Messengers of Love

[Sacred Fool]

  
In light of there being in these forums such strong perennial interest in dark forces, dark beings and all that jazz, I would offer here a couple of Confederation quotes pointing out that, as groovy as the darkness may appear, the light just might have an whole lot more to offer....if you're into that sort of thing. 

My guess is that many who read a few books about the positive path feel that they have it mostly figured out after a short time because, in part, it's all light and obvious, right?  But could it perhaps be the case that experiential mysteries on the light side could actually go far deeper than the darkness?

Questioner: Does every person have an angel?

Most have more than one angel, depending upon how much of a stinker they really are.* The ones who are kindly affectioned, one to another, have as many as twelve, that is normally the complete assortment of angels that one individual will have.

Angels exist as part of the higher personality of each individual in order to give guidance, self confidence and a feeling of support. Very few among your peoples know how to call upon their angels, and yet they are there and they are as full of love and light as are we. But they are members of your planetary sphere, and thus they have the right to do a little bit more for you than we can. In other words they have the right to be with you, whether you request it or not.
Their rights only stop at the point where the person denies that there are such beings, denies the deity, the spirit, and love itself. This does not remove the angel from the person, but it renders the angel completely helpless, and so the angel patiently and consistently will set up again and again a situation, in which the person who does not believe will see something which, if he thinks about it, can open the door to belief. This much an angel may do; we cannot. We can only come when we are specifically called. For we are not of your planetary sphere, and thus must obey the law of Creation, which is total free will.

Questioner: (Inaudible).

It depends upon your state of belief as to whether angels can physically aid you. If you believe in their reality, they can do almost anything, for grace is given unto those who believe. And the angels are the ministers of that grace. They are people such as you, who had learned through many lifetimes to glorify and praise the Creator. Thus, having learned, the angel can pass on the power and the invocation of light. There is nothing more powerful than the light of the spirit. Thus, if you pray and hear the rustle of angels’ wings, so be it. You have made contact with a part of your personality that links you with the perfection of the Creator.

It is, however, incumbent upon the angel to know the limits of the laws of Creation and the will of the Father. Thus, the angels’ laws are not those of your illusion but those of reality, and so it may seem at times that your requests are not being met. And if this is so, it is because it is not the will of your higher self which shares the perfection of the Creator. For remember that you yourself are the co-creator with the Creator and thus a perfect being, who in some part of yourself knows what you must learn, and how you must learn it in this particular experience. Those who make complete use of their meditation, their prayer, and their faith lead the life of harmony that you would expect of one who lives with the knowledge of the love and the plan of the Creator. The angels are simply messengers of his love, as are we.

*Italics added, just for fun.


This passage is preceded by a brief discussion of balancing: intemperance/patience, and so forth.  Here the state that there is a state beyond balancing "stuff."

There is another way, my friends, and that is available to you only through meditation. And when you enter into this [supernal] joy of infinite life and are one with angels and spirits of high divinity, praising the Creator, then there is no balancing necessary. For this is a joy without what you call emotion. It is so wholehearted, as you would call it, that there is no balancing necessary in order to sustain the energy of the feeling. In fact, joy is not a feeling but a creative force. And another word for that is love. And that is what we greet you with, and that is what we always leave you with.

  

In light of all this, why exactly would anyone of a positive orientation prefer to play games with negative entities?  Is there more to it than ego?  I wonder.
  
   

[Black Dragon]

  
In light of there being in these forums such strong perennial interest in dark forces, dark beings and all that jazz, I would offer here a couple of Confederation quotes pointing out that, as groovy as the darkness may appear, the light just might have an whole lot more to offer....if you're into that sort of thing. 

My guess is that many who read a few books about the positive path feel that they have it mostly figured out after a short time because, in part, it's all light and obvious, right?  But could it perhaps be the case that experiential mysteries on the light side could actually go far deeper than the darkness?

Questioner: Does every person have an angel?

Most have more than one angel, depending upon how much of a stinker they really are.* The ones who are kindly affectioned, one to another, have as many as twelve, that is normally the complete assortment of angels that one individual will have.

Angels exist as part of the higher personality of each individual in order to give guidance, self confidence and a feeling of support. Very few among your peoples know how to call upon their angels, and yet they are there and they are as full of love and light as are we. But they are members of your planetary sphere, and thus they have the right to do a little bit more for you than we can. In other words they have the right to be with you, whether you request it or not.
Their rights only stop at the point where the person denies that there are such beings, denies the deity, the spirit, and love itself. This does not remove the angel from the person, but it renders the angel completely helpless, and so the angel patiently and consistently will set up again and again a situation, in which the person who does not believe will see something which, if he thinks about it, can open the door to belief. This much an angel may do; we cannot. We can only come when we are specifically called. For we are not of your planetary sphere, and thus must obey the law of Creation, which is total free will.

Questioner: (Inaudible).

It depends upon your state of belief as to whether angels can physically aid you. If you believe in their reality, they can do almost anything, for grace is given unto those who believe. And the angels are the ministers of that grace. They are people such as you, who had learned through many lifetimes to glorify and praise the Creator. Thus, having learned, the angel can pass on the power and the invocation of light. There is nothing more powerful than the light of the spirit. Thus, if you pray and hear the rustle of angels’ wings, so be it. You have made contact with a part of your personality that links you with the perfection of the Creator.

It is, however, incumbent upon the angel to know the limits of the laws of Creation and the will of the Father. Thus, the angels’ laws are not those of your illusion but those of reality, and so it may seem at times that your requests are not being met. And if this is so, it is because it is not the will of your higher self which shares the perfection of the Creator. For remember that you yourself are the co-creator with the Creator and thus a perfect being, who in some part of yourself knows what you must learn, and how you must learn it in this particular experience. Those who make complete use of their meditation, their prayer, and their faith lead the life of harmony that you would expect of one who lives with the knowledge of the love and the plan of the Creator. The angels are simply messengers of his love, as are we.

*Italics added, just for fun.


This passage is preceded by a brief discussion of balancing: intemperance/patience, and so forth.  Here the state that there is a state beyond balancing "stuff."

There is another way, my friends, and that is available to you only through meditation. And when you enter into this [supernal] joy of infinite life and are one with angels and spirits of high divinity, praising the Creator, then there is no balancing necessary. For this is a joy without what you call emotion. It is so wholehearted, as you would call it, that there is no balancing necessary in order to sustain the energy of the feeling. In fact, joy is not a feeling but a creative force. And another word for that is love. And that is what we greet you with, and that is what we always leave you with.

  

In light of all this, why exactly would anyone of a positive orientation prefer to play games with negative entities?  Is there more to it than ego?  I wonder.
  
   

Just for the sake of clarification, what do you mean by "games"? Do you mean summoning, rituals, trying to control them or make deals with them, that sort of thing? Trying to toy with them in some dumb and arbitrary game of wit for the sake of amusement? I've definitely heard both of those two things discussed here on a handful of occasions. The former usually comes from despair and helplessness/abandonment or the desire for some sort of vengeance, and the latter is certainly a matter of callous egocentrism over anything else. There are other more complex reasons, but those are usually the obvious ones. Perhaps the life of Aleister Crowley is a good example to look at. He had a lot of complex motivations, but some of it was drugs he was prescribed that messed with his head and other things somewhat out of his control.

I really can't tell you though. It doesn't make much sense to me either. As low as I've felt, I never considered turning to negative entities for power. At my most arrogant, I never considered toying with them just for the f*** of it. Me? I want nothing to do with them as much as that's possible. I will not go seek them out, but I will attempt to defend myself if I feel I'm under any sort of attack, for example in a dream state. And no, I don't mean defend myself by invoking some other "bad guy" or using "dark magic" back at them. The statement "I know what you really are" is usually enough. If you make it clear you know their game and you ain't havin' it, that's usually more than enough to frustrate them and send them reeling away helpless. I would be lying if I said I've never gotten some small bit of satisfaction from such a thing though .

[zedro]

  
In light of there being in these forums such strong perennial interest in dark forces, dark beings and all that jazz, I would offer here a couple of Confederation quotes pointing out that, as groovy as the darkness may appear, the light just might have an whole lot more to offer....if you're into that sort of thing
......

In light of all this, why exactly would anyone of a positive orientation prefer to play games with negative entities?  Is there more to it than ego?  I wonder.
  

This is an incredibly naive interpretation that perhaps is representative of a lack of experience in these matters. This is akin to going to a village in the middle of a famine and wondering why the people prefer to starve. Some of us have been subjugated by dark forces our whole lives without us being aware of what it actually was and why we were targets, and it can take alot of work to free ourselves from it. Some of us see the pitfalls of others falling into the traps of darkness, all while thinking they are blissfully walking in the light. Some of us have the wisdom to understand why Don ended his life in such a dramatic fashion, and we don't want to see it happen to anyone else if it can be helped (it may not necessarily be, and that's another thing to understand). Some of us understand there is a greater battle, and that some of us are already implicated in it. Perhaps you are not, or perhaps you don't even realize you are. Ra may talk about putting the cards down, yet there they are, at our door step again due to their karmic attachments from another era, because perhaps they did not fully understand the interplay that the dark had with their actions.

What concerns me is this obsession with controlling the narrative, of coordinating the culture here. There's a particular monster thread here that demonstrates it quite nicely. If people don't understand why there is darkness, and why it's a valid topic, I would suggest one reflect and educate themselves on a broader perspective, or at least adopt some more empathy. Some people need to be aware of what forces are possibly at play on them to identify how to free themselves to fully access the light. I have witnessed too many 'new agey' Lightworkers that are being completely manipulated by the dark, and yet they have not even a clue as they lack any true self awareness while thinking the are a shinning example of everything that is good and are somehow exempt from the bad (the fallacy of virtue). But the forum owners can also decide to only cater to one half of the puzzle, and limit the scope. That is a choice, but it would diminish the usefulness of this place IMO, because from what I've seen there is a lack of balance in most sites, either focusing too much on one polarity or the other. Considering where the source material comes from, I think it would be incongruent to ignore the greater story.

It is worrying to me how much this issue is underestimated, and just because it may not be central to ones development (or it might be, they just may still be unaware), one cannot ascertain that it isn't in others, and dismiss it. Wanderers are especially prone to attack depending on their reason for being here, and it may be important for them to gain knowledge from it, this is not up to anyone to judge, one either understands why or they don't.

It's like a child wondering why people are fighting and just can't get along....while they are essentially right, they are also completely out of their depth of understanding the complicated interplay of forces that is the creation. The negative polarity exists whether one likes it or not, and it can affect them (directly or indirectly) whether they understand it or not. So if one thinks they have it all figured out and just want to sit in a circle and sing cumbaya, well then fine. But they shouldn't dismiss the challenges of others that they don't understand. And no, I do not consider the 'light and love' aspects to be simple, it is very deep, but so is the dark, and one can understand aspects of the light through the aspects of the dark thru the law of correspondence, it may just depend on what vantage point they are starting from in this current leg of their journey.

I was never here for the 'love is STO' vs 'wisdom is STS' false dichotomy era of battles in these forums, but I certainly see the pattern emerge once and awhile. Don't worry about these topics 'detuning' the forum, it's not up to anyone to judge or dismiss others experiences with darker forces, but one can certainly offer advice based on their current understandings, and let it be complimented with the understandings of the corresponding view. Let there be the Yin and the Yang in the discussion.

And I have yet to see anyone 'play games' with negative entities here, at least no more than the LL group did when they were being "greeted". Sometimes monsters show up at your door, and it's good to know how to deal with them in the smartest way possible. It's not as obvious as one may think.

[meadow-foreigner]

Every single person is influenced by spiritual entities all the time. It's up to each individual to choose to either be aware of it or not.

As above, so below.

As much as a human being's organism is inhabited by various second-density beings in various regions of the body. There's a relationship between densities and bodies occurring between 3D and 4D, on a metaphysical level.

Thoughts are suggested from outside sources all the time, and with discernment, you can identify the truly positive sources from the posing positive sources from the blatantly negative ones.

There are entities that, no matter how subtle they operate, leave traces of their behavior throughout a specific set of patterns, which follow a programming code.

Learn the code, learn the way these entities operate. If you learn and understand their algorithms, they can be easily defused and not have your energy feeding them any longer because of your awareness.

[jafar]

I concur mostly with what @Zedro & @meadow-foreigner said.

There are 'events' which we are being dragged to, without knowingly the reason why.

Based on my experience, 'dark' and 'light' or STS and STO is not a static and absolute 'boolean-ish' kind of thing.
It's very dynamic in nature, it changes over time. One can be predominantly STO now and turned into predominantly STS in 5 years from now.

And it's a mixture, just like a sound or music is a mixture of both low and high frequency, it changes over time, sometimes the low frequency (the bass) become dominant sometime the high frequency (the treble) become dominant.

Thus 'Dark' and 'light', STS and STO is also not an exclusive 'club' or 'label' that one can easily identify themselves with using either-or rule. Such as when one claim that he/she is an STO then there is no way that he/she can be an STS and/or he/she should keep away from STS to keep his/her STO's purity.

In concurrence with Zedro's opinion, there is a benefit of exploring the 'dark', and learning every aspect of it.
The benefit is one can easily recognized the opposite, not merely by label or claim but by the 'essence' and 'attribute' of it.
Dark help one to recognize Light and vice versa, Light help one to recognize the Dark.

If an "Angel" appear and asking for your praise, offering help in return for something that you do, getting pissed off / angry or speak highly about themselves then such characteristics will show the "Angel" true polarity.
The same rules based on traits, apparently also valid with physical being such as living human being.

Speaking about "Angel" has anyone here meet or interact with such being?
I'm interested to learn your story, feel free to PM me if it's too sensitive to be shared publicly.

[meadow-foreigner]

I concur mostly with what @Zedro & @meadow-foreigner said.

There are 'events' which we are being dragged to, without knowingly the reason why.

Based on my experience, 'dark' and 'light' or STS and STO is not a static and absolute 'boolean-ish' kind of thing.
It's very dynamic in nature, it changes over time. One can be predominantly STO now and turned into predominantly STS in 5 years from now.

And it's a mixture, just like a sound or music is a mixture of both low and high frequency, it changes over time, sometimes the low frequency (the bass) become dominant sometime the high frequency (the treble) become dominant.

Thus 'Dark' and 'light', STS and STO is also not an exclusive 'club' or 'label' that one can easily identify themselves with using either-or rule. Such as when one claim that he/she is an STO then there is no way that he/she can be an STS and/or he/she should keep away from STS to keep his/her STO's purity.

In concurrence with Zedro's opinion, there is a benefit of exploring the 'dark', and learning every aspect of it.
The benefit is one can easily recognized the opposite, not merely by label or claim but by the 'essence' and 'attribute' of it.
Dark help one to recognize Light and vice versa, Light help one to recognize the Dark.

If an "Angel" appear and asking for your praise, offering help in return for something that you do, getting pissed off / angry or speak highly about themselves then such characteristics will show the "Angel" true polarity.
The same rules based on traits, apparently also valid with physical being such as living human being.

Speaking about "Angel" has anyone here meet or interact with such being?
I'm interested to learn your story, feel free to PM me if it's too sensitive to be shared publicly.

There is a city, accessible somewhere beyond a portal, in which their denizens are apparently really nice-looking and really positive. There is apparent order, harmony, and peace there. Much nature, much green, much consonance, at a first glance. Like in Ira Levin's This Perfect Day book.

However, there is a strict police force in the city. An amusing thing for somewhere so harmonic, wouldn't you think?

Then, while talking to one of these denizens, they reacted VIOLENTLY against the mention of the word "God", as if they really didn't like that word or what it meant. There, they praised this "Father" instead and insisted that only such word ought to be mentioned.

Mentions of the word "God" were abhorred by them. Isn't that interesting?

The most damaging negativity isn't the blatant, flag-waving one. It's the covert, insidious, serpent-like.

[Patrick]

I admit to being naive. To me the negative path seems like so much work. Some might think that being STO means that serving all is more work. But the little I remember of my path on the negative side is that work is pretty much all there is.

[zedro]

I admit to being naive. To me the negative path seems like so much work. Some might think that being STO means that serving all is more work. But the little I remember of my path on the negative side is that work is pretty much all there is.

It's not about exploring the STS path, but understanding those who do (incarnate or otherwise). Because if you can understand them, and how they operate, you will less likely be a 'mark', let alone a victim, or be subtlety subject to their influence (and this could simply be the act of promoting ideas that keep you naive about them). Not understanding how they influence/control the environment around you may subject you to their plans and pitfalls. You may never be at risk of getting 'turned', but you can certainly be kept in limbo or suffer other hardships without realizing. It's essentially being street smart, you don't need to be a thug, but it helps if you know the lay of the land and the rules of the game. And even if everything remains ideal for you, being wiser can help you better serve others.

(Note I am not suggesting anyone visit any dark alleys, or dwell on the negative aspects compulsively, but you can safely read about it here to at least be mildly informed. And my apologies if this all sounds rather dark and ominous, but I prefer being straight about these things, I don't take it lightly...pun intended?)

[Black Dragon]

I absolutely agree that discussion of such negative entities and their methods is absolutely not to be shied away from just because it's not "pleasant". It's as useful and pertinent as any other topic on this site. Many wanderers and people in general drawn to a site like this have their own "battles" in this area throughout their life whether they are aware or not, as has been stated on this thread. Most of us are somewhat aware, and have even been able to sniff out a few of their avenues of attack, but we've all got blindsides too. When we discuss our experiences in this area, we have each others backs by potentially spotting a blind spot/chink in the armor/avenue of attack that another may be overlooking by virtue of their own unique distortions that we can more easily see and vice-versa. I'd say this is a good thing.

[Minyatur]

In light of all this, why exactly would anyone of a positive orientation prefer to play games with negative entities?  Is there more to it than ego?  I wonder.

This quote came to mind, although I'm not really sure what you had in mind.

We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One.

[Patrick]

I admit to being naive. To me the negative path seems like so much work. Some might think that being STO means that serving all is more work. But the little I remember of my path on the negative side is that work is pretty much all there is.

It's not about exploring the STS path, but understanding those who do (incarnate or otherwise). Because if you can understand them, and how they operate, you will less likely be a 'mark', let alone a victim, or be subtlety subject to their influence (and this could simply be the act of promoting ideas that keep you naive about them). Not understanding how they influence/control the environment around you may subject you to their plans and pitfalls. You may never be at risk of getting 'turned', but you can certainly be kept in limbo or suffer other hardships without realizing. It's essentially being street smart, you don't need to be a thug, but it helps if you know the lay of the land and the rules of the game. And even if everything remains ideal for you, being wiser can help you better serve others.

(Note I am not suggesting anyone visit any dark alleys, or dwell on the negative aspects compulsively, but you can safely read about it here to at least be mildly informed. And my apologies if this all sounds rather dark and ominous, but I prefer being straight about these things, I don't take it lightly...pun intended?)

That is not the area I believe to be naïve about.  I have great confidence in my abilities to spot STS influences (having walked that path myself to its conclusion).  Where I am naïve is in thinking that knowledge of the Law of One would automatically highlight how ridiculously more difficult the left hand path is compared to the right hand path.  Maybe for one having only a purely materialistic perspective, the STS path will seem like the easiest and most comfortable.  I cannot fathom what led me, eons ago, to walk the left hand path up to 6d.  I did not bring that awareness with me here.  So that makes me naïve about the reasons one would choose that path.  Maybe it's just the pleasures that it brings.  That I do remember.  The pleasures of power over others in all sorts of "sick" twisted ways.  I guess my diatribe basically answers my own question in the end. Work is not all there is on that path.  

Anyway, in retrospect I do not believe we absolutely need to understand why the STS path is chosen but how it interacts with the STO path.  I can understand the interests in knowing more about the negative path per se.  I did have a thread in the past trying to shed some light: Understanding negativity with The Law of One

EDIT: I also found this old thread again, wow I can't believe I wrote that: Are you awake? We change so fast !

[flofrog]

totally agree about " how it interacts with the STO path" which is also, unless I am wrong, what Black Dragon was mentioning above. Perhaps there is a point where one feels less interest, just personally, as one slowly reaches more moments of unity ?

[flofrog]

I have to say, togo back to Sacred Fool initial OP, which after all was about angels, I happened to have a sort of grass root thing with angel.

This was many years ago, like thirty years. I was driving on a rough road in the afternoon to pick up my daughter at a basket ball training at her school.  The road I was on was passing under a freeway, and just as I arrived in sight of the bridge under which I would drive, I saw that, approaching on my left, from the ramp to the freeway, an  accident had just happened. There was glass debris and two cars damaged. Then I suddenly realized I had a flat tire, completely flat in like four seconds so I stopped by the side. My four years old son was sitting in the back so I told him, you'd better sit stil it's all ok, we are going to be fine.

Then I got to the trunk and took out the tools and the small spare tire. At that time a blue pickup stopped right behind me and a young man came out and gently said, if you like I can change your tire.  I looked at him and said you know an accident just happened across the street and maybe they need your help more. He said nothing and just went back and sat on the hood of his pick up truck, and just looked at me. Not like here is a brainless blonde, but more like I will just sit there that is all.

After having got the jack under the car I turned around ( I could see my little boy trying to see what was going on) and I said, a bit ashamed, all right then, you know if you are not interested into this more interesting accident, if you dont mind helping me then.
He said nothing, just smiled and then in like 45 seconds he had changed the tire. I thanked him said I wish I could do the same for him or something as smart as that, he just smiled and climbed back in his truck.  And then,  he made a U turn and drove away in the other direction.

[Diana]

... Perhaps there is a point where one feels less interest, just personally, as one slowly reaches more moments of unity ?

From Ra:

80.12 ▶ Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.

[Glow]

In light of all this, why exactly would anyone of a positive orientation prefer to play games with negative entities?  Is there more to it than ego?  I wonder.

This quote came to mind, although I'm not really sure what you had in mind.

We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One.

Following all this. Do none of those who dabble facing energies (negative or positive) not realize we are facing parts of self. Rather parts within the individuate self call to parts in the larger self, generally because like in the material - experience teaches us until we heal/grow what we need to heal/grow.

That which is attracted to us energetically is actually what we call.

There is a lot of focus on fear, and ways of combat but heal what is within, love what has been made seperate. Reunion is how we become whole not through battle within the one.

That’s why only up to 4D do these battles happen.
Fighting ourselve isn’t fully 4D or wisdom of 5D.

It is just a game of distraction just like war here in the material.
We are all one. Enjoy the game if you feel drawn but it is t necessary to move forward. No one needs to be beat. It’s us.
We need to heal. Distraction energetic or material can be a path to experience that helps us heal, but it’s not something to fear. One can go direct to that wound inside then it doesn’t call it from the larger whole as catylist.

I like Patrick am thinking more catylist is WAY to much work.
I’d rather ask what within me is calling to be healed.

I even do this with physical injuries.
What is this physical injury a manifestation of that I’m not getting.

Then I do my best to heal/accept/assimilate/grow those things to avoid further catylist be it energetic or physical.

The lazy way maybe but I need no more battles. No one is to blame. I’m not interested in the game of seperation.
No one is enemy. I just choose love and unity and wish for all parts to be healed.

[Glow]

  
In light of there being in these forums such strong perennial interest in dark forces, dark beings and all that jazz, I would offer here a couple of Confederation quotes pointing out that, as groovy as the darkness may appear, the light just might have an whole lot more to offer....if you're into that sort of thing. 

My guess is that many who read a few books about the positive path feel that they have it mostly figured out after a short time because, in part, it's all light and obvious, right?  But could it perhaps be the case that experiential mysteries on the light side could actually go far deeper than the darkness?

Questioner: Does every person have an angel?

Most have more than one angel, depending upon how much of a stinker they really are.* The ones who are kindly affectioned, one to another, have as many as twelve, that is normally the complete assortment of angels that one individual will have.

Angels exist as part of the higher personality of each individual in order to give guidance, self confidence and a feeling of support. Very few among your peoples know how to call upon their angels, and yet they are there and they are as full of love and light as are we. But they are members of your planetary sphere, and thus they have the right to do a little bit more for you than we can. In other words they have the right to be with you, whether you request it or not.
Their rights only stop at the point where the person denies that there are such beings, denies the deity, the spirit, and love itself. This does not remove the angel from the person, but it renders the angel completely helpless, and so the angel patiently and consistently will set up again and again a situation, in which the person who does not believe will see something which, if he thinks about it, can open the door to belief. This much an angel may do; we cannot. We can only come when we are specifically called. For we are not of your planetary sphere, and thus must obey the law of Creation, which is total free will.

Questioner: (Inaudible).

It depends upon your state of belief as to whether angels can physically aid you. If you believe in their reality, they can do almost anything, for grace is given unto those who believe. And the angels are the ministers of that grace. They are people such as you, who had learned through many lifetimes to glorify and praise the Creator. Thus, having learned, the angel can pass on the power and the invocation of light. There is nothing more powerful than the light of the spirit. Thus, if you pray and hear the rustle of angels’ wings, so be it. You have made contact with a part of your personality that links you with the perfection of the Creator.

It is, however, incumbent upon the angel to know the limits of the laws of Creation and the will of the Father. Thus, the angels’ laws are not those of your illusion but those of reality, and so it may seem at times that your requests are not being met. And if this is so, it is because it is not the will of your higher self which shares the perfection of the Creator. For remember that you yourself are the co-creator with the Creator and thus a perfect being, who in some part of yourself knows what you must learn, and how you must learn it in this particular experience. Those who make complete use of their meditation, their prayer, and their faith lead the life of harmony that you would expect of one who lives with the knowledge of the love and the plan of the Creator. The angels are simply messengers of his love, as are we.

*Italics added, just for fun.


This passage is preceded by a brief discussion of balancing: intemperance/patience, and so forth.  Here the state that there is a state beyond balancing "stuff."

There is another way, my friends, and that is available to you only through meditation. And when you enter into this [supernal] joy of infinite life and are one with angels and spirits of high divinity, praising the Creator, then there is no balancing necessary. For this is a joy without what you call emotion. It is so wholehearted, as you would call it, that there is no balancing necessary in order to sustain the energy of the feeling. In fact, joy is not a feeling but a creative force. And another word for that is love. And that is what we greet you with, and that is what we always leave you with.

  

In light of all this, why exactly would anyone of a positive orientation prefer to play games with negative entities?  Is there more to it than ego?  I wonder.
  
   

Thank you for posting this SF.

I actually have some experience with my soul:team that this puts into perspective. Things they can do for you, that one can’t do on their own.

I have a lot of help as I grow closer to my soul/team(angels).
They are responsible for much of my job, because honestly I need their help daily. Without them it was a struggle.

I ask for so much help in daily life I’m sure many would be shocked, but hey they appreciate my “keeping at it” and I need them to do what they can to aid me.

Anyways I appreciate the quote.

Also the belief thing. I think that is intrinsic to how it works. Without trust there is no power, with expectation, not greed but knowing they are going to help, they are pretty helpful.

Of course I’m not asking for millions or material things really, just help.
I’m sure my soul portion in the body rejects the call for millions before it could even be made so that wouldn’t be energized by them. Not a plan we resonate with.

Anyways to much about me but I loved how the quote resonated with my guidance and my experience. It seemed weird to live, but the quote says it’s not weird at all so that’s great. Now to get everyone to utilize the help with them and we will be a much less stressed group of individuate GOD.

[Minyatur]

So that makes me naïve about the reasons one would choose that path.  

I believe that each time the Creator makes this choice, it is to a an extent unique. So the reasons are potentially infinite and it is all about perception. As existence reflects truth undistorted, in the nexus in which it does happens there is no better choice. It is what the entire of everything would have chosen, or we could say has chosen.

No one is ever wrong within the limits of their perception, it is merely the perception that is limited. As such, everything can effectively be understood and forgiven. Like the material says, to the STS entities green ray is folly and so they are also very naïve as to the reasons one would choose the STO path.

[Glow]

I have to say, togo back to Sacred Fool initial OP, which after all was about angels, I happened to have a sort of grass root thing with angel.

This was many years ago, like thirty years. I was driving on a rough road in the afternoon to pick up my daughter at a basket ball training at her school.  The road I was on was passing under a freeway, and just as I arrived in sight of the bridge under which I would drive, I saw that, approaching on my left, from the ramp to the freeway, an  accident had just happened. There was glass debris and two cars damaged. Then I suddenly realized I had a flat tire, completely flat in like four seconds so I stopped by the side. My four years old son was sitting in the back so I told him, you'd better sit stil it's all ok, we are going to be fine.

Then I got to the trunk and took out the tools and the small spare tire. At that time a blue pickup stopped right behind me and a young man came out and gently said, if you like I can change your tire.  I looked at him and said you know an accident just happened across the street and maybe they need your help more. He said nothing and just went back and sat on the hood of his pick up truck, and just looked at me. Not like here is a brainless blonde, but more like I will just sit there that is all.

After having got the jack under the car I turned around ( I could see my little boy trying to see what was going on) and I said, a bit ashamed, all right then, you know if you are not interested into this more interesting accident, if you dont mind helping me then.
He said nothing, just smiled and then in like 45 seconds he had changed the tire. I thanked him said I wish I could do the same for him or something as smart as that, he just smiled and climbed back in his truck.  And then,  he made a U turn and drove away in the other direction.

(((Hug))) I love that!

[sillypumpkins]

I have an honest question. Does the positive path not contain both light and darkness?

I ask this because the harvest requirement is 51%+/50%-..... so clearly there is a balance of light and dark there, if we are talking about minimal requirements at least

I agree that focusing on these things isn’t conducive to good health (on all levels) however I just don’t think it would do any good to just like...... never talk about these things? I don’t know, I might be missing what you’re saying totally hahahaha so let me know if that’s the case

[Sacred Fool]

I have an honest question. Does the positive path not contain both light and darkness?

I think Ra's "Are you not all things?" quote speaks well to your query.  Encompassing (or vibrating congruently with) all that is is the eventual outcome, according to the friendly aliens.  The aspect I was trying to bring out was not that, but what level of vibration one may or may not sink to when choosing to study or play in the dark, or what level of vibration one may or may not rise to when learning to incorporate angelic help and love in one's life.  It's clearly a free will choice (and not a static one), I was just offering a little light of awareness on the trade offs and the distinctions.  And that was exactly what was reflected back.

The OP presented a mirror and respondents saw themselves in it in one way or another, showing a wide spectrum of vibrations.  And so we move along as best we can, eh?
   

[zedro]

Anyway, in retrospect I do not believe we absolutely need to understand why the STS path is chosen but how it interacts with the STO path.  

We are on the same page then, although the 'why' could be somewhat inferred from the 'how', but it is not my interest either. Learning and educating on the 'how' is tho.

To be honest, even contemplating the 'why' aspect has terrified me sometimes as there's a part of me that worries the intellectual curiosity of what would make that choice seem ideal could somehow propel me down a terrifying spiritual path into STS. However I realize this fear comes from trauma and the STS path is not possible in my essence, it has been proven as such...it is the literal hell to me, and not a form of liberation at all. So I understand the reluctance some have over this subject.

[Black Dragon]

So, for the sake of balance and rounding out the other side of this discussion...positive influence. Angelic influence. Higher self influence. Positive ET influence. Subtly different, but for the sake of this conversation all germane to the idea of "messengers of love". I have not discussed this subject much, except from the standpoint of somebody who has wounds of abandonment and a feeling of being "in over my head" with no protection or help from any positive or "angelic" influences. I have been told a lot of it is s*** with my higher self and certain agreements/lessons. Doesn't make it any easier, but perhaps I could cite a positive example.

Imagine one day I get up and read the "quote of the day", one I've read once or twice before but that day is a fitting thing to contemplate. Let's say it's an allegory of the process of the soul being refined in the fires of 3d Earth life and the rough personality of the incarnation being shaped to a form that is a more refined embodiment of the true spirit. I go out to have a morning smoke and I think for a bit about the quote, about my life and other interrelated concepts, and a phrase comes to me in my mind about applying that to my life that's rather catchy and inspired. It seems that it came from the higher self or another positive influence interjected into my thoughts but with my own sort of phrasing.

(Now there has been a lot of talk about how this is done by negative beings, but it is also done by the positive ones. It is up to an individual seeker to learn how to discern and to tune in better to the signal and get off the wavelength of the "noise". Sometimes the feeling that nobody's guiding us could be because our inner radio is set more toward the "butthead channel" instead .)

So, on with the story. A few weeks, or even a couple months pass and some of the insights from that day are harder to remember. One thing easy to remember is the positive "catch phrase" though, because it really is catchy. It's in the back of my memory, but not really consciously thinking about it-until I'm having a discussion on here with another member in which they are giving me advice about that same topic of refinement of the personality using the same allegory in the "quote of the day", and then using the exact catch phrase word for word that the only other place I have ever heard it was my own internal dialogue.

Maybe something like that might just snap me out of my tunnel vision just a bit and realize the "angelic" influences that could have been present the entire time had I been a bit more attentive?

[Sacred Fool]

  
That's a wonderful tale.
  

[zedro]

So, for the sake of balance and rounding out the other side of this discussion...positive influence. Angelic influence. Higher self influence. Positive ET influence. Subtly different, but for the sake of this conversation all germane to the idea of "messengers of love". I have not discussed this subject much, except from the standpoint of somebody who has wounds of abandonment and a feeling of being "in over my head" with no protection or help from any positive or "angelic" influences. I have been told a lot of it is s*** with my higher self and certain agreements/lessons. Doesn't make it any easier, but perhaps I could cite a positive example.

Imagine one day I get up and read the "quote of the day", one I've read once or twice before but that day is a fitting thing to contemplate. Let's say it's an allegory of the process of the soul being refined in the fires of 3d Earth life and the rough personality of the incarnation being shaped to a form that is a more refined embodiment of the true spirit. I go out to have a morning smoke and I think for a bit about the quote, about my life and other interrelated concepts, and a phrase comes to me in my mind about applying that to my life that's rather catchy and inspired. It seems that it came from the higher self or another positive influence interjected into my thoughts but with my own sort of phrasing.

(Now there has been a lot of talk about how this is done by negative beings, but it is also done by the positive ones. It is up to an individual seeker to learn how to discern and to tune in better to the signal and get off the wavelength of the "noise". Sometimes the feeling that nobody's guiding us could be because our inner radio is set more toward the "butthead channel" instead .)

So, on with the story. A few weeks, or even a couple months pass and some of the insights from that day are harder to remember. One thing easy to remember is the positive "catch phrase" though, because it really is catchy. It's in the back of my memory, but not really consciously thinking about it-until I'm having a discussion on here with another member in which they are giving me advice about that same topic of refinement of the personality using the same allegory in the "quote of the day", and then using the exact catch phrase word for word that the only other place I have ever heard it was my own internal dialogue.

Maybe something like that might just snap me out of my tunnel vision just a bit and realize the "angelic" influences that could have been present the entire time had I been a bit more attentive?

I feel the positive influencers may be used sparingly, perhaps more on an emergency basis if we have been so clouded in darkness. It can definitely be very subtle, thru synchronicities, energetic shifts, or live interactions with people who may have no idea they are delivering a veiled message. Like you're getting beat up so bad, and just as you're about to give up, something or someone uplifts you and keeps you from completely falling into the abyss. I think it really depends on your blueprint, direction and current polarization, or karmic circumstances, to who can greet you and how, on either side of the coin.

Well before I was awakened, I was subject to hideous games that I did not fully understand, both acted upon in the seen and unseen, making me doubt myself on many levels. But once and awhile, a kind stranger would come out of nowhere with a message and reassure me I would be ok, in some form of another, or in another case, a dose of life saving hope sweeping over me as a wave of calm and stillness. I was never offered any real explanation to what I was being subjected to or why, but some relief would come once and awhile as a life preserver, even if just temporary as to let me catch my breath, or in one life altering swoop, the nudge to unleash enough courage and strength to smash the game to pieces. While the negative can be obvious and brutal, the good is alot more subtle, as I believe it's a more careful dance around the Law of Confusion, and gives you just the right amount of what you need to still preserve catalyst but promote growth. But once you start understanding yourself, the games and it's players, the knowledge allows you access to more 'ressources' as you cross multiple LoC thresholds. Of course it's a bit paradoxical, as the more knowledge you have and the more you polarize, the less help you might alternatively need, but just knowing you have friends gives you a special empowerment, albeit with an understanding of the limitations.

[flofrog]

, the good is alot more subtle, as I believe it's a more careful dance around the Law of Confusion, and gives you just the right amount of what you need to still preserve catalyst but promote growth.

I believe that too, totally.

[Louisabell]

  

Questioner: Does every person have an angel?
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Their rights only stop at the point where the person denies that there are such beings, denies the deity, the spirit, and love itself. This does not remove the angel from the person, but it renders the angel completely helpless, and so the angel patiently and consistently will set up again and again a situation, in which the person who does not believe will see something which, if he thinks about it, can open the door to belief.
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Questioner: (Inaudible).

It depends upon your state of belief as to whether angels can physically aid you. If you believe in their reality, they can do almost anything, for grace is given unto those who believe. And the angels are the ministers of that grace.

I think these quotes speak of the difficulties that one faces on embarking on the STO path, for without faith in the power of positivity, there is a limit to how large a part it can play in one's life, or more accurately, how aware we can be to it. It can be hard to see how one would even desire to be of service to others when one feels so under-served in their own life. But it is in finding the ability to be self-sufficient in where true power lies. Just as Ra states how catalyst is intended so that we may discover "the self as all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy." (34.6) The more faith in positivity, the more healing that can occur. From more healing comes more joy, and from this joy our faith is empowered once again. You could say that it is a positive feedback loop which compounds on itself, until the point where our faith allows us all the grace and help we could ever desire. Yet, we may come to hardly think to call for such help due to how clear it becomes that all is, was and will be well.  

I have to say that the negative forces do occupy a dear place in my heart. Nobody knows my distortions as intimately as the darkness does, or can devise temptations that tug quite so hard at my heartstrings. Nothing is quite as exhilarating as feeling so known. It's been difficult giving up some of the temptations, parting with some of them have even been a cause of grief (such skilled revealers of self to self that negative greeters can be). But allowing that which is not needed to fall is critical in moving towards transparency of self, moving towards being that "most humble servant of all" (74.11). How paradoxical that humility is what provides one the most spiritual strength, impenetrable and full of potential power. It does not seem so obvious at first.

So there is a place for both the light and dark on any path, everything is useful, but if we are to reach 'escape velocity', we must build up a charge in one direction or the other. Either we are invested in what is, or in what is not. And all that love and light stuff ... when it shines in such intensity that one more drop would feel like your soul would be torn to pieces, it doesn't seem so quaint or trite then.

20.9 Questioner: Thank you. Yesterday we were speaking of the split that takes place in third density when an entity either consciously or because of bias chooses the path of service to others or service to self. The philosophical question of why such a split even exists came up. It is my impression that as it is in electricity, if we have no polarity in electricity we have no electricity; we have no action, we have no…. Therefore, I am assuming that in consciousness without such polarity there would be no action or experience. Is this correct?

Ra: This is correct. You may use the general term “work.”

20.10 Questioner: Then the concept of service to self or service to others is mandatory if we wish to have work, whether it be work in consciousness or work in the mechanical or Newtonian concept in the physical. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct with one addendum. The coil, as you may understand this term, is wound, is potential, is ready. The thing that is missing without polarizing is the charge.

[flofrog]

How interesting Louisabell. That was lovely.

It’s so true that self sufficiency creates some sort of intense serenity. And service, work for others can create sometimes, in very internal depth, some sort of ecstasy, when suddenly the other becomes yourself. And looking squarely at our shadow, there in the dark, has this friendly, warm feeling of finally accepting it. That last one really acts as a small messenger of love.

[Sacred Fool]

But it is in finding the ability to be self-sufficient in where true power lies. Just as Ra states how catalyst is intended so that we may discover "the self as all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy." (34.6)

Before you arise from your bed, call for help. Your guidance system cannot begin to act actively in your life unless you call it, not just once but every day and every moment.

Wisdom has a tendency to create within an entity the feeling that he or she is powerful and self-sufficient.

The Creatrix is self-sufficient, indeed, but the small self is not, evidently.  There's an awkward element being touched upon in this thread regarding how much light to take into oneself and how much darkness.  Taking in darkness, taking on the dark, can engender pleasant feelings of power, self possession, the wisdom of having "knowledge of the game" and all that.  As you say, one can learn much about self from all that. 

At the same time it can become its own untidy little sinkhole in this sense.  Access to full-flowing self-awareness in the higher energy centers requires basically all of one's spiritual energy to be employed in this effort, and this is assisted by availing oneself of all available resources to support this upward flow of being (i.e., seeking support from spirit guides, angels and the like).  And it is retarded when significant amounts of energy are used to take in or take on the darkness (because significant amounts of energy are therefore unavailable for the upward journey of seeking fuller consciousness).

Of course, this is not an either/or proposition, particularly when one finds within oneself, let's say, some significant propensity to groove with powerful feeling vibrations.  In that case one must surely learn about what one is given to find within.  My only concern here (in posting this thread)--for any to take or leave--is to note that accepting maximal spiritual help (as measured by your own standards) is a very productive way to move closer to experiencing one's own true vibration.  This might be an important reminder for those whose goal is to be of service to the Creatrix by vibrating as your deepest being and are hoping to move in that direction efficiently.

   

[Louisabell]

The Creatrix is self-sufficient, indeed, but the small self is not, evidently.  There's an awkward element being touched upon in this thread regarding how much light to take into oneself and how much darkness.  Taking in darkness, taking on the dark, can engender pleasant feelings of power, self possession, the wisdom of having "knowledge of the game" and all that.  As you say, one can learn much about self from all that. 

Oh dear, I most definately don't see myself as ever "taking on" the dark, but oh well, does it come anyway, or maybe it was always there to begin with and I just didn't see it before. Over time when circuits which carry the belief that everything in your path is for your highest good, are thoroughly energized and ran into the deep roots of mind, it just makes it so, because the deep mind is that powerful, or so I think. I always thought that the sending of love to a negative greeter was always for the effect on the sender, not so much the receiver. It puts the interaction in right-relationship. There are fruits which are yielded from the light, and then fruits gained from lessons with the dark. It would be inauthentic of me to not be utterly grateful for both. There is a part of me that is apprehensive about allowing my full appreciation to shine, lest it invite further catalytic action, so there is some weariness there. Yet I am finding that sometimes the powers of positivity can reach almost gross levels.  

At the same time it can become its own untidy little sinkhole in this sense.  Access to full-flowing self-awareness in the higher energy centers requires basically all of one's spiritual energy to be employed in this effort, and this is assisted by availing oneself of all available resources to support this upward flow of being (i.e., seeking support from spirit guides, angels and the like).  And it is retarded when significant amounts of energy are used to take in or take on the darkness (because significant amounts of energy are therefore unavailable for the upward journey of seeking fuller consciousness).

Of course, this is not an either/or proposition, particularly when one finds within oneself, let's say, some significant propensity to groove with powerful feeling vibrations.  In that case one must surely learn about what one is given to find within.  My only concern here (in posting this thread)--for any to take or leave--is to note that accepting maximal spiritual help (as measured by your own standards) is a very productive way to move closer to experiencing one's own true vibration.  This might be an important reminder for those whose goal is to be of service to the Creatrix by vibrating as your deepest being and are hoping to move in that direction efficiently.
   

Well, I don't see belief as a switch that you turn on or off. I see it as something you potentiate with infinite degrees of intensity. So when I spoke of self-sufficiency, I meant the means by which we carry the charge within to allow one's self to be moved, inspired, guided and ultimately used as an instrument of the Creatrix. That is what I see as self-sufficiency, not so much the lack of interaction with other-selves.

[Sacred Fool]

So when I spoke of self-sufficiency, I meant the means by which we carry the charge within to allow one's self to be moved, inspired, guided and ultimately used as an instrument of the Creatrix. That is what I see as self-sufficiency, not so much the lack of interaction with other-selves.

Perhaps I should have been more clear.  I wasn't trying to quibble with your wording, but your quoting Ra was a way I could use that multi-meaning phrase, self-sufficiency, to make a point I wished to advance.