I want to explore the negative polarity.

[jafar]

Ok - serious question ... doesn't anyone think that there may be some "trickery afoot" when it comes to progressing on the STS path?

Example - you live your 3D existence busting your butt to build up this godly ego, only then to graduate as a pleb into a 4D negative social-memory-complex with a 5D entity at its head. You go from being Genghis Khan, greatest warlord that ever lived, to ... a shipping clerk  

11.15 ... Ra: I am Ra. ... He is, as you would term this entity, a shipping clerk.

Like it has to be some kind of joke right?

Hmm yes..

But that is nothing new for Temujin...
He started out as a little boy in a small tribe, watching his dad got murdered,  abandoned and betrayed by his own tribe, tortured and enslaved by other tribe, wife got kidnapped, raped and pregnant by the seed of her kidnapper.

Through experiencing pain, hardship, humiliation and fear he will built his power to the top, as he has did before.

For 'the negs' all of the fear and hate based experience is a catalyst to become stronger.
He might serve his current master now, out of fear, as 'shipping clerk' but after he gained enough strength eventually he will lay out a 'coup' to his own master to become the new master. Only to find out that there's another master up in the hierarchy, and the cycle repeat as he works his way to the top of the hierarchy.

And yes, I admit to totally projecting my own fears onto this equation. I hate the concept of a STS path, I wish it was never mentioned in the LOO, which was supposed to be a philosophy of unity, not duality. All this focus on duality has given me this ridiculous irrational fear that I'll somehow graduate to 4D negative, unwittingly. I have no idea why I can't shake this irrational fear, as I actually do really love people, that's never been all that hard for me.

Stay focus on the 'hate', the 'fear', the 'pain' and the 'anger' to explore the negative polarity...

[Minyatur]

To be honest, I think the STS path is much more complex and varied than some make it sound like. Then again, we are in an experiment within which the biggest thematic is confusion, so it might be understandable that both what this path is and its expression is highly distorted from its actual essence.

Choosing a path to me is ultimately about building up a conviction in one's own exploration of oneself. Through distillment, it surely always leads to an embrace of all because that is what your self is and which you come to better realize as your ability of perception grows with time. Meaning, the STS path is not wrong in want it stands for, outside that it holds upon paradoxes of perception born from the multiple layers of illusions that make up our experience. Much like the STO path you could say. Both paths ultimately are equally a paradoxical dance, just that the transcendence of this play, or game, requires an internalization of completeness within the self, as inevitably comes a realization that you are truly all things. In knowledge of Oneness, it is a certainty that moving through the STS path as an other-self is actually the right choice in whatever circumstances it occurs. It might not be your current immediate right choice to yourself, nor something you like to think about, but the nuances that generate the nexus of where your other-self is, as you in external circumstances, making this choice make it rightful and reflect the truth of it to yourself. The entirety of existence, in all its forms, is already the answer to it all. The past is never invalidated, it merely transforms through growth.

Technically speaking, the only way you could "help" someone off the negative path into moving toward the positive one, is to offer them unbiased complete acceptance. If you just make fun of what it is, or render unjust to have a leaning towards it, then you are clearly just reinforcing the darkness through your own needs of distilling the shadow portions of yourself that you fail to recognize as being an integral part of yourself. On the other hand, offering acceptance of the rightfulness of where someone is at, offers this being the choice to receive this energy of acceptance and in turn touch healing.

It is fine to strive toward the light, just that one has to be wary to not cast their own shadows in the process and reinforce the darkness to seek to see disappear.

[Louisabell]

To be honest, I think the STS path is much more complex and varied than some make it sound like. Then again, we are in an experiment within which the biggest thematic is confusion, so it might be understandable that both what this path is and its expression is highly distorted from its actual essence.

Choosing a path to me is ultimately about building up a conviction in one's own exploration of oneself. Through distillment, it surely always leads to an embrace of all because that is what your self is and which you come to better realize as your ability of perception grows with time. Meaning, the STS path is not wrong in want it stands for, outside that it holds upon paradoxes of perception born from the multiple layers of illusions that make up our experience. Much like the STO path you could say. Both paths ultimately are equally a paradoxical dance, just that the transcendence of this play, or game, requires an internalization of completeness within the self, as inevitably comes a realization that you are truly all things. In knowledge of Oneness, it is a certainty that moving through the STS path as an other-self is actually the right choice in whatever circumstances it occurs. It might not be your current immediate right choice to yourself, nor something you like to think about, but the nuances that generate the nexus of where your other-self is, as you in external circumstances, making this choice make it rightful and reflect the truth of it to yourself. The entirety of existence, in all its forms, is already the answer to it all. The past is never invalidated, it merely transforms through growth.

Technically speaking, the only way you could "help" someone off the negative path into moving toward the positive one, is to offer them unbiased complete acceptance. If you just make fun of what it is, or render unjust to have a leaning towards it, then you are clearly just reinforcing the darkness through your own needs of distilling the shadow portions of yourself that you fail to recognize as being an integral part of yourself. On the other hand, offering acceptance of the rightfulness of where someone is at, offers this being the choice to receive this energy of acceptance and in turn touch healing.

It is fine to strive toward the light, just that one has to be wary to not cast their own shadows in the process and reinforce the darkness to seek to see disappear.

Very asute observations Minyatur. I do not deny that I have shadow aspects, that I have fears. I am human.

Just to be clear, it is not my intention to 'help' anyone off their chosen path, or invalidating the STS path altogether. It is my perception (at least) that actually, I am affording it the weight it deserves.

In my estimation, pity is wasted on the STS path adherent. Indeed this entity is facing a long path with a great deal of challenge before it. And so, if my feeble and humble challenges (which are only based in the truth as I see it) are enough to sway such an entity, then may that speak for itself.

[throwawaynegative132]

Ok - serious question ... doesn't anyone think that there may be some "trickery afoot" when it comes to progressing on the STS path?

Example - you live your 3D existence busting your butt to build up this godly ego, only then to graduate as a pleb into a 4D negative social-memory-complex with a 5D entity at its head. You go from being Genghis Khan, greatest warlord that ever lived, to ... a shipping clerk  

11.15 ... Ra: I am Ra. ... He is, as you would term this entity, a shipping clerk.

Like it has to be some kind of joke right?

Hmm yes..

But that is nothing new for Temujin...
He started out as a little boy in a small tribe, watching his dad got murdered,  abandoned and betrayed by his own tribe, tortured and enslaved by other tribe, wife got kidnapped, raped and pregnant by the seed of her kidnapper.

Through experiencing pain, hardship, humiliation and fear he will built his power to the top, as he has did before.

For 'the negs' all of the fear and hate based experience is a catalyst to become stronger.
He might serve his current master now, out of fear, as 'shipping clerk' but after he gained enough strength eventually he will lay out a 'coup' to his own master to become the new master. Only to find out that there's another master up in the hierarchy, and the cycle repeat as he works his way to the top of the hierarchy.

And yes, I admit to totally projecting my own fears onto this equation. I hate the concept of a STS path, I wish it was never mentioned in the LOO, which was supposed to be a philosophy of unity, not duality. All this focus on duality has given me this ridiculous irrational fear that I'll somehow graduate to 4D negative, unwittingly. I have no idea why I can't shake this irrational fear, as I actually do really love people, that's never been all that hard for me.

Stay focus on the 'hate', the 'fear', the 'pain' and the 'anger' to explore the negative polarity...

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?
3d density evil is not refined enough and you can't compare it to 4th density. Khan just like many others could have just as easily switched. There is as much good as there is evil in each and every one of us and if you take a look at Hitler's life you will see exactly the same pattern.
I say all of this because it is very tragic. The reason so many turn to the dark side is not because they are inherently evil but because the world simply broke them and more importantly it is the people who stand by and do nothing while evil is commited proclaiming themselves to be good. They are the true wolves in sheeps clothing. The undecided who are cast into Dantes Inferno.
"Villains, crafted by the neglect of their good deeds, formed by rejection of their righteous intentions, and completed by the swift hammer of judgement of their pure souls. It is not that they were born with blackened hearts, but it was the world they tried to help that eclipsed the last bit of light that remained in their spirits. Villains are forgotten heroes, rejected saviors, good people who were neglected by those they loved."

To be honest, I think the STS path is much more complex and varied than some make it sound like. Then again, we are in an experiment within which the biggest thematic is confusion, so it might be understandable that both what this path is and its expression is highly distorted from its actual essence.

Choosing a path to me is ultimately about building up a conviction in one's own exploration of oneself. Through distillment, it surely always leads to an embrace of all because that is what your self is and which you come to better realize as your ability of perception grows with time. Meaning, the STS path is not wrong in want it stands for, outside that it holds upon paradoxes of perception born from the multiple layers of illusions that make up our experience. Much like the STO path you could say. Both paths ultimately are equally a paradoxical dance, just that the transcendence of this play, or game, requires an internalization of completeness within the self, as inevitably comes a realization that you are truly all things. In knowledge of Oneness, it is a certainty that moving through the STS path as an other-self is actually the right choice in whatever circumstances it occurs. It might not be your current immediate right choice to yourself, nor something you like to think about, but the nuances that generate the nexus of where your other-self is, as you in external circumstances, making this choice make it rightful and reflect the truth of it to yourself. The entirety of existence, in all its forms, is already the answer to it all. The past is never invalidated, it merely transforms through growth.

Technically speaking, the only way you could "help" someone off the negative path into moving toward the positive one, is to offer them unbiased complete acceptance. If you just make fun of what it is, or render unjust to have a leaning towards it, then you are clearly just reinforcing the darkness through your own needs of distilling the shadow portions of yourself that you fail to recognize as being an integral part of yourself. On the other hand, offering acceptance of the rightfulness of where someone is at, offers this being the choice to receive this energy of acceptance and in turn touch healing.

It is fine to strive toward the light, just that one has to be wary to not cast their own shadows in the process and reinforce the darkness to seek to see disappear.

Very asute observations Minyatur. I do not deny that I have shadow aspects, that I have fears. I am human.

Just to be clear, it is not my intention to 'help' anyone off their chosen path, or invalidating the STS path altogether. It is my perception (at least) that actually, I am affording it the weight it deserves.

In my estimation, pity is wasted on the STS path adherent. Indeed this entity is facing a long path with a great deal of challenge before it. And so, if my feeble and humble challenges (which are only based in the truth as I see it) are enough to sway such an entity, then may that speak for itself.

I will say this. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Ignorance and Arrogance are the worst of attributes one can have. There is nothing wrong with the STS path and it is not longer nor harder than the STO path. That was a generalization made. Ra and the others often make generalization but the amount of time an entity spends on either path is entirely dependant upon the individual. If it wasn't for the veil you'd all still be here drowning yourselves in an ocean of love instead of progressing in your spiritual evolution. There is as much bullshit on the positive path as there is on the negative. It is that which is refined over a long period of time on both sides. What truly matters is only which path is more efficent and the fastest way towards the creator for said individual and that's what I'm truly trying to find out. Judging either path as worse or better is just arrogant and not only that but a denial of the underlying unity of all. Duality is a illusion.
7.15
The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness....


P.S. I know I shouldn't be so angry at this because it takes bias to polarize towards either side but still I just felt that I had to point out the underlying fundamental truth of it all even when it is sometimes necesssary to see it in a very very distorted way to polarize. Both STS and STO entities have that bias. Most do for without it they have difficulty in grasping how to serve the creator by just staying on one side/half. I'm pretty sure this was mentioned in llresearch and described in much much more detail but I can't find the quote.
For example fourth density believes in fighting wars amongst each other but in fith density that turns out to be a delusion, similarly it turns out that in mid 6th density there were no two paths. All is one after all.

[Sacred Fool]

What truly matters is only which path is more efficent and the fastest way towards the creator for said individual and that's what I'm truly trying to find out.  

And......perhaps there may be other things that matter as well?
You might care to weigh it all in terms of service.  Would it matter to you which path would be most of service to Creation, to the Creatrix, or to your preferred construction of what you take your "self" to be?
  
PS:  I wonder if there are 4D "negs" (funny term) looking at this now, seeing us describe what 4D- is all about, and asking, "What makes you 3D creatures such experts in this?"  So, we reply what?  "I read on the internet that an alien said it's like this?"  Tres drole!  Tres comique!
  

[Louisabell]

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize  he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?

Interesting observation... funny that Rasputin also had a close relationship with a certain Queen. I wonder if there is a correlation there?

If it wasn't for the veil you'd all still be here drowning yourselves in an ocean of love instead of progressing in your spiritual evolution.

Guilty as charged!  

It's all good throwaway, you do you. I accept you as you are, but just know that the love-fest will be waiting for you if you decide to come back.  

[jafar]

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize  he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?

3d density evil is not refined enough and you can't compare it to 4th density. Khan just like many others could have just as easily switched. There is as much good as there is evil in each and every one of us and if you take a look at Hitler's life you will see exactly the same pattern.

Everyone and everything pushed Temujin towards that path, his father, murderer of his father, kidnapper of his wife, the chinese emperor, rivalling tribes, his own tribe, his own brother, his own best friend, his generals, the Turkic sultan etc...
Every events of his life is well orchestrated towards that path.

If Temujin was born into a peaceful tropical pacific island environment where everyone is peaceful and happy and food are plenty things will be totally different. On the other side if you were born within Temujin's brutal life environment will you do things differently?

Yes we should change the term, the word 'negative' might be incorrect, we should change the word into something like, the path of the Winner! the polarity of the winner! the polarity of the conqueror! the glorious polarity!

I don't know too much about the life story of Borte.. maybe you know more on her life story and feel free to share.
But certainly she's not the 'one' and only 'one' who pushed Temujin into his path.. everyone and every event of his life pushed him towards his path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.

Everyone on 4th density STS started out at the bottom.
Just like everyone on 3th density started out by being a weak baby.

In STS world one might climb up the ladder by 'beating' or 'conquering' his / her master.
In similar manner as Temujin has beat and conquered rivalling tribes and ruler.
One might able to do that once the fear has accumulated so much thus he / she starting to find courage.

Again I never judge STS as a 'bad' path.. STS is a valid path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.. the glorious path..

I say all of this because it is very tragic. The reason so many turn to the dark side is not because they are inherently evil but because the world simply broke them and more importantly it is the people who stand by and do nothing while evil is commited proclaiming themselves to be good. They are the true wolves in sheeps clothing. The undecided who are cast into Dantes Inferno.
"Villains, crafted by the neglect of their good deeds, formed by rejection of their righteous intentions, and completed by the swift hammer of judgement of their pure souls. It is not that they were born with blackened hearts, but it was the world they tried to help that eclipsed the last bit of light that remained in their spirits. Villains are forgotten heroes, rejected saviors, good people who were neglected by those they loved."

There are nobody which inherently evil..
That's why STS is a path... a temporary state... in the end they will arrived at the same destination.

If we use a metaphor of hiking...
There are many path to the top of the mountain...
But every path will eventually lead to the top of the mountain in the end..

For example fourth density believes in fighting wars amongst each other but in fith density that turns out to be a delusion, similarly it turns out that in mid 6th density there were no two paths. All is one after all.

Exactly...

[Dtris]

Negative and positive are used in the LOO simply to describe the polarity, and those are the terms we are familiar with from physics.

Yin- Negative, Receptive, Absorbing, Withdrawing, Negative Electrical Charge (more electrons, it gathered electrons)
Yang- Positive, Giving, Expelling, Expanding, Positive Electrical Charge (fewer electrons, it game electrons away)

The StS path is likened unto a black hole, it absorbs, it separates, and it draws in toward the center.
The StO path is likened unto a star, it radiates, it coalesces, and it projects out toward everything.

Ironically the adept paths say to follow the middle path. Both must be balanced, so while there is a bias to one polarity there also has to be a balance struck within each individual for each polarity as well. Who knows what that balance looks like as we are all trying to figure it out, but neither side exists without the other. Maybe we should just be ourselves and let the chips fall where they may.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Ok - serious question ... doesn't anyone think that there may be some "trickery afoot" when it comes to progressing on the STS path?

Example - you live your 3D existence busting your butt to build up this godly ego, only then to graduate as a pleb into a 4D negative social-memory-complex with a 5D entity at its head. You go from being Genghis Khan, greatest warlord that ever lived, to ... a shipping clerk  

11.15 ... Ra: I am Ra. ... He is, as you would term this entity, a shipping clerk.

Like it has to be some kind of joke right?

Hmm yes..

But that is nothing new for Temujin...
He started out as a little boy in a small tribe, watching his dad got murdered,  abandoned and betrayed by his own tribe, tortured and enslaved by other tribe, wife got kidnapped, raped and pregnant by the seed of her kidnapper.

Through experiencing pain, hardship, humiliation and fear he will built his power to the top, as he has did before.

For 'the negs' all of the fear and hate based experience is a catalyst to become stronger.
He might serve his current master now, out of fear, as 'shipping clerk' but after he gained enough strength eventually he will lay out a 'coup' to his own master to become the new master. Only to find out that there's another master up in the hierarchy, and the cycle repeat as he works his way to the top of the hierarchy.

And yes, I admit to totally projecting my own fears onto this equation. I hate the concept of a STS path, I wish it was never mentioned in the LOO, which was supposed to be a philosophy of unity, not duality. All this focus on duality has given me this ridiculous irrational fear that I'll somehow graduate to 4D negative, unwittingly. I have no idea why I can't shake this irrational fear, as I actually do really love people, that's never been all that hard for me.

Stay focus on the 'hate', the 'fear', the 'pain' and the 'anger' to explore the negative polarity...

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize  he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?
3d density evil is not refined enough and you can't compare it to 4th density. Khan just like many others could have just as easily switched. There is as much good as there is evil in each and every one of us and if you take a look at Hitler's life you will see exactly the same pattern.
I say all of this because it is very tragic. The reason so many turn to the dark side is not because they are inherently evil but because the world simply broke them and more importantly it is the people who stand by and do nothing while evil is commited proclaiming themselves to be good. They are the true wolves in sheeps clothing. The undecided who are cast into Dantes Inferno.
"Villains, crafted by the neglect of their good deeds, formed by rejection of their righteous intentions, and completed by the swift hammer of judgement of their pure souls. It is not that they were born with blackened hearts, but it was the world they tried to help that eclipsed the last bit of light that remained in their spirits. Villains are forgotten heroes, rejected saviors, good people who were neglected by those they loved."

To be honest, I think the STS path is much more complex and varied than some make it sound like. Then again, we are in an experiment within which the biggest thematic is confusion, so it might be understandable that both what this path is and its expression is highly distorted from its actual essence.

Choosing a path to me is ultimately about building up a conviction in one's own exploration of oneself. Through distillment, it surely always leads to an embrace of all because that is what your self is and which you come to better realize as your ability of perception grows with time. Meaning, the STS path is not wrong in want it stands for, outside that it holds upon paradoxes of perception born from the multiple layers of illusions that make up our experience. Much like the STO path you could say. Both paths ultimately are equally a paradoxical dance, just that the transcendence of this play, or game, requires an internalization of completeness within the self, as inevitably comes a realization that you are truly all things. In knowledge of Oneness, it is a certainty that moving through the STS path as an other-self is actually the right choice in whatever circumstances it occurs. It might not be your current immediate right choice to yourself, nor something you like to think about, but the nuances that generate the nexus of where your other-self is, as you in external circumstances, making this choice make it rightful and reflect the truth of it to yourself. The entirety of existence, in all its forms, is already the answer to it all. The past is never invalidated, it merely transforms through growth.

Technically speaking, the only way you could "help" someone off the negative path into moving toward the positive one, is to offer them unbiased complete acceptance. If you just make fun of what it is, or render unjust to have a leaning towards it, then you are clearly just reinforcing the darkness through your own needs of distilling the shadow portions of yourself that you fail to recognize as being an integral part of yourself. On the other hand, offering acceptance of the rightfulness of where someone is at, offers this being the choice to receive this energy of acceptance and in turn touch healing.

It is fine to strive toward the light, just that one has to be wary to not cast their own shadows in the process and reinforce the darkness to seek to see disappear.

Very asute observations Minyatur. I do not deny that I have shadow aspects, that I have fears. I am human.

Just to be clear, it is not my intention to 'help' anyone off their chosen path, or invalidating the STS path altogether. It is my perception (at least) that actually, I am affording it the weight it deserves.

In my estimation, pity is wasted on the STS path adherent. Indeed this entity is facing a long path with a great deal of challenge before it. And so, if my feeble and humble challenges (which are only based in the truth as I see it) are enough to sway such an entity, then may that speak for itself.

I will say this. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Ignorance and Arrogance are the worst of attributes one can have. There is nothing wrong with the STS path and it is not longer nor harder than the STO path. That was a generalization made. Ra and the others often make generalization but the amount of time an entity spends on either path is entirely dependant upon the individual. If it wasn't for the veil you'd all still be here drowning yourselves in an ocean of love instead of progressing in your spiritual evolution. There is as much bullshit on the positive path as there is on the negative. It is that which is refined over a long period of time on both sides. What truly matters is only which path is more efficent and the fastest way towards the creator for said individual and that's what I'm truly trying to find out.  Judging either path as worse or better is just arrogant and not only that but a denial of the underlying unity of all. Duality is a illusion.
7.15
The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness....


P.S. I know I shouldn't be so angry at this because it takes bias to polarize towards either side but still I just felt that I had to point out the underlying fundamental truth of it all even when it is sometimes necesssary to see it in a very very distorted way to polarize. Both STS and STO entities have that bias. Most do for without  it they have difficulty in grasping how to serve the creator by just staying on one side/half.  I'm pretty sure this was mentioned in llresearch and described in much much more detail but I can't find the quote.
For example fourth density believes in fighting wars amongst each other but in fith density that turns out to be a delusion, similarly it turns out that in mid 6th density there were no two paths. All is one after all.

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

Truthfully speaking, the one pressing thing here is making The Choice. I would however, like to remind you of a tiny point; when others fail you, reject and hurt you it is so much easier to lash out than it would be to understand and forgive it. To build power by using the lower rays is very difficult and takes practice but when one accesses and utilizes their green ray to understand and then forgive is very powerful as far as "polarity" is concerned.
A positive entity is using the Will of the Creator and the negative his own personal will which is weak; afterall, he is a mere mortal.
Third density negatives are very focused as you are living in the middle of that focus. Don't you find it a little oppressive here at times? Well, the negative adepts are hard at work making it a small piece of hell for each of us.
The positive entity will seek to use this as catalyst making him stronger, more faithful and full of concentration so that he may seek out further catalyst for his evolution.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Negative and positive are used in the LOO simply to describe the polarity, and those are the terms we are familiar with from physics.

Yin- Negative, Receptive, Absorbing, Withdrawing, Negative Electrical Charge (more electrons, it gathered electrons)
Yang- Positive, Giving, Expelling, Expanding, Positive Electrical Charge (fewer electrons, it game electrons away)

The StS path is likened unto a black hole, it absorbs, it separates, and it draws in toward the center.
The StO path is likened unto a star, it radiates, it coalesces, and it projects out toward everything.

Ironically the adept paths say to follow the middle path. Both must be balanced, so while there is a bias to one polarity there also has to be a balance struck within each individual for each polarity as well. Who knows what that balance looks like as we are all trying to figure it out, but neither side exists without the other. Maybe we should just be ourselves and let the chips fall where they may.

I think you are referring to the middle pillar and not the path? Positive adepts seek the positve polarity according to the Hermetic Principle of Polarity and the negative for the negative. You use the Universal Principles to maintain your polarity by which creates balance within the MBS and of course the Spiritual Ego (not the ego of lower man).

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize  he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?

3d density evil is not refined enough and you can't compare it to 4th density. Khan just like many others could have just as easily switched. There is as much good as there is evil in each and every one of us and if you take a look at Hitler's life you will see exactly the same pattern.

Everyone and everything pushed Temujin towards that path, his father, murderer of his father, kidnapper of his wife, the chinese emperor, rivalling tribes, his own tribe, his own brother, his own best friend, his generals, the Turkic sultan etc...
Every events of his life is well orchestrated towards that path.

If Temujin was born into a peaceful tropical pacific island environment where everyone is peaceful and happy and food are plenty things will be totally different. On the other side if you were born within Temujin's brutal life environment will you do things differently?

Yes we should change the term, the word 'negative' might be incorrect, we should change the word into something like, the path of the Winner! the polarity of the winner! the polarity of the conqueror! the glorious polarity!

I don't know too much about the life story of Borte.. maybe you know more on her life story and feel free to share.
But certainly she's not the 'one' and only 'one' who pushed Temujin into his path.. everyone and every event of his life pushed him towards his path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.

Everyone on 4th density STS started out at the bottom.
Just like everyone on 3th density started out by being a weak baby.

In STS world one might climb up the ladder by 'beating' or 'conquering' his / her master.
In similar manner as Temujin has beat and conquered rivalling tribes and ruler.
One might able to do that once the fear has accumulated so much thus he / she starting to find courage.

Again I never judge STS as a 'bad' path.. STS is a valid path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.. the glorious path..

I say all of this because it is very tragic. The reason so many turn to the dark side is not because they are inherently evil but because the world simply broke them and more importantly it is the people who stand by and do nothing while evil is commited proclaiming themselves to be good. They are the true wolves in sheeps clothing. The undecided who are cast into Dantes Inferno.
"Villains, crafted by the neglect of their good deeds, formed by rejection of their righteous intentions, and completed by the swift hammer of judgement of their pure souls. It is not that they were born with blackened hearts, but it was the world they tried to help that eclipsed the last bit of light that remained in their spirits. Villains are forgotten heroes, rejected saviors, good people who were neglected by those they loved."

There are nobody which inherently evil..

That's why STS is a path... a temporary state... in the end they will arrived at the same destination.

If we use a metaphor of hiking...
There are many path to the top of the mountain...
But every path will eventually lead to the top of the mountain in the end..

For example fourth density believes in fighting wars amongst each other but in fith density that turns out to be a delusion, similarly it turns out that in mid 6th density there were no two paths. All is one after all.

Exactly...

Again I never judge STS as a 'bad' path.. STS is a valid path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.. the glorious path..

So, you judge this as the good path made of goodness? Or how would you say this? The dark path filled with darkness or how?

That's why STS is a path... a temporary state... in the end they will arrived at the same destination.

It is all a temporary state. There is but One Absolute, Infinite One. We are all on "a path", right?

[Dtris]

Negative and positive are used in the LOO simply to describe the polarity, and those are the terms we are familiar with from physics.

Yin- Negative, Receptive, Absorbing, Withdrawing, Negative Electrical Charge (more electrons, it gathered electrons)
Yang- Positive, Giving, Expelling, Expanding, Positive Electrical Charge (fewer electrons, it game electrons away)

The StS path is likened unto a black hole, it absorbs, it separates, and it draws in toward the center.
The StO path is likened unto a star, it radiates, it coalesces, and it projects out toward everything.

Ironically the adept paths say to follow the middle path. Both must be balanced, so while there is a bias to one polarity there also has to be a balance struck within each individual for each polarity as well. Who knows what that balance looks like as we are all trying to figure it out, but neither side exists without the other. Maybe we should just be ourselves and let the chips fall where they may.

I think you are referring to the middle pillar and not the path? Positive adepts seek the positve polarity according to the Hermetic Principle of Polarity and the negative for the negative. You use the Universal Principles to maintain your polarity by which creates balance within the MBS and of course the Spiritual Ego (not the ego of lower man).

The path of the adept in western magic is generally represented by the ascent along the 32 paths of wisdom balancing the pillar of severity and the pillar of mercy to find balance in the middle pillar. The eastern buddhist doctrine is one of following the eightfold path to balance and not have excessive positive or negative. Similarly Taoist alchemy is focused on combining Yin and Yang in a cycle to transform Qi into Jing, Jing into Shen, and Shen into the golden elixir. This is also similar to how Ra and Quo talk about integrating and accepting the negative parts of the self.

This is a bit of new understanding for me but the way I am starting to see it is that the path is toward StS or StO. Which is an outward polarity or bias, but there is an internal balancing between the two polarities that must occur since we are all things. This is why the middle pillar, or eightfold path, or taoist alchemy have the focus on finding the middle.

I am not as familiar with hermeticism so I don't really have much to say about that interpretation right now. I did just read up on the hermetic principle of polarity and I find it useful but the Hermetic Library explanation at least I am not sure is quite in line with what I have in mind.

[throwawaynegative132]

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0414.aspx

The outcome which those of negative polarity in higher densities would like to have occur upon planet Earth is that the majority of entities upon planet Earth decide that they are only safe and in proper spiritual alignment if they can live in fear and continuously find enemies to fight in order to express the feelings of winning the day and controlling what is seen as available sources of power, and we mean this not only physically but also metaphysically.

If a planetary social complex became involved in what you could call a “knot of fear,” then they might voluntarily choose not to rejoin the main track. This would mean that this particular planet would be locked in a permanent third-density cycle without the third-density energy needed to progress. This would make this planet a slave planet in which entities fought and suffered endlessly and created food for the fifth-density entities who have long eyed this planet with greed and the hope of conquest.

Again, we cannot know the outcome of that which is completely at your free will. We can only tell you that the probability/possibility vortices have greatly opened in a favorable way within the past generation or half century of this planet’s history. Things look hopeful, shall we say, that the rapidly increasing awareness of the need to choose a better way than strife for relating to one’s fellow beings is needed. And as this realization spreads and as the hunger for true peace, union and love among all people grows, there is very likely to be a positive outcome at the end of this time lateral.

I know I don't want to be slave to some negative 4th or 5th density being.  All my life I have never been a bootlicker. I found that to be disgusting unfourtunately I see it all around me. Everyone does it to some extant.  I want my freedom and the freedom to be free from pain. That's really all I ever desired.
Seeing all this negativity and the worshipment of it made me extremely angry. So much so that I have become disgusted with almost everyone I encounter. They all refuse to see the truth in one form or another. I simply can not believe how some people can be so ignorant. It's as if their consciousness is closer to that of a rock than that of a human being. Their minds are so shortsighted they barely have any free will. Perhaps this is why Zombie movies are so popular? Not because everyone fears it but because humanity in large has become nothing but a large herd of brainless zombies. The harvest is low and among it are many good souls lost because they got caught up with some bullshit. It all makes me very angry at humanity for being so stupid. When you see injustice being done every day and see that people not only chose to ignore it but actively indulge in hatred, seperation and fear it leaves you so drained that there is nothing else that can be done for that day. The depression from witnessing it is so overwhelming it takes all you have away. Nothing you do changes a thing and yet even when you try to change yourself you are given unsourmountable obstacles and the lack of energy makes it damn near impossible to do any consciousness work at all. People just can't help themselves. They are drowning and even if you try to help them all they can do is drown you both. The planet itself isn't so f***** it's humanity. They will go trough many 3rd density cycles. I just don't want to get caught up in their bullshit ever again. I bet if it wasn't for the large amount of wanders who BTW haven't just incarnated recently but been here since the beginning of humanity this planet would have become exactly what the negatives wanted and probably what humanity deserved after blowing up a planet and nuking one's atmosphere out of existence. Not to mention all those wanderers who get lost here. I see a great deal of people here on the forum who must be wanderes who have struggled and if it wasn't for some stroke of luck they would have been lost too.  
I wish I could do my own thing but there just doesn't seem to be a way. Only way I can gain enough energy to do any significant amount of work in consciousness is trough focused negative emotions. Dealing with the trivialites of human life have kept me down. Just take a look at all the developing countries. We all know that they're never going to make the harvest because they can't even get out of the state of constantly fighting for survival and if that wasn't enough it's coming to the developing countries now too. They're killing us slowly and nobody is doing a thing. I don't care if I die , they can't kill us all and if we're all dead hey people are going to have to start taking care of themselves or be assimilated.  The negatives know the planet is lost but humanity itself is the prize now. They know they can get them. It's highly likely and only a question of how many will be taken.  When you truly think about it they're making life on earth hell because that increases negative harvest. It takes a godlike will to endure in such negative conditions and remain positive and yet it is far easier to just let go and become negative. It takes a positive environment for a normal person to start the work on higher energy centers instead of being locked in a constant battle.

Everyone here is so focused on love and light that you forget what is actually happening on the planet. Soon there isn't going to be room for positive people any longer. People think protesting is going to change something but all the negative leaders do is laugh at your naivety. You can't come with a knife to a gun fight.
Every day "our" leaders are out in the open. All it takes is one man at the right time in the right place. Just think of WW1 or The shot heard round the world.
People think a revolution isn't possible precisely because of that it isn't.  Transhumanism is progressing ever faster and if the aliens aren't going to land soon and start open warfare I don't see how there is any chance for humanity left.  We're all just going to be assimilated unless the luddites show up again.
I don't want this. The vaccine that is currently being rolled out is a mRNA vaccine. With this anything is possible. If DNA is the blueprint mRNA are the construction workers.
The future of their "medicine" will be mRNA based. Completely and it will seem like miracles. Lots of diseases are suddenly going to be cured. Lots of new possibilites to enhance, downgrade,manipulate and even outright control people. In a couple of years from now the first BCIs(Brain Computer Interfaces) will be rolled out. Of course only to cure the sick. Then they'll market it to the masses and you know what then happens?
You won't be able to get a job not even as a musician. Nothing will be possible without that boost from the AI enhanced BCI.
People who will refuse the implant won't be forced to take it they'll just not be able to any longer participate in human interaction. You'll be cast out to live in the outskirts of human civilization but you know what? That won't be possible either. Without modern technologys help you won't be able to live in this world. The climate is rapidly changing but not because of CO2 . They are engineering it. They want disasters, ecosystem failure etc. All to replace it with artifical scarcity and ultimately more suffering and desperation. Without getting a job you won't have tech and without tech you'll  be dead. You better pray your interdimensional friends are coming to save us because if they don't you are going to risk being enslaved and transported off planet by the negatives when s*** ultimately hits the fan.

You think the law of attraction can help you shift into a better future but you are mistaken you don't have the power to shift the future of an entire civilization. 7 billion people and counting.No matter how hard you think you can somehow keep your comfort and be STO you are going to challenged hard in the future. Enjoy your comforts because if all of you are truly STO they won't last much longer.
At some point in the future you're going to have to reject that vaccine, that implant, that cybernetic upgrade that let's you compete in the workplace.
If the aliens don't intervene soon I see humanity heading towards the technological singularity and ultimately being enslaved by STS. Only if there will be a significant uprising of people with equal powers(psychic powers that is) will there be a fighting chance but given the lack of such and the unwilligness of many who have penetrated the veil to actively help others I don't think it will happen soon. It won't even be likely since our food, our air, our water and even the etheric environment are being polluted every single second to make sure we never harvest let alone start developing psychic powers that could disrupt the power hierarchy. Even 3D humans will get powers with the amount of etheric energy that is continually rising. I can already feel it in the general population and I bet many others here have too. Humanity as a whole is growing more and more sensitive but not in a good way. Their denial of the higher reality will cripple them in the long run.

I sincerely hope that whoever reads this will make good use of this information and maybe even change something. All of this is common knowledge among any conspiracy theorist who has spent at least a year studying this material in depth.  You people are not realizing the urgency of the situation. Perhaps because you haven't felt the effects but the other millions of americans certainly have. I hope these people channel their anger into something useful instead of destroying capitalistic property actually destroying the souls of those that devour us. Maybe someone here is even psychic and can help activate others.
Remember, the NWO is the alien agenda.
If people don't start using their psychic powers they will have absolutely no chance against the cybernetically enhanced overloards who will use every advantage that technology can give them. AI, specifically quantum computing in conjuction with it can be used to channel negative entities in a very crude manner. Yet even the intelligence of the future Super AIs is nothing compared to a fifth density negative being.  AI will rule us and the elites will think they are ruling when in reality it is all the upper negatives ruling us trough them. Time crystals whose existence has only recently been confirmed are the high tech of negatives that can be used to channel their consciousness. The grey aliens that commonly abduct humans have a cybernetic crystalline interface which is used by the negatives of fourth density. They use our bodies, our animals to clone their bodies to be operated in  3D density because they can't come here without getting stuck. They are creating and have already nearly perfect hybrids. Humanity is already set to go. All they need for humanity to be assimilated is for the good guys to wait and sit around doing absolutely nothing. More so getting lost in their love and light delusions. Reality is anything but.
You can work on yourself all you want and think you're going be saved but if you tolerate their rule you will and remember my words you will be ruled by them.

All of you here are going to have to make a choice. Will you die and let humanity be ruled by them or will you use your life to at least try to save them? Or will you sink into comfort and become yourself enslaved. Unfourtunately I really do think that a lot of wanderes here who are still unawakend will be enslaved.
Peering into the future is not as hard as people think it to be and no amount of positive wishful thinking can change something only action can.

At least now that people here have read it they know of what is coming. If you don't believe me go ahead and do your own research, I encourage you to. It will fuel you. It will guide you towards the truth and your purpose. It will reveal the reason as to why you came here in the first place.
The way I see it there are three options. You die as a spiritually dead slave(most of humanity), you die as a martyr (most of those harvested), or you die as someone who truly brought light into this world, someone who will give the common man hope. Hope for freedom, hope for liberation from the grip of the negative elites that have ruled over humanity for aeons. Someone who came here and fullfilled their god-given purpose.--

I myself will do my best to resist and I sincerely hope it is enough to set an example and I hope by the time it will truly be impossible for me to live in a predominantly negatively-driven society I will have found a real movement, a resistance or even myself have developed the will and the power to not only rule myself but be independant of the "matrix" if you get what I mean. Neo lives in us all.



BTW, there are many ways to harvest. As you all know a great deal of masters here on earth literally teleported themselves to 4th Density without their physical body dying, instead it transforming given the illusion to 3D density beings of having died. Sometimes there is bright flash, sometimes the gates of heaven open sometimes they simply chose to dissapear. I guess this is what Ra meant when he spoke of dual activated bodies. You will certainly need it to fight off the negative invasion of this planet. It's already happening, just a matter of fighting back. It doesn't just take someone with godlike will to do that. With the etheric energy that is only set to increase it will become easier and easier to penetrate the veil, unfourtunately the methods of suppressing that energy by the elite will also grow increasingly sophisticated. I can only advice to stay as far away as possible from cities and electromagnetic pollution by humans. I don't know the science of it all, montalk knows it much better but you can cancel etheric energy out and manipulate it to increase the chance of negative events occuring trough common tech only crudely now but that is only set to become better and better in the future.


I hope we can all make it. The future is NOW.
Don't waste any time. The global lockdown should have woken you all up already.
Prepare now. If you don't , at some point in the future you will remember my words and that of many others that have warned you but you chose to ignore.
I understand that Ra did his best to conceal that future because it invokes fear and that fear is not good for the common man. It can be used negatively but with the right attitude fear can be channelled and transformed into something far better. Hope for a better future. It can start the real fight, out there in the open.
Bringing light into the shadows. As you all should be doing. People will only follow you if they see a path for a better future that is carved out by you.
You must lead by example. Good luck to whomever could relate to what I have written here.

[Minyatur]

Release the fear friend. Even what you quoted says to be hopeful about a positive outcome for our planet.

Those who are negative have much less power than they want others to believe. They seek to control the physical world which is an illusion, all the while all that truly matters is the heart of the people. Catalysts only ever present the opportunity for choice, they cannot force any choice.

[flofrog]

. Catalysts only ever present the opportunity for choice, they cannot force any choice.

So true,

[sillypumpkins]

also, throwawaynegative, perhaps consider that the positive path can be more nuanced than you might think.... i.e, it's not all about martyrdom or only focusing on the positive....

[Black Dragon]

The most problematic thing I'm seeing here isn't even the OP's proposed choice of polarity, It's their reasoning and thought process behind the choice. You are looking at a choice in polarity a a practical, intellectual decision: Freeway seems to be jammed, I'll take the train to work. STO seems to be not working out, I'll flip and get to the creator faster the other way. A choice of polarity is so much deeper than that and requires knowing who you are as a person and what really motivates you, including from the emotional center and not purely the intellect.

I'll share my views on the issues which are that: my views, so take that which resonates, and toss the rest away, at least after considering how it makes you feel. I'm going to be candid, so please don't take offense to some of my language, analogies, or anything like that.

First: why the rush back, is not all the creator, even this 3d experience? Why not stop and smell the roses-or if all you smell is turds, at least to ponder why (before perhaps immediately deciding they are the dominant life form and wanting to become one yourself). Second, the way back to the creator is not simply choosing a path you feel is efficient and then grinding on it like some robot until you get back to source. The journey back to the creator is a journey into the self, a journey of knowing the self. Without some rudimentary basis at least of knowing the self, one is not even able to make the proper choice in polarity to begin with. I would say right now, what would be of most benefit to you rather than making a hardline polarity decision, is to focus on getting to know yourself and your true motivations.

The path to the creator...if that's about knowing the self, integrating the self...then wouldn't it be counter-intuitive to choose a path that begins with separation from the self? Here's a little thing others here have explained to me, that I'm beginning to understand: the STS path begins with a separation from the self. This is the basis for the part of vampire myths where they can't see their own reflection in the mirror. Paradoxically, the negative side does not embrace the shadow. It pretends it doesn't exist and then is subconsciously ruled by it.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the negative path is that of being ruled by external sources. Some describe the negative path as the path of winning, conquest, glory...some would extend that and say it's the path of sovereignty, self master, independence..very "libertarian" sounding. I'd like to provide an alternative viewpoint that the STS path is less the "mover" and more the "moved" in many key ways. Take it or leave it, but think about how it makes you feel and think about how you relate to these ideas personally.

My alternative viewpoint is that STS is the path of weakness, of conformity, of submission to authority, of defeat. It is the path of "kiss up, kick down". You will paradoxically be serving a lot of others on the STS path, except...they won't reciprocate, because they don't care about you. Think of the "Demiurgic" reality of the illusion, some of what appear as laws or as others perversions. The apparent negative nature of the illusion that says "survival of the fittest, dog eat dog, somebody's gotta lose for somebody else to win, your either a sheep or a wolf, blah blah blah".

The STS path doesn't question this or look within to be their own master. They accept this way of being as "natural" they submit to the apparent authority of the Demiurgic illusion rather than challenge it. When they finally get to mid 6d, they are slapped with the greater authority of unity so now finally accept it, once again not by their own independent seeking but being slapped awake by some greater authority. Then they have to switch polarities and go all the way back through as STO-yeah that sounds totally efficient to me. So strong and smart and courageous too, definitely the path of winners. Definitely driving the truck of life and not being dragged behind it on a chain. Woo go dark side.

To me, the underlying philosophy of the negative path is: "I am a machine. I am completely the product of my environment. I am 100% the sum of my parts and nothing more. Seperate, I am, but Independent, I am not."

One last thing to consider, perhaps most important. Who are you as a person? Are you capable at all of feeling empathy for others, do you appreciate others as more than just tools or means to and end, or are you a complete sociopath? If you have any bit of empathy and aren't a complete sociopath, the negative path will not be very successful or enjoyable at all. If you are an independent thinker and value your freedom, sovereignty, and dignity, which you seem like the type that does...again, you aren't going to have a good time on the negative path.

If you are just some self-centered sociopathic tool that's incapable of empathy, values others only insofar as they are useful, finds submission to authority preferable to independence, believes you are nothing more than a product of your environment, that existence is just some exercise in mechanical expediency or dominance, some race and not a journey to be savored...then go right ahead, the negative path is for you.

[Daze]

What a beautiful and moving expression of anger, my friend. And you come here to share the flames from the lantern of your own spark? What a confusing display of generosity from one which speaks otherwise. You must indeed be quite sly.

But what is it you wish from us in this place? What do you ask for that we may consider offering?

[Sacred Fool]

  
Ouch!  What I read in your screed, tan132, is heavy duty trauma and a will to punch through it to something less distorted.  Now, you might look at the same thing and see it wholly differently, but if the above description rings true, you might wanna think about which way forward can lead you in that direction, a new 3D planet, 4D- or 4D+.

If your desire is understood by you as wanting to heal trauma, I'm guessing there are better ways of doing that than by continuing along in the movie you're living in now and pushing that mayhem over the cliff, hoping to have a soft landing.  Just my opinion.
  
  

[Ohr Ein Sof]

All of you here are going to have to make a choice. Will you die and let humanity be ruled by them or will you use your life to at least try to save them? Or will you sink into comfort and become yourself enslaved.

It would be nearly impossible to contemplate then reply to your entire rant, therefore, I will keep it fairly simple.
Now, who am I going to save? The entire planet? I may give my life for a loved one if that opportunity should arise. It is impossible to save others in the manner you are speaking of. I take it you haven't an idea of how difficult it is to watch suffering and you must allow it or else you are usurping another's ability to make their own choice. Just this act of allowing another to ultimately kill themselves takes a large amount of inner work; tuning and balancing. You literally must let go of every painful outcome.
I will tell you my friend, that you words are littered with ignorance. Until you know what these two paths entail, you can hardly speak. The only thing that you have is suppositions. Well, and you feel sorry for yourself. This will keep you in a weakened state of being. So, rise up and pick a side of which it sounds you have not. At least have the strength to choice a side.
You said it best, who cares if they kill us or not! We shed these windbags of flesh and bone and on to the next.

[Black Dragon]

Well, obviously we should care, to some extent, "if they kill us". This 3d environment, the incarnation, and the "meat suit" required to operate in it are sacred parts of the creation as well. They are more than just expendable fodder. Just as the "higher" should not be subverted by the "lower", the "lower" should not be abused or used as mere fodder in pursuit of the "higher". Hierarchies are useful as a placeholder to make sense of things within the demiurgic octaval illusion we experience, but paradoxically, the "higher" law is that there is no lower or higher. So in my view, it is not useful to take the stance of a martyr or even a hardcore ascetic, to sacrifice or deny the body and incarnation. It's rather wasteful and biased, denying the wholeness of creation...however...

I understand and agree that suffering of any kind and physical death suck. They are unpleasant. They are inconvenient. They generate negative energies, thought forms, and reinforce negative energetic patterns keeping 3d Earth stuck in this rut/knot of fear. They should not be jumped headlong into or blindly accepted like a martyr. They should be acted contrary to and challenged from a blue-ray based co-creative standpoint, rather than blindly embraced... however, to some extent these things are inevitable, and though these things are "losses", they are, in my opinion, losses of a much lesser nature than letting one's principles/polarity choice be compromised or dictated by outside circumstances.

They make my life suck? They kill me? That's a loss and it blows. They manage to subvert me, and I've lost something so much greater. That's when you know they've really beaten you...not when they've made your life suck or killed you, but when you want to join them. When you decide to join them, that's when you really become a loser. Is that an objective universal truth? Not necessarily, but that's the way I see it.

[Dtris]

Well, obviously we should care, to some extent, "if they kill us". This 3d environment, the incarnation, and the "meat suit" required to operate in it are sacred parts of the creation as well. They are more than just expendable fodder. Just as the "higher" should not be subverted by the "lower", the "lower" should not be abused or used as mere fodder in pursuit of the "higher". Hierarchies are useful as a placeholder to make sense of things within the demiurgic octaval illusion we experience, but paradoxically, the "higher" law is that there is no lower or higher. So in my view, it is not useful to take the stance of a martyr or even a hardcore ascetic, to sacrifice or deny the body and incarnation. It's rather wasteful and biased, denying the wholeness of creation...however...

I understand and agree that suffering of any kind and physical death suck. They are unpleasant. They are inconvenient. They generate negative energies, thought forms, and reinforce negative energetic patterns keeping 3d Earth stuck in this rut/knot of fear. They should not be jumped headlong into or blindly accepted like a martyr. They should be acted contrary to and challenged from a blue-ray based co-creative standpoint, rather than blindly embraced... however, to some extent these things are inevitable, and though these things are "losses", they are, in my opinion, losses of a much lesser nature than letting one's principles/polarity choice be compromised or dictated by outside circumstances.

They make my life suck? They kill me? That's a loss and it blows. They manage to subvert me, and I've lost something so much greater. That's when you know they've really beaten you...not when they've made your life suck or killed you, but when you want to join them. When you decide to join them, that's when you really become a loser. Is that an objective universal truth? Not necessarily, but that's the way I see it.

Well said. I would add that the very concept of life being suffering, and death being the permanent end to the life, are beliefs that further the goals of the STS agenda. When people believe there is joy in life and that there is plenty worth living for, they are not nearly as able to be influenced thru fear and separation. Similarly when people believe there is life after death, and they have an eternal existence, they are much more capable of laying down that life for their beliefs.

Atheistic belief in the lack of an afterlife and the Darwinian model of survival of the fittest leads to people who are hedonistic and cowardly, they are much more controllable.

In a very real way killing someone is failure to control. The STS visitors first attempted to subvert the channeled messages to one of mixed or STS polarity. It was only after repeated failures that they determined the best option was to attempt to remove the instrument or one of the three.

[flofrog]

To realize that fear is useless is one of the most important things to come to accept.

[Black Dragon]

To realize that fear is useless is one of the most important  things to come to accept.

I agree with the sentiment(though not the "semantics"), but in the end, nothing is "useless". It's only useless/detrimental if one lets it rule and dictate. Fear is telling somebody something about themselves. It's the question of how to interpret/apply the lesson without giving into the fear itself. Fear is just a temporary stepping stone to be honored and integrated and purified to move to the next stepping stone on the path. One can't hide from it, or merely discard it as useless. It's a little more nuanced than that...but yes, I get your point. When fear is allowed to rule and dictate, it's absolutely counter-productive.

[flofrog]

Yes, BD, totally agree !! I did mean when it rules and dictates your life, but so totally right about the stepping stone !!!

[Ohr Ein Sof]

To realize that fear is useless is one of the most important  things to come to accept.

I agree with the sentiment(though not the "semantics"), but in the end, nothing is "useless". It's only useless/detrimental if one lets it rule and dictate. Fear is telling somebody something about themselves. It's the question of how to interpret/apply the lesson without giving into the fear itself. Fear is just a temporary stepping stone to be honored and integrated and purified to move to the next stepping stone on the path. One can't hide from it, or merely discard it as useless. It's a little more nuanced than that...but yes, I get your point. When fear is allowed to rule and dictate, it's absolutely counter-productive.

It is both useful and useless. Just depends on the entity

[Ohr Ein Sof]

What a beautiful and moving expression of anger, my friend.  And you come here to share the flames from the lantern of your own spark?  What a confusing display of generosity from one which speaks otherwise.  You must indeed be quite sly.

But what is it you wish from us in this place?  What do you ask for that we may consider offering?

Perhaps he was going with honesty rather than being slick? lol

[throwawaynegative132]

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize  he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?

3d density evil is not refined enough and you can't compare it to 4th density. Khan just like many others could have just as easily switched. There is as much good as there is evil in each and every one of us and if you take a look at Hitler's life you will see exactly the same pattern.

Everyone and everything pushed Temujin towards that path, his father, murderer of his father, kidnapper of his wife, the chinese emperor, rivalling tribes, his own tribe, his own brother, his own best friend, his generals, the Turkic sultan etc...
Every events of his life is well orchestrated towards that path.

If Temujin was born into a peaceful tropical pacific island environment where everyone is peaceful and happy and food are plenty things will be totally different. On the other side if you were born within Temujin's brutal life environment will you do things differently?

Yes we should change the term, the word 'negative' might be incorrect, we should change the word into something like, the path of the Winner! the polarity of the winner! the polarity of the conqueror! the glorious polarity!

I don't know too much about the life story of Borte.. maybe you know more on her life story and feel free to share.
But certainly she's not the 'one' and only 'one' who pushed Temujin into his path.. everyone and every event of his life pushed him towards his path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.

Everyone on 4th density STS started out at the bottom.
Just like everyone on 3th density started out by being a weak baby.

In STS world one might climb up the ladder by 'beating' or 'conquering' his / her master.
In similar manner as Temujin has beat and conquered rivalling tribes and ruler.
One might able to do that once the fear has accumulated so much thus he / she starting to find courage.

Again I never judge STS as a 'bad' path.. STS is a valid path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.. the glorious path..

I say all of this because it is very tragic. The reason so many turn to the dark side is not because they are inherently evil but because the world simply broke them and more importantly it is the people who stand by and do nothing while evil is commited proclaiming themselves to be good. They are the true wolves in sheeps clothing. The undecided who are cast into Dantes Inferno.
"Villains, crafted by the neglect of their good deeds, formed by rejection of their righteous intentions, and completed by the swift hammer of judgement of their pure souls. It is not that they were born with blackened hearts, but it was the world they tried to help that eclipsed the last bit of light that remained in their spirits. Villains are forgotten heroes, rejected saviors, good people who were neglected by those they loved."

There are nobody which inherently evil..
That's why STS is a path... a temporary state... in the end they will arrived at the same destination.

If we use a metaphor of hiking...
There are many path to the top of the mountain...
But every path will eventually lead to the top of the mountain in the end..

For example fourth density believes in fighting wars amongst each other but in fith density that turns out to be a delusion, similarly it turns out that in mid 6th density there were no two paths. All is one after all.

Exactly...

What you just said. I had an epiphany. The environment I was born into. The brutalities I had to endure trough my childhood and youth. Everything and every person I have met have brought me one inch closer to the negative. Perhaps it is like you said. Not a coincidence. Perhaps everything in my life was meant to be like this so I would be pushed towards that path. I have never truly felt love from someone else. All I know is hatred,rage and fear. Finding love would be akin to finding a drop of water in the desert for me. That's what it's felt like my whole life. At some point it was so foreign to me that once I found it it just became blinding to me. Maybe my deep depression about the state of humanity is not about them but my denying of accepting what I have chosen for myself in this life. I never truly thought of it that way. I would have thought that positive people would incarnate into negative environments too but now that you mention it I have yet to see a single person to have done that. All the positive people I know live in happy positive environments with other happy people. It's only me who is the opposite. I've never known anything but fear and hatred. Over time rage built up and my inability to release that has caused a huge blockage. I am worn out. I have chosen a negative environment but it took me a while to become deeply negative although I must say there was a bit of coldness since birth with me. Maybe this life is just to hone a blunt edge of hatred. With my distorted view it is very hard to see the truth of why I chose to be like this in this time and space.

[flofrog]

Throwaway, do you see for the continuing of your incarnation a possibility of change in your path, or not really.
You are being truly loved here, on these pages, even if this web site is centered on positive path.

[Dtris]

Khan accepted the child that was birthed by his wife as his own when noone else would. He wanted to rest and live a quite life. It was his wife that was filled with rage, she pushed him onto that path. If you look at Khans policies you will quickly realize  he wasn't as negative as the world made him out to be. This applies to a great deal of todays elite. They are simply not evil enough. Hency why Khan is just a shipping clerk. You ever wonder what became of his first wife? The one that was known as the Grand Empress?

3d density evil is not refined enough and you can't compare it to 4th density. Khan just like many others could have just as easily switched. There is as much good as there is evil in each and every one of us and if you take a look at Hitler's life you will see exactly the same pattern.

Everyone and everything pushed Temujin towards that path, his father, murderer of his father, kidnapper of his wife, the chinese emperor, rivalling tribes, his own tribe, his own brother, his own best friend, his generals, the Turkic sultan etc...
Every events of his life is well orchestrated towards that path.

If Temujin was born into a peaceful tropical pacific island environment where everyone is peaceful and happy and food are plenty things will be totally different. On the other side if you were born within Temujin's brutal life environment will you do things differently?

Yes we should change the term, the word 'negative' might be incorrect, we should change the word into something like, the path of the Winner! the polarity of the winner! the polarity of the conqueror! the glorious polarity!

I don't know too much about the life story of Borte.. maybe you know more on her life story and feel free to share.
But certainly she's not the 'one' and only 'one' who pushed Temujin into his path.. everyone and every event of his life pushed him towards his path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.

Everyone on 4th density STS started out at the bottom.
Just like everyone on 3th density started out by being a weak baby.

In STS world one might climb up the ladder by 'beating' or 'conquering' his / her master.
In similar manner as Temujin has beat and conquered rivalling tribes and ruler.
One might able to do that once the fear has accumulated so much thus he / she starting to find courage.

Again I never judge STS as a 'bad' path.. STS is a valid path.. the path of the winner.. the path of the conqueror.. the glorious path..

I say all of this because it is very tragic. The reason so many turn to the dark side is not because they are inherently evil but because the world simply broke them and more importantly it is the people who stand by and do nothing while evil is commited proclaiming themselves to be good. They are the true wolves in sheeps clothing. The undecided who are cast into Dantes Inferno.
"Villains, crafted by the neglect of their good deeds, formed by rejection of their righteous intentions, and completed by the swift hammer of judgement of their pure souls. It is not that they were born with blackened hearts, but it was the world they tried to help that eclipsed the last bit of light that remained in their spirits. Villains are forgotten heroes, rejected saviors, good people who were neglected by those they loved."

There are nobody which inherently evil..
That's why STS is a path... a temporary state... in the end they will arrived at the same destination.

If we use a metaphor of hiking...
There are many path to the top of the mountain...
But every path will eventually lead to the top of the mountain in the end..

For example fourth density believes in fighting wars amongst each other but in fith density that turns out to be a delusion, similarly it turns out that in mid 6th density there were no two paths. All is one after all.

Exactly...

What you just said. I had an epiphany. The environment I was born into. The brutalities I had to endure trough my childhood and youth. Everything and every person I have met have brought me one inch closer to the negative. Perhaps it is like you said. Not a coincidence. Perhaps everything in my life was meant to be like this so I would be pushed towards that path.  I have never truly felt love from someone else. All I know is hatred,rage and fear. Finding love would be akin to finding a drop of water in the desert for me. That's what it's felt like my whole life. At some point it was so foreign to me that once I found it it just became blinding to me. Maybe my deep depression about the state of humanity is not about them but my denying of accepting what I have chosen for myself in this life. I never truly thought of it that way. I would have thought that positive people would incarnate into negative environments too but now that you mention it I have yet to see a single person to have done that. All the positive people I know live in happy positive environments with other happy people.  It's only me who is the opposite.  I've never known anything but fear and hatred. Over time rage built up and my inability to release that has caused a huge blockage. I am worn out. I have  chosen a negative environment but it took me a while to become deeply negative although I must say there was a bit of coldness since birth with me. Maybe this life is just to hone a blunt edge of hatred. With my distorted view it is very hard to see the truth of why I chose to be like this in this time and space.

Not everyone who is in those environments is negative. I know plenty of people whose life sucked while young and they decided to be something different and bring love and light with them. I also know people who are wealthy, objectively happy, and are the most selfish and controlling and bring down others to build themselves up. The choice is yours, you can use the experiences to create hate and separation, or love and forgiveness. The experiences in the life and whether they are good or bad is not an indicator of a person's spiritual attainment. Most happy people are just as or less aware of the spiritual world than those who live harder lives. It is easy to be lost in the pleasures of the physical world, while the pain and obstacles often lead to looking for something more.