Mahatma Gandhi STS?

[flow]

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1003.aspx

...We would bring to your attention the one known as Mahatma Gandhi. We have spoken before of this entity. This was an entity who was very clever in ways which are, for the most part, reserved for those of service to self in their philosophy. Yet, this entity’s vision was powerful in its unity and it refused to allow any thinking which closed the heart against any, even those which this entity perceived, with some justification, as suborning and limiting the rights of his own people...

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0116.aspx

...The other character whose name we would mention at this time is that of Mahatma Gandhi. This entity was an entity which came into incarnation to work upon that balance between love and wisdom as a sixth-density wanderer. ...

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0525.aspx

...These two great faiths, the Hindu and the Muslim, had through the actions and the service of the one known as Gandhi been able to appreciate this entity’s open heart to the degree that they were willing to set aside age-old differences in order that this entity whom they revered so greatly might stop his fast and continue to live among them. For it is well perceived, when there is an entity such as the one known as Gandhi who has opened his heart to that degree, that there is no boundary beyond which love cannot be given. This entity was successful in opening his own heart so that the will of love moved through him in a way which was easily recognized by those whose lives he touched...

this looks rather contradicting, and yet somehow it feels to me that Gandhi can indeed be STS. but how his heart be open then?

[Tae]

This was an entity who was very clever in ways which are, for the most part, reserved for those of service to self in their philosophy. Yet, this entity’s vision was powerful in its unity and it refused to allow any thinking which closed the heart against any, even those which this entity perceived, with some justification, as suborning and limiting the rights of his own people...

Ra is a little obfusticated as always. It's not saying that Ghandi is service to self. Let's see if I can translate this down a bit.

"Ghandi is known to use certain skills employed by those who are Service to Self oriented. However, Ghandi's vision is powerfully unified. Therefore that vision refuses to close the heart to anyone, even those he perceives rightfully so as limiting the rights of his people."

Since he is here working on the balance between love and wisdom, it makes sense that he would be a sixth density being and his heart would just be sort of stuck open if he's in tune with his mission, even when faced with those he disagrees with, since his mission is not to learn love–he KNOWS how to love and perhaps a little too easily for the mission he's on–he needs to learn how to balance love and wisdom, playing the two in harmony together to maximize the impact, love, and light he chases. For the will of love to move through him in such resonance he could learn sixth density lessons, his heart would have to be open and there is no doubt his resulting lessons and polarization would be STO.

As there are no negatively polarized 6D beings, I imagine it would almost be effortless to have the heart open if one is in resonance with their soul's mission.

Cheers!

[xise]

"This was an entity who was very clever in ways which are, for the most part, reserved for those of service to self in their philosophy."

If an STO is good at politics or navigating politics, I'd say the statement is consistent with such a description. There are instances of skillsets typically developed by STS, but are not necessarily related directly to STS/STO paradigm. There are probably other examples.

[flofrog]

Gandhi definitely wanted to unify people and there was that great force in him, not ‘forcing’ others to unify but... close.

[isis]

I read this on Gandhi not too long ago:

https://medium.com/@dalitdiva/why-it-is-...9c7399fe66

and now I really don't know how to feel about him.

[xise]

I read this on Gandhi not too long ago:

https://medium.com/@dalitdiva/why-it-is-...9c7399fe66

and now I really don't know how to feel about him.

Having grown up in the son of Indian immigrants, I can tell you that Indian culture circa 1970 (immigrants often get stuck in the culture of their home country when they left), in general, had some really horribly distorted repression/beliefs of all things involving sexuality. If the stuff about Gandhi about testing his celibacy with naked women is true, it doesn't surprise me as sexual stuff in India from that era seems really horribly distorted and I think even wanderers can get caught up in distortions when they incarnate.

[isis]

I read this on Gandhi not too long ago:

https://medium.com/@dalitdiva/why-it-is-...9c7399fe66

and now I really don't know how to feel about him.

Having grown up in the son of Indian immigrants, I can tell you that Indian culture circa 1970 (immigrants often get stuck in the culture of their home country when they left), in general, had some really horribly distorted repression/beliefs of all things involving sexuality. If the stuff about Gandhi about testing his celibacy with naked women is true, it doesn't surprise me as sexual stuff in India from that era seems really horribly distorted and I think even wanderers can get caught up in distortions when they incarnate.

Thanks, xise. You're awesome.

[unity100]

what xise said in his first post.

there doesnt seem to be anything in the quotes referenced by the OP to indicate that gandhi was of any sts polarization.

[Patrick]

 
Those that reached 6d via the STS path become extremely positive when they switch polarity.
 

[kristina]

I read this on Gandhi not too long ago:

https://medium.com/@dalitdiva/why-it-is-...9c7399fe66

and now I really don't know how to feel about him.

The Caste system is to the Hindu religion as the collection plate is to a Southern Baptist church. And we really do not know at what time he may have said something not so great before his awakening. I said some pretty racey things in my 30's that I could never say today. Simply because I have grown and I cannot help but to realize that in another 10 years I will be even more refined by the fire so to speak. It is hard to judge really. Especially after reading the article. It is so much easier looking into my own heart and even at times that is a little murky.
Thanks much for the article. I found it very interesting!
L&L
Kristina

[moyal]

Some more stuff about Gandhi:
-> http://mileswmathis.com/fakir.pdf

[vidyavenkira]

my feeling is to think ganhdi is of STS is very foolish thought. very misinformed.

something to consider could be dali lahmha

[GentleReckoning]

Well, his views were contrary to the organization of power at that time. This being service to self over the desires of the other self.

Understanding the play of children, and then the parent coming into the room to calm down their play would be a similar situation. The parent is negative to the desires and wishes of the children.

[Patrick]

Well, his views were contrary to the organization of power at that time. This being service to self over the desires of the other self.

Understanding the play of children, and then the parent coming into the room to calm down their play would be a similar situation. The parent is negative to the desires and wishes of the children.

Are the parent's actions at the expanse of the children and for the benefit only of the parent ?  That could be negatively polarizing.  Humm, maybe if the parent did it only so that the house is quieter.  Then I guess parenting is hugely negatively polarizing !
 

[Stranger]

my feeling is to think ganhdi is of STS is very foolish thought. very misinformed.

something to consider could be dali lahmha

I think passing judgement on someone else is, itself, not an STO action.

[xise]

Well, his views were contrary to the organization of power at that time. This being service to self over the desires of the other self.

Understanding the play of children, and then the parent coming into the room to calm down their play would be a similar situation. The parent is negative to the desires and wishes of the children.

42.20 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. Using the teach/learning relationship of parent to its child, what type of actions would demonstrate the activation of each energy center in sequence from red through violet?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The entity, child or adult, as you call it, is not an instrument to be played. The appropriate teach/learning device of parent to child is the open-hearted beingness of the parent and the total acceptance of the beingness of the child. This will encompass whatever material the child entity has brought into the life experience in this plane.

There are two things especially important in this relationship other than the basic acceptance of the child by the parent. Firstly, the experience of whatever means the parent uses to worship and give thanksgiving to the One Infinite Creator, should if possible be shared with the child entity upon a daily basis, as you would say. Secondly, the compassion of parent to child may well be tempered by the understanding that the child entity shall learn the biases of service to others or service to self from the parental other-self. This is the reason that some discipline is appropriate in the teach/learning. This does not apply to the activation of any one energy center for each entity is unique and each relationship with self and other-self doubly unique. The guidelines given are only general for this reason.

Is there a brief query before we leave this instrument?

Acceptance does not preclude action (this is a very common misconception). You can perform actions without attachment to the result or a desire to control.

Acceptance is a state of being/state of emotions in response to something that occurs, and acceptance is not inconsistent with a parent teaching some discipline with their child so that they will better learn the ways of service from the parent. 

[Moonfox]

This was really interesting for me. Thank you so much for posting this, and to everyone who replied.

[Ymarsakar]

By STS, iamraw is most likely referring to the hierarchy created by STS Empires and crusaders using religious faith.

At the top is a god guru figure leader. At the bottom are his fanatical loyalists, willing to die for him, willing slaves to STS.

Ghandi utilized the STS technique and organization. This density is mixed, so you can use any STS or STO technique you want or mix and match.

There is no need to feel positive or negative about Ghandi. The past is the past, it is meaningless.

Attempting to elevate wanderers or brothers or cousins or some God/Emperor you like or dislike, to some higher or lower position in the human hierarchy, is itself polarizing service to self, whether as Master or Slave.

[JJCarsonian]

"This entity was an entity which came into incarnation to work upon that balance between love and wisdom as a sixth-density wanderer."

This quote right here is the biggest evidence that suggests Ghandi is STO. It sounds like Ghandi had some distortions that justified to himself the manipulation of the people, but I'm sure we all do to an extent.

[AnthroHeart]

This article says that Ghandi was the ballsiest leader in history at #1.
Meaning the bravest most courageous.

https://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/13/th...n-history/

He lived nonviolence, so I don't know how he would be STS.

A true STS being would have programmed their life for wealth.
Not saying that all wealthy people are STS, but perhaps all STS are wealthy.
And Ghandi wasn't wealthy as far as I know.

[unity100]

This entity was an entity which came into incarnation to work upon that balance between love and wisdom as a sixth-density wanderer. ...

What's conflicting about a non-violent 6d wanderer. His density is bluntly stated and his work is clearly mentioned as balancing love and wisdom.

[dexter101]

ok thats it. im done with this.

[sillypumpkins]

ok thats it. im done with this.

you okay dexter?

[Black Dragon]

I highly doubt Gandhi was STS. I think what the quotes mean is that he used a little bit of trickery and maneuvering and strategy to achieve his goals. He outwitted his adversaries in order to uphold his STO ideals, which means he co-created from the blue ray rather than passively accepting what they had to offer and being pushed over. None of that is STS, and I'd argue MORE of that way of doing things is going to be necessary on the part of current and future STO wanderers if we ever want to get anything done.

While we are on the subject of Gandhi though, he is famous for doing one thing that I always found more than a bit annoying, and coming from his human ego rather than any spiritual principle; its that thing he did where he slept naked with naked women and didn't have sex with them, to prove some sort of point about his purity. This was an ego-driven publicity stunt that was nothing more than holier-than-thou showboating and bragging. Just like adepts who can make phenomena happen don't just go around showing off and bragging, people who have cultivated discipline and self-restraint don't need to go pull stunts like that to prove it.

One's purity of intention is within, not by some outward act or publicity stunt. An STS pervert could have just as easily had the discipline to sleep with two or more women naked and refrain from anything sexual, if doing so would give him some sort of credibility, image, or power he could use to deceive and manipulate people with-that would be a priority over his base sexual needs, which could easily be met at other times. The act proves nothing except a distortion of holier-than-though showboating.

[meadow-foreigner]

Make no mistake in blindly following any transcript whatsoever, for the moment it is laid down through an instrument, it is already distorted.

Don't lean in anything, empower yourself. Don't depend on other people's distorted words to learn. Exercise your own learning capabilities by yourself, so you can be self-reliant.

[moyal]

"Much has been written in recent years trying to tear down the mythological figure known as
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. These anti-hagiographies appear to be aimed mainly at
tarnishing his image, trying to show that Gandhi was not the great Mahatma he is made out to be.
Some of this work focuses rather salaciously on his sleeping naked with his great-nieces in his
later years or his alleged homosexual relationship with a German bodybuilder. Other work
focuses attention on the hypocrisy and contradictory things he did or said, pointing to his racist
attitudes towards South Africa’s black population; his active support of the British in the Boer
War and the violent suppression of the Zulu uprising; his support in recruiting Indian troops for
WWI; his belief in Aryan supremacy and letters to Hitler who he called his friend; his
involvement in the cover-up of the death of an American who was killed in riots in India that
Gandhi helped instigate.

But my aim here is not to hop on the muckraking bandwagon and drag
Gandhi’s name through the mud. Whereas these efforts appear to be aimed at showing that
Gandhi was rather less than we thought, my goal here is to discover if Gandhi was rather more
than we thought."

"Was the Fakir a Faker? - Notes on the Gandhi Psy Op"
-> http://mileswmathis.com/fakir.pdf

[Aion]

I highly doubt Gandhi was STS. I think what the quotes mean is that he used a little bit of trickery and maneuvering and strategy to achieve his goals. He outwitted his adversaries in order to uphold his STO ideals, which means he co-created from the blue ray rather than passively accepting what they had to offer and being pushed over. None of that is STS, and I'd argue MORE of that way of doing things is going to be necessary on the part of current and future STO wanderers if we ever want to get anything done.

While we are on the subject of Gandhi though, he is famous for doing one thing that I always found more than a bit annoying, and coming from his human ego rather than any spiritual principle; its that thing he did where he slept naked with naked women and didn't have sex with them, to prove some sort of point about his purity. This was an ego-driven publicity stunt that was nothing more than holier-than-thou showboating and bragging. Just like adepts who can make phenomena happen don't just go around showing off and bragging, people who have cultivated discipline and self-restraint don't need to go pull stunts like that to prove it.

One's purity of intention is within, not by some outward act or publicity stunt. An STS pervert could have just as easily had the discipline to sleep with two or more women naked and refrain from anything sexual, if doing so would give him some sort of credibility, image, or power he could use to deceive and manipulate people with-that would be a priority over his base sexual needs, which could easily be met at other times. The act proves nothing except a distortion of holier-than-though showboating.

This is an interesting thing to consider and is something that I have pondered as well.

If you were to look at the concept of 'STS' it is predicated on control, or rather the control of catalyst. STO is built on the concept of acceptance.

46.10 ▶ Questioner: Then as I understand it you are saying that if the positively polarizing entity fails to accept the other-self or if the negatively polarizing entity fails to control the other-self, either of these conditions will cause cancer, possibly. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The first acceptance, or control depending upon polarity, is of the self. Anger is one of many things to be accepted and loved as a part of self or controlled as a part of self, if the entity is to do work.

This raises an interesting question, could Ghandi actually have had a very high sexual drive which he sought to control? Perhaps his lack of acceptance of this impulse is what lead to control in other areas of his life and as you say, a need to demonstrate.

On the question of whether or not Ghandi is "STS" or "STO", within the context, it's hard to say. I don't think it's ever really as simple as anyone "being" this or that, rather there is constant movement. I think his intention was to be of service to others.

[moyal]

...that thing he did where he slept naked with naked women and didn't have sex with them...

...is either an occult "therapeutic" practice called Shunamitism ... or the sex-magickal attempt to suck up 'female vital energy'.
Take your pick.



-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunamitism

[Aion]

I've never heard that term before, the more ya know!

[moyal]

...the more ya know!

The hardcore version is to 'stick it in' and then use your sphincter in the reverse way as you would do when taking a crap. But don't ejaculate.
The softcore version is taking a bath in the same water, that was used by a virgin before you. But don't submerge your head.
It's all sex-magick 101. Fraternitas Saturni, lower (?) grades O.T.O stuff, basically. The things Aleister Crowley would do when visiting a brothel...
No, I don't have tried it out.