bloody Valentine - Soon

is this spiritual rock?


Soon Lyrics
Artist(Band):My Bloody Valentine

Wake up
Don't fear
I want to
Love you
Yeah don't go there
I let you get to me
Yeah yeah

Come back
Don't be
Afraid of me
Soon
That (I'll harm you)
Your eyes are blue
Blue jewels
Yeah yeah
Come back
Have faith
Someone like you
Can find the reason
Of what I did to you
Yeah yeah

Wake up
Don't fear
I want to
Love you
Yeah don't go there
I let you get to me
Yeah yeah


okay i said i was gonna post something dark..
when u get to the solo i loves it.. might not be as cool as metal solos cause it's more punk.. but still impressive
G.I.S.M. - Endless Blockades For The Pussyfooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IztmJRegmCQ

Lyrics:

Endless Blockades For The Pussyfooter
Endless Blockades For The Pussyfooter
Endless blockades Endless blockades
Endless blockades for the pussy footer

You no way notice the demagogue
You no way notice the militaristic
You no way notice the bombing
You no way notice the death in action

They detest to awake you from fool
They detest they united masses
They detest the repressed people's scream
They detest the departed spirits in the third world

Bloody bomb Bloody Bomb
Bloody bomb descent to you

They surely send you the demagogue
They surely send you the militaristic
They surely send you the bombing
They surely send you the death in action

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Nujabes - Think Different
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LwAkavpCvA


Lyrics:

You bust glass over why.
Except mine impregnates the page giving birth to thoughts that unify
You f*** little girls. I make love to women.
My words uplift, yours are poisonous like venom
Im an M.C. Youre a rapper
Im as real as they come,
while half the guys you idolize are just actors
You run from commitment I remain loyal
You call women b******. I call them queens because they're royal
You make rap songs I make soul music!
When god speaks through rhythm will you go to it?
Yo I save my cash yours you blow through it
I say your childs special you say hes so stupid
Im pouring my heart out in everything written
You're scared you'll look soft heart remains hidden
Yo on touchy subjects nerves I stay hittin'
But I aint better than you I just think different

(HOOK)
Is the glass half full or half empty?
It's based on your perspective quite simply
We're the same and we're not know what I'm saying listen
Son, I aint better than you I just think different
(REPEAT HOOK)

My fam run things, while you run your jewelry
My people pop lock you tough guys pop toolies
You rock gems I drop gems you Xerox copying
While I originate material to stimulate
Positive thought patterns when the chosen start gathering
We bar none, yo I got jokes you are one
Im out doing it while you talk about it
Im constantly in the mix, while you walk around it
You try, i do Im wise youre clueless.
I get the job done you fail and make excuses
Im a gentlemen, your behaviors abusive
Im patient... youre jumping the gun false start!
You're caught up in dress codes I'll shop at Walmart
Sucker Im all heart youre half hearted!
You suckas are vandals we graf artist!
Thought you had the last laugh but we laugh hardest

HOOK x 2

You fall in love with body parts I connect mentally
With my female counterpart before we bond physically
Cats I chill with rap about revolution
While you rap about drug abuse and distribution
You wanna be like Mike well I wanna be me.
My queen's hard to obtain while yours is easy
We both from Maryland but be reppin DC
We all front sometimes that's how MCs be
My word is bond and yours is worthless
You're mainstream I'm beneath the surface
I stay working hard while you're hardly workin'
All you want is "money and you're dick sucked" are you certain?
I want a better world for our seeds to live in.
I put faith in myself not the system
Yo we trying to travel so why you making pit stops?
YOU CATS IS RAP AND IM HIP HOP!

HOOK x 2

[unity100]

since middle school, i only listen to cheerful/enspirited music that is harmonious or has a melody. the sentiment is important. genre doesnt matter. anything that catches my attention for being sufficiently cheerful, i listen.

i think i had made good use of this behavior.

[Derek]

Personally, I think there is alot more to the "dark" aspect of most popular music. I do believe that social enginering/brainwashing progams are in place from (primarily) luciferian STS groups. This video series is a great expose of it. Be warned though it's very heavy.

http://theindustryexposed.com/

this message promotes fear.. it is fear porn itself. rooted in STO light. it's love and light! not fear and light.
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Yes, that's true to an extent. It doesn't really promote fear as much as it shows some really dark aspects of popular music. I think it's one of the most informative and important documentary series that anyone needs to see. The evidence is SO substantial that it would literally change anyones view on the current entertainmetnt industry.

Take for exapmle one artist, Jay z.

He wears a masonic ring
He sings lyrics such as "illuminati got my mind, soul body" "I keep one eye open like cbs" and many many more
His record label is rockafella records
His clothing line (rocawear) features shirts loaded with masonic and all seeing eye symbolism
His music videos are full of symbolism (I remember one where rich men in suits were sitting around smoking cigars planning something and it cut to people rioting under the pyramid all seeing eye symbol eventually leading to a woman shouting from a helicopter "welcome to the new world order! you are now under martial law!")
At his concerts he will have people throw up an occult symbol (a triangle with your hands, which he calls the rock symbol) and shout hova hova hova! (Ie, jay hovah)
Most of his music revolves around materialism, greed, violence, lust and other lower chakra urges (social engineering)
All of this can be confirmed with a simple google search. You can do this with just about every artist out there now. I once read something by David Wilcock where he explained that since the late 70s music has more and more revolved around this social engineering and this is why it got so dark since then.

[BlatzAdict]

stop listening to mainstream music then it's not like jay z is the only rapper. support your local independent scene

[Monica]

Take for exapmle one artist, Jay z.

He wears a masonic ring
He sings lyrics such as "illuminati got my mind, soul body" "I keep one eye open like cbs" and many many more
His record label is rockafella records
His clothing line (rocawear) features shirts loaded with masonic and all seeing eye symbolism
His music videos are full of symbolism (I remember one where rich men in suits were sitting around smoking cigars planning something and it cut to people rioting under the pyramid all seeing eye symbol eventually leading to a woman shouting from a helicopter "welcome to the new world order! you are now under martial law!")

I have no idea who jay z is (is that a rapper?) but I'd say that, most likely, it's just a gimmick he's latched onto, for shock value.

Back in the 70s, my mom thought Black Sabbath was satanic.

You can do this with just about every artist out there now. I once read something by David Wilcock where he explained that since the late 70s music has more and more revolved around this social engineering and this is why it got so dark since then.

I would have to respectfully but emphatically disagree with David Wilcock on this. I've been very intensely into music since 1972. I've followed bands very closely and have even met quite a few of them. Guess what I learned? They're just people.

The pop bands, sure, they might be victims of some sort of manipulation by the industry. That I can see, since they are artificially propped up anyway. They don't write their own music. But the true artists are...artists! They're just making music and expressing themselves.

Although I do agree that there is a lot of behind-the-scenes manipulation in the mainstream pop music scene, I think it would be a disservice to musicians to assume that all are manipulated. The music of the 60s and 70s was absolutely authentic! I was there. Those bands were real. The musicians had passion! And there has continued to be lots of authentic musicians since then as well, who are doing what they love, creating from the heart.

[Derek]

Take for exapmle one artist, Jay z.

He wears a masonic ring
He sings lyrics such as "illuminati got my mind, soul body" "I keep one eye open like cbs" and many many more
His record label is rockafella records
His clothing line (rocawear) features shirts loaded with masonic and all seeing eye symbolism
His music videos are full of symbolism (I remember one where rich men in suits were sitting around smoking cigars planning something and it cut to people rioting under the pyramid all seeing eye symbol eventually leading to a woman shouting from a helicopter "welcome to the new world order! you are now under martial law!")

I have no idea who jay z is (is that a rapper?) but I'd say that, most likely, it's just a gimmick he's latched onto, for shock value.

Back in the 70s, my mom thought Black Sabbath was satanic.

You can do this with just about every artist out there now. I once read something by David Wilcock where he explained that since the late 70s music has more and more revolved around this social engineering and this is why it got so dark since then.

I would have to respectfully but emphatically disagree with David Wilcock on this. I've been very intensely into music since 1972. I've followed bands very closely and have even met quite a few of them. Guess what I learned? They're just people.

The pop bands, sure, they might be victims of some sort of manipulation by the industry. That I can see, since they are artificially propped up anyway. They don't write their own music. But the true artists are...artists! They're just making music and expressing themselves.

Although I do agree that there is a lot of behind-the-scenes manipulation in the mainstream pop music scene, I think it would be a disservice to musicians to assume that all are manipulated. The music of the 60s and 70s was absolutely authentic! I was there. Those bands were real. The musicians had passion! And there has continued to be lots of authentic musicians since then as well, who are doing what they love, creating from the heart.

Hi there, I absolutely agree that the music of the 60s and 70s was authentic. These social engineering programs started to take place in the 70s but didn't fully take hold till the 80s. At this point probably 70% of all media is used for these purposes. Invariably most music today is dark and focuses on lower chakra urges and materialism, superficiality etc.

Jay z is one of the most popular people in music today. Most of his audience has no idea or cares about the Illuminati. Almost all bands today glorify illuminati/masonic symbolism, mind control symbolism, etc etc.

Here is an interesting article to read. Keep in mind it is literally one of hundreds and hundreds of songs that do this

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3825

To further illustrate my point I'd like to point out that all forms of media are being used for brainwashing. Here is an excellent article written by David Wilcock (under the name art aqua) back around 2005.
Scroll down to movie list
http://www.greatdreams.com/political/media03.html

This is a great synopsis of the current music industry, http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=6044

I want to say that I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable, I just think it's important to know these things so you can remove yourself from the vast amount of programming.

[BlatzAdict]

u know what I love to use to find great new music.
http://www.pandora.com/

type in your favorite band and it will start playing music that is like what you like!
if u don't like a song thumbs down if u like thumbs up.
simple.
and find out about great new music!

Like I found this remake of a classic Bee Gees song by The Bird and the Bee
How Deep Is Your Love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8DAP_zl9Cw

problem solved.

BTW there is no amount of mental conditioning that can affect Wanderers.
Ra said so If u don't believe me go ask Ra.

THATS WHY.... as long as it makes me shake mah booteh.. or headbang... it's all good baby..

in the world class title love vs fear championship.. Felix wins...

and the crowd goes wild

*huuurraaahh huurraaaahh* lol

[Monica]

Hi there, I absolutely agree that the music of the 60s and 70s was authentic.

OK

To further illustrate my point I'd like to point out that all forms of media are being used for brainwashing.

OK, I'll agree with that...with the clarification that not all content conveyed in said media has been manipulated.

Here is an excellent article written by David Wilcock (under the name art aqua) back around 2005.

I haven't read that one yet...but I have read a lot of DW's opinions. I offer the alternative suggestion that, rather than assuming that all those movies, tv shows etc. have the same agenda, maybe it's simply that these themes are in the mass consciousness, and movie producers are picking up on that.

We've all experienced suddenly thinking of something (a song, a book, an idea, whatever) then suddenly seeing it several times over the next few days. It's just the thoughform floating around in the mass consciousness.

Having said that, I do agree that there's manipulation going on in the pop music industry. Not to be confused with genuine artists! I just read the article about Christina Aguillar and was horrified! Yes, I agree, it's quite clear that the imagery and symbolism used are intentional, and I doubt it's from Christina's creative mind. I found it all very creepy! (But then, I tend to find most pop music creepy anyway, for various reasons.)

These pop stars aren't genuine musicians, or if they are, their creativity has been largely suppressed, in favor of manufactured syrup with little or no musical value, in my opinion.

Genuine artists, on the other hand, write their own music, injecting their own passion into it, and it shows.

I don't pay attention to pop music. There is too much authentic music out there to waste time on manufactured pop.

(This is just my highly biased opinion on music and not intended to offend anyone - music is highly subjective and as a serious music connoisseur I readily admit to being very opinionated about it!)

It would behoove anyone into pop to investigate this info, as I could tell just from that one article you posted, that there does seem to be some blatant manipulation going on, using magickal symbolism etc.