To all Awakening Wanderers/Seekers.

[J.W.]

Very interesting thread.  May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have.  I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.

Thank you for the input Flo,

You are right, the "seniority" perception comes from the "format" and "design" of this forum, showing the numbers of "likes, posts, time joined." isn't completely beneficial from what I can tell, it creates this "hierarchy" energy for the account holder and the new members seeing it. I hope L/L could remove such feature in the future, so it doesn't influence the "ego" on some members, and allow the energy of equilibrium to take place among whoever participate.

The messages I provide are in a sense ... "where they should be." Those who sees it and resonate with the message are meant to.

This goes by the "logic" of other density where space/time and time/space has no effects. Only what meant to be... meant to be.

I am glad you stay positive and remain happy through your visits, it is good to keep a "motivation" for "seeking" no matter what the intention is behind it, love, entertainment, boredom, etc. etc.

Water becomes stale if it is stagnant.

As always, with love and with light Flo.

[meadow-foreigner]

Very interesting thread.  May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have.  I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.

Thank you for the input Flo,

You are right, the "seniority" perception comes from the "format" and "design" of this forum, showing the numbers of "likes, posts, time joined." isn't completely beneficial from what I can tell, it creates this "hierarchy" energy for the account holder and the new members seeing it. I hope L/L could remove such feature in the future, so it doesn't influence the "ego" on some members, and allow the energy of equilibrium to take place among whoever participate.

The messages I provide are in a sense ... "where they should be." Those who sees it and resonate with the message are meant to.

This goes by the "logic" of other density where space/time and time/space has no effects. Only what meant to be... meant to be.

I am glad you stay positive and remain happy through your visits, it is good to keep a "motivation" for "seeking" no matter what the intention is behind it, love, entertainment, boredom, etc. etc.

Water becomes stale if it is stagnant.

As always, with love and with light Flo.

Can you identify any place, anywhere in this Earth, that is not organized hierarchically? Do you truly believe that human beings operate outside of the notion of the attribution of value, of gradation of importance or worth? This goes all way back to Egypt, such as The Book of the Dead, where slowly but surely some people corrupted the Knowledge.

Such is the STS mentality. Pyramidal, in its essence. Stratifier in its structure, and thus prone to implosion and failure.

We call such mentality obsolete.

[Sacred Fool]

Can you identify any place, anywhere in this Earth, that is not organized hierarchically?

Nature has hierarchies.  Angels have hierarchies.  The energy centers are a hierarchy. LLR has a hierarchy.  Big deal.  It's a way of creating order and getting work done.  Of itself it is neither good nor bad.  It's all in what you make of it, is it not?
   

[J.W.]

Very interesting thread.  May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have.  I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.

Thank you for the input Flo,

You are right, the "seniority" perception comes from the "format" and "design" of this forum, showing the numbers of "likes, posts, time joined." isn't completely beneficial from what I can tell, it creates this "hierarchy" energy for the account holder and the new members seeing it. I hope L/L could remove such feature in the future, so it doesn't influence the "ego" on some members, and allow the energy of equilibrium to take place among whoever participate.

The messages I provide are in a sense ... "where they should be." Those who sees it and resonate with the message are meant to.

This goes by the "logic" of other density where space/time and time/space has no effects. Only what meant to be... meant to be.

I am glad you stay positive and remain happy through your visits, it is good to keep a "motivation" for "seeking" no matter what the intention is behind it, love, entertainment, boredom, etc. etc.

Water becomes stale if it is stagnant.

As always, with love and with light Flo.

Can you identify any place, anywhere in this Earth, that is not organized hierarchically? Do you truly believe that human beings operate outside of the notion of the attribution of value, of gradation of importance or worth? This goes all way back to Egypt, such as The Book of the Dead, where slowly but surely some people corrupted the Knowledge.

Such is the STS mentality. Pyramidal, in its essence. Stratifier in its structure, and thus prone to implosion and failure.

We call such mentality obsolete.

The question and statement in itself is one side of the "spectrum"

Your answer lay somewhere between the other side once the "pendulum" start to swing back the other way.

Patience... is key... Through patience, you will see.

[houtje]

if all being involved, willingly accept their position, rooted in strong STO polarisation... you can't really call the hierarchy a hierarchy, right?

A hierarchy, in human terms, we view power increasing as you go towards the top. But this is a STS distortion.

Because there is no true difference in power. Because the choice of the beings at the bottom, directly impacts the beings above and vice versa. Notice that Ra felt responsible for aiding in the great Egyptian distortion. From that experience, Ra learned that it has to be more careful in exercising its power over lower beings. Because even though Ra's intent was most likely very much polarised towards STO, it still created an opportunity to backfire. And this backfiring caused a form of guilt or responsibility within Ra because it is Ra's choice to be STO. But its good intentions basically went against its STO aspiration/seeking.

Ra makes no distinction between what you would call humanity's failure and its own failure. Of course, Ra doesn't think in terms of failure. But it is was to make the point that Ra is a servant of humanity. And likewise we are a servant to Ra. Don't view servant as something like a slave in this context. View it as the capacity a politician should embody towards the people he servers. Remember: teach/learn, learn/teach. Ra teaches us, we learn; and as we learn, we teach Ra so that Ra can learn. We're in this together! So the distortion of hierarchy doesn't even make sense.

Is a cell in brain more important than a cell in your gut? No. If either cell gets corrupted and creates a cancer, you'll likely end up dead. Both cells are equally important. They have different functions, but if either one goes corrupt, the whole body is FUXXED.

Anyone who understands the Law of One can see that the highest of beings is no more than the smallest grain of sand. They are one and the same.

[houtje]

double post, sorry

[J.W.]

if all being involved, willingly accept their position, rooted in strong STO polarisation... you can't really call the hierarchy a hierarchy, right?

A hierarchy, in human terms, we view power increasing as you go towards the top. But this is a STS distortion.

Because there is no true difference in power. Because the choice of the beings at the bottom, directly impacts the beings above and vice versa. Notice that Ra felt responsible for aiding in the great Egyptian distortion. From that experience, Ra learned that it has to be more careful in exercising its power over lower beings. Because even though Ra's intent was most likely very much polarised towards STO, it still created an opportunity to backfire. And this backfiring caused a form of guilt or responsibility within Ra because it is Ra's choice to be STO. But its good intentions basically went against its STO aspiration/seeking.

Ra makes no distinction between what you would call humanity's failure and its own failure. Of course, Ra doesn't think in terms of failure. But it is was to make the point that Ra is a servant of humanity. And likewise we are a servant to Ra. Don't view servant as something like a slave in this context. View it as the capacity a politician should embody towards the people he servers. Remember: teach/learn, learn/teach. Ra teaches us, we learn; and as we learn, we teach Ra so that Ra can learn. We're in this together! So the distortion of hierarchy doesn't even make sense.

Is a cell in brain more important than a cell in your gut? No. If either cell gets corrupted and creates a cancer, you'll likely end up dead. Both cells are equally important. They have different functions, but if either one goes corrupt, the whole body is FUXXED.

Anyone who understands the Law of One can see that the highest of beings is no more than the smallest grain of sand. They are one and the same.

houjte, I really appreciate this input.

You really shine a light on the ignorance and the inability to understand this basic concept of STO from many seekers, wanderers etc. etc.

Those who see hierarchy as a necessity and minimizing the importance of unity completely misses the point of the "primary function" of the "wheel."

It's not the "motion" or even the "wheel" itself that plays the important role, but the "function" of it is the "key."

Also the darkest hours before dawn is upon this planetary sphere, many don't see the "light" at the end of the tunnel right now, but it's there.

As the "pendulum" will swing back the other way, the only difference this time is that it will not continue to swing after this last time.

As this planet is going towards 4th Positive.

With much love and light houjte, stay positive and safe.

[houtje]

Thank you J.W.!

I often feel like the guy at the end of Dr. Strangelove; I made this illustration




And yeah, the function of the wheel is everything. People don't seem to understand that the whole damn mechanism is there to serve as a framework for our little playgrounds of experience! People don't seem to realise that unity is probably a wee bit boring! So what better way than to use infinity to create an infinite collection of experiences? But to experience, there has to be polarity. To have infinite experience, there has to be some sort of an "infinity of polarities". And sure, from 3th density this might appear as a hierarchy but once you grasp the Law of One, all you see is Splendour. The Kabbalists sure made some very poetic contributions, yes indeed. Such marvel! Such wonder! All of us, seeking together, contributing in our own little ways. What a thing of beauty!

Every cell in my body has been screaming for a very long time: "let's get this show on the road!"

My best wishes to you too, sir!

[Ohr Ein Sof]

J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

How can you infringe on the free will of another in an open discussion? You are not attempting to silence the other self from speaking or hearing your response. The discussion is "open".

[J.W.]

J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

How can you infringe on the free will of another in an open discussion? You are not attempting to silence the other self from speaking or hearing your response. The discussion is "open".

The "infringement" comes from yours/mine actions and words.... If I sit here and don't respond to you, then you have all the freewill to think how you want of me and how this discussion goes. But the moment I say something, I injected my essence and energy into this, which "influence" you to respond back to me based on my words/actions.

That is the "infringement"

Ra's group interacting with Don, Carla, and Jim is a form of infringement, and you can see that they tried their very best to withhold some information to prevent that. Their communication with Don was also "open" there was no real "restrictions" to what Don can or cannot ask.


Vibration = resonance = distortion = action = etc. etc. etc.

Literally, to not infringe is to not say, or do anything and remain still.

But that is also not 100% correct. Because the opposing energy will always try to force a "balance"

Ohr Ein Sof, I hope this helps.

Judaism, or any religions at all can be seen as "freeing" of one's soul or path. But if you look closely, the kabbalah itself has "specific" paths which at times seems "rigid" but "not." since all paths are connected except one.

to come full circle back to your question, about how is a "open" discussion can cause infringement of freewill.

This comes down to the understanding of the duality of our polarity, the vibration of the universe, and a central point of divinity that exist in all of us where our own vibration are the same as the infinite creator.

Imagine talking to yourself in the mirror, even though it seems silly, but you are telling yourself something valuable that has effect on your psyche. We can ask, how does a conversation with one-self causes their perspective to change?


Hope this helps, and didn't spin your mind too much. Spiraling seems to be the nature of existence, haha I joke.

With love and light, Ohr Ein Sof.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

How can you infringe on the free will of another in an open discussion? You are not attempting to silence the other self from speaking or hearing your response. The discussion is "open".

The "infringement" comes from yours/mine actions and words.... If I sit here and don't respond to you, then you have all the freewill to think how you want of me and how this discussion goes. But the moment I say something, I injected my essence and energy into this, which "influence" you to respond back to me based on my words/actions.

That is the "infringement"

Ra's group interacting with Don, Carla, and Jim is a form of infringement, and you can see that they tried their very best to withhold some information to prevent that. Their communication with Don was also "open" there was no real "restrictions" to what Don can or cannot ask.


Vibration = resonance = distortion = action = etc. etc. etc.

Literally, to not infringe is to not say, or do anything and remain still.

But that is also not 100% correct. Because the opposing energy will always try to force a "balance"

Ohr Ein Sof, I hope this helps.

Judaism, or any religions at all can be seen as "freeing" of one's soul or path. But if you look closely, the kabbalah itself has "specific" paths which at times seems "rigid" but "not." since all paths are connected except one.

to come full circle back to your question, about how is a "open" discussion can cause infringement of freewill.

This comes down to the understanding of the duality of our polarity, the vibration of the universe, and a central point of divinity that exist in all of us where our own vibration are the same as the infinite creator.

Imagine talking to yourself in the mirror, even though it seems silly, but you are telling yourself something valuable that has effect on your psyche. We can ask, how does a conversation with one-self causes their perspective to change?


Hope this helps, and didn't spin your mind too much. Spiraling seems to be the nature of existence, haha I joke.

With love and light, Ohr Ein Sof.

Sounds like you are working many concepts out for yourself. You will get it all figured out in time through contemplation and prayer.

[J.W.]

We all are Ohr Ein Sof, we all are.

When you reach כֶּתֶר‎ through your prayer and contemplation, let me know.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

We all are Ohr Ein Sof, we all are.

When you reach כֶּתֶר‎ through your prayer and contemplation, let me know.

Hmmm that may be a difficult one to do. I will give it a good go though.

[Ovindu]

Thank you soo much, L\L research team has inspired me to make my own YouTube channel. I love all of you and I hope that this love manifests for you.

Just a note, I find forgiveness of others to be a great way to myself and I'm sure that you might like it too. There are people in our lives, in any one's life that 'cause' suffering or there are people that we simply don't like, this could be certain politicians but I find that forgiving those people create happiness in me. Here is my technique:

- Get into a shallow meditative state (you may use binaural beats) you don't need to meditate for more than 15 minutes
- There are two things you can do after this meditation:
- Choose someone to forgive
- Imagine the Earth/Some entity in the happiest possible circumstance

The first option can be done by imagining the person to be forgiven in your head, and mentally stop judging them. Then you may do a technique like Ho'oponopono. Let go of anger for holding anger creates more anger.

The second option is pretty easy to understand, just imagine all of the 'problems' with the Earth/entity then slowly visualise them getting naturally resolved and then feel the happiness that the Earth collective or the other entity might feel upon the 'problems' being resolved.

(I don't know what Ra says about forgiveness but could you please inform me about Ra's perspective on forgiveness as a method for simple healing please?)

Please find your own Resonance in this. It is recommended to tweak my practice so that you can find what works for you. Also can you describe some of your own practices so that I might be able to try them?
Thank you and Much love,
Ovindu

[J.W.]

Thank you soo much, L\L research team has inspired me to make my own YouTube channel. I love all of you and I hope that this love manifests for you.

Just a note, I find forgiveness of others to be a great way to myself and I'm sure that you might like it too. There are people in our lives, in any one's life that 'cause' suffering or there are people that we simply don't like, this could be certain politicians but I find that forgiving those people create happiness in me. Here is my technique:

- Get into a shallow meditative state (you may use binaural beats) you don't need to meditate for more than 15 minutes
- There are two things you can do after this meditation:
   - Choose someone to forgive
   - Imagine the Earth/Some entity in the happiest possible circumstance

The first option can be done by imagining the person to be forgiven in your head, and mentally stop judging them. Then you may do a technique like Ho'oponopono. Let go of anger for holding anger creates more anger.

The second option is pretty easy to understand, just imagine all of the 'problems' with the Earth/entity then slowly visualise them getting naturally resolved and then feel the happiness that the Earth collective or the other entity might feel upon the 'problems' being resolved.

(I don't know what Ra says about forgiveness but could you please inform me about Ra's perspective on forgiveness as a method for simple healing please?)

Please find your own Resonance in this. It is recommended to tweak my practice so that you can find what works for you. Also can you describe some of your own practices so that I might be able to try them?
Thank you and Much love,
                                    Ovindu

Ovindu, with much much love and light to you my friend.

Your message is much needed in these times, there are so much resentment and blame going on.

I do meditation forgiveness from time to time,

I also uses physical representation and rituals when I need to forgive someone a lot. lol.

here is my share,

- Start with meditation and follow through with Ovindu's technique. Visualization of the person or event, let your emotion comes, and let it go with each breath out.
- Mentally tell yourself and the infinite creator or (god) that you forgive them, but most importantly, forgive yourself.
- Treat your 3D vessel as a temple, and when you let anger in, you let a horse into your living room.
- Once you forgive, that is the first step of getting the "horse" out of your temple.

- Forgive yourself for letting anger and hate in, and start taking care of yourself again in a positive way.

- DO all of this in your meditative state.

- After this first part, come back to your present, and open your eyes SLOWLY (it's a lot for the spirit and mind to take if you just come right back into 3D illusion)

- This next part involves "rituals" and some may call it "white magic."

- Write down the name of the person you want to forgive, or the event. Forgive them, and yourself. Do this with as much "intention" or "emotion" as possible.

- Light a candle and a incense stick, place them in front of you, and place a bowl in the middle between the candle and incense.

- Use the candle to light the piece of paper you wrote on and let it burn to ash in the bowl.

- Go back into meditation.

- You can stay in meditation until both the candle and incense burn out, or whenever you feel it is enough. (You don't have to wait for it to burn out.)

- BUT, you must wait until they burn out before you toss the ashes in the bowl.

- Throw the ash away OUTSIDE of your home, either in the street and let wind carries it away, or in a river or the ocean.

- Done, rinse and repeat if necessary.



For Ra's materials and what they said about "forgiveness." Check out this link below.

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=forgiveness


Ovindu, I see your positivity and inner light, your words resonated with me and the vibration is gentle and healing. There will be tests coming your way, but try to remember this day, this version of you will carry you forward.

With much light to you,

[meadow-foreigner]

Forgiveness of others is important, but hast thou forgiven thy own self?

[J.W.]

Forgiveness of others is important, but hast thou forgiven thy own self?

to add to this,

If you could sit back, sip on some hot tea and with a deep sigh, followed by a "yep" and a smile.

You're already there. :]

[MrWho]

This Thread deserves more views. We should definatly be wary.

I would also like to add a 4th path or split other than positive negative or another 3rd density experience.

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=...vel&st=all

11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history that is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type planet or who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

34.2 Questioner: Thank you very much. We’ll start general questioning now. You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates this experience? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

Though very uncommon to do so an entity can leave at any time it wishes and return to the infinite creator. Instead of going through the traditional system, it appears.

More than likely it is negatives who do this to leave before the completion of the 75,000 year master cycle.

[Patrick]

 
And thank you mods for the time you freely give in working here.  Because it's work!  I'm having fun here, but being a moderator, well the fun part would be gone for me.  So thanks !!!

     

Guess I changed my mind !

But still having fun though.