To all Awakening Wanderers/Seekers.

[J.W.]

Hello everyone,

The timing of this post is not a coincidence, if you are meant to see this, then you are here. If this resonate with you, I am pleased to hear, if it does not, I am also happy and appreciative of your initial interest/curiosity.

As many of us know, there is a shift that is happening, and before I go further. I am going to minimize the significant of any "dooms day" or "Hollywood" type of dramatic events speculation. So please, if you are going to comment, please refrain from setting a "doom" clock/speculation. Thank you.

For the sake of clarity and unbiased understanding, and to avoid the infringement of freewill/ Law of Confusion/ Law of attraction.

My words/vibration are not meant to influence you towards making a decision that you must make for yourself. The information I have below are to simply "inform" you as you are going through your process of awakening and realizing there are more than what meet the eyes of our current incarnation.


To touch a few basic fundamental information for the purpose to ease any confusion that might surface. Our current space/time/situation is as follows.

- Our planet "Earth" has made/making a positive transition towards a 4th density planet.
- "Harvest" as in ceasing of the existing vessels for the determination of one's soul of "graduation" or "re-learning" their lessons is an on going process and continuing as it should be, based on Ra's conversation with Don.

- Upon your "Death" you and you(creator/higher-self) will determine if your polarity orientate towards positive or negative, or a "re-cycle" is necessary of the density you were just in.

- If you "graduate" towards STO (Service to Others), meaning you think/act for the benefit of others' well being, and put others first, and before yourself 51% of the time in your life, then you will come back to Earth as a 4th Positive incarnation. (or other 4th Pos. Planet, by your choice, there are always freewill)

- If you "graduate" towards STS (Service to Self), meaning you only care about yourself and your action orientate towards your own gain 95% of the time in your life, then you will go to another 4th density Negative Planet.

- If you "fluctuate" between STO and STS... where hypothetically, your percentage falls under 51% STO or below 95% STS then you... in a sense.. wasn't learning the lessons, and/or have any intention to progress. Either because you were under the pressure of Law of Confusion (L.O.C.) or you simply "gave up" because the trauma/lesson of your incarnation is too much to bear. Therefore, you will go to another 3rd density planet to continue your lesson. (The other 3rd density planet could just be like Earth, and life on that planet could be similar to the human's history that our planet have witnessed.)

In 3rd density existence, especially for the soul/energy, is about the "choices." Therefore, the entity on that 3rd density planet are/will probably be dealing with the same lessons of either choosing Positive or Negative, STS, STO paths. Hence, similar to us (humans) on this planet dealing with all the positive and negative things we do to each others.

As a checkpoint, you are free to choose which ever paths you decide to, for there is no definitive right and wrong under the Law of One.
Your own perception of Good and Bad has nothing to do with whatever lessons you are suppose to learn in your "re-births." Please do not let my words influence you, for the freewill is not mine to possess.


Now, moving forward, there are methodology that both STS and STO entities employs to pass down their knowledge to those who are awakening and or seeking.

STO entities (humans included) will gives out unsolicited information and knowledge on how to graduate with positive STO polarity. This is done with the least amount of Law of Attraction as possible, or infringement's on the student/teacher, teacher/student freewill.

Example of this, Jesus of Nazareth and Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) Consistently tells their disciples to not worship them or look at them as "gods".. for "god" exist in each and everyone of us, this is Jesus's attempt to teach the Law of One.

They also do not encourage any form of occult or obsessive religious practices that glorify the intention of benefiting one self. i.e. "praying for a beautiful wife" or "praying to make a lot of money" etc. etc.

Their teachings and influence shows their students that the "self" from within is the starting point and also the pinnacle of one's enlightenment.

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STS entities (humans included) will use solicitation for their "service." or "help." But since the nature of "selfishness" is not perceived as a positive thing on this Planet, they must cunningly hide it under the veil of "good services/services for others" and/or applying the Law of Confusion and Law of Attraction to their manipulation.

Example of this exist with Adolf Hitler, where he pursued others to follow his "vision" of "evolution" or "advancement" under the notion that all humans should fall under the Aryan race (master race).
The extreme radicalization from the group called ISIS also employ such tactics to "enforce" their beliefs and dream of a "unity" under rigidity and structure.

On the softer side of this STS polarity, there are those that "sees" themselves as "masters" in spirituality and becomes "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" whom all offers their experience on how to become "successful" ...but in exchange of monetary gain, you have to pay them.
In turns, this create a mentality for their "students" to act selfishly with their own success, and create a separation from themselves and other-selves where they view as "lower" human beings.

This is the root of Elites and Elitism, where we have "classes" and/or "closed" circles of society where their prosperity and materials possession must be regulated to the benefit for themselves.

Although this mentality is not a true singularity by nature, because they understands that they can't do everything alone, so they need set up a pyramid for other-selves whom they view as "stupid" or "lower" to work for them with the imbalance division of wealth and/or resources that play as the deciding factors of one's worth.

Simply because they live with the mentality
"if it wasn't because of me, this whole company would have gone bankrupt!" It falls under many examples of past "Kings" "Emperors" "Rulers" "Great influential individuals" that goes by the notion of..
"Without my intelligent, Without my strength, everyone else would have perish, therefore I worth more, and I should be rewarded!"

Check point,

In full disclosure, I am oriented towards positive polarity, and have chosen this path during my awakening. In my journey, I was constantly preyed upon by STS entities and people to polarize towards their paths under the Law of Attraction/Confusion.

I quickly was able to identify their manipulative nature and wants nothing to do with it, for there is no true freewill under STS, you are bound and shackle by your own temptation and greed.

Once I made it through, I witness and observe others like myself whom also faces the same situation and falls under manipulative tactics of STS path.

As "coincidences" and "opportunity" allows me to warn other Wanderers/Seekers, especially those that are awakening, I do not hesitate to share and reveal the ploys, manipulation, deception, confusion and tactics that are used to infringe on their true freewill.


To conclude this post, I would like to leave you with this

https://montalk.net/matrix/118/methods-of-deception

This link is credited to a member on this forum that goes by dreamoftheiris.

he/she shows me this link in my previous post of "Rendezvous, its time to regroup." And I find it very informative and align with the information I am showing others.

Please Identify the ploy and tactics of STS if you do not want to be falling under any form of manipulation/confusion/ and ultimately relinquishing your freewill BY your own freewill.

They can't take your freewill away from you by force, but they can definitely make you give it up yourself.

Be vigilant, be grounded, and stay true.

Thank you for your time reading this, whether you resonated or not with the information, I am grateful for your light to come across my words/vibration.

May the lights guide you, friends.

[sillypumpkins]

Well stated JW and welcome

[J.W.]

Well stated JW and welcome

Thank you sillypumpkins, for your time and comment.

[J.W.]

Just to add one last piece of "observation/comment."

I hope that in a way this can bring some peace and reassurance to those that are facing the harsh vibration of awakening, and at the same time going through this "shift" while being preyed on by "negative" polarization. This is a lot for a soul to take.

I am observing a lot of people/souls vibration around me near or far, and I can see that there is no doubt the "change" is up heaving whatever norms we were so "attached" and "comfortable" with when the planet was in 3rd density transition.

To simply put, it's driving everyone a little "crazy."

And as the nature of Negative polarity to be "opportunistic", they are exploiting this whole "transition" for their personal gain... and this goes unprecedented on all aspects/levels. From politicians, governmental bodies, celebrities, to "gurus", "self-help" programs, religious organizations, and so on, and so forth.

You can literally see all the negatively polarize entities on this planet are grouching, clawing and exploiting at any chance given, with extreme measures/exloitation.
It almost seems like a "feasting" season for predators, or maybe a "desperate" attempt to stuff one's mouth gluttonously before death. Since this planet is polarizing towards positive.

There is a pattern of destruction, and the revealing of all of the hidden "dirt," accumulated on this planet by negative polarity,
i.e. corruption, human sex trafficking, war, destruction of the environment, etc. etc.

Also, it was a little disheartening for me to see there's quite a lot of seekers/wanderers on this forum that are caught up in the maelstrom of the current "shift."
and in a semi-disgruntle/melancholy attitude towards the information Ra has given us. Some of the posts on this forum from what I have seen stems from "blaming." i.e. blaming other densities beings for intervening in the past, blaming the Alantis civilization, blaming the negative side of the human's history as a whole. etc. And then dreading about their incarnation on this planet without looking at the fact that there is a "reason" why we are all incarnated here to begin with.

There is a pattern of hoping to go to a "better" planet, thinking this is a lost cause. etc. etc.

There are so much negative energy that revolves around the pattern of "Running away from your problems, and looking for a new Nirvana."

This "attitude" are being observed and I can see it not only exist on here in bring4th, but also widely spread with the entire country and planet as a whole.

Either it will be "I want to reincarnate somewhere else next life." or "I hope Elon Musk can get us to Mars quickly."

This is from my speculation, but isn't it is kinda apparent that the situations/progression we are experiencing currently on Earth "seems" "grim" and "hopeless" for a reason?

Everyone initial reaction is to "jump ship." But there seems to be a lesson/choice for us to make as humanity to stand our ground and face the "music" and stop running away or synthetically producing our "heavens."

As always, with Love and Light and have faith in the infinite creator that all is well, and be at peace with the self.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you J.W. for your input. I agree as it resonates with the Ra Material very well.

[Puya]

Thank you brother/sister for your information, which are resonating very well with me, indeed i would say i needed to read them.

I also would say the ongoing transition is showing the current state (negativ/positiv) of the individual person and also thoughts negativ or positiv are manifesting at a much higher rate which results in people getting more stuck with the negativ (i think negativ thoughts are harder to overcome for the most people and espacially now it seems to me that they get stuck with them)

But i also can see a lot more people doing and preaching STO and the fact that litarally millions of wanderes from positiv origin are here and still coming with much less negativ wanderes on the other side, is the reason this planet is going to be or already is positiv 4th density. But also the ones who already know who they are and why they are here are in constant need to get input like yours, because if its not negativ thoughts it may be this materialisic world which is dragging your mind into it and sadly near to everything around us what is materialistic was manipulated into the negativ or is in direct connection with mostly negativ things (Money, Sexualisation, TV, Social Media, Normal Media, PC-Games, etc.)

Therefore we have to stay awake for every moment or we may get blinded or stuck even with the little things, this is our honor and our responsibility because as wanderer we came here to assist and help all these entities which are having are really hard time in all aspects of this world which may also be other wanderes who got lost on their journey.

We need every single one of you.

Light and Love

[J.W.]

Thank you J.W. for your input. I agree as it resonates with the Ra Material very well.

Thank you Sun, for your comment and kind words.

[J.W.]

Thank you brother/sister for your information, which are resonating very well with me, indeed i would say i needed to read them.

I also would say the ongoing transition is showing the current state (negativ/positiv) of the individual person and also thoughts negativ or positiv are manifesting at a much higher rate which results in people getting more stuck with the negativ (i think negativ thoughts are harder to overcome for the most people and espacially now it seems to me that they get stuck with them)

But i also can see a lot more people doing and preaching STO and the fact that litarally millions of wanderes from positiv origin are here and still coming with much less negativ wanderes on the other side, is the reason this planet is going to be or already is positiv 4th density. But also the ones who already know who they are and why they are here are in constant need to get input like yours, because if its not negativ thoughts it may be this materialisic world which is dragging your mind into it and sadly near to everything around us what is materialistic was manipulated into the negativ or is in direct connection with mostly negativ things (Money, Sexualisation, TV, Social Media, Normal Media, PC-Games, etc.)

Therefore we have to stay awake for every moment or we may get blinded or stuck even with the little things, this is our honor and our responsibility because as wanderer we came here to assist and help all these entities which are having are really hard time in all aspects of this world which may also be other wanderes who got lost on their journey.

We need every single one of you.

Light and Love

I am happy to hear you are staying positive and being aware through your journey, and I am very glad to know you sensed a "right" timing for the information you have read.

This brings me joy to know the ripples and resonance I create are being bounced back as I am also a student of what I stand for, and the aspect of teach/learn and learn/teach exist perpetually.

You are correct about the observation you made on the illusion we are currently facing as entities/souls on this planet. A flood gate has been open and the shift is picking up pace.

You will fall, and rise, and fall again, then get shaken up, then become calm, and become down, and regain hopes and push forward to help others. So on and so forth, until we find the balance on the string of existence. Which is very possible "in time."

I am here friend, we are all here, we need you too, and we have always been standing next to each others.

Stay positive, all is well.
With love and light my friend.

[reason]

Thank you JW for the concise and clear wording in which you describe the Harvest process.

The article linked also contains some helpful info, such as

Preoccupation with lower truths can distract from the pursuit of higher truths. For instance, obsession with exposing political corruption can distract from gaining necessary spiritual empowerment, which is a popular tactic employed by hyperdimensional entities and their human agents. Positive sources prioritize by framing lower truths in their higher context.

[Sacred Fool]

Please accept my apologies in advance if this message comes across as overbearing. I'm typing it for the sake of clarity, not because I believe in fastidious rule following for its own sake, and I am certainly not imputing false motivation to anyone at all.

Nearly all of those posting on this thread are very new to these forums and are likely unaware of its intended organizational structure. This forum is called "Strictly Law of One Material," and that means it was intended to host discussions of specific passages from the Ra Material, not individual explications of related ideas. That kind of thing falls under a different forum.

In ages past, this site was actively moderated and this thread would have been moved to the appropriate area, but in latter days the moderators have abandoned the ship and the organizational structure has become somewhat chaotic.

Actually, this hasn't been such a terrible thing, but I would ask those participating here to please be respectful and post in areas according to the nature of their material. Otherwise, people looking for specific types of material can't find it and things become more muddled.

One way forward here, for instance, could be for the originator of this thread to contact the moderators--if any are still viable entities upon this planetary sphere, i.e., not dead--and ask that this thread be relocated.

Thanks.
~moi

[J.W.]

Thank you JW for the concise and clear wording in which you describe the Harvest process.

The article linked also contains some helpful info, such as

Preoccupation with lower truths can distract from the pursuit of higher truths. For instance, obsession with exposing political corruption can distract from gaining necessary spiritual empowerment, which is a popular tactic employed by hyperdimensional entities and their human agents. Positive sources prioritize by framing lower truths in their higher context.

I really appreciate your kind words and comment about my wording, I am quite critical about myself when it comes to finding the correct translation and how I convey my information/discussion. It is a relief to know my vibration/wording is adequate for clear understanding.

Also, Thank you for your contribution to my post, The quote you provided is very true for the general atmosphere around the world at the present time. There is a huge progression towards bellicose in almost all aspects of life/people, and/or influence from "suppose" "leaders" or organizations public/private to push the general public into a state of confusion and/or conformity due to a method of "control chaos."

In short, as we study the Law of One through Ra's conversation with Don, we need to be aware of the teachings and attention Ra has made about how negative polarity works. As it is a hindrance/preoccupation for ones journey towards higher truths.

[J.W.]

Please accept my apologies in advance if this message comes across as overbearing.  I'm typing it for the sake of clarity, not because I believe in fastidious rule following for its own sake, and I am certainly not imputing false motivation to anyone at all.

Nearly all of those posting on this thread are very new to these forums and are likely unaware of its intended organizational structure.  This forum is called "Strictly Law of One Material," and that means it was intended to host discussions of specific passages from the Ra Material, not individual explications of related ideas.  That kind of thing falls under a different forum.

In ages past, this site was actively moderated and this thread would have been moved to the appropriate area, but in latter days the moderators have abandoned the ship and the organizational structure has become somewhat chaotic.

Actually, this hasn't been such a terrible thing, but I would ask those participating here to please be respectful and post in areas according to the nature of their material.  Otherwise, people looking for specific types of material can't find it and things become more muddled.

One way forward here, for instance, could be for the originator of this thread to contact the moderators--if any are still viable entities upon this planetary sphere, i.e., not dead--and ask that this thread be relocated.

Thanks.
~moi

Peregrine, there is no need for apology unless there was a premonition to minimize and/or a tone of "take your speech somewhere else" from your comment.

From my understanding of your comment, you are in a way, asking for a structural and "straight to the point/relevancy" for current posts and future posts to be placed where they respectfully relevant to the context of the information presented.

In this post, I have summarized the contents directly from the source of Ra's materials, and made an attempt to teach/learn and learn/teach "strictly" aligning with
vocabulary, definition, and the philosophy of the Law of One.

I do not find anywhere in my post where I speak about "what I ate for breakfast," and/or "I think the sky is blue because..." and/or any irrelevant topics that doesn't relate to the materials of the Law of One. I find my information to be consistently within the boundary of what was discussed between Don and Ra in the transcript.

On top of this, there are posts under this forum that shares/inquire about information/materials that are more or less, "discuss" on the "premises" relating to the materials of Ra, or the Law of One, in examples with the following posts.

"Nubian Pyramid uses"
"Similar books to the Ra material"
"Law of One vs Edgar Cayce on Egypt"
"Sexual Energy Exchange"
"Trump rally in Tulsa causing an earthquake and demonstrating a case study"
etc. etc.

These posts are only a few examples of the "freedom of discussions" that bring4th.org and the community on here are able to freely discuss about the Law of One. At the same time bringing their own curiosity, information, and contribution to the community. What is the problem?

Another aspect that is brought to my attention is that, as someone whom has recently discovered this forum/website, the nature of it's directory has led me to this forum "Strictly Law of One Material." I could imagine that anyone/any souls that is "awakening" and or looking into the Law of One, would venture towards this forum, therefore it has the highest "traffic" out of the others. This in term goes back to my original intention of posting my information and contribution under this forum.

Because the ideas behind this post is to "inform" and summarize contents that are "Strictly the Law of One" to other-selves Wanderers/Seekers whom could be "misguided" or manipulated by negative polarity. Therefore, they could be informed and make decisions truly based on their freewill. How is this not Law of One materials?

Please be understanding that I have looked into other categories/topics/forums like...

L/L Research Channeling Archives
Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters
Healing
Science & Technology

Where under the nature of their titles, I hope you can understand that I see the contents of my post to be adequate and aligned with this forum (Strictly Law of One Material.) instead.

The Information, The Intent to share and discussion revolving the Law of One Materials, The Traffic and audiences (to address your concern of others convenience to search for information.) All seems to be aligned and relevant to it's nature.

Peregrine, I appreciate your thought and intention to move this thread to a "proper" place, and even your notion of telling me to "move forward" with your directives on what to do with my thread. I find your nature to be quite controlling and your vibration really isn't under the intention of reading, and or understanding my discussion.

I appreciate your "comment" and I choose to stand fast under your "directive" and your "intent" to "help" others to "search" the forums "easier."

May the light guides you,

[J.W.]

To comment further,

This is for general discussion purposes. I find that the "structure" and "lamination" of giving "senior" members in this community "stars" "titles" and a public record of "likes" has really taken a turn towards incumbency and rigidity of the mind of the owners of the accounts. This is by no means of slander, or negatively attacking any members in this community.

The intention of this comment is to point out the fact that from the observation I made of some of the senior members on this forum, I find an instantaneous active and/or passive judgement nature towards free thoughts, or "freedom of discussion." from them.
Veiled under the notion of "seniority" or "this is how things should be."

There is a saying/proverb in my culture, but beforehand, I am sincerely apologetic for the derogatory nature/bluntness of this saying/proverb, I am only using this proverb as an example for better explanation of my comment. There is a saying that goes like this,
"A person who kills others with a 'borrowed' knife, will act like they didn't do it at all under the justification that the 'knife' is not theirs."

This is a proverb that applies to those who uses the justification of "Seniority" "Status" "Power of Authority" to extinguish anyone/any entities that questions their functions, values, beliefs, and/or perspective. Hence, creating a "closed" circle.

To question, is to seek, to seek is to move forward in one's journey towards the higher self. This should not be infringe by any "structurally rooted," "beliefs," "occult," and/or "ideology" that support one-self to simply silence "other-self" In attempt to maintain Status, Power, or Control.

With that being said, not all (naturally) are of this nature. It is only a concerning observation I have made from witnessing the many exchanges of "words" on bring4th.

As a closing statement, I hold no negative emotion, or any emotion at all towards negative polarize entities or any entities whatsoever, for I understand that the "oneness" exists in the duality of the positive and negative polarity.

But as much as one would like to mix Oil and Water, these two liquids will simply "separate" and "contrast" each others clearly between what is, and what is not.

My mission in this Incarnation is to brings an alignment with our planet, in the effort to maintain the light under any Law of Confusion/Attraction and/manipulation from Negative polarity.

For the light, and positive polarity does not harbor and/or clutches/clawing at one's "need" to...
- Gain Power, admiration, materials, illusion of grandeur.
- Controlling other-selves in an attempt of "good cause" in the sacrifice of the freewill in other-selves.
- Manipulation to diverge, hide, "uses" the Universal knowledge and Law of One as a "determining" factor/justification STS practices. (i.e. using Jesus of Nazareth's teaching as a way to make 'money') and or directing metaphysical/resources/wealth to be "specific" to "whom" it will service/provide.

- This planet has a lot of positive polarity manifested here by the effort of many, many sacrifices being made/making from Wanderers/Souls/Extraterrestrial beings. All for the effort to maintain a positively polarized social-memory-complex as a whole.

- BUT, during this transition, and "shift" Negatively polarize entities will not stand idly by to "lose" the "control" it has over the planetary sphere. Hence the sudden uprising of chaotic and "confusing" events happening across the globe.

- For those who are "back" to help maintain the balance of this "intended" struggle from the negative polarity existing on Earth. There are many attempts constantly being made to deviate any awakening Wanderers/Seekers towards "DEPENDENCY" of some sort of "guaranteed" "apocalypse" "harvest" "guide"
"leaders" "occult" to latch onto for the sake of "knowing."

Erwin Schrödinger comes to mind, and his experiment "Erwin Schrödinger's cat" for those who are interested.


I sincerely and with the utmost respect to apologize for the digression this comment has taken.

I appreciate those who have spend their time to read this, and made effort to comment and contribute to the discussion.

I would like to close this comment with saying that my mission holds no importance, and/or objectively merit in comparison with anyone on this forum or anyone at all that exist in this universe. We all have our own roles and choices to make, and in maintaining this, is the universal Law of One.

As always, with Love and with Light, may the light guides you, friends.

[Puya]

Please accept my apologies in advance if this message comes across as overbearing.  I'm typing it for the sake of clarity, not because I believe in fastidious rule following for its own sake, and I am certainly not imputing false motivation to anyone at all.

Nearly all of those posting on this thread are very new to these forums and are likely unaware of its intended organizational structure.  This forum is called "Strictly Law of One Material," and that means it was intended to host discussions of specific passages from the Ra Material, not individual explications of related ideas.  That kind of thing falls under a different forum.

In ages past, this site was actively moderated and this thread would have been moved to the appropriate area, but in latter days the moderators have abandoned the ship and the organizational structure has become somewhat chaotic.

Actually, this hasn't been such a terrible thing, but I would ask those participating here to please be respectful and post in areas according to the nature of their material.  Otherwise, people looking for specific types of material can't find it and things become more muddled.

One way forward here, for instance, could be for the originator of this thread to contact the moderators--if any are still viable entities upon this planetary sphere, i.e., not dead--and ask that this thread be relocated.

Thanks.
~moi

J.W. has already set out very good reasons why this thread should stay here which I would fully agree, but I am interested in why you only expressed the wish to postpone this thread and not the others to which your points of view would apply?

As J.W. has already mentioned:

"Nubian Pyramid uses"
"Similar books to the Ra material"
"Law of One vs. Edgar Cayce on Egypt"
"Sexual Energy Exchange"

[Navaratna]

I'll just say that if someone is very externally oriented and wants to change the world suddenly like they're on a mission after reading it then I don't think that they're interpreting it properly but but that's just my opinion. it's about oneness and the nature of your individual vibration it isn't about charging at people to change their minds. They even say in their videos on their YouTube channel that service to others means to help people achieve self-realization and that is done by practicing meditation. The other information like about pyramids is to aid meditation.

[Sacred Fool]

J.W. has already set out very good reasons why this thread should stay here which I would fully agree, but I am interested in why you only expressed the wish to postpone this thread and not the others to which your points of view would apply?

As J.W. has already mentioned:

"Nubian Pyramid uses"
"Similar books to the Ra material"
"Law of One vs. Edgar Cayce on Egypt"
"Sexual Energy Exchange"

Guilty!  Guilty!  Guilty!

I've been thinking about this topic for some time and the above post just slipped out at that particular moment...hence the opening apology.  Honestly, I think I should not have posted it here at all, but on the meta forum sub-forum. 

Maybe the lesson here is that when feel you have to begin a post with an apology, maybe you should wait a day or two before sending it out to the world for all eternity? There was no harm done, obviously, but by using this thread to complain about confusion on the website I managed to create more confusion.
  

[flofrog]

Lol, I think neither JW nor Peregrine should feel guilty

I am sure everyone posting is very cautious as to the thread subject.

True that there is today lots of digressions, but most always linked to the LOO . I really loved the depth of former conversations around the 2011 and 2012 years, and I miss those members, but it’s pretty fascinating to see the expanse of threads today.

It took me a few years to dare becoming a member... lol

[Puya]

Lol, I think neither JW nor Peregrine  should feel guilty

I am sure everyone posting is very cautious as to the thread subject.

True that there is today lots of digressions, but most always linked to the LOO .  I really loved the depth of former conversations around the 2011 and 2012 years, and I miss those members, but it’s pretty fascinating to see the expanse of threads today.

It took me a few years to dare becoming a member... lol

If anyone is guilty, everyone is!

And thanks for mentioning the old threads i never thought of rummaging through them, there is certainly a lot of valuable information

J.W. has already set out very good reasons why this thread should stay here which I would fully agree, but I am interested in why you only expressed the wish to postpone this thread and not the others to which your points of view would apply?

As J.W. has already mentioned:

"Nubian Pyramid uses"
"Similar books to the Ra material"
"Law of One vs. Edgar Cayce on Egypt"
"Sexual Energy Exchange"

Guilty!  Guilty!  Guilty!

I've been thinking about this topic for some time and the above post just slipped out at that particular moment...hence the opening apology.  Honestly, I think I should not have posted it here at all, but on the meta forum sub-forum. 

Maybe the lesson here is that when feel you have to begin a post with an apology, maybe you should wait a day or two before sending it out to the world for all eternity?  There was no harm done, obviously, but by using this thread to complain about confusion on the website I managed to create more confusion.
  

I noticed that if I or someone else in my environment complains about something, then it never has anything to do with the thing you are complaining about, even if it is only a tiny thing but always with yourself. Complaining is some very light form of anger i think and in reality the thing you complain about or you are angry about only triggers something in yourself that is not understood and / or accepted by yourself, so what you complain about would be a mirror of yourself.

I would really be interested in what you or others think of this thesis.

But yes that should really be in another sub-forum because it no longer belongs to the actual discussion or even the "Strictly Ra Material"
But I felt I had to say that

With love and light

[flofrog]

Lol, I think neither JW nor Peregrine  should feel guilty

I am sure everyone posting is very cautious as to the thread subject.

True that there is today lots of digressions, but most always linked to the LOO .  I really loved the depth of former conversations around the 2011 and 2012 years, and I miss those members, but it’s pretty fascinating to see the expanse of threads today.

It took me a few years to dare becoming a member... lol

If anyone is guilty, everyone is!

And thanks for mentioning the old threads i never thought of rummaging through them, there is certainly a lot of valuable information

J.W. has already set out very good reasons why this thread should stay here which I would fully agree, but I am interested in why you only expressed the wish to postpone this thread and not the others to which your points of view would apply?

As J.W. has already mentioned:

"Nubian Pyramid uses"
"Similar books to the Ra material"
"Law of One vs. Edgar Cayce on Egypt"
"Sexual Energy Exchange"

Guilty!  Guilty!  Guilty!

I've been thinking about this topic for some time and the above post just slipped out at that particular moment...hence the opening apology.  Honestly, I think I should not have posted it here at all, but on the meta forum sub-forum. 

Maybe the lesson here is that when feel you have to begin a post with an apology, maybe you should wait a day or two before sending it out to the world for all eternity?  There was no harm done, obviously, but by using this thread to complain about confusion on the website I managed to create more confusion.
  

I noticed that if I or someone else in my environment complains about something, then it never has anything to do with the thing you are complaining about, even if it is only a tiny thing but always with yourself. Complaining is some very light form of anger i think and in reality the thing you complain about or you are angry about only triggers something in yourself that is not understood and / or accepted by yourself, so what you complain about would be a mirror of yourself.

I would really be interested in what you or others think of this thesis.

But yes that should really be in another sub-forum because it no longer belongs to the actual discussion or even the "Strictly Ra Material"
But I felt I had to say that

With love and light

This is such a true insight, Puya, I practically never feel anger, and when I do it’s always between me and my hubby, and each time as I look deep into it, I realize my anger is directed at myself, not at him, for having put myself in that situation. Truly remarkably true. We all need to take time to forgive ourself, lol

[Diana]

I've been thinking about this topic for some time and the above post just slipped out at that particular moment...hence the opening apology.  Honestly, I think I should not have posted it here at all, but on the meta forum sub-forum. 

Maybe the lesson here is that when feel you have to begin a post with an apology, maybe you should wait a day or two before sending it out to the world for all eternity?  There was no harm done, obviously, but by using this thread to complain about confusion on the website I managed to create more confusion.
  

Your post was diplomatic and appropriate. I don't see that it should have created any confusion. I think you may have opened your post with an apology because it's difficult to get certain things across without offended someone, and my guess is you didn't want that to happen.

It is true that there is little moderation these days. I think they are shorthanded since Jade left. I know that a large part of the moderation process is done behind the scenes getting rid of spam and the like, so they may be too busy just taking care of that.

[Diana]

I noticed that if I or someone else in my environment complains about something, then it never has anything to do with the thing you are complaining about, even if it is only a tiny thing but always with yourself. Complaining is some very light form of anger i think and in reality the thing you complain about or you are angry about only triggers something in yourself that is not understood and / or accepted by yourself, so what you complain about would be a mirror of yourself.

I would really be interested in what you or others think of this thesis.

I agree with this for the most part. As Ra stated, everything here is catalyst. I think it is always a good thing to look at self rather than others for the source of conflict. Any time one takes offense at something is a great time to look within.

However, reminding everyone of the guidelines in a thread that isn't being moderated I don't see as complaining or anger. I think Peregrine was just attempting to keep this forum from being messy. And I think it's okay to bring such things up. I see it more as discernment and reponsibility than anger. As another example of this, I know someone who moderates the Facebook LOO Study Group, with something like 12,000 members. He is constantly trying to keep the discussions on track according to the "guidelines," otherwise it becomes a free-for-all that slides into everything BUT the LOO. There is nothing wrong with discussing anything—I do not agree with censorship—however, there are guidelines that one should respect when joining soomething someone else created.

[curio_city]

I enjoyed reading your post. This is my first post on this site, and I'm eager to have some discussion around the Law of One.

In full disclosure, I am oriented towards positive polarity, and have chosen this path during my awakening. In my journey, I was constantly preyed upon by STS entities and people to polarize towards their paths under the Law of Attraction/Confusion.

As far as the line above, I am reminded of a quote by Ra in 93.3: "[I]t is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet." I try to remember this whenever I believe I understand the polarity of another individual. I can look at the fruits of the labor of others and attempt to know whether the fruit is positive or negative, but I feel I can't truly know anything at all -- certainly not the polarity of others. This has been an important point for me in my seeking, as sometimes I have found myself at odds with others based on some certainty on my part of their polarity.

STS entities (humans included) will use solicitation for their "service." or "help." But since the nature of "selfishness" is not perceived as a positive thing on this Planet, they must cunningly hide it under the veil of "good services/services for others" and/or applying the Law of Confusion and Law of Attraction to their manipulation.

Example of this exist with Adolf Hitler, where he pursued others to follow his "vision" of "evolution" or "advancement" under the notion that all humans should fall under the Aryan race (master race).
The extreme radicalization from the group called ISIS also employ such tactics to "enforce" their beliefs and dream of a "unity" under rigidity and structure.

On the softer side of this STS polarity, there are those that "sees" themselves as "masters" in spirituality and becomes "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" whom all offers their experience on how to become "successful" ...but in exchange of monetary gain, you have to pay them.
In turns, this create a mentality for their "students" to act selfishly with their own success, and create a separation from themselves and other-selves where they view as "lower" human beings.

As far as Hitler, I believe he would be characterized as one of the "softer" cases of STS, though that may seem like a silly assertion. What I mean is that I don't think Hitler was strongly negatively polarized, as he seemed confused about the extent to which he was serving others. It seems that in order for strong "negative" polarity to occur, the individual must be aware to a great extent, and under little delusion, of the orientation of the service. In 35.4, Ra states, "Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green-ray key, canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated, thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing." This indicates to me that Hitler was not strongly polarized toward the negative, and his great confusion regarding his own motives could have been the culprit.

On that note, I think confusion about one's motives is not entirely uncommon. I've had some confusion about my own motives over time, and I have found that the motive I have declared to myself has not always been the truest one. As far as those who find themselves in positions as "gurus," "life coaches," "healers," and so on, I don't believe that monetary gain should be much of a factor at all when considering orientation. From 34.10, "The one known as Albert [Schweitzer], who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ." Here, Ra does not seem to discourage attainment of money, and it seems to be considered a resource. It seems that when it comes to money, attitude matters more than the thing itself -- like in many, if not all, cases.

I quickly was able to identify their manipulative nature and wants nothing to do with it, for there is no true freewill under STS, you are bound and shackle by your own temptation and greed.

Please Identify the ploy and tactics of STS if you do not want to be falling under any form of manipulation/confusion/ and ultimately relinquishing your freewill BY your own freewill.

They can't take your freewill away from you by force, but they can definitely make you give it up yourself.

These lines remind me of the general notion of a quote by Ra in 27.10: "[A]ll experience springs from the Law of Free Will or the Way of Confusion." According to Ra, the Way of Confusion, a.k.a. the Law of Confusion (3.14), is the Law of Free Will. It seems we are never without free will. Also, I feel the negative spin on the "Law of Attraction" may not be most useful. The Law of Attraction, really, could be seen as one's ability to synthesize all experiences. That which one creates is that which one attracts, which would be the case for all and not just for the "negative," I believe.


I am eager to read your thoughts on this.

[J.W.]

Hello to everyone that has been commenting,

I will keep this short, and concise in regards of the conversation between Peregrine and I. Please understand that there are no "conflicts" or "argument" between Peregrine and I.

In my reply to Peregrine, I even let them know that an apology was not necessary because there was no negative tone received. I was not offended by their comment.

The only thing that we had slight disagreements on was his "view" of the "relevancy" of my post/thread in relation with the Forum's title and it's content.

therefore I addressed and refuted this, and I also kindly letting him/her know that from my explanation, I don't see any irrelevancy as they have claimed, therefore I rejected their "instruction/directive" to "move forward" with actions I need to take for my thread.

This discussion between them and I is simply that, and I wholeheartedly believe it has been addressed.

I appreciate everyone's insight and comments in regards of "lessons" being learned through the exchange. This is very humbling and I am happy to see members of the community makes use of their personal observation and life experiences in a diligent and attentive manner.

[J.W.]

I'll just say that if someone is very externally oriented and wants to change the world suddenly like they're on a mission after reading it then I don't think that they're interpreting it properly but but that's just my opinion. it's about oneness and the nature of your individual vibration it isn't about charging at people to change their minds. They even say in their videos on their YouTube channel that service to others means to help people achieve self-realization and that is done by practicing meditation. The other information like about pyramids is to aid meditation.

Navaratna,

Thank you for your time and input, I agree with you to the extend of my understanding of what you have said. In relation to Ra's materials and L/L Research, it is correct that the information is not for and/or to be used as a tool to "change the world."

Similar to the general orientation and direction L/L Research has taken on their effort to share, and to brings awareness to the Law of One and Ra's materials, I have consistently also share and brings some information to others and left it to their discretion to choose for themselves.

Although, there are advice from me to take caution for the entities/people that uses spiritual teaching/knowledge for personal monetary gain. This is simply a caution and not a request for action for whoever read my post.

In the aspect of "missions" as you mentioned, I believe that is left for the person/soul that is/is not taking actions after reaching certain level of awakening or spiritual growth. The definition of mission could fall under as you have mentioned "looking into info about pyramids to aid meditation." To the self that is seeking this knowledge, it could be define as a "mission." to them,

but I wholeheartedly agree with you that if anyone uses Ra's materials or any spiritual knowledge to tell other-selves in a manner like "hey, choose STO or god will smite you!" or "hey! choose STS because you will be filthy rich and powerful!" This is in my opinion completely and fully infringing on one's "freewill" and using to Law of Attraction to manipulate.

Thank you for your light and time to contribute,

[J.W.]

Hello Curio_city, thank you for your time and light, I humbly thankful for the queries you have requested, and I will do my best to answer them without
infringing the freewill of one's perspective. Please keep in mind, the nature of your questions are complex, and to answer them, I must use my personal understanding and spiritual intuition from the polarity I have chosen. Therefore, I strongly advise you to find balance between agreement/disagreement to my vibration/word, for this is not to influence/direct but simply to share and to teach/learn & learn/teach.

I enjoyed reading your post. This is my first post on this site, and I'm eager to have some discussion around the Law of One.


- Thank you for your kind words, it is very welcome to receive your positive vibration from the bottom of my heart. Welcome! glad you could join the discussion.

As far as the line above, I am reminded of a quote by Ra in 93.3: "[I]t is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet." I try to remember this whenever I believe I understand the polarity of another individual. I can look at the fruits of the labor of others and attempt to know whether the fruit is positive or negative, but I feel I can't truly know anything at all -- certainly not the polarity of others. This has been an important point for me in my seeking, as sometimes I have found myself at odds with others based on some certainty on my part of their polarity.

- To answer this accurately, I must first attempt to fully understand you query as much as possible.
You are inquiring on how, or if it is even possible to truly "judge" someone's action as "good?" or "bad?"
For example using the War in Iraq/middle east to metaphorically answer your query.

Both sides fought for a cause that they believed in, as in, the Coalition soldiers is fighting for "freedom" and attempting to eliminate "people" that would use method-of-terror to spread their ideology.

At the same time, the Mujaheddin and Taliban etc. etc. views themselves as freedom fighters, and also are fighting for a "justifiable cause" for their culture, country, and people.

Both sides has put tremendous amount of sacrifices and suffering through their conflicts and bellicose nature.

If you have the ability to be on both sides and experience equally the "positive" and "negative" qualities from them. How can one decide who is "good?" or "bad?"

This is what Ra was trying to explain to Don in regards of it is quite "impossible" to "judge."

BUT just because it is "impossible" to "judge" this does not mean the polarities doesn't exist!
A simple way to explain this is by using the way we see "cultural practices" as an example. A "handshake" is seems to be a "respectable" gesture of greeting in some cultures, but in another culture, it is seen as disrespectful because the function of the hand might be used for something that is not hygienic and/or due to religious structure etc.etc. of that culture. This doesn't mean the "handshake" doesn't exist, it is strictly due to the interpretation and perspective of the souls/person receiving/giving the gesture.

The remedy to this dilemma is based within one's ability to first identify and truly understand the relationship between the Law of Confusion and one's Freewill. The moment you choose something, it becomes yours positive/negative, and the moment you doubt that decision, the Law of confusion starts to spins.

Using myself and my experience for example, I have chosen the polarity of STO (service to others) The Principles revolving such service or decision based on the nature of "giving" and "sharing" without any expectation or request for "compensation" and/or "returns." This is the very basic guidelines among many within the STO polarity.

So does STS (service to others) are clear on their Principles in their "services" must serve the purpose for personal gains, and/or in a manner of "funneling" the resources/freewill to one point like the job of a "Captain" in the military as we speak.

This is where spiritual entities in 3rd Density start to fall under the Law of Confusion as we are progressing through our spiritual growth to make our own choices.

Through my own experience, when I minimize the "Principles" of both sides and sees the true reflection of the Law of One existing in both natures/polarities. I would start to become compassionate towards both polarities due to my understanding of the "oneness" in all. This, in my own humble opinion, is a dangerous/hindrance for one's soul/energy that is still "young" and "naked" in a spiritual manner to "play" around with. Due to the ease of losing one's true freewill to any other entities/energy that would like to "prey" or "manipulate" them.

The spiritual mass and strength of knowing oneself must reach a certain point for the "love" and "understanding" nature for the Law of One, before venturing into the philosophy and "judgement" of other-selves.

Hence, "Know thyself."

Once the "choice" has been made by the Soul/entity, then the Veil of the Law of Confusion would be lifted, at the same time... The "illusion" and "bias" of the principles of that "choice" materialize in the soul/entity's Mind complex.

I hope this helps, my friend. Please feel free to question further if you feel necessary. I do not want to give information that are too much, or "skirt" around the borders on infringing the freewill of understanding of other-selves.

As far as Hitler, I believe he would be characterized as one of the "softer" cases of STS, though that may seem like a silly assertion. What I mean is that I don't think Hitler was strongly negatively polarized, as he seemed confused about the extent to which he was serving others. It seems that in order for strong "negative" polarity to occur, the individual must be aware to a great extent, and under little delusion, of the orientation of the service. In 35.4, Ra states, "Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green-ray key, canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated, thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing." This indicates to me that Hitler was not strongly polarized toward the negative, and his great confusion regarding his own motives could have been the culprit.

- To understand this, one must understand the "Principles" of the two polarities.

In a way, there are NO "good" or "bad" under the Law of One. Only the "Principles" that works as the driving force behind the polarities.

In example. Let's say there is a famine, and everyone's starving.

"To sacrifice the sickly and old, so others can survive." is a principle.

at the same time,

"To share with everyone, is to ration the resources/food equally with everyone, but that means you will be semi-starving."

These principles or "polarities" are presented almost everyone and in almost every forms possible on this planet and this density. You can look into the ideology/philosophy of Communism and Democracy. It is very apparent at the same time, since this exist almost in all aspect on this planet, it reinforce the "intent" and purposes of our current existent in the 3rd Density, which is the Density of "choices"

"This entity was basically negative." This is basically Adolf Hitler. He is actually a very good example of a soul/energy that has fallen under the Law of Confusion in an extreme manner. The entity thinks that.. for the greater good of mankind, there must be a "master race" and "enslavement" of others. In a way, this is a correct method to advance the entire planet and the Human race into a singular agenda/direction with little to no resistance.

But, the process requires tremendous amount of suffering to other-selves. In the eye of Adolf Hitler, this was "confusing" to understand as in.. it is not a good thing. Simply, by understanding the fact that, other-selves are the self, would have helped Hitler see his "actions" in it's fundamental nature caused a separation between other-selves and self. Hence, disrupting the true nature of the Law of One.

This is the source of the confusion, and as I have stated, It is (dangerous) to the "self" if the spirit is not strong enough or obtain adequate spiritual mass to have the wisdom to lift the veil of The Law of Confusion.

I hope this is helpful to your understanding, friend.

On that note, I think confusion about one's motives is not entirely uncommon. I've had some confusion about my own motives over time, and I have found that the motive I have declared to myself has not always been the truest one. As far as those who find themselves in positions as "gurus," "life coaches," "healers," and so on, I don't believe that monetary gain should be much of a factor at all when considering orientation. From 34.10, "The one known as Albert [Schweitzer], who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ." Here, Ra does not seem to discourage attainment of money, and it seems to be considered a resource. It seems that when it comes to money, attitude matters more than the thing itself -- like in many, if not all, cases.

- You are correct that "money" in it self has no meaning or carries any definitive "good" or "bad" nature. To simply explain this. The purpose isn't to "judge" but to "identify"... Please keep in mind that "Judging" and "Identifying" although might share similar characteristic, but are hugely different.

Once a soul/energy has truly chosen a polarity to walk with. The "Principles" automatically becomes are apparent. In example, if an soul/entity chooses the STS path, then the "healing" "guidance" and any "services" for other-selves must be return for the exchange of "effort" put in by this entity/soul. You can see this in examples of people that goes into the field of medicine, "some" do their practices with free-of-charge to their patients, or only requires the minimum amount compensation for the "resources."

Other physicians would see that their energy/money and hardship in obtaining the degree must be "rewarded" and follows the path of making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Examples and teaching/learning of this can goes on for "eternity." But lets avoid that if it is not necessary.

To simply put,

The path you choose lays between on how much you care about "other-selves." and how you "see" "other-selves" as "self."

I hope this resonate in someway, for I am slightly concern there might be misinterpretation of "good" and "bad" under strictly from the perspective of "monetary."

The comment that I can provide from a bias stand-point of the positive polarity, is that since we are so used to the existent of "money" in our society through the history of mankind, it has become the symbol of "exchange" of services-to-others/to-self due to the convenience/and simple nature that reside in the value of a piece of paper, and/or "numbers."

The nature of a social-memory-complex that exist under positive polarity have an example like this.
**I see my fellow man needs of shelter, food, and comfort, therefore I share with them without expectation of 'exchange/barter.' At the same time, the only expectation is that the man I help sees the same "principles" and thus provide/share/nurture others as the service they have received.

There is no money involve, to further simplify this, you basically can walk down the street ask for food, and you get food, ask for medical assistance, and receive medical assistance without the needs to "pay" for any of the services. At the same time relinquishing the selfish intention to "possess" or "hoard" materials/resources for oneself, and also realizing that the service you can give to other-self is equally as important to the services you have just received.

In this social-memory-complex, all entities understands that everyone is important and we all must work together and care about each others to progress and move forward, therefore eliminating any selfish nature like "laziness" or "I'll just let the other-selves do the work."

I hope this helps, of course, there are much more in depth for the understanding/perspective above, but this is something I do not feel comfortable sharing due to the infringement of freewill on understanding could be effected. I can use different examples or metaphor to explain if it is necessary.

These lines remind me of the general notion of a quote by Ra in 27.10: "[A]ll experience springs from the Law of Free Will or the Way of Confusion." According to Ra, the Way of Confusion, a.k.a. the Law of Confusion (3.14), is the Law of Free Will. It seems we are never without free will. Also, I feel the negative spin on the "Law of Attraction" may not be most useful. The Law of Attraction, really, could be seen as one's ability to synthesize all experiences. That which one creates is that which one attracts, which would be the case for all and not just for the "negative," I believe.

- Confusion, Freewill, Attraction in a sense.. are all products of the "Oneness." To apply the perspective and/or understanding to the materials requires oneself to look within and grasp the spiritual development/growth of one's spirit.

To simplify this, STO's attraction could exist in a way of lets say, a planet that focuses on Love, Peace, and Harmony. There are no separation, wars, trickery, poverty, and violence from ourselves to ourselves. We exist in a state of serenity and understanding other-selves.

This might not be attractive to souls/entities of bellicose nature and would like to be stimulated by "excitement" or "violence" and conflicts. In old Rome, the citizens pays to see human slaughtering each others in the Coliseum for their "entertainment." and defend it's nature as a "glorified" honor in the spirit of "fighting, and primal instinct of surviving." Hence, glamorize and adores those who are "champions" because they are in a sense "godly."

STS's attraction could exist in a way of lets say, if you work hard enough, you can obtain anything that exist on the planet, as in comfort, beautiful women/men that provide you sexual desire until you are satisfy, excitement in the entertainment industry beyond your wildest imagination, the power to control other-selves to the point of even sacrificing themselves for you. The power you can obtain that truly put you on the same level as "god."

This might be very attractive to those who are driven in the nature to become Strong, Powerful, and Godly.

Whats the difference? in a way, nothing. Everything is connected, and everything is one.

The choices is yours.

The only true difference on this current planetary we call "Earth" is that, itself is striving for a positive polarity. And the entities of both Positive and Negative are making strong and strategic efforts to influence or "help" their "Principles" towards their personal "choices."

An example to this is similar to what I described above about the Iraq/Afghanistan War, If you were a soldier for one side and not the other, are you the "baddies."?

Once again, the choices.

I would like to take a step back from this reply, and again advise whom ever reading to truly understand the gravity of understanding the truth in it's entirety and clearly before making "judgement."

This goes back all the way to the origin of my intention and message. "Identify" so you can make the choice solely from your own true freewill.

Because like Ra has mentioned, those who reaches higher and higher density following the path of STS eventually realizes that we are all the same, and flip their polarity before assimilating, "returning" to the One Infinite Creator.


I hope the information I provide may resonate with you and aid you on your Journey,

May the Light guides you, as always, with Love and with Light, friends.

[happy tears]

J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

[curio_city]

J.W., thanks for your response. I get the sense that you really love the path you're on, and I think that's great. Regarding my initial message in this thread, it wasn't a query so much as an invitation to discuss some topics. I will continue the discussion here in case there's any interest.

My earlier statement:

As far as the line above, I am reminded of a quote by Ra in 93.3: "[I]t is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet." I try to remember this whenever I believe I understand the polarity of another individual. I can look at the fruits of the labor of others and attempt to know whether the fruit is positive or negative, but I feel I can't truly know anything at all -- certainly not the polarity of others. This has been an important point for me in my seeking, as sometimes I have found myself at odds with others based on some certainty on my part of their polarity.

What I'm stating is that it is not possible to judge, or even to identify, the true polarity of an individual or an action. Things like polarity percentages are simply a construct given that we can understand. Ra consistently refused to judge polarities, insisting instead that it should be left up to the discernment of each individual. I bring this up because I believe it's a very important point -- especially for seekers.

There seems to exist a judgement culture within the seeking community, a culture that seems to condone judgement of others and their actions. When you state, "'Judging' and 'Identifying' although might share similar characteristic, but are hugely different," I disagree with that, and I don't know that an insistence on such a strong distinction between the two is most useful for a seeker. This brings to mind Ra's statement on protection available to Wanderers (16.59):

I am Ra. As we have said before, Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex. There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding.
Furthermore, the Wanderer is, in its own mind/body/spirit complex, less distorted towards the, shall we say, deviousness of third-density positive/negative confusions. Thus, it often does not recognize as easily as a more negative individual the negative nature of thoughts or beings.

This statement from Ra has really resonated with me. I feel it clarifies that even Wanderers are susceptible and that the "armor of light" that may aid in discernment is "not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding." I consider this sometimes whenever I feel I am even able to identify the polarity of any self's actions. Something else that resonates with me is the understanding that this third density existence is an illusion and nothing can be known. My thinking that I can identify the polarity of any action may simply get in the way of my advancement, as it's the intuition that proves the more valuable guide than the intellect. Further, Ra's statement suggests to me that if ever I presume negativity on the part of others, I should consider whether negativity on my own part is coloring my interpretation.

How this can be put into practice is this: whenever I feel I know the polarity of another or another's actions, I consider that I cannot truly know. I can guard my own polarity with my armor of light, while also recognizing that my armor is nothing more than some biases and cannot be considered an understanding. As Ra also clarified at one point (16.39):

I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

This statement from Ra, with other ponderings, has opened me up to questioning all my own intentions. This openness to questioning has been very helpful for me in my seeking. Taking, for instance, even this response to you. I question my motives behind it. While I hope that it provides some clarity to others and to myself, I must wonder if any of my drives are self-serving; I must consider if I am pursuing a discussion simply because I enjoy being correct; I must consider if my display of fluency on these topics is in some attempt to appease my own vanity.

I believe the nature of polarity is so nuanced that even when one decides upon "STS" or "STO," a careful seeker will leave ample room for questioning of one's own motives. In fact, the more advanced one becomes, the more appropriately advanced will become the challenges. We look at civilizations like Atlantis and, at least in this community, may be aware of some manner of decline that entailed enslavement of others and possibly even cannibalism. We may be quick to impose our current mores on them and feel we never would resort to their vices; however, I believe such a judgement would be careless and even a little naive. The individuals of Atlantis are told to have achieved a level of advancement that, as far as I can tell, is completely foreign to us here. I would suggest that they encountered challenges of discernment that were appropriate for them, and that the level of their supposed negativity may have had a corresponding opposite polarity far beyond what we have achieved.

Reading Hayek, I have come across a very compelling viewpoint that Nazi Germany was made possible, slowly but surely, by socialist agendas -- many of the same that grip my nation and the world today. It's very interesting to me how these ideologies take hold over long periods of time. There are many individuals today who may choose paths thinking that they are doing the most benevolent acts, when actually they are setting the stage for chaos and despair. Similarly, there are many whose discernment in seeking may lead them astray, regardless of how advanced they are or claim to be. This reminds me of a long section in session 80 that concerns adepts:

80.8 Questioner: I am sorry for my lack of penetration of these mechanisms and I apologize for some rather stupid questions, but I think we have here a point that is somewhat central to what we are presently attempting to understand, so even though my next questions may be almost unacceptably stupid, I will attempt to try to understand what this power that our visitor seeks is and how he uses it. For it seems to me that this is central to the mind and the evolution of it in which we are involved.
As this entity that is our visitor increases his power through these works, what is the power that he increases? Can you describe it?

Ra: I am Ra. The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator.
The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.

80.10 Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.
It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

These statements from Ra hold so much meaning, and I would suggest that seekers and would-be-adepts consider them carefully. It seems particularly cautionary when Ra states, "Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery." I believe this to be a message that concerns adepts specifically, as they should be aware that their grasping may be nothing more than "groping in the moonlight."

I concede that my opinions on this may influence others, and I'm okay with that. What I am less okay with is proposing to others what the polarity of their actions is. I think striving for "100% STO" in this density at this time is not practicable. I think considering polarities in terms of percentages can be nothing more than a bane. I think when it comes to decisions like whether to accept money for services offered, which the question from happy tears concerns ("How does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?"), it can be left exclusively to one's own discernment. And I suggest taking this viewpoint to the extreme, to the extent that the polarity of even some violence is debatable.

Again, no queries here. Just an invitation to discuss some topics. Thanks, fellow seekers!

[J.W.]

J.W., thanks for your response. I get the sense that you really love the path you're on, and I think that's great. Regarding my initial message in this thread, it wasn't a query so much as an invitation to discuss some topics. I will continue the discussion here in case there's any interest.

- You are very welcome my friend, and I do share a balance of emotional and logical positive body/mind/spiritual sense from illuminating the path. (no puns intended)

I do apologize for the method I used to discuss, the nature of the thread doesn't allow us to have a face to face communication, and with English not being my native language, sometimes my grammar and communication lacks clarity in it's own projection. My apology, and I do appreciate your patience and correction.


As far as the line above, I am reminded of a quote by Ra in 93.3: "[I]t is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet." I try to remember this whenever I believe I understand the polarity of another individual. I can look at the fruits of the labor of others and attempt to know whether the fruit is positive or negative, but I feel I can't truly know anything at all -- certainly not the polarity of others. This has been an important point for me in my seeking, as sometimes I have found myself at odds with others based on some certainty on my part of their polarity.

What I'm stating is that it is not possible to judge, or even to identify, the true polarity of an individual or an action. Things like polarity percentages are simply a construct given that we can understand. Ra consistently refused to judge polarities, insisting instead that it should be left up to the discernment of each individual. I bring this up because I believe it's a very important point -- especially for seekers.

There seems to exist a judgement culture within the seeking community, a culture that seems to condone judgement of others and their actions. When you state,  "'Judging' and 'Identifying' although might share similar characteristic, but are hugely different," I disagree with that, and I don't know that an insistence on such a strong distinction between the two is most useful for a seeker. This brings to mind Ra's statement on protection available to Wanderers (16.59):

- The logical and clarity behind the "judging" and "identifying" or even whatever side you decide to stand on, for example I said there is a difference, and you don't, this in itself is somewhat of a paradox of "duality."

The percentage Ra used was to create a palpable understanding for the mind/body complex we currently operating, the "percentages" also serve as a philosophy or understanding in words. (51% STO) Means more than half of the times, you do things because you want to help others, and not to gain anything.

(95% STS) Means almost all of your interaction/actions with other-selves is to serve or use other-selves to benefit yourself one way another.

This doesn't have a definite "number" or "percentage" and you are correct, but it serves as an image to reflect your "actions" in your incarnation.

I am Ra. As we have said before, Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex. There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding.
Furthermore, the Wanderer is, in its own mind/body/spirit complex, less distorted towards the, shall we say, deviousness of third-density positive/negative confusions. Thus, it often does not recognize as easily as a more negative individual the negative nature of thoughts or beings.

This statement from Ra has really resonated with me. I feel it clarifies that even Wanderers are susceptible and that the "armor of light" that may aid in discernment is "not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding." I consider this sometimes whenever I feel I am even able to identify the polarity of any self's actions. Something else that resonates with me is the understanding that this third density existence is an illusion and nothing can be known. My thinking that I can identify the polarity of any action may simply get in the way of my advancement, as it's the intuition that proves the more valuable guide than the intellect. Further, Ra's statement suggests to me that if ever I presume negativity on the part of others, I should consider whether negativity on my own part is coloring my interpretation.

How this can be put into practice is this: whenever I feel I know the polarity of another or another's actions, I consider that I cannot truly know. I can guard my own polarity with my armor of light, while also recognizing that my armor is nothing more than some biases and cannot be considered an understanding. As Ra also clarified at one point (16.39):



- So, to further add to what I said about this, and you re-iterating it into your own understanding and perspective. The "Armor" and "biases" comes from the principles of the side you choose. To simply put, and to serve as an example.

A Cop will try to help, because that's his Job and Value.
A Criminal will steal and deceive to gain wealth.

(this is only an example and has nothing to do with our current political feud, or even the ideas of Cops/Criminal, I am only using to this to further explain the biases.)

I also have stated, once you choose a side, "The veil of confusion of what is positive and/or negative will be lifted, at the same time the Illusion of bias will do it's things."

Your Armor blocks bullets, not swords. etc. etc. It is serving you as intended for the opposite force that isn't what you chosen.


I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

This statement from Ra, with other ponderings, has opened me up to questioning all my own intentions. This openness to questioning has been very helpful for me in my seeking. Taking, for instance, even this response to you. I question my motives behind it. While I hope that it provides some clarity to others and to myself, I must wonder if any of my drives are self-serving; I must consider if I am pursuing a discussion simply because I enjoy being correct; I must consider if my display of fluency on these topics is in some attempt to appease my own vanity.

I believe the nature of polarity is so nuanced that even when one decides upon "STS" or "STO," a careful seeker will leave ample room for questioning of one's own motives. In fact, the more advanced one becomes, the more appropriately advanced will become the challenges. We look at civilizations like Atlantis and, at least in this community, may be aware of some manner of decline that entailed enslavement of others and possibly even cannibalism. We may be quick to impose our current mores on them and feel we never would resort to their vices; however, I believe such a judgement would be careless and even a little naive. The individuals of Atlantis are told to have achieved a level of advancement that, as far as I can tell, is completely foreign to us here. I would suggest that they encountered challenges of discernment that were appropriate for them, and that the level of their supposed negativity may have had a corresponding opposite polarity far beyond what we have achieved.

Reading Hayek, I have come across a very compelling viewpoint that Nazi Germany was made possible, slowly but surely, by socialist agendas -- many of the same that grip my nation and the world today. It's very interesting to me how these ideologies take hold over long periods of time. There are many individuals today who may choose paths thinking that they are doing the most benevolent acts, when actually they are setting the stage for chaos and despair. Similarly, there are many whose discernment in seeking may lead them astray, regardless of how advanced they are or claim to be. This reminds me of a long section in session 80 that concerns adepts

- To say "I know exactly what it is." In a way is correct and incorrect at the same time. The concept of understand, first comes from the self. The following action and "domino" effect of one's action is part of the "catalyst" to one's understanding.

To "misunderstand" "confused" and "mess up" are all just "perspective" and "judgement" and "identification" from the observer. The "situation" or "coincidences" in itself serves many purposes than just for the "understanding" of those that are "involved."

I understand my previous post came off as "Q&A" but I would suggest you re-visiting it (at your convenience) to further dissect the "danger/hindrance" of energy/souls that are "awakening" and could be susceptible in being caught up with confusion and the maelstrom of ... "Wait, so what's good and whats bad? Wait, this action is selfish or not?" "Hold up, if this action was to help the greater number or betterment of mankind, then.. its not bad, right?"

I used Adolf Hitler as an example of such entity who was caught up in where he "went" wrong in choosing the polarity and now requires extensive "healing" and "revaluation of it's action during it's incarnation." So it could be free from the confusion.


80.8 Questioner: I am sorry for my lack of penetration of these mechanisms and I apologize for some rather stupid questions, but I think we have here a point that is somewhat central to what we are presently attempting to understand, so even though my next questions may be almost unacceptably stupid, I will attempt to try to understand what this power that our visitor seeks is and how he uses it. For it seems to me that this is central to the mind and the evolution of it in which we are involved.
As this entity that is our visitor increases his power through these works, what is the power that he increases? Can you describe it?

Ra: I am Ra. The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator.
The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.

80.10 Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.
It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

These statements from Ra hold so much meaning, and I would suggest that seekers and would-be-adepts consider them carefully. It seems particularly cautionary when Ra states, "Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery." I believe this to be a message that concerns adepts specifically, as they should be aware that their grasping may be nothing more than "groping in the moonlight."

I concede that my opinions on this may influence others, and I'm okay with that. What I am less okay with is proposing to others what the polarity of their actions is. I think striving for "100% STO" in this density at this time is not practicable. I think considering polarities in terms of percentages can be nothing more than a bane. I think when it comes to decisions like whether to accept money for services offered, which the question from happy tears concerns ("How does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?"), it can be left exclusively to one's own discernment. And I suggest taking this viewpoint to the extreme, to the extent that the polarity of even some violence is debatable.

Again, no queries here. Just an invitation to discuss some topics. Thanks, fellow seekers!

- The influence and direction of the post are neutral as in the information of both side, The bias of the direction and my influence is... Bias, I have apologized about this, but I apologize to the fact that my choices of vibration/word is bias from the "principles" and choices of positive polarity,

There are also clear "disclosure" and "letting you know" that your choices on how you perceive the information as in "resonance" and/or "perception" are all based on you and you alone. No one can "tells" you other than yourself to give your freewill to decide.


I really enjoyed our exchange and the points you have made/contributed.

I believe that you are hung up on whether "yours", and/or "others"

-Choices
-Perspective
-Influence
-Speech
-Words
-Bias
-Judgement on self/others

are all in a way... "pointless" because the experience that the "self" in "itself" is bias. This falls under an almost "infinitely" subjective/objective discussion, and exactly what "philosophy" is all about, I sense with my intuition that you are a student and has a strong orientation to the disciplinary study of "philosophy."

I love Philosophy, and are very entertained with the nature of it, it is like playing badminton, or table tennis, or tennis!

The ball/subject will be in a constant motion of being bounced back and forth. It is fun, but be weary of the "paradox" and "loop" that it creates, it has been a pleasure, fellow Wanderer/seeker/light.

With this, all I can say is that, as always, with love and with light my friend, and may the light guides you on your journey.

[J.W.]

J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

[Ymarsakar]

J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

Hello, seeker. Like most things in this density, it is a mixture of things that benefit the self and things that benefit others. The new quantum financial system, addressed by Ytube channels such as EldoRa or Laura Eisenhower ( grand daughter of the US Prez) addresses how resources are allocated at a better level.

If you can charge for services, your astro fate allows it. If your astro fate does not allow it, you will be diverged from it. The particular road signs you will see will be personal to you.