Harvest/End times?

[cygnus]

Hey all! Im not really new to the forum but its been a while since i made a post. I actually think I may have only posted once.?
my question is, with all that is going on in the world, which seems like alot of uncertainty and unrest, basically alot of stress. do you think this is finally harvest or end times?
i think in the LOO it stated that the higher densities have more energy due to the vibration of the density. since the timeline Ra gave indicated that we are indeed in the process of, and may now be, in 4th dimensional space, it does seem like things are happening due to an increased energy level.
im not always good at expressing what i mean so i hope this makes sense. love to hear everyones thoughts on this and what you think is in store in the near future.

[Glow]

Hi Cygnus. Welcome back.

According the the channelings the harvest was already happening in the 80s and they projected it would last between 100 and 700 years. So here we are.

My personal interpretation is that a lot of opportunities to make the choice are being presented as we go deeper into the harvest period.

Whether is due to the disharmony of a 4D planet and a still 3D mostly unpolarized towards 4D society or just a gift of catalyst to help us choose that is sort of unknown to me but likely the two are linked.

So all this turmoil as catalyst acts on our current polarity mixed with our shadow parts and in each opportunity we can further polarize, either towards fear and control, or unity/love and acceptance. I am sure others will be along to add their perspectives but that is mine.

It's a difficult time but also one of intense work. Those stuck in the sinkhole that have resisted making the choice and polarizing are being encouraged by "all this" to do so.

I have hope it will spur people to start choosing.

[Plenum]

Hi cygnus - just moved this thread to the Transition to Fourth Density subforum, as it's the perfect fit for your post.

Cheers - and great to have you present.

[unity100]

'End times' is a semitic mythology. There isnt such 'end times' in other mythologies or teachings.

Even in the case of Native Ameican mythology or outright Mayan calendar, there is no 'end time' but rather a change of period, a rise in frequency.

But speaking in street speak, no - there has been bigger cataclysms or social unrest or troubles in history before. The current situation is not significant of any such thing.

But if one puts in context, comparing how the situation in China with its responsible society and administration is, compared to the some of the supposedly 'free' nations of the world who are outright throwing their people into the dustbin to protect the stock market and not even feeling the need to pretend, one could say that this situation is a manifestation of the trait of green vibration that makes the true nature of things and people to come into the open.

[cygnus]

Hi Cygnus. Welcome back.

According the the channelings the harvest was already happening in the 80s and they projected it would last between 100 and 700 years. So here we are.

My personal interpretation is that a lot of opportunities to make the choice are being presented as we go deeper into the harvest period.

Whether is due to the disharmony of a 4D planet and a still 3D mostly unpolarized towards 4D society or just a gift of catalyst to help us choose that is sort of unknown to me but likely the two are linked.

So all this turmoil as catalyst acts on our current polarity mixed with our shadow parts and in each opportunity we can further polarize, either towards fear and control, or unity/love and acceptance. I am sure others will be along to add their perspectives but that is mine.

It's a difficult time but also one of intense work. Those stuck in the sinkhole that have resisted making the choice and polarizing are being encouraged by "all this" to do so.

I have hope it will spur people to start choosing.

thank you for your thoughts. i too have thought that times like this are good for choices to be made. i have wondered if the sts(ers) are able to use the uncertainty and more discord to keep harvest numbers down.? i dont like to use negative and positive as terms but got lack of other words, drawing more souls towards the sts beliefs or side.

[cygnus]

Hi cygnus - just moved this thread to the Transition to Fourth Density subforum, as it's the perfect fit for your post.

Cheers - and great to have you present.

thanks for the welcome! im not really experienced on navigating forums, how do i find the subforum please?

[cygnus]

'End times' is a semitic mythology. There isnt such 'end times' in other mythologies or teachings.

Even in the case of Native Ameican mythology or outright Mayan calendar, there is no 'end time' but rather a change of period, a rise in frequency.

But speaking in street speak, no - there has been bigger cataclysms or social unrest or troubles in history before. The current situation is not significant of any such thing.

But if one puts in context, comparing how the situation in China with its responsible society and administration is, compared to the some of the supposedly 'free' nations of the world who are outright throwing their people into the dustbin to protect the stock market and not even feeling the need to pretend, one could say that this situation is a manifestation of the trait of green vibration that makes the true nature of things and people to come into the open.

thank you for your thoughts. i dont always have the best word or terms to use to describe things. im not sure if the words end times are actually in the bible but its a term my religious friends use. yes, there have always been challenging times, its humans after all hahaha i guess i am relating it that way because i am experiencing it firsthand. history can tell me about times of turbulence but i cant really know if i wasnt there. dont quite understand your thoughts on china.?

[Plenum]

thanks for the welcome!  im not really experienced on navigating forums, how do i find the subforum please?

Yes - on the main page -

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/

You will find it listed under the Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters section.

<thumbs up>

[unity100]

dont quite understand your thoughts on china.?

China has a culture that is based on practical and societal things that prioritize the well being of people and the society over other things. Like prioritizing people over profits or the stock market. This is compounded by the government they have, which just threw billions of dollars to solve the problem the moment they discovered 12 infected people. They tested 11 million people right away, then shut down an 11 million city, then shut down entire country without a blink. They provided money to the people in quarantine, they even organized delivery of food to elderly people who couldnt leave their flats.

In contrast, US has arranged a one time $600 check to 'those who qualify' then basically let 30 million who lost their jobs and their healthcare to rot.

Instead US bailed out the stock market with $3 trillion. Initiative was led by the very man who was supposed to 'drain the swamp'.

Difference of priorities. In one country, 'the economy' is more important, in the other, people's lives take priority.

Result is simple:

While people in countries like US are suffering and feeling the impact of very dire times, people in China more or less returned to normal, and their perspective of the situation is a serious but minor mishap that was averted more or less seriously. While in the US, many families dont have money to buy food. Other countries are affected in between.

So basically this situation is an 'end times' depending on the perspective of the person and how much s/he was impacted by the situation. For those who were not impacted seriously, not that much...

[cygnus]

dont quite understand your thoughts on china.?

China has a culture that is based on practical and societal things that prioritize the well being of people and the society over other things. Like prioritizing people over profits or the stock market. This is compounded by the government they have, which just threw billions of dollars to solve the problem the moment they discovered 12 infected people. They tested 11 million people right away, then shut down an 11 million city, then shut down entire country without a blink. They provided money to the people in quarantine, they even organized delivery of food to elderly people who couldnt leave their flats.

In contrast, US has arranged a one time $600 check to 'those who qualify' then basically let 30 million who lost their jobs and their healthcare to rot.

Instead US bailed out the stock market with $3 trillion. Initiative was led by the very man who was supposed to 'drain the swamp'.

Difference of priorities. In one country, 'the economy' is more important, in the other, people's lives take priority.

Result is simple:

While people in countries like US are suffering and feeling the impact of very dire times, people in China more or less returned to normal, and their perspective of the situation is a serious but minor mishap that was averted more or less seriously. While in the US, many families dont have money to buy food. Other countries are affected in between.

So basically this situation is an 'end times' depending on the perspective of the person and how much s/he was impacted by the situation. For those who were not impacted seriously, not that much...

i would have to disagree that in a communist country people are the priority. i do agree that our govt, no matter who is in office doesnt put the people first. my question wasnt really about that tho. i was just wanting to get peoples thoughts on if they thought more energy coming in as a result of dimension shift/harvest could be why things seem to be escalating more.? or is it just people finally getting fed up and doing what they think will get them some change? thanks for your reply

[unity100]

i would have to disagree that in a communist country people are the priority.

You would be incorrect.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-think-C...zgur-Zeren

Reality is to the contrary of what the Anglosphere media depicts.

i do agree that our govt, no matter who is in office doesnt put the people first.

And because they dont do that, they must smear others and make others appear worse - even through lies. Like they are doing about everyone else including China.

i was just wanting to get peoples thoughts on if they thought more energy coming in as a result of dimension shift/harvest could be why things seem to be escalating more.? or is it just people finally getting fed up and doing what they think will get them some change? thanks for your reply

Mix of those.

Epidemics and new diseases have been happening since a while - a few decades. They were increasing and having more impact. This is as a result of the green vibration's nature of making thoughts create things. The worse mental, psychological, spiritual health the societies have, the worse diseases or circumstances they will create.

Decrease of lifespan in 2nd cycle was noted by Ra to have happened due to people starting to see each other as things to exploit rather than people. Today it continues, in the form of capitalism, by people being forced to work for low pay, overstretched, exhausted while a minority hoards profits. The system is only kept in place by creating hostilities in between people through negative thoughts like separation, supremacism and if those fail, by propping up war or rumors of war.

Not a healthy situation.

Added to that is the literal psychopathy that ended up happening with healthcare in US as an example, selling off this critical service to private profiteers, who crippled the system for profit and effected an environment in which not only people die if they cant pay, but also in which the society's means and resources are crippled because there was no profit in keeping supplies or extra beds/capacity to be prepared for a pandemic.

And then people were left without help to prevent spending so that tax breaks and stock market could be protected and so on.

All of which are the creations of the same polarity bias of selfishness.

So it has double effect. The diseases created or amplified by negative thoughts and attitudes are compounded by the system which the same thoughts and attitudes created.

...

People react, of course...

Some turn to activism, community organizing, politics, trying to make things better by fighting against selfishness and psychopathy. Some just protest. Some just lash out in anger.

And some just deny the reality...

https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1...9555292162

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These are not far off from what is depicted in various mythologies and prophecies about people 'going crazy' in 'end times'. But then again since we dont see any destruction like the ones which happened in Maldek or Mars, we could say that this is due to we being on a different timeline. So maybe we should be thankful that we have only this amount of craziness in the society instead of entire society going apesh*t and trying to make Jesus return by creating a world war or something...

[flofrog]

Hello Cygnus, lovely to see you back here.

For my part, I wonder if there is not definitely a shift in vibration simply felt by everyone, whether we feel it more consciously or less, but feeling it. Then whether we feel prone to anxiety or have a sense of balancing yourself, it will affect us differently, and may bring both exhilaration plus desire to become more active and help, and definitely the virus has created numerous situations with extraordinary acts of kindness and courage, or if anxious an urge to withdraw or constricti, and sometimes those feelings happening nearly consecutively. But we do feel everyone is affected, right ?

[cygnus]

Hello Cygnus,  lovely to see you back here.  

For my part, I wonder if there is not definitely a shift in vibration simply felt by everyone, whether we feel it more consciously or less, but feeling it.  Then whether we feel prone to anxiety or have a sense of balancing yourself, it will affect us differently, and may bring both exhilaration plus desire to become more active and help, and definitely the virus has created numerous situations with extraordinary acts of kindness and courage, or if anxious an urge to withdraw or constricti, and sometimes those feelings happening nearly consecutively.    But we do feel everyone is affected, right ?  

hello flofrog, thanks for the welcome and the reply. interesting perspective and i have both those feelings. i spend less time in the slightly anxious feelings tho as it is not a healthy perspective for me to run around in. im not a religious person but it does feel to me like the age old theme of good vs evil for lack of better terms is what i see going on. i mentioned harvest as i am wondering if this is the last choosing for those who havent determined their polarity.? and not sure if it works this way but could it be the sts are working extra hard to increase their numbers? maybe it just seems this way to me but things do seem more intense and the stakes higher. i dont know anyone to bat these concepts around with, used to talk about it with my mom but she is older now and not much for deep thinking. i usually talk to myself while trying not to get caught, hahaha

[flofrog]

lol, talking to oneself is not so bad

I think those times are pretty good to have us build faith. Not as religious faith, but faith that nothing happens by mistakes and that we are all int he same boat. Doesn't mean we dont have to do the work, right but it's pretty elating knowing that all of us are working hard through this, even the ones who look lazy There is plenty of examples around us right now of entities who are very courageous, so it's elating, and the ones who look less so, who knows what is going inward. It's ok to feel fluctuating, no path is quite straight but all aims towards a good end somehow...

Harvest to me is an elusive thought, it is more to me to know what do I do right now... choices, choices...

keep on Cygnus,

[Dtris]

Hello Cygnus,  lovely to see you back here.  

For my part, I wonder if there is not definitely a shift in vibration simply felt by everyone, whether we feel it more consciously or less, but feeling it.  Then whether we feel prone to anxiety or have a sense of balancing yourself, it will affect us differently, and may bring both exhilaration plus desire to become more active and help, and definitely the virus has created numerous situations with extraordinary acts of kindness and courage, or if anxious an urge to withdraw or constricti, and sometimes those feelings happening nearly consecutively.    But we do feel everyone is affected, right ?  

hello flofrog, thanks for the welcome and the reply.  interesting perspective and i have both those feelings. i spend less time in the slightly anxious feelings tho as it is not a healthy perspective for me to run around in.  im not a religious person but it does feel to me like the age old theme of good vs evil for lack of better terms is what i see going on.   i mentioned harvest as i am wondering if this is the last choosing for those who havent determined their polarity.? and not sure if it works this way but could it be the sts are working extra hard to increase their numbers?  maybe it just seems this way to me but things do seem more intense and the stakes higher.  i dont know anyone to bat these concepts around with, used to talk about it with my mom but she is older now and not much for deep thinking.  i usually talk to myself while trying not to get caught, hahaha    

If you pay attention to popular media at all there is a common joke about this being the longest year ever. I have personally noticed that time seems to be being perceived by myself, and apparently others in mass differently than usual.

There is certainly a polarization that seems to be occurring and it is happening on a massive scale. The virus is merely the most prominent catalyst. In general we have the unmasking of the elite, the transparent lack of concern for the freedoms or lives of the subjects, and the blatant abuses of power being brought to the fore. Where conspiracy minded people used to be a fringe group there are not conspiracies that are pop culture.

As you said we cannot really compare this to other time periods since we weren't there but we who have been students of the LOO can see certain STS and STO paradigms playing out in the public sphere now. This is certainly different than it was in the previous decades as for the most part the mask of civility was left in place by the media and those in the public eye. Whether this is business as usual or evidence of a larger shift, who knows.

[Glow]

This seemed relevant

[flofrog]

<sigh> about what Glow finds

[cygnus]

lol,  talking to oneself is not so bad  

I think those times are pretty good to have us build faith. Not as religious faith, but faith that nothing happens by mistakes and that we are all  int he same boat. Doesn't mean we dont have to do the work, right  but it's pretty elating knowing that all of us are working hard through this, even the ones who look lazy     There is plenty of examples around us right now of entities who are very courageous,  so it's elating, and the ones who look less so, who knows what is going inward.  It's ok to feel fluctuating, no path is quite straight but all aims towards a good end somehow...  

Harvest to me is an elusive thought, it is more to me to know what do I do right now... choices, choices...

keep on Cygnus,

Harvest to me is an elusive thought, it is more to me to know what do I do right now... choices, choices... great perspective flofrog, thank you for your insight, hope to talk again enjoy!