why is everyone promoting meditation?

[dexter101]

https://reasonsforjesus.com/new-study-fi...dangerous/

this might not be the best site but it has studies linked.its good content. just the fact that meditation is a multi-billion dollar industries and promoted by ceos and such should make one question it.

i wonder how many people actually experience these negative side effects but just keep going because they are told it's simply "the dark knight of the soul" or something. those people end up with psychosis or worse. id recommend reading the studies. it will open your eyes.

i do believe meditation is good but only for the most hardcore spiritual seekers who are born for it. not everyone can do it.just like not everyone can play soccer or whatever it may be. i honestly think its wrong to promote this to everyone. some psychiatric hospital have actually banned meditation because of the destabilizing effects. i know people are gonna say its all a conspiracy to keep us locked in the matrix but just look at the facts here , please.
and i know people here have probably had bad experiences with meditation too but most are to afraid to say something and go against the grain.

for lazy people here is a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sbs0YOGk8

you might want to consider reading this too for an updated view on the whole spirituality movement:

https://isgp-studies.com/fingerprints-of-graham-hancock

https://isgp-studies.com/psychedelics-and-elites

[LukeM7]

Well there's gonna be negative side effects to any activity, really. I'd say that one's internal balance may play a large role in how one reacts to activities such as meditation, but I'm not an expert so I don't know for sure.

[Diana]

There are those who latch onto any trend. This is one reason why I like the saying, "Everything popular is wrong." But it's not that the thing itself is "wrong," or not useful, it's the energy of popularity and people just following trends because they're trends that taints the activity or subject.

Staying outside of the popular media is best in my opinion. Who cares what the trendy people are doing, or the followers? Just do what you are attracted to doing, without reference to trends, popular media, religions, philosophies, or any other authority but self.

[Spaced]

I don't think meditation is for everyone, but if you are a seeker on a spiritual path it is definitely a useful tool.

Most of the dangers listed seem to be related to the bringing to the surface of past traumas or an emotional reaction to loss of control (loosening of the ego's grip). These are things that must be faced at some point if you are serious about spiritual growth, but at the same time many people aren't ready to face those things right now and that's fine. We have many lifetimes to figure this stuff out. I think it's most important to develop some balance in your personality and a firm grounding in reality before getting too deep into this stuff.

I've had plenty of experiences in meditation that have brought up some really nasty things, but through the contemplation and integration of those aspects of myself I have been able to grow so I am thankful for them. I can see how if someone is already slightly off balance they could be thrown for a loop by this sort of thing, but I think that this danger is overstated in articles like this. Also I think the whole Christian idea that meditation will open you up to demonic possession is mostly bullcrap, but is also insidious in that it plants a seed of fear that actually could be exploited by nasty parasitic entities if it takes root.

The fact that there's a billion dollar industry around meditation doesn't raise red flags for me in regards to the practice itself, it's just the nature of the beast. People in our society are desperate for ways to connect to a sense of purpose or to deal with the stress, etc. and others are always ready to prey upon or capitalize upon that kind of desperation. Meditation has been around long before money and will be around long after. The fact that there can be such a big industry around the practice of sitting down and monitoring your thoughts is funny if anything.

I notice a lot of the anecdotal stories about the danger of meditation involve week long retreats, and I think that makes sense. Living most of your life at the frantic pace of modern life and then forcing yourself to slow down dramatically for a whole week is like switching from fifth gear to first gear. There's a danger you might burn out your engine. Just take things slow and go at your own pace in my opinion.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

[Green_One]

Yeah I don't believe it's for everyone either..... I know meditation for me  has brought more confusion in my life on how to move forward in my life more than anything.... hence why I don't do it anymore

I had better luck getting clarity by just following my heart and doing shrooms every so often.

I think for some folks mediation is perfect for them... for others like myself with more "fixed" astrological placements we need the intense experiences doing entheogens brings in order to really gain understanding of the why's/answers to existence and our purpose.....

[AnthroHeart]

While not the purpose of meditation, after 19 years of it I can do this:

[sillypumpkins]

while i find that reasonsforjesus article to be extremely fear-based and confused, it's true that for some meditation can reveal parts of oneself to an individual, and for some that can be unbearable and thus manifest as long-term health issues...

[Navaratna]

I am amazed sometimes when people actually suggest that you could hurt yourself by taking deep breaths and lowering your stress level.

There are plenty of articles detailing how meditation overt weeks and months amplifies the amount of gray brain tissue in multiple areas of the brain like prefrontal cortex and hippocampus while inhibiting the amygdala which is the stress/fear center of the brain.

Of course Christians would want you to just pray to their pastor or invisible all pervading god that must be worshipped even though this non-physical god has a name meaning he is in a way a physical sound vibration...trying to tell Christians that their god shouldn't have a name if he is truly non-physical the bible should be replaced by a blank space ____ wherever the name "god" is should be the real way it's read. Try bringing up this idea to a Christian and watch them not know what to say.

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah, God's name is in Hebrew YHWH or YHVH.

I wonder if this is where they got Yahweh from. It's the Tetragrammaton the 4-letter name of God. It actually doesn't have a pronounciation as far as I know.

[mayojojo]

Meditation is useful for everyone. Period.

But is meditation for everyone? Thats like asking, will everyone like meditation? The answer is no, because like exercise, it can be painful when we work on ourselves.

So in my opinion.. to say “ meditation will not help me” is a weird statement. I think the more correct statement would be “meditation makes me feel uncomfortable and i dont like it”

[Ray711]

Your post felt very condescending when reading it. It felt like it carried the implied assumption that most people who meditate are children who just don't know any better, engaging in something dangerous.

Like Spaced said above, meditation causes things bottled up in the subconscious to pop up to the surface. In some instances while meditating, I've felt intense rage and frustration, even feeling my face involuntary adopt an expression of anger without me consciously meaning to do so at all. Under certain beliefs, I imagine this would be labeled "demonic possession". However, I see such emotional states as a part of myself, and so I treat them as such. I knew the anger and the frustration were mine and no one else's. In that sense, these particular experiences weren't pleasant, but there was value in them to me, in that they were directing me to an area where work was needed.

Overall, meditation to me has been a tool of faith, of relaxation, and of exploration of both the self and the nature of reality, having brought some very interesting insights to me. There are also plenty of experiences that we can read, of people feeling pure bliss and joy while meditating, not to mention more mystical and powerful states.

I assume it's true that some people have harmful experiences with meditation. There are potential risks depending on many factors. Each person is a universe of its own, and so, I don't feel I can generalize one way or the other. Ra themselves said that facing the self can be dangerous. But at the same time, there is danger too in refusing to meditate, or more generally, in refusing to explore the self. It is when we reject, cast out and label "demonic" those things that very much belong to the self, when we may be giving more power, not less, to these so-called "demons".

[Black Dragon]

I think this is a pretty half-baked notion and theory, based around a tiny grain of truth taken out of context. Just sitting and thinking and being introspective, not even meditating, can cause people's s*** to come to the surface and make them feel really bad, but that's the nature of dealing with negative emotions and subconscious beliefs and all that. As much as people try to live lives of continual distraction to avoid looking at those things, and can seem healthy on the surface, problems are problems whether one faces them or not. Meditation and introspection don't create problems where there were none before, let's put it that way. Stuff that's repressed comes up to the surface.

That being said, I think the gym/physical workout analogy is probably the best way to understand it. Working out, in general, is good for you. In practice, there can be side effects that are negative, due to mistakes in the approach of the practice. Working out too much/too often, using improper technique or form(with meditation that would be more subjective, using a method or technique that doesn't work for you personally), or overloading too much weight for where you're at are all ways one can experience negative side effects of exercise.

Likewise, using a technique that doesn't personally work for someone, meditating too often, being ungrounded, and other imbalances can have less than optimal, or even negative side effects. Even when one is doing it correctly, it can sometimes bring up issues that one has repressed and isn't quite willing to face, and it can be uncomfortable, but that's just the discomfort of acknowledging a problem, not meditation creating and issue where there wasn't one already.

As for the point of meditation being promoted by people for financial gain...what isn't? You have to pay for a gym membership unless you work out at home, or for someone's time if you need to be instructed. On the flip side, there are also a bunch of charlatans ripping you off with their crappy products and shortcut methods that don't work or even have negative effects. In this world, everything is turned into a business and there will always be charlatans. That doesn't mean meditation itself is bullshit, any more than exercise and diet are bullshit, even though there's always trying to push those things for money. Just because everyone's trying to sell you a high-tech mattress, does that mean sleep is bullshit too? I just don't see the logic in that argument.

As for anyone saying "demons will posses you" through simple meditation, is completely full of s*** and most likely a bible thumper/extreme "Christian", and anyone interested in the Law of One knows that forms of religion like that are not only ignorant, but compromised by the deceit and propaganda of dark forces/space pirates.

A final point, that really angers me. Apparently some psychiatric hospitals have banned meditation? I'm not surprised, and as somebody who has myself and has family that has been exploited by the pharmaceutical industry/America's failing and corrupt mental health care system, its quite obvious to me why they would ban meditation. They want to sell you drugs, and to do this, they can't have you believing that you have the power to work on yourself cognitively/psychologically/spiritually. They want to push the idea you are nothing more than a walking chemical distillery that's malfunctioning because it needs their drugs.

So yeah, I get that people can have some subjectively bad experiences with meditation. I can have a subjectively bad experience with a kitchen knife because I'm not careful, but does that mean I'm going to refuse to cut my food?

[Ray711]

A final point, that really angers me. Apparently some psychiatric hospitals have banned meditation? I'm not surprised, and as somebody who has myself and has family that has been exploited by the pharmaceutical industry/America's failing and corrupt mental health care system, its quite obvious to me why they would ban meditation. They want to sell you drugs, and to do this, they can't have you believing that you have the power to work on yourself cognitively/psychologically/spiritually. They want to push the idea you are nothing more than a walking chemical distillery that's malfunctioning because it needs their drugs.

This is a hot button to me too, even more so in psychiatry, where they push the notion that someone needs to take medication to make their (say) depression manageable in order to go back to being a functioning, well-adapted member of society. The catalyst that brought about the depression is masked, what is treated is the symptom rather than the root of the problem, and what angers me even more is the notion of measuring a person's mental health by its level of adaptation to a society that is, itself, sick and insane. Many cases of so-called personality disorders, at the end of the day, are nothing more than the best option that someone's mind has found to deal with the insanity around us.

I did an internship for psychology a few years back, and the psychologists in that center touted medication as the go-to treatment for the first signs of depression or so-called mental illness. When I pointed out that the content of a patient's hallucinations seemed to be connected with self-esteem issues, I was pretty much ridiculed and called "non-scientific". On another instance, even when citing a scientific study that pointed out that antisocial personalities can feel empathy for others if they are motivated to do it, this too was dismissed and considered of no importance whatsoever, under the justification that "psychopaths are never going to have an incentive to feel empathy".

This fascination with putting people in boxes, limiting their choices and tools of healing, simplifying and reducing human nature to the most sterile of notions... I understand that confusion is the name of the game in this density, but this really angers me sometimes.

[Jim Kent +]

My life, in many respects, has been ruined by a rash and grossly over-simplistic diagnosis of psychosis...

In the beginning of 2001, I contacted Intelligent Infinity through my Indigo-Ray Chakra, saw atomic-structure and a place where ( what I assume is ) my Higher-Self was next to my physical self and was channeling my head off...

Living with my pensioner devout Catholic mother, was perhaps the primary mistake I made, but she got scared and called in the docs...

The following day I was taken by the Police to my local psychiatric hospital, incarcerated for 28 days and forcibly drugged with a substance that I remain addicted to today. In "sectioning me", I lost my legal right to determine my own brain-chemistry, and I have to take measures to reclaim it, and deal with the stress, anxiety and depression that their "help" has caused.

I tried to disclose my visions/OBEs but the shrink assumes all such experience is psychosis and she would not listen to a single word of description about them or indeed my experience of channeling. 

You're pissed off - how do you think I feel!   

[Ray711]

I'm sorry you've had to experience that, Jim. It must have been very painful and frustrating. Your experience reminds me of these words from the Ra material:

At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.

The center where I did my internship was a non-profit, working with government funds, and so they had to justify everything they spent their money on. As such, only the methods that have the most scientific support behind them were considered and put to use. I can understand this to a point, but when genuine scientific inquiry turns into the dogma that fanatically believes in the notion that, as Black Dragon said, we are nothing more than walking chemical distilleries, that is when the destructive behaviors that lead to experiences such as yours occur.

I remember recently making a Google search for Swedenborg, who had some interesting experiences which led him to speak about things often times very much in line with the Ra material, and one of the websites that popped up spoke about his experiences as if they were undeniably the result of psychosis, too. Therefore, of no value whatsoever.

I don't know what it's going to take, or what it could take for these tendency of our society to change. I just wish things were different.

[Jim Kent +]

I'm sorry you've had to experience that, Jim. It must have been very painful and frustrating. 

I don't know what it's going to take, or what it could take for these tendency of our society to change. I just wish things were different.

Thanks Ray!

It hasn't been all "bad", but you're right, for many years my life has been excruciatingly frustrating, but I'm finally getting closer to where I want / need to be.

Regarding what needs to happen for there to be significant change in how society treats itself, I can only hope that as more and more of contemporary Humanity start to have regular mystical-experiences, due to being Dual-Activated, then the general awareness of such aspects of our existence will hopefully rise exponentially also.

In the mean time, perhaps we can help a bit by calling out such injustices and hypocrisy such as I experienced and educate people as to the fundamental flaws and negatives of how the psychiatric system abuses people with their "help".

I have to chuckle, one of my primary regular activities that is fundamental to remaining grounded and balanced is silent meditation!

In my experience, it's not meditation that's dangerous - it's the effing shrinks!   

L & L

Jim 

[AnthroHeart]

A final point, that really angers me. Apparently some psychiatric hospitals have banned meditation? I'm not surprised, and as somebody who has myself and has family that has been exploited by the pharmaceutical industry/America's failing and corrupt mental health care system, its quite obvious to me why they would ban meditation. They want to sell you drugs, and to do this, they can't have you believing that you have the power to work on yourself cognitively/psychologically/spiritually. They want to push the idea you are nothing more than a walking chemical distillery that's malfunctioning because it needs their drugs.

This is a hot button to me too, even more so in psychiatry, where they push the notion that someone needs to take medication to make their (say) depression manageable in order to go back to being a functioning, well-adapted member of society. The catalyst that brought about the depression is masked, what is treated is the symptom rather than the root of the problem, and what angers me even more is the notion of measuring a person's mental health by its level of adaptation to a society that is, itself, sick and insane. Many cases of so-called personality disorders, at the end of the day, are nothing more than the best option that someone's mind has found to deal with the insanity around us.

I did an internship for psychology a few years back, and the psychologists in that center touted medication as the go-to treatment for the first signs of depression or so-called mental illness. When I pointed out that the content of a patient's hallucinations seemed to be connected with self-esteem issues, I was pretty much ridiculed and called "non-scientific". On another instance, even when citing a scientific study that pointed out that antisocial personalities can feel empathy for others if they are motivated to do it, this too was dismissed and considered of no importance whatsoever, under the justification that "psychopaths are never going to have an incentive to feel empathy".

This fascination with putting people in boxes, limiting their choices and tools of healing, simplifying and reducing human nature to the most sterile of notions... I understand that confusion is the name of the game in this density, but this really angers me sometimes.

When I was in the 3 mental hospitals, never did I even have the desire to meditate. I was positively wired and talking to God in my head and such.
I would walk around restlessly though a lot.
One person even propositioned me for sex once at one. Turned it down of course.
Meditation would be difficult anyway cause there's a lot of negative energy going around. I don't see how you would accomplish much.

[Jade]

Whether or not meditation is for everyone, it's an important part of understanding our own higher consciousness per Confederation entities. If you are drawn to the Ra material yet do not seek the Creator within, through silence, then you will get stuck processing the higher energies.

60.27 Questioner: Only if you deem it to be of importance I would request a comment. If you feel it unimportant we’ll skip it.

Ra: I am Ra. This information is significant to some degree as it bears upon our own mission at this time.

We of the Confederation are at the call of those upon your planet. If the call, though sincere, is fairly low in consciousness of the, shall we say, system whereby spiritual evolution may be precipitated, then we may only offer that information useful to that particular caller. This is the basic difficulty. Entities receive the basic information about the Original Thought and the means, that is meditation and service to others, whereby this Original Thought may be obtained.

Please note that as Confederation members we are speaking for positively oriented entities. We believe the Orion group has precisely the same difficulty.

Once this basic information is received it is not put into practice in the heart and in the life experience but instead rattles about within the mind complex distortions as would a building block which has lost its place and simply rolls from side to side uselessly, yet still the entity calls. Therefore, the same basic information is repeated. Ultimately the entity decides that it is weary of this repetitive information. However, if an entity puts into practice that which it is given, it will not find repetition except when needed.

[Dtris]

My life, in many respects, has been ruined by a rash and grossly over-simplistic diagnosis of psychosis...

In the beginning of 2001, I contacted Intelligent Infinity through my Indigo-Ray Chakra, saw atomic-structure and a place where ( what I assume is ) my Higher-Self was next to my physical self and was channeling my head off...

Living with my pensioner devout Catholic mother, was perhaps the primary mistake I made, but she got scared and called in the docs...

The following day I was taken by the Police to my local psychiatric hospital, incarcerated for 28 days and forcibly drugged with a substance that I remain addicted to today. In "sectioning me", I lost my legal right to determine my own brain-chemistry, and I have to take measures to reclaim it, and deal with the stress, anxiety and depression that their "help" has caused.

I tried to disclose my visions/OBEs but the shrink assumes all such experience is psychosis and she would not listen to a single word of description about them or indeed my experience of channeling. 

You're pissed off - how do you think I feel!   

This is why people go postal. I would be so enraged I would end up hurting people. Amazing that you have made it to where you are. One of the first things I learned at a young age is you don't tell people about your unusual experiences. If they don't ridicule you, they think you are nuts. Nothing good ever comes out of telling people that aren't part of the seeking group about your experiences. One of the benefits of the internet has been bringing people who mainly fly solo together to discuss their experiences like we do here.

[Dtris]

Yeah, God's name is in Hebrew YHWH or YHVH.

I wonder if this is where they got Yahweh from. It's the Tetragrammaton the 4-letter name of God. It actually doesn't have a pronounciation as far as I know.

There are multiple names for God in Judaism and Hebrew. The name used depends more on the action of God being described or the relationship with God at that moment. Yod Heh Vav Heh is the Tetragrammaton, and it is forbidden to be pronounced in traditional Judaism. While reading Torah whenever this name appears it is replaced by the speaker with Adonai. Adonai is another name for God which means "Lord".

The reason this name is forbidden is because it is believed to be the most potent and magical of all the names. If you are performing theurgic rituals it is very potent to invoke. Yahweh is the anglicized version of the name but the pronunciation is no where near correct. When it is invoked in ritual the name is usually spelled out verbally, but that is not the most potent version of the name.

It has also been said that the Torah itself is the name of God.

[Glow]

https://reasonsforjesus.com/new-study-fi...dangerous/

this might not be the best site but it has studies linked.its good content. just the fact that meditation is a multi-billion dollar industries and promoted by ceos and such should make one question it.

i wonder how many people actually experience these negative side effects but just keep going because they are told it's simply "the dark knight of the soul" or something. those people end up with psychosis or worse. id recommend reading the studies. it will open your eyes.

i do believe meditation is good but only for the most hardcore spiritual seekers who are born for it. not everyone can do it.just like not everyone can play soccer or whatever it may be. i honestly think its wrong to promote this to everyone. some psychiatric hospital have actually banned meditation because of the destabilizing effects. i know people are gonna say its all a conspiracy to keep us locked in the matrix but just look at the facts here , please.
and i know people here have probably had bad experiences with meditation too but most are to afraid to say something and go against the grain.

for lazy people here is a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sbs0YOGk8

you might want to consider reading this too for an updated view on the whole spirituality movement:

https://isgp-studies.com/fingerprints-of-graham-hancock

https://isgp-studies.com/psychedelics-and-elites

What do you think Jesus was doing when he went off into the wilderness alone? Prayer is speaking to god, meditation is listening.

Wether one interprets that god as being within them or outside them doesn’t matter.

[Learner]

https://reasonsforjesus.com/new-study-fi...dangerous/

this might not be the best site but it has studies linked.its good content. just the fact that meditation is a multi-billion dollar industries and promoted by ceos and such should make one question it.

i wonder how many people actually experience these negative side effects but just keep going because they are told it's simply "the dark knight of the soul" or something. those people end up with psychosis or worse. id recommend reading the studies. it will open your eyes.

i do believe meditation is good but only for the most hardcore spiritual seekers who are born for it. not everyone can do it.just like not everyone can play soccer or whatever it may be. i honestly think its wrong to promote this to everyone. some psychiatric hospital have actually banned meditation because of the destabilizing effects. i know people are gonna say its all a conspiracy to keep us locked in the matrix but just look at the facts here , please.
and i know people here have probably had bad experiences with meditation too but most are to afraid to say something and go against the grain.

for lazy people here is a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sbs0YOGk8

you might want to consider reading this too for an updated view on the whole spirituality movement:

https://isgp-studies.com/fingerprints-of-graham-hancock

https://isgp-studies.com/psychedelics-and-elites

Ra 5.2: "...The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence."

[Ray711]

The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence.

I like this one too:

The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into unity, for there is no nothingness

[Sunclarity]

Dear? All is one, and one is love. You always see that, but you can distortedly or clearly. To see clearly, you have to let go of distortion. Meditation is letting go, so it is helpful. If you feel bad while performing, you are simply distorting without realizing. This can be described as misunderstanding. It means you need to go to it knowing certain things, else you may make things worse, but that doesn't mean it isn't meant for all. If you don't know, learn. Like others before you have, so can you.

[flofrog]

Best wishes Jim, and

[Nau7ik]

Sure there can be negative side effects, but it’s not something I’ve ever experienced.

The entire principle of meditation is silencing the mind. This is absolutely necessary for higher stages stages of initiation. For example, making contact with Superconsciousness will require a quiet and calm mind. One will not “hear” or perceive guidance or intuition if his mind is busy and loud. These subtle impressions will escape his notice.

This is not just for some people. It is the blueprint for initiation, the 22 archetypes of the Tarot. It’s for everyone who is called to do the work of knowing the self. There are many means of knowing the self. We here at this forum are spiritual seekers on the positive path. Many are mystics and some magicians, but we are all seekers. We are all here because we are ready and are suppose to be here.

Silencing and focusing the mind puts on in touch with his innate power. The Magician. One cannot be a channel for the cosmic forces to flow through his being when his channel is impure and unable to transmit these higher vibrations.

Meditation prepares one’s mind and body by invoking silence and calmness.

It’s been recommended by CEOs and even school teachers because meditation balances the busy-ness of daily activity. It focuses one’s mind to better handle their work.

People tend to experience problems when their space is unprotected. One is putting himself in a vulnerable state by meditating. One allows for his distortions to rise to the surface so as to be worked upon. The astral plane inhabitants can read us like a book, (the scroll of the high priestess is open for all to see). They can play on our distortions or give us distorted information if we do not protect ourselves. I recommend the Qabalistic Cross, which is basically a Hebrew ritual of the last lines of the Lord’s Prayer, or prayer in general. Mentally Illuminate the area with radiant light.

There’s a saying, “The madman drowns in the same waters that the mystic swims in.” The ocean is the deep mind. Some there are who dive too deep and find that they’re drowning. You never want to push yourself beyond your present limits. Meditation is suppose to be a safe space for you. Allow your distortions to arise slowly and as you’re ready to look at them.

If you’re actually hearing voices, these could likely be mischief makers on the astral plane. Stop your ears immediately and invoke the Light. Brilliant, radiant, blinding white light filling your entire mental field of vision.

Meditation can put us into contact with a store of information from all those who have meditation before us. This is a means of learning in the Holy Qabalah because it is well known that knowledge can be attainted by meditation. All minds are connected.

Anyway, one will have to judge for himself, but in general, meditation is helpful to almost everyone. It provides a balance to the hustle and bustle of our daily activities. And by meditation I mean quiet, calm, silent sitting. Breath work and “chakra opening” meditations can be dangerous and should not be attempted unless you’re under the guidance of an experienced teacher.

[Navaratna]

I think one of the most alarming things about this covid-19 Hysteria is banning people from assembling. Group meditations are more effective than individual meditations. People being forced indoors driving each other nuts with their families or roommates is really not good for people's mental health. If I were rich id build an enormous swimming pool with a copper silver ionization system so people won't have to worry about illness. the sad fact is that even though it's practically impossible for any disease to survive in a copper silver filtration system, youd probably still be prohibited from gathering

[Jim Kent +]

This is why people go postal. I would be so enraged I would end up hurting people. Amazing that you have made it to where you are. One of the first things I learned at a young age is you don't tell people about your unusual experiences. If they don't ridicule you, they think you are nuts. Nothing good ever comes out of telling people that aren't part of the seeking group about your experiences. One of the benefits of the internet has been bringing people who mainly fly solo together to discuss their experiences like we do here.

The after affects of the "Indigo-Ray Blow-Through" ( As those of Q'uo put it ) meant that I felt so overwhelmingly positive that the first day or so was a bit of an adventure. The experience that was perceived as "illness" was so profoundly beautiful / awesome / powerful that its lingering effect, thankfully kept me from losing my s***!

Just as well really, because if I had lost my temper, I would have been screwed! 

I could have been forgiven for getting angry, dragged out of my bed by the police, incarcerated and forcibly drugged for having a confusing and overwhelming mystical-experience. But if I got angry and aggressive, that would legally and in their hypocritical view, morally, justify all of their actions. It's the same circular-logic that the police often use. 

From considerable experience, I have to totally agree that is totally pointless and actually potentially very hazardous, to disclose a larger perspective of reality than many people are familiar and / or comfortable with...

Ah, good ol' 3rd Density Humans, don't you just love 'em!?           

[csusbdt]

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[Navaratna]

This is probably the dumbest topic I've ever read on this website. When it comes to meeting people I've got to say that group meditations make it so that you're around people who are somewhat intelligent because it develops the brain and it requires patience which is something that people these days definitely lack. Instagram and instant messaging have zapped people's brains..it's difficult to get most millennials to pay attention to anything for five minutes without throwing a fit. Books aren't as entertaining as video games..a group of people who call themselves spiritual that don't practice anything and just talk talk talk are just..that. I might sound a little judgmental but to tell you the truth, if there are no standards for a group of people meeting such as an entry fee for a university class or something and all that is required is that somebody has a pulse... You can't really depend on people to be intelligent or friendly.