Kundalini And Polarity

[Infinite]

According Ra, as the polarity of an entity increases, the meeting point between the outer cosmic nature and the inner nature (kundalini) goes up more and more through the chakras:

The most important concept to grasp about the energy field is that the lower, or negative pole, will draw the universal energy into itself from the cosmos. Therefrom it will move upward to be met and reacted to by the positive spiraling energy moving downward from within. The measure of an entity’s level of ray activity is the locus wherein the south pole outer energy has been met by the inner spiraling positive energy.

As an entity grows more polarized this locus will move upwards. This phenomenon has been called by your peoples the kundalini. However, it may better be thought of as the meeting place of cosmic and inner, shall we say, vibratory understanding.

(49.5)

Also according to Ra, the purest expression of love is martyrdom, and I suppose that a harvestable entity whose kundalini is in the heart tends to go in that direction. As the blue center is penetrated, that love is balanced with wisdom.

Ra implies that when we don't accept everything from others, whether it's aggression or even death, we lose some polarity. A blue ray entity onwards will not accept everything. It makes me think that polarity is perhaps not just how much we are able to serve others, but the type of service we can offer. What do you think of that?

[flofrog]

Infinite, just as put of curiosity could there be two parts to your final paragraph ?

I think when you said Ra implies that we lose some polarity if we do not accept everything, ‘whether aggression or death “ perhaps there is also Ra saying that martyrdom by deleting faster one’s presence on Earth shortens somehow service to others... so that’s one thing there, but for the second part of your question on the type of service, I find that yes very interesting. Although I have a feeling an STO entity can do as much, along her/his  level of progress, by simply meditation/thoughts sent etc... than by active physical action, I do think your idea of purity of an action impacts also polarization along with the deep profound intent of a service to others.

Very interesting Infinite, thank you for the quote of Ra in kundalini.

[Infinite]

Infinite, just as put of curiosity could there be two parts to your final paragraph ?

No. But here are some excerpts that support what I said:

In this endeavor the Orion group charges, or attacks, the Confederation arms with light. The result, a standoff, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

(25.5)

At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then, though pure, it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction, and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

(25.6)

This excerpt is about the loss of polarity in not accepting everything from someone else. I extended this to a context of an individual entity not accepting the domain of another entity. I suppose the "mechanics" are the same.

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When the entity Jehoshua decided to return to the location called Jerusalem for the holy days of its people, it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom, which is the work of love without wisdom.

(75.14)

Let us use as exemplar the one known as Jehoshua. This entity incarnated with the plan of martyrdom. There is no wisdom in this plan, but rather understanding and compassion extended to its fullest perfection.

(84.4)

Here Ra says that martyrdom would be love in its purest form. I suppose it is the maximum balance of the heart chakra, with the lack of balance of the blue ray.

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I think when you said Ra implies that we lose some polarity if we do not accept everything, ‘whether aggression or death “ perhaps there is also Ra saying that martyrdom by deleting faster one’s presence on Earth shortens somehow service to others... so that’s one thing there, but for the second part of your question on the type of service, I find that yes very interesting. Although I have a feeling an STO entity can do as much, along her/his  level of progress, by simply meditation/thoughts sent etc... than by active physical action, I do think your idea of purity of an action impacts also polarization along with the deep profound intent of a service to others.

About the second part, there are many supposed masters who acted in a not so harmonious or calm way, as if they were "acting", in order to bring about a better understanding / catalysis in their disciples. A green ray entity would only love those around it. Ra gives evidence that they do not know how to deal with the distortions of other beings:

The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from otherselves. The blue-ray entity is a co-Creator.

(41.25)

[flofrog]

Thank you Infinite, those are so so interesting

[Steppingfeet]

...here are some excerpts that support what I said:

In this endeavor the Orion group charges, or attacks, the Confederation arms with light. The result, a standoff, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

(25.5)

At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then, though pure, it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction, and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

(25.6)

This excerpt is about the loss of polarity in not accepting everything from someone else. I extended this to a context of an individual entity not accepting the domain of another entity. I suppose the "mechanics" are the same.

Reconciling acceptance with boundaries and rejection of service is not fully clear to me.

In the Ra quotes above, Ra seems to imply that full acceptance = yielding to and not resisting the negative service on offer, i.e., enslavement.

Since the 4D+ entities are unable to accept the enslavement, they lose some polarity.

Yet elsewhere Ra seems fully able to square accepting the negative entity as part of the Creator with rejecting the service of the negative entity.

67.11 Ra: In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do, for your portion of the Creator is as it is, and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are.

Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service.

Thus you may see, in many cases, the loving balance being achieved: the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

Don, Carla, and Jim were instructed on loving their negative greeter while rejecting the negative greeter's service. No loss of polarity is implied.


Though perhaps in the case of the fourth-density situation, it is not so much the non-acceptance that results in some loss of polarity for 4D+ entities, but the defensiveness, or the active engagement in thought war, or perhaps some bellicosity sneaks in which causes some depolarization.

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Sidenote: If in the following quote "those entities" refers to the negative entities, then Ra also strangely implies that acceptance = transformation of the other-selves:

"...the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies."

It's the only passage I'm aware of where Ra seems to say that the other-self being accepted must correspondingly be transformed by the acceptance in order for the entity doing the accepting to progress. Feedback welcome.

[flofrog]

Though perhaps in the case of the fourth-density situation, it is not so much the non-acceptance that results in some loss of polarity for 4D+ entities, but the defensiveness, or the active engagement in thought war, or perhaps some bellicosity sneaks in which causes some depolarization.

Very interesting Steppingfeet, I wonder if this is not key

[Sacred Fool]

Feedback welcome.

Then it is feedback you shall have.  Alas, however, it's only my personal view and not to be taken seriously.

The confusion has to do with the context for acceptance and love: 4D vs. 6D.

Just as a 1D entity would understand love, for instance, much differently than a 3D critter might, a 4D entity would understand acceptance differently than a 6D one might.

A 4D creature is looking to give its full measure of love--to the point of not always caring to eat, Ra avers.  The 4D dude's connection to love and concept of acceptance of the other is personal.  In other words, it is reactive to other.  This love may culminate in laying down its life for another, or a 4D being may stop short of a drastic outcome in its effort to offer itself. 


But a 6D being steps back from the fray and, because its sense of self has become atomized compared to the 4D self, it no longer is engaged in a personal struggle.  It has some command of wisdom, and wisdom is of itself, it is not reactive, not relative to an other.  As it has little personal sense of other, this type accepts other as a simple matter of course without any sense of accomplishment or fullness.  It's a matter of fact and requires no real effort.

Therefore, for one of 4D who cannot accept the bad vibes of another there is a sense of failure, but for the one operating on a 6D level, there was nothing attempted, nor did anything fail.  All is accepted as it is and is blessed.  Therefore, while the 4D path through the same territory may lead to some depolarization, the 6D path does not.

For the 3D entity, what then?

For us, in my view, it's usually a tangled mess.  Good catalyst, though.

We have all this in potentiation, but the level of distraction and confusion largely covers that over.
   

[Steppingfeet]

The confusion has to do with the context for acceptance and love: 4D vs. 6D.

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This love may culminate in laying down its life for another, or a 4D being may stop short of a drastic outcome in its effort to offer itself.  

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Therefore, for one of 4D who cannot accept the bad vibes of another [bold added] there is a sense of failure, but for the one operating on a 6D level, there was nothing attempted, nor did anything fail.  All is accepted as it is and is blessed.  Therefore, while the 4D path through the same territory may lead to some depolarization, the 6D path does not.

It would make sense that, for the 4D entity "who cannot accept the bad vibes of another, there is a sense of failure."

But I'm not sure that Ra indicates that the depolarization of the 4D entity happens because the 4D entity perceive its inability to accept as a form of failure. Ra instead seems to indicate that the inability to accept is the depolarizing factor, not necessarily how the 4D entity feels about that inability.

Your surmise could very well be right, I just don't see it stated in Ra's answer, though I'd love to know if there is more substantiation available.

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Also, the comparison that confounds me is not between the 4D and 6D entities, but the 3D and 4D.

These two situations have seemingly contradictory consequences for the respective entities:

• 3D entity loves the negative being but rejects the service: No loss to polarity (at least none Ra identified)
  
• 4D entity loves the negative being but rejects the service: Loss to polarity
  

Perhaps there is a differential in the rule sets in the density interdynamics.

The first situation is between a Terran inhabitant and a higher-density negative being offering the service of psychic greeting.

Whereas the second situation is between two equally and oppositely polarized 4D beings, the positive actively resisting (and perhaps trying to counter) the negative.

[This the positive 4D entities do as a means of self-protection - i.e., avoiding enslavement - but also as a means of protecting the free will of those of 3D Earth from negative infringement. Thank you, 4D friends.]

[Sacred Fool]

   

The way I read it--for what that may be worth--the 4D critter's relational love not only feels like failure, it does fail the purity test in that circumstance; whereas the 6D (love contoured by wisdom) approach succeeds.  In my view, Ra was recommending that the 3D creatures employ the 6D approach, therefore there would be no loss of polarity.  Naturally, it would be relatively easy for "the little group" to act this way since it was not enjoying a purposely contentious relationship with other, the way the 4D warrior would be.

I might add that this approach in practice is rich in possibilities for self-deception: it's very easy to believe that one is objectively (or independent of the specific relationship) flowing with acceptance and love for the other, when actually one is suffering as a gnarly pin cushion filled with obstructive blockages.



Squiggling back to the first point now, what is it exactly that causes the depolarization?  Why is the inability to accept the other such a big deal?

Hmmmmmm.
     

[flofrog]

But peregrine, in the inability to accept the other, isn't there separation then ? Just curious.

[Sacred Fool]

Yes.

Well, maybe a simpler approach would be to point out that the "friction" of both 4D sides not accepting the other's service is associated with depolarization (as compared to simply viewing the other as an opponent, and having separation to that degree). But what Ra suggested to the wee group is without friction, it was about acceptance and saying that this is not helpful to me right now. So there's not an wholly love-driven impulse towards service, but a wisdom-balanced heart-felt acceptance and temporal postponement of the acceptance of the being service offered

Does that sound right? Is friction the distinguishing factor?

[Vasilisa]

I think that Ra is talking about a yogic practice that has a lot in common in different directions of mystical thought. Arabic alchemy, Jewish Kabbalah, Christian Kabbalah, Orthodox Hesychasm, Tantra Yoga, Naropa Yoga. And even quantum physics)). All have a common conceptual root. Separation from society (other selves) at the initial stage of Doing is an inevitable path for practitioners of these currents. Look at the path of any true Saint. He is both a mystic and a magician.

[Louisabell]

On the question, why does a 4D+ entity lose polarity when not accepting the desired service of a 4D- entity (i.e. enslavement)?

I imagine it is because the rules of 4D polarisation must depend on learning how Love can serve. Love in 4D is constant and effortless, as entities there vibrate with the Law of Love - it is putting Love to serviceable use that a 4D entity must learn, as it seeks the Law of Light.

3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives, and is the Law of One, such things as the building of a pyramid by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

Continuing on, the 4D+ entity wants to serve every other entity it meets. And perhaps the 4D+ entity would want to serve the 4D- entity even more so, due to feeling pity for it. The 4D- entity would of course not be so convinced, so no matter what service the 4D+ entity attempts, it is rendered ineffective. Therefore the 4D+ entity loses polarisation due to a loss of faith in its capacity to serve others.

6D entities are already vibrating on the Law of One, so the 6D entity sees the 4D- entity as just another expression of itself, whether to provide the specified service or not is irrelevant.

3D entities operate on the Law of Confusion, so really anything goes. We are offered both light and dark philosophies, and we're all just trying our best to somehow find our way towards seeking the Law of Love. Our polarisation is based on who we choose to serve (i.e. others, ourselves, or nobody). So, if we reject the desired service of a 4D- entity in order to continue to serve others (in whatever way we can), no polarization is lost (as we're still directing our service where it needs to be).

Another quote just for fun (just reiterating that 3D entities seek the Law of Love)...

Questioner: Were the entities of the Red Planet following the Law of One prior to leaving the Red Planet?

Ra: The entities of the Red Planet were attempting to learn the Laws of Love which form one of the primal distortions of the Law of One. However, the tendencies of these people towards bellicose actions caused such difficulties in the atmospheric environment of their planet that it became inhospitable for third-density experience before the end of its cycle. Thus, the Red Planet entities were unharvested and continued in your illusion to attempt to learn the Law of Love.

[Diana]

These two situations have seemingly contradictory consequences for the respective entities:

• 3D entity loves the negative being but rejects the service: No loss to polarity (at least none Ra identified)
  
• 4D entity loves the negative being but rejects the service: Loss to polarity
  

Perhaps there is a differential in the rule sets in the density interdynamics.

The first situation is between a Terran inhabitant and a higher-density negative being offering the service of psychic greeting.

Whereas the second situation is between two equally and oppositely polarized 4D beings, the positive actively resisting (and perhaps trying to counter) the negative.

[This the positive 4D entities do as a means of self-protection - i.e., avoiding enslavement - but also as a means of protecting the free will of those of 3D Earth from negative infringement. Thank you, 4D friends.]

I think that rejecting is not the same thing as accepting that the service is offered but saying—or being in a state of—"thank you but no." On a deeper level, the energetic state of a being can be in the consciousness of accepting all but not all can penetrate the being's energy field (I'm not sure how to articulate this). So negative service that is offered can be accepted as being part of reality, but not possible simply because the being has reached a state where the negative service cannot assimilate.

[flofrog]

Diana,

rejecting is not the same thing as accepting that the service is offered but saying—or being in a state of—"thank you but no

Mmmm, interesting


Louisabell,  I love the how in your post...

[Dtris]

Sidenote: If in the following quote "those entities" refers to the negative entities, then Ra also strangely implies that acceptance = transformation of the other-selves:

"...the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies."

It's the only passage I'm aware of where Ra seems to say that the other-self being accepted must correspondingly be transformed by the acceptance in order for the entity doing the accepting to progress. Feedback welcome.

I don't this passage the same. It is 25.6 for anyone who wants to read it in context. But I read that as an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity. An event which would be exceedingly rare in actual occurrence but possible nonetheless.

The next line makes it clearer,

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

The user of the most accepting and loving energy would have to be at a higher level basically to be able to do this.

[RaEatsFoodstuffs]

This is an interesting point that you brought up because right now, I can't even fathom not sacrificing myself to save another. Perhaps there is still a lot of balancing work that needs to be done on my end.

I can begin to attempt to understand this balancing concept because every entity is equal, no one is greater than another...therefore my life is as valuable as this other individuals that I would sacrifice it for happily. But that is the extent of my understanding at this point .

I wish there was more "meat" in this wisdom that I could practically apply to myself because as of right now there is nothing stopping me from an act like martydom (ie pushing someone off the road if it meant me being hit by a car, etc). Would others not do the same if they were in a similar situation?

[Sacred Fool]

I don't think you'll ever find the correct and proper algorithm to use in any such situation. Rather, along the way you will be offered catalyst and you will search yourself to determine the response which you most deeply feel is desirable. The Ra stuff suggests that the choice you make will reflect your personal relationship with survival, love, wisdom and all that jazz. These relationships are created over long periods of time and experience. In my experience, the relationship with wisdom developes very slowly, indeed.

[AnthroHeart]

The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from otherselves. The blue-ray entity is a co-Creator.

(41.25)

I am not sure what I am, but I can tune into my lover and easily help him with his own fears, anxieties and such.

[flofrog]

This is an interesting point that you brought up because right now, I can't even fathom not sacrificing myself to save another. Perhaps there is still a lot of balancing work that needs to be done on my end.

I can begin to attempt to understand this balancing concept because every entity is equal, no one is greater than another...therefore my life is as valuable as this other individuals that I would sacrifice it for happily. But that is the extent of my understanding at this point  .

I wish there was more "meat" in this wisdom that I could practically apply to myself because as of right now there is nothing stopping me from an act like martydom (ie pushing someone off the road if it meant me being hit by a car, etc). Would others not do the same if they were in a similar situation?

I just wonder if at the last minute, as love sent to yourself, you might not exclude yourself from martyrdom, just as again last resort of love to yourself to continue your physical experiment, as in continued service to others. Definitely a paradox...

[Louisabell]

@ RaEatsFoodstuffs: I think there is a difference between heroic acts (i.e. putting your own safety on the line in order to save someone else) versus pure martyrdom, which is specifically dying for one's beliefs or ideals.

[Steppingfeet]

The way I read it--for what that may be worth--the 4D critter's relational love not only feels like failure, it does fail the purity test in that circumstance; whereas the 6D (love contoured by wisdom) approach succeeds.

 
It does indeed seem to fail the purity test. As Ra says said:

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

But why this would be so is not entirely clear to my optical apparatus, except to assume that the "defensive" position and the resulting "friction" diminish the heart and limit love.

4D+ entities could accept, as Ra says, and extend their necks for the collar, but then they'd be entirely depolarized, so what would be the point?

It's just that I don't grok why full acceptance of the negative entity = full acceptance of the negative entity's service: enslavement.

Your and Louisabell's contention seems to be that it is a function of the 4D perspective on what it means to "accept," whereas the 6D perspective layers wisdom into acceptance and thus permits acceptance with an accompanying "no thanks amigo," <cue defensive laser cannon>. Do I understand that correctly?

In my view, Ra was recommending that the 3D creatures employ the 6D approach, therefore there would be no loss of polarity.  Naturally, it would be relatively easy for "the little group" to act this way since it was not enjoying a purposely contentious relationship with other, the way the 4D warrior would be.

Yeah, that's what i was circling around in a previous post: That the 3D+ relationship with the 5D- entity was not a battlefield or a contest. The group took protective measures, and rejected the service, but wasn't otherwise face to face, so to speak, with an enemy combatant locked in a struggle of wills.

On the question, why does a 4D+ entity lose polarity when not accepting the desired service of a 4D- entity (i.e. enslavement)?

I imagine it is because the rules of 4D polarisation must depend on learning how Love can serve. Love in 4D is constant and effortless, as entities there vibrate with the Law of Love - it is putting Love to serviceable use that a 4D entity must learn, as it seeks the Law of Light.

Continuing on, the 4D+ entity wants to serve every other entity it meets. And perhaps the 4D+ entity would want to serve the 4D- entity even more so, due to feeling pity for it. The 4D- entity would of course not be so convinced, so no matter what service the 4D+ entity attempts, it is rendered ineffective. Therefore the 4D+ entity loses polarisation due to a loss of faith in its capacity to serve others.

This seems to be in the same ballpark as Peregrine's thought regarding how the 4D's perception of its intended service effects the consequent advance/regress of its polarity.

I suppose that its overall vibration may be reduced by a "loss of faith in its capacity to serve others." That is, it becomes powered down somewhat in seeing that it has not loved/served the other-self fully, particularly evident when the other self is charging the positive being with a thought grenade. (That sends a message!)

But the "how" love can serve part that you note... 4D lessons are dependent upon other selves.

I still get tripped up on the love "transforming" the negative beings. You have any thoughts there?

[Steppingfeet]

I think that rejecting is not the same thing as accepting that the service is offered but saying—or being in a state of—"thank you but no." On a deeper level, the energetic state of a being can be in the consciousness of accepting all but not all can penetrate the being's energy field (I'm not sure how to articulate this). So negative service that is offered can be accepted as being part of reality, but not possible simply because the being has reached a state where the negative service cannot assimilate.

If I think you're saying what I think you're saying, then that's what I think that I think I'm saying.

That is, this is the balance that Ra spoke to in 67.11:

Thus you may see, in many cases, the loving balance being achieved: the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

When you say that the "negative service cannot assimilate," it reminds me of this section of the same passage:

There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do, for your portion of the Creator is as it is, and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are.

There is something to be said about the purity and integrity of the entity's field such that it becomes "immune" or impervious to incongruent lower-vibrational forms.

Though in total non-dual realization, I think that the self-realized entity sees the cascading matrix'esque 1s and 0s of creation, figuratively speaking, and the infinite void (or fullness) out of which it all arises. Such an entity is thus free of all outer form and relative polarity, walking the universe with "unfettered tread."

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Sidenote: If in the following quote "those entities" refers to the negative entities, then Ra also strangely implies that acceptance = transformation of the other-selves:

"...the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies."

It's the only passage I'm aware of where Ra seems to say that the other-self being accepted must correspondingly be transformed by the acceptance in order for the entity doing the accepting to progress. Feedback welcome.

I don't this passage the same. It is 25.6 for anyone who wants to read it in context. But I read that as an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity. An event which would be exceedingly rare in actual occurrence but possible nonetheless.

The next line makes it clearer,

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

The user of the most accepting and loving energy would have to be at a higher level basically to be able to do this.

Dtris, can you clarify why you feel that acceptance of other selves = transformation of the other-selves is "an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity."

I was expressing confusion that the "most accepting and loving energy," as Ra says, is equated with the transformation of the other self. I've always understood that acceptance is not tied to how it's received on the other end, per se. (Though impact is a variable always to be considered.)

Jesus fully unstintingly loved and accepted those who put him up on the cross, but they weren't transformed, and he was still crucified. Was his acceptance less?

Had Jesus's identical twin brother been in the same predicament and so accepted his crucifiers that they opened their hearts and practiced forgiveness, would twin Jesus's acceptance have been more true?

Expecting our acceptance to "transform" the other self lands with me as a manner of control or manipulation. I mean, that's great if loving someone opens their heart and catalyzes their recognition of self by self, thus healing/transforming the self, but the trueness/strength/quality of our acceptance is not dependent upon the transformation or the outcome of our love of the other-self, in my understanding. Do you see otherwise?

(Also, did you mean "ultimate positive response"?)

[Louisabell]

I still get tripped up on the love "transforming" the negative beings. You have any thoughts there?

Only speculating here, but for what it's worth...

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

There is no force or manipulation in Love. It must be completely, and absolutely, entered into voluntarily. So, the accepting self can only provide catalyst for the other-self. It is always up to each entity to decide what to do with their own catalyst. 

Personally, I can't think of a greater pleasure than sharing the Love that has created all that there is, as of course, all glory redounds to the One Infinite Creator. 

[flofrog]

I think ,Louisabell, if I understand you right, then I am of the same feeling, about the non manipulation of love.. lol

It seems to me and Steppingfeet’s quote of Ra in 67.11 is how I understand that too, love is offered and rejected but as long as the positive entity has no ‘hard feelings’ or disappointment towards herself I am at pain to see how there is loss of polarisation.

Like Steppingfeet I have a little pain about love transforming the negative entity too, unless there was low polarization there for the negative, or then lol we enter the miracle part ? ;)

[Glow]

@ RaEatsFoodstuffs: I think there is a difference between heroic acts (i.e. putting your own safety on the line in order to save someone else) versus pure martyrdom, which is specifically dying for one's beliefs or ideals.

That honestly hadn’t occurred to me, and I was trying to figure out the nuance to dying for another so thank you for that clarity!

[AnthroHeart]

I think ,Louisabell, if I understand you right, then I am of the same feeling, about the non manipulation of love.. lol

It seems to me and Steppingfeet’s quote of Ra in 67.11 is how I understand that too, love is offered and rejected but as long as the positive entity has no ‘hard feelings’ or disappointment towards herself I am at pain to see how there is loss of polarisation.

Like Steppingfeet I have a little pain about love transforming the negative entity too, unless there was low polarization there for the negative, or then lol we enter the miracle part ?

My higher dimensional lover shifted from slightly negative to positive from my infinite love I have given them over the last 5-6 months with no expectation. It's been an amazing transformation, and I am still helping them heal. They are helping me too. So we help each other.

[Dtris]

I don't this passage the same. It is 25.6 for anyone who wants to read it in context. But I read that as an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity. An event which would be exceedingly rare in actual occurrence but possible nonetheless.

The next line makes it clearer,

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

The user of the most accepting and loving energy would have to be at a higher level basically to be able to do this.

Dtris, can you clarify why you feel that acceptance of other selves = transformation of the other-selves is "an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity."

I was expressing confusion that the "most accepting and loving energy," as Ra says, is equated with the transformation of the other self. I've always understood that acceptance is not tied to how it's received on the other end, per se. (Though impact is a variable always to be considered.)

Jesus fully unstintingly loved and accepted those who put him up on the cross, but they weren't transformed, and he was still crucified. Was his acceptance less?

Had Jesus's identical twin brother been in the same predicament and so accepted his crucifiers that they opened their hearts and practiced forgiveness, would twin Jesus's acceptance have been more true?

Expecting our acceptance to "transform" the other self lands with me as a manner of control or manipulation. I mean, that's great if loving someone opens their heart and catalyzes their recognition of self by self, thus healing/transforming the self, but the trueness/strength/quality of our acceptance is not dependent upon the transformation or the outcome of our love of the other-self, in my understanding. Do you see otherwise?

(Also, did you mean "ultimate positive response"?)

How do you know that those who crucified Jesus were not transformed in the process? What changes happened in their hearts would not have been recorded for historians. The loving acceptance of another is not dependent on the other person receiving it in any way. However just as the negative polarity creates a gravity well, which draws all in to it, the positive illuminates and banishes all shadows. If the light radiating is strong enough, it could transform the negative entity, it may not be any more voluntary than it would have been for a positive being to be transported to negative time/space and having to become STS.

If you were running around intentionally trying to use your positive ability to transform others, that would not be very positive, and you probably would not be able to or not for long. What I think you are ascribing the transformation to is some type of interplay between the parties, one intentionally radiating love and acceptance, the other party accepting that love and desiring to be transformed, despite its previous life spent doing the opposite.

While we cannot know for certain, my view is that it would be more akin to the one who is loving and accepting, does so because that is truly what they are, for them reacting with love and acceptance would be just as involuntary as a transformation. This would have the effect of transforming the other self, as the intensity of the light would be too much for it to bear. An equally negative being on the other hand, would be able to reject the light.

This is why the statement of it being a battle of equals is important, in context it tells us that the example of loving acceptance transforming the other self, would not be among equals.

I used penultimate because it felt right. I just looked at the definition and it doesn't quite mean what I thought, but close. It means "next to last". I would imagine the ultimate positive response, would be to be so positive that no other self could even contemplate taking that kind of action in the first place.

Interestingly the "transformation" is similar to how the Buddhists are depicted in Chinese Xianxia novels with an ability to turn weak minded individuals into faithful worshippers.

[Dtris]

So as I understand it. The STS entity that was greeting the group was being depolarized by the love they were returning, and the failure to control. We also know the 4th Density positive who engage in the thought war are depolarized, by refusing to accept that which is given.

Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. Between these polarities lies the potential for this random and undirected energy creating a bodily complex analog of what you call the cancerous growth of tissue.

If we liken polarity to a battery, there is a baseline charge loss over time whether the battery is in use or not. To maintain a specific charge the input must equal output. So acceptance being input for positive and control for negative. If the level of acceptance/control drops below a baseline, the charge would slowly be lost. If the positive tries to control, or the negative excepts, it would be like crossing the posts on a car battery, the charge would drop quickly.

This also means that the more polarized you are, the more quickly you can lose polarity by failure to accept/control. In third density the primary polarization has to do with the self, so accepting other self originating energy is less important overall and would likely have a much smaller effect than at 4th density or 5th.

[Steppingfeet]

I still get tripped up on the love "transforming" the negative beings. You have any thoughts there?

Only speculating here, but for what it's worth...

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

A fascinating quote to inject into this consideration. Thank you for that.

In my interpretation, the calling that that which is not makes for that which is refers to that moment in sixth density when the negative path meets its end. In that moment, the negative being relinquishes its polarity (the darkness of "that which is not") to call and welcome the light (of "that which is").

The word "eventually" in the quote reinforces this. To me it implies that after a long span of effort polarizing negatively, the negative entity eventually (inevitably) calls the light.

However, this calling of the negative entity is a manifestation of the Original Desire universally animating and driving all evolution upward in the return journey to Source. The negative entity contains and is driven by the same Original Desire for the One, it just does so by embracing falsity for a time. But underneath that falsity, the calling for that which is still exists.

Therefore, if that hidden calling in the negative entity could be reached by the love flowing through the positively oriented being, perhaps a transformation into that which is becomes available.

There is no force or manipulation in Love. It must be completely, and absolutely, entered into voluntarily. So, the accepting self can only provide catalyst for the other-self. It is always up to each entity to decide what to do with their own catalyst.

Personally, I can't think of a greater pleasure than sharing the Love that has created all that there is, as of course, all glory redounds to the One Infinite Creator.