The Upcoming Apocalypse - As Described in Law of One / Confederation Entities

[dexter101]

All that sounds pretty depressing, to not have accomplished anything worthwhile in 3d and then just be wiped out by cataclysms. I think I'll keep an open mind and open door to other possibilities before buying into that. This lifetime has been not much more than arbitrary suffering, with not many opportunities to have am positive impact on others or even fulfill my own desires. I'm sure it's like that  for a lot of people. If I knew it was going to be nothing but this bullshit, I could have just stayed in my home density. The elite should be removed and we should have chance to have a worthwhile society/experience in 3d. They can use their anti-gravity craft to wait out any cataclysm or go spread their authoritarian trash disease to some other planet while the rest of us burn, drown, whatever? How wonderful, like a disease that consumes its host planet and then spreads.

Sounds like it might even be part of a depopulationist agenda to get people to believe/accept that sort of timeline as inevitable. If that's what we're in for, there was no reason for me to incarnate at all. It's like the punchline of a bad joke, the fruition of all the uncorrected blunders of higher density beings and we've got to pay for it with everything we hold dear in 3d. It's that sort of heartless bureaucracy that needs to be wiped out. We don't need any help dying, f*** you very much, ET's. We need help fixing the problems in 3d.

12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

interesting that Ra says foolhardiness or bravery... i do believe its foolish to come here. if we really all in the end serve others then what difference does it make whether we come here or not. in the end all is as it should be and love/light is in exactly in the configuration it should be.
i do believe thats bullshit. obviously this current 3d/4d earth is f***** beyond saving and i do remember one guy who had contact with 4th density aliens saying that most of their kind consider us spiritually dead and therefore not worth the effort.
i think thats true for the majority of humanity but then again would it really be like this if there hadn't been a war between two factions over humanity lasting thousands and thousands of years?
i think the intervention is what made it worse. but anyways that is not my place to say and if i get a choice after this lifetime i will never incarnate on planets like this again. im tired too.

there are a lot of people thinking here that the elite are going to be removed etc.. all will be well but the guy said the future consists mostly of destruction and cataclysmic events. most will die, some will get taken by aliens to repopulate the 4d earth after. now the elite and the negative aliens of course plan on squeezing us to the very last drop. they want as much energy as they can get before SHTF.

i dont think thats fair. im sure you do too from what i can read. but what can we do really? all we can really do is try our best and hope that in the end the sum of our actions is overwhelmingly positive and in balance with our energy centers.

but of course living like this is extremely hard when you live in modern society. just looking at all the acended masters be it buddha,jesus or anyone for that matter. they all started in isolation from society.
this isnt so easy anymore these days because our bodies, our food, our air are poisoned. not to mention the fact that there are negative aliens watching our every move and of course money.
there is a reason monks seek refugee in caves and mountains. you dont see shaolin monks living in new york.

now as a wanderer your mission is not to avoid society but to bring your light into it as painful as that may be.
ive thought long and hard about how to do that and whether it is even possible without destroying yourself in the process since things are accelerating so fast and becoming more and more chaotic.
also no matter how much one meditates and tries to better onself the matrix keeps coming up with ways to destroy that process. not easy to start from scratch every time.

i really do feel like people got scammed when they came here thinking this is all about saving humanity and spiritual progress but in reality this clusterfuck is nothing but a big old farm.

you have to admit the negative beings are extremely good at what they do.

[Wanderer Seven]

There is a season upon your planet which shall be highly traumatic
within your physical illusion. The physical reasons for this are varied.
Your scientists will spend a great deal of time, while they can, in
attempting to catalog and describe each of the conditions which will
produce disaster on this physical plane of your planet. That which your
scientists speak of is quite so, and will be part of the program which has
been predicted by all of those holy works which you have upon the face
of the Earth.

It is not either permissible or possible for us to tell you precisely what
events will occur, or when they will occur, due to the fact that the
vibration within the mind and heart of the peoples upon your planet is
determining and will determine the precise events. There is within the
planet Earth a great deal of karma which must be adjusted as the cycle
changes, and these things will manifest. Precisely when, and how, we
cannot say, nor would we wish to, my friends. For the rain, and the
wind, and fire, will destroy only those things which are in what you call
the third density of vibration. You may value those things because you
cannot imagine what a fourth-density existence will be like. We suggest
to you that you spend no time concerning yourselves with the effort of
maintaining your third density existence after the vibration change to
fourth density has been completed.

If, within your spirit, your graduation day has come, those things
necessary for your emergence into fourth density will be done for you.
All will be accomplished by helpers which you must be aware that you
have.

It is extremely possible that damage will occur to those things which
you identify with yourself in the third density. If we may speak plainly,
you will observe the valley of the shadow of death. These very words,
my friends, have been spoken to you before, and yet you cling to that
physical body and those physical surroundings as though your spirit
were attached quite permanently to them.

Hello everyone,

1. Is there a time frame given for when this will occur. When I read this, to me it appears that it will coincide with the 4th density transition. I know this transition will take 100-700 years, so from my understanding it may occur when the earth is fully 4th density?

2. They state the third density vehicle will not be able to survive this but what will happen to our favorite animals? Trees? Etc? In other words how can rain, fire and wind only destroy third density and not second density? This indicates there may be some kind of protection? Or is it all being destroyed?

3. Others claim that when this event occurs and if you're incarnate on this planet at that time, there will be higher density beings that will take them off planet within a flash of a second and place them in their appropriate locations. Any truth to this?

I looked up this channeling since I recognized right away it's not in the Ra material which I know too well. It's from 1974. This is not described by Ra in this way.

I don't find that it resonates with me the way the Ra material does. Not that I'm claiming it's not valid. I am not sure, but I don't like the fear generating aspect of it. Also, at that time science was not hijacked for political reasons to the extent that has happened since the 1980's. Right now we have a silent majority of scientists who knows that there is no human-made climate crisis, with a vocal minority of scientists favored by the elites and paraded by the media who claim we must sacrifice and become poor for the climate/environment. It's quite insane indeed. Take the CLINTEL initiative of well credentialed scientists who want to bring sanity to the mainstream climate crisis nonsense. They are ignored by the media. NASA and NOAA fake up the temperature data to support the nonsense claims of climate crisis. The only clear sign of potential apocalyptic events from a scientific perspective I have found would be caused by a solar micro-nova, less likely, an asteroid, and the mainstream does not report on the solar micro-nova cycle. The best science is fairly well hidden, that's what's happened.

1) We don't have any time frames better than Ra's conjecture which Ra said was uncertain.
2) The trees, and animals are second density, so this is referring only to human yellow ray bodies. Green ray bodies will not also be effected.
3) Who knows. I personally doubt it. I think that harvest is done in a gradual transition. I am curious about the dual body activation that Ra described. I think it's just important to know, accept yourself. Let go of fear, rejoice in the love and the light... While in the yellow ray body 3d illusion it seems lovelier to be in the illusion, in reality it's not better...  

Rejoice In the love and light of the one infinite creator

I'm somewhere in the middle with the climate issue. I think there is a human-made impact, but it is being overblown for the purposes of justifying things like population control, weather modification/chem trails, and most obviously, taxes...taxes on the use of shitty fossil fuels, which are then used to subsidize...you guessed it, more dumb s*** like fossil fuels.

I think the fracking and amount of petroleum-based garbage everywhere is damaging the ecosystem more than anything is damaging the climate. Nobody has any objective proof how much or how little of the climate change is really due to human activities, everyone sort of has a different bent based on politics and other agendas more than objective truth, so I don't really feel I know enough for certain to sit there and say what's what.

I think if people cut through the bullshit and left-right politics, maybe we'd be closer to actually answering those questions.

I completely agree with you on the problem of plastic waste pollution and I would favor using biodegradable plant based material where packaging is truly needed. However, after years of deep scientific research starting from a position of belief in anthropogenic climate change, I did a 180, and now believe that the human impact on climate from using fossil fuels is less than the margin of error in our measurement ability. The masses are being deceived by computer models that Dr Nakamura (author: confessions of a climate scientist) calls “Mickey mouse Mockeries of the Real World” and he further states “The global surface mean temperature-change data no longer have any scientific value and are nothing except a propaganda tool to the public.”

On the other hand, the benefits to plant life from both the natural and anthropogenic increases in CO2 are significant and the planetary greening is beneficial to the biosphere and a boon to agricultural productivity. The work of dr Salby (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ0R1MCkSOU ) gives strong evidence based on isotopes that most of the increase in CO2 levels of the last century is natural. If one looks at the fossil records (Geocarb III for example) it is clear that the current era is one of extremely low levels of CO2 compared to millions of years of the best proxy record available, which is the relative concentration of stomata in plants.

I have a great deal of scientific reference material on climate if you are interested PM me.
In love and light!

[Navaratna]

Lately I was curious about how old the Pentagon is because of its shape and a lot of symbols like the pyramid and Star of David are meaningful for a number of reasons. I came across something strange. Construction on the Pentagon began on September 11th 1941. . I wonder what's going to happen on September 11th of this year considering on other anniversaries such as the attack on Benghazi happened in 2012. Considering Beirut just got exploded with the force of a small nuclear weapon... It makes me wonder what's going to happen next month with all those desperate jobless/homeless people looking for someone to outwardly blame.

[J.W.]

All that sounds pretty depressing, to not have accomplished anything worthwhile in 3d and then just be wiped out by cataclysms. I think I'll keep an open mind and open door to other possibilities before buying into that. This lifetime has been not much more than arbitrary suffering, with not many opportunities to have am positive impact on others or even fulfill my own desires. I'm sure it's like that  for a lot of people. If I knew it was going to be nothing but this bullshit, I could have just stayed in my home density. The elite should be removed and we should have chance to have a worthwhile society/experience in 3d. They can use their anti-gravity craft to wait out any cataclysm or go spread their authoritarian trash disease to some other planet while the rest of us burn, drown, whatever? How wonderful, like a disease that consumes its host planet and then spreads.

Sounds like it might even be part of a depopulationist agenda to get people to believe/accept that sort of timeline as inevitable. If that's what we're in for, there was no reason for me to incarnate at all. It's like the punchline of a bad joke, the fruition of all the uncorrected blunders of higher density beings and we've got to pay for it with everything we hold dear in 3d. It's that sort of heartless bureaucracy that needs to be wiped out. We don't need any help dying, f*** you very much, ET's. We need help fixing the problems in 3d.

12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

interesting that Ra says foolhardiness or bravery... i do believe its foolish to come here. if we really all in the end serve others then what difference does it make whether we come here or not. in the end all is as it should be and love/light is in exactly in the configuration it should be.  
i do believe thats bullshit. obviously this current 3d/4d earth is f***** beyond saving and i do remember one guy who had contact with 4th density aliens saying that most of their kind consider us spiritually dead and therefore not worth the effort.
i think thats true for the majority of humanity but then again would it really be like this if there hadn't been a war between two factions over humanity lasting thousands and thousands of years?
i think the intervention is what made it worse. but anyways that is not my place to say and if i get a choice after this lifetime i will never incarnate on planets like this again. im tired too.

there are a lot of people thinking here that the elite are going to be removed etc.. all will be well but the guy said the future consists mostly of destruction and cataclysmic events. most will die, some will get taken by aliens to repopulate the 4d earth after. now the elite and the negative aliens of course plan on squeezing us to the very last drop. they want as much energy as they can get before SHTF.

i dont think thats fair. im sure you do too from what i can read. but what can we do really? all we can really do is try our best and hope that in the end the sum of our actions is overwhelmingly positive and in balance with our energy centers.

but of course living like this is extremely hard when you live in modern society. just looking at all the acended masters be it buddha,jesus or anyone for that matter. they all started in isolation from society.
this isnt so easy anymore these days because our bodies, our food, our air are poisoned. not to mention the fact that there are negative aliens watching our every move and of course money.
there is a reason monks seek refugee in caves and mountains. you dont see shaolin monks living in new york.

now as a wanderer your mission is not to avoid society but to bring your light into it as painful as that may be.
ive thought long and hard about how to do that and whether it is even possible without destroying yourself in the process since things are accelerating so fast and becoming more and more chaotic.
also no matter how much one meditates and tries to better onself the matrix keeps coming up with ways to destroy that process. not easy to start from scratch every time.

i really do feel like people got scammed when they came here thinking this is all about saving humanity and spiritual progress but in reality this clusterfuck is nothing but a big old farm.

you have to admit the negative beings are extremely good at what they do.

dexter101,

I believe you are an intellect, you are very aware and keen on the movements and effects going on in our density.

Although, the pessimism and contemptuousness from your vibration... It seems to come from your tiredness and exhaustion from the ever suffocating pressure of this plain. It is driven strongly by negative emotions.

My friend, you spoke of following the Buddhist spiritual path of isolation and seek for enlightenment. When oneself voice a positive intention but does not act on it, there is a struggle internally of that soul/mind and mind/soul to let go of the materials and illusion of "stability" of ones life.

My intuition tells me that you want to seek peace, but your current incarnated life is bounded by some sort of obligation, or shackles that binds you to a metropolitan environment where you find suffocating and grim.

My advice is to follow your guts instinct my friend, if you seek freedom from the illusion of this density. This includes freedom of the mind/spirit from limiting thoughts, and/or pessimistic outlook. Then be true and go for it without fear.

(You find the world 'Earth' specifically a dark place, because you received information while incarnated here about the actions of the negative force and also the lack of humbleness in your fellow man.)

All of this compound to how it negatively effect your illusion of "dwelling" or "living" on this planet, in this density, in this time/space.

But when we find ourselves caught up in the maelstrom of this chaos, we forget why we are here, we forget the lessons we must learn for us to walk through the light and spiral upward.

You, You(creator) and you(higher self) may have chosen this specific existence for you(incarnated) here to learn/teach teach/learn.

From my opinion, there is no such thing as coincidences, "every force is met with an equal force."

The "purpose" or "mission"... either to learn lesson/s or help others may have been all of our original intention before incarnating. Wishing for a better place/life in the next incarnation might have a "I'll put off my homework until next week" sort of effect on the overall energy/soul.

Ever thought of the possibility that the next incarnation and/or "story of your life" is not as fruitful as you may wished for?

Through my own study of the Law of One, I came across schizophrenia (I oriented towards social work, so I have curiosity and compassion for those that are suffering from mental illnesses) "Latwii" the entity that communicate with Carla explained the disease comes from the fragmentation of the mind/spirit because it cannot, and will not (by choice) to face it's lessons or understand the purpose of the trauma in one's incarnation.

To simply put, it means that these souls/people kept sweeping their "lessons" under the rug to the point it spawned itself into something that force them to learn their lessons in a "harder" way.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0112.aspx


I cannot, and will not speak further on this, because I feel it might infringe on freewill, and it might causes Law of Confusion for you, or anyone reading this post.

to conclude my vibration, I strongly suggest us to look into one's self with peace, love, understand and harmony. To seek the purpose of their own existence chosen by their higher self, either to learn, or to help others.

With love and Light dexter101,

[Wanderer Seven]

All that sounds pretty depressing, to not have accomplished anything worthwhile in 3d and then just be wiped out by cataclysms. I think I'll keep an open mind and open door to other possibilities before buying into that. This lifetime has been not much more than arbitrary suffering, with not many opportunities to have am positive impact on others or even fulfill my own desires. I'm sure it's like that  for a lot of people. If I knew it was going to be nothing but this bullshit, I could have just stayed in my home density. The elite should be removed and we should have chance to have a worthwhile society/experience in 3d. They can use their anti-gravity craft to wait out any cataclysm or go spread their authoritarian trash disease to some other planet while the rest of us burn, drown, whatever? How wonderful, like a disease that consumes its host planet and then spreads.

Sounds like it might even be part of a depopulationist agenda to get people to believe/accept that sort of timeline as inevitable. If that's what we're in for, there was no reason for me to incarnate at all. It's like the punchline of a bad joke, the fruition of all the uncorrected blunders of higher density beings and we've got to pay for it with everything we hold dear in 3d. It's that sort of heartless bureaucracy that needs to be wiped out. We don't need any help dying, f*** you very much, ET's. We need help fixing the problems in 3d.

12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

interesting that Ra says foolhardiness or bravery... i do believe its foolish to come here. if we really all in the end serve others then what difference does it make whether we come here or not. in the end all is as it should be and love/light is in exactly in the configuration it should be.  
i do believe thats bullshit. obviously this current 3d/4d earth is f***** beyond saving and i do remember one guy who had contact with 4th density aliens saying that most of their kind consider us spiritually dead and therefore not worth the effort.
i think thats true for the majority of humanity but then again would it really be like this if there hadn't been a war between two factions over humanity lasting thousands and thousands of years?
i think the intervention is what made it worse. but anyways that is not my place to say and if i get a choice after this lifetime i will never incarnate on planets like this again. im tired too.

there are a lot of people thinking here that the elite are going to be removed etc.. all will be well but the guy said the future consists mostly of destruction and cataclysmic events. most will die, some will get taken by aliens to repopulate the 4d earth after. now the elite and the negative aliens of course plan on squeezing us to the very last drop. they want as much energy as they can get before SHTF.

i dont think thats fair. im sure you do too from what i can read. but what can we do really? all we can really do is try our best and hope that in the end the sum of our actions is overwhelmingly positive and in balance with our energy centers.

but of course living like this is extremely hard when you live in modern society. just looking at all the acended masters be it buddha,jesus or anyone for that matter. they all started in isolation from society.
this isnt so easy anymore these days because our bodies, our food, our air are poisoned. not to mention the fact that there are negative aliens watching our every move and of course money.
there is a reason monks seek refugee in caves and mountains. you dont see shaolin monks living in new york.

now as a wanderer your mission is not to avoid society but to bring your light into it as painful as that may be.
ive thought long and hard about how to do that and whether it is even possible without destroying yourself in the process since things are accelerating so fast and becoming more and more chaotic.
also no matter how much one meditates and tries to better onself the matrix keeps coming up with ways to destroy that process. not easy to start from scratch every time.

i really do feel like people got scammed when they came here thinking this is all about saving humanity and spiritual progress but in reality this clusterfuck is nothing but a big old farm.

you have to admit the negative beings are extremely good at what they do.

Yes, the STS or negative path beings are quite good at what they do. And yet they are no less the creator than you or I.
Carla was a wanderer and had to deal with arthritis and lupus as preincarnative choice, so we do not plan on easy lifetimes when we make the brave and foolish choice to be a wanderer. I can sympathize with you. I have been a wanderer before. I was on what is now called Maldek for one lifetime but left before the destruction. I am sending a message frequently to plead with my future self in time-space review to stop wandering. I had an interesting experience in LBL hypnotic regression with my personal council recommending against taking this mission (this lifetime) yet here I am. I am also in touch with that part of my soul that “reaches out the hand figuratively” to the great calling of sorrow coming from here. I have a deep and persistent yearning for the liberation of humanity for the remaining 3D experience. It can be much better if only the people awaken and throw off the system of enslavement. It’s much harder while we’re here without the perspective we have without the veiling. So this time, remembering more, I am taking the opportunity to do what is possible to stop being foolish! Yet... With whatever time I remain here I will do what I can... And will practice the disciplines of the personality.

Hang in there!

In love and light!

[Jade]

If y'all want to know the most likely way that humans will extinct themselves on this planet, learn about how we make food. Global demand for meat is going up. We are replacing thousands of natural species with our 5 most preferred mutants: corn, soy, pigs, cows, and chickens - corn and soy being primarily grown to feed the latter, which need to consume massive quantities of the former. We are eating our planet to death. Until we understand how to work in a cooperative and harmonious fashion with second density, we will never get to fourth density.

Current estimates say that our oceans will be essentially fishless by 2050.

The biomass of chickens is 3x that of all other birds on this planet combined.

Oh, and cows poop over 100lbs of waste per day. We have 1.5 billion of them. So I guess the other way we will make this planet uninhabitable for ourselves is how quickly we are filling it up with the putrid waste and byproducts of our chosen hedonistic lifestyles.

[Wanderer Seven]

If y'all want to know the most likely way that humans will extinct themselves on this planet, learn about how we make food. Global demand for meat is going up. We are replacing thousands of natural species with our 5 most preferred mutants: corn, soy, pigs, cows, and chickens - corn and soy being primarily grown to feed the latter, which need to consume massive quantities of the former. We are eating our planet to death. Until we understand how to work in a cooperative and harmonious fashion with second density, we will never get to fourth density.

Current estimates say that our oceans will be essentially fishless by 2050.

The biomass of chickens is 3x that of all other birds on this planet combined.

Oh, and cows poop over 100lbs of waste per day. We have 1.5 billion of them. So I guess the other way we will make this planet uninhabitable for ourselves is how quickly we are filling it up with the putrid waste and byproducts of our chosen hedonistic lifestyles.

Blessings to you Jade and respectful disagreement with your conclusions. I am in favor of a revolution in agriculture back to small family farms, organic and biodynamic. Yes the industrial farming, especially of animals, is inhumane and bad for the environment. But nothing is going to prevent the coming of fourth density. The current situation is sad but not apocalyptic. On the positive side: More people are choosing to purchase organic, biodynamic and 100% grass fed beef and bison. I have been careful in my food choices for decades.

Be wary of doomsayers. I don’t believe the predictions of fishless oceans, I heard so many dire predictions in my lifetime that didn’t materialize. You could say I am a bit jaded. Okay pun intended. But no disrespect dear one. Remember that the planet has tremendous healing ability. The media love to present predictions of doom. Remember that it’s the STS entities that like to create feelings of doom. Don’t worry. Certainly is good to help others become aware and make more informed choices. Even when I was poor I was careful about my food choices. In conclusion I would suggest a more skeptical view of predictions and a more positive outlook on the situation. I know it’s hard.

In love and light

[Navaratna]

I think you're right about farming but the big issue is that if a wealthy country were to stop consuming so much meat, the price of meat for poor countries would fall and people would just consume it more when they didn't have the option before. Unless there is an outright global ban on livestock there will always be an industry for it. Good luck forcing that upon people

[AnthroHeart]

I have a friend who is working on replicators. I am also assisting.
I wonder if we can replicate meat if that will reduce the demand for livestock.

[RaEatsFoodstuffs]

I have a friend who is working on replicators. I am also assisting.
I wonder if we can replicate meat if that will reduce the demand for livestock.

This seems to be 100% accurate. Those SSP soldiers (the real ones who have gone on camera and taken lie detector tests + vetted military background) have talked about this technology being used. Quite a few have said it’s been used to recreate food. Others have said you can replicate almost anything you can think of, including precious metals, etc. Imagine not having to kill animals for food anymore and still being able to eat meat.

Randy Cramer is currently working on the hollow (holographic)med bed technology. This cures all illnesses + can be used for age reversal. He goes into extreme details as to how it functions. He said with this technology the age limit can go well into the thousands. He also states that the technology the Secret Space Programs have is nothing compared to some of the other civilizations.

[RaEatsFoodstuffs]

All that sounds pretty depressing, to not have accomplished anything worthwhile in 3d and then just be wiped out by cataclysms. I think I'll keep an open mind and open door to other possibilities before buying into that. This lifetime has been not much more than arbitrary suffering, with not many opportunities to have am positive impact on others or even fulfill my own desires. I'm sure it's like that  for a lot of people. If I knew it was going to be nothing but this bullshit, I could have just stayed in my home density. The elite should be removed and we should have chance to have a worthwhile society/experience in 3d. They can use their anti-gravity craft to wait out any cataclysm or go spread their authoritarian trash disease to some other planet while the rest of us burn, drown, whatever? How wonderful, like a disease that consumes its host planet and then spreads.

Sounds like it might even be part of a depopulationist agenda to get people to believe/accept that sort of timeline as inevitable. If that's what we're in for, there was no reason for me to incarnate at all. It's like the punchline of a bad joke, the fruition of all the uncorrected blunders of higher density beings and we've got to pay for it with everything we hold dear in 3d. It's that sort of heartless bureaucracy that needs to be wiped out. We don't need any help dying, f*** you very much, ET's. We need help fixing the problems in 3d.

12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

interesting that Ra says foolhardiness or bravery... i do believe its foolish to come here. if we really all in the end serve others then what difference does it make whether we come here or not. in the end all is as it should be and love/light is in exactly in the configuration it should be.  
i do believe thats bullshit. obviously this current 3d/4d earth is f***** beyond saving and i do remember one guy who had contact with 4th density aliens saying that most of their kind consider us spiritually dead and therefore not worth the effort.
i think thats true for the majority of humanity but then again would it really be like this if there hadn't been a war between two factions over humanity lasting thousands and thousands of years?
i think the intervention is what made it worse. but anyways that is not my place to say and if i get a choice after this lifetime i will never incarnate on planets like this again. im tired too.

there are a lot of people thinking here that the elite are going to be removed etc.. all will be well but the guy said the future consists mostly of destruction and cataclysmic events. most will die, some will get taken by aliens to repopulate the 4d earth after. now the elite and the negative aliens of course plan on squeezing us to the very last drop. they want as much energy as they can get before SHTF.

i dont think thats fair. im sure you do too from what i can read. but what can we do really? all we can really do is try our best and hope that in the end the sum of our actions is overwhelmingly positive and in balance with our energy centers.

but of course living like this is extremely hard when you live in modern society. just looking at all the acended masters be it buddha,jesus or anyone for that matter. they all started in isolation from society.
this isnt so easy anymore these days because our bodies, our food, our air are poisoned. not to mention the fact that there are negative aliens watching our every move and of course money.
there is a reason monks seek refugee in caves and mountains. you dont see shaolin monks living in new york.

now as a wanderer your mission is not to avoid society but to bring your light into it as painful as that may be.
ive thought long and hard about how to do that and whether it is even possible without destroying yourself in the process since things are accelerating so fast and becoming more and more chaotic.
also no matter how much one meditates and tries to better onself the matrix keeps coming up with ways to destroy that process. not easy to start from scratch every time.

i really do feel like people got scammed when they came here thinking this is all about saving humanity and spiritual progress but in reality this clusterfuck is nothing but a big old farm.

you have to admit the negative beings are extremely good at what they do.

dexter101,

I believe you are an intellect, you are very aware and keen on the movements and effects going on in our density.

Although, the pessimism and contemptuousness from your vibration... It seems to come from your tiredness and exhaustion from the ever suffocating pressure of this plain. It is driven strongly by negative emotions.

My friend, you spoke of following the Buddhist spiritual path of isolation and seek for enlightenment. When oneself voice a positive intention but does not act on it, there is a struggle internally of that soul/mind and mind/soul to let go of the materials and illusion of "stability" of ones life.

My intuition tells me that you want to seek peace, but your current incarnated life is bounded by some sort of obligation, or shackles that binds you to a metropolitan environment where you find suffocating and grim.  

My advice is to follow your guts instinct my friend, if you seek freedom from the illusion of this density. This includes freedom of the mind/spirit from limiting thoughts, and/or pessimistic outlook. Then be true and go for it without fear.

(You find the world 'Earth' specifically a dark place, because you received information while incarnated here about the actions of the negative force and also the lack of humbleness in your fellow man.)

All of this compound to how it negatively effect your illusion of "dwelling" or "living" on this planet, in this density, in this time/space.

But when we find ourselves caught up in the maelstrom of this chaos, we forget why we are here, we forget the lessons we must learn for us to walk through the light and spiral upward.

You, You(creator) and you(higher self) may have chosen this specific existence for you(incarnated) here to learn/teach teach/learn.

From my opinion, there is no such thing as coincidences, "every force is met with an equal force."

The "purpose" or "mission"... either to learn lesson/s  or help others may have been all of our original intention before incarnating. Wishing for a better place/life in the next incarnation might have a "I'll put off my homework until next week" sort of effect on the overall energy/soul.

Ever thought of the possibility that the next incarnation and/or "story of your life" is not as fruitful as you may wished for?

Through my own study of the Law of One, I came across schizophrenia (I oriented towards social work, so I have curiosity and compassion for those that are suffering from mental illnesses) "Latwii" the entity that communicate with Carla explained the disease comes from the fragmentation of the mind/spirit because it cannot, and will not (by choice) to face it's lessons or understand the purpose of the trauma in one's incarnation.

To simply put, it means that these souls/people kept sweeping their "lessons" under the rug to the point it spawned itself into something that force them to learn their lessons in a "harder" way.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0112.aspx


I cannot, and will not speak further on this, because I feel it might infringe on freewill, and it might causes Law of Confusion for you, or anyone reading this post.

to conclude my vibration, I strongly suggest us to look into one's self with peace, love, understand and harmony. To seek the purpose of their own existence chosen by their higher self, either to learn, or to help others.

With love and Light dexter101,

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that. This is something I have to constantly remind myself to do. Why did I Incarnate here? Was it to judge people? Criticize? Hate? No. It was to be of service. Regardless of what happened in the past on Earth, I keep telling myself that I have to try and help as many people as possible. I was pretty selfish early on with my time, only thinking about myself....and I failed at a lot of things. But I won’t fail at being a human and I won’t fail God.

[dexter101]

All that sounds pretty depressing, to not have accomplished anything worthwhile in 3d and then just be wiped out by cataclysms. I think I'll keep an open mind and open door to other possibilities before buying into that. This lifetime has been not much more than arbitrary suffering, with not many opportunities to have am positive impact on others or even fulfill my own desires. I'm sure it's like that  for a lot of people. If I knew it was going to be nothing but this bullshit, I could have just stayed in my home density. The elite should be removed and we should have chance to have a worthwhile society/experience in 3d. They can use their anti-gravity craft to wait out any cataclysm or go spread their authoritarian trash disease to some other planet while the rest of us burn, drown, whatever? How wonderful, like a disease that consumes its host planet and then spreads.

Sounds like it might even be part of a depopulationist agenda to get people to believe/accept that sort of timeline as inevitable. If that's what we're in for, there was no reason for me to incarnate at all. It's like the punchline of a bad joke, the fruition of all the uncorrected blunders of higher density beings and we've got to pay for it with everything we hold dear in 3d. It's that sort of heartless bureaucracy that needs to be wiped out. We don't need any help dying, f*** you very much, ET's. We need help fixing the problems in 3d.

12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

interesting that Ra says foolhardiness or bravery... i do believe its foolish to come here. if we really all in the end serve others then what difference does it make whether we come here or not. in the end all is as it should be and love/light is in exactly in the configuration it should be.  
i do believe thats bullshit. obviously this current 3d/4d earth is f***** beyond saving and i do remember one guy who had contact with 4th density aliens saying that most of their kind consider us spiritually dead and therefore not worth the effort.
i think thats true for the majority of humanity but then again would it really be like this if there hadn't been a war between two factions over humanity lasting thousands and thousands of years?
i think the intervention is what made it worse. but anyways that is not my place to say and if i get a choice after this lifetime i will never incarnate on planets like this again. im tired too.

there are a lot of people thinking here that the elite are going to be removed etc.. all will be well but the guy said the future consists mostly of destruction and cataclysmic events. most will die, some will get taken by aliens to repopulate the 4d earth after. now the elite and the negative aliens of course plan on squeezing us to the very last drop. they want as much energy as they can get before SHTF.

i dont think thats fair. im sure you do too from what i can read. but what can we do really? all we can really do is try our best and hope that in the end the sum of our actions is overwhelmingly positive and in balance with our energy centers.

but of course living like this is extremely hard when you live in modern society. just looking at all the acended masters be it buddha,jesus or anyone for that matter. they all started in isolation from society.
this isnt so easy anymore these days because our bodies, our food, our air are poisoned. not to mention the fact that there are negative aliens watching our every move and of course money.
there is a reason monks seek refugee in caves and mountains. you dont see shaolin monks living in new york.

now as a wanderer your mission is not to avoid society but to bring your light into it as painful as that may be.
ive thought long and hard about how to do that and whether it is even possible without destroying yourself in the process since things are accelerating so fast and becoming more and more chaotic.
also no matter how much one meditates and tries to better onself the matrix keeps coming up with ways to destroy that process. not easy to start from scratch every time.

i really do feel like people got scammed when they came here thinking this is all about saving humanity and spiritual progress but in reality this clusterfuck is nothing but a big old farm.

you have to admit the negative beings are extremely good at what they do.

dexter101,

I believe you are an intellect, you are very aware and keen on the movements and effects going on in our density.

Although, the pessimism and contemptuousness from your vibration... It seems to come from your tiredness and exhaustion from the ever suffocating pressure of this plain. It is driven strongly by negative emotions.

My friend, you spoke of following the Buddhist spiritual path of isolation and seek for enlightenment. When oneself voice a positive intention but does not act on it, there is a struggle internally of that soul/mind and mind/soul to let go of the materials and illusion of "stability" of ones life.

My intuition tells me that you want to seek peace, but your current incarnated life is bounded by some sort of obligation, or shackles that binds you to a metropolitan environment where you find suffocating and grim.  

My advice is to follow your guts instinct my friend, if you seek freedom from the illusion of this density. This includes freedom of the mind/spirit from limiting thoughts, and/or pessimistic outlook. Then be true and go for it without fear.

(You find the world 'Earth' specifically a dark place, because you received information while incarnated here about the actions of the negative force and also the lack of humbleness in your fellow man.)

All of this compound to how it negatively effect your illusion of "dwelling" or "living" on this planet, in this density, in this time/space.

But when we find ourselves caught up in the maelstrom of this chaos, we forget why we are here, we forget the lessons we must learn for us to walk through the light and spiral upward.

You, You(creator) and you(higher self) may have chosen this specific existence for you(incarnated) here to learn/teach teach/learn.

From my opinion, there is no such thing as coincidences, "every force is met with an equal force."

The "purpose" or "mission"... either to learn lesson/s  or help others may have been all of our original intention before incarnating. Wishing for a better place/life in the next incarnation might have a "I'll put off my homework until next week" sort of effect on the overall energy/soul.

Ever thought of the possibility that the next incarnation and/or "story of your life" is not as fruitful as you may wished for?

Through my own study of the Law of One, I came across schizophrenia (I oriented towards social work, so I have curiosity and compassion for those that are suffering from mental illnesses) "Latwii" the entity that communicate with Carla explained the disease comes from the fragmentation of the mind/spirit because it cannot, and will not (by choice) to face it's lessons or understand the purpose of the trauma in one's incarnation.

To simply put, it means that these souls/people kept sweeping their "lessons" under the rug to the point it spawned itself into something that force them to learn their lessons in a "harder" way.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0112.aspx


I cannot, and will not speak further on this, because I feel it might infringe on freewill, and it might causes Law of Confusion for you, or anyone reading this post.

to conclude my vibration, I strongly suggest us to look into one's self with peace, love, understand and harmony. To seek the purpose of their own existence chosen by their higher self, either to learn, or to help others.

With love and Light dexter101,

hey J.W. ,
thank you for that message. it really sort of uplifted me and yes everything you said is correct. i am suprised you know that much about me.
it is true that i am bound to a metropolitan area and it really hurts me mentally and physically. i have been thinking about what to do for a long time. i thought about just leaving but so far its true ive been too scared to do so. ive gone trough a lot of trauma in my life and it sort of shattered me. i do try to put myself together again but i dont know how to accept it all. that has been a huge difficulty for me.
anyways thank you again for that message. i think you just helped me solve a major issue in my life.

[Jade]

If y'all want to know the most likely way that humans will extinct themselves on this planet, learn about how we make food. Global demand for meat is going up. We are replacing thousands of natural species with our 5 most preferred mutants: corn, soy, pigs, cows, and chickens - corn and soy being primarily grown to feed the latter, which need to consume massive quantities of the former. We are eating our planet to death. Until we understand how to work in a cooperative and harmonious fashion with second density, we will never get to fourth density.

Current estimates say that our oceans will be essentially fishless by 2050.

The biomass of chickens is 3x that of all other birds on this planet combined.

Oh, and cows poop over 100lbs of waste per day. We have 1.5 billion of them. So I guess the other way we will make this planet uninhabitable for ourselves is how quickly we are filling it up with the putrid waste and byproducts of our chosen hedonistic lifestyles.

Blessings to you Jade and respectful disagreement with your conclusions. I am in favor of a revolution in agriculture back to small family farms, organic and biodynamic. Yes the industrial farming, especially of animals, is inhumane and bad for the environment. But nothing is going to prevent the coming of fourth density. The current situation is sad but not apocalyptic. On the positive side: More people are choosing to purchase organic, biodynamic and 100% grass fed beef and bison. I have been careful in my food choices for decades.

Be wary of doomsayers. I don’t believe the predictions of fishless oceans, I heard so many dire predictions in my lifetime that didn’t materialize. You could say I am a bit jaded. Okay pun intended. But no disrespect dear one. Remember that the planet has tremendous healing ability. The media love to present predictions of doom. Remember that it’s the STS entities that like to create feelings of doom. Don’t worry. Certainly is good to help others become aware and make more informed choices. Even when I was poor I was careful about my food choices. In conclusion I would suggest a more skeptical view of predictions and a more positive outlook on the situation. I know it’s hard.

In love and light

Interesting that I'm being accused of promoting doom in a thread with several pages of doom and gloom. Ra never said that we are guaranteed to keep our planet intact. In fact, they said that the higher density entities are watching our planet with the hope that we can harvest in peace. I believe that if humans make changes we can go forward and continue harmoniously on this planet. But so many people, including those in this thread, prefer to justify their current choices of plundering our planetary resources. In fact your post is riddled with doublespeak. You say you make intentional choices, but then you also say that our choices don't matter because nothing bad will happen? Contradiction, dear one.

There are wishes and hopes for a better reality, and then there are objective physical facts. Here is an objective fact: We literally do not have the space on this planet to grow cows, pigs, and chickens in a "biodynamic" or "sustainable" way. We would run out of space if we let all of the domesticated animals free graze. Another objective fact: We have dead zones in our oceans and we are literally pulling more fish out than are able to reproduce. And another that was not addressed in my post: the animals that we grow for food are mutants. They suffer because of the genetic choices we have made for them. This is not okay! This isn't about letting a cow eat grass, it's about not perverting nature for selfish consumption purposes. A wild chicken lays 12-24 eggs a year, a domesticated chicken has been selectively bred to lay 300+ eggs a year - which absolutely destroys their bodies. Most live to be about 6 years old, maybe 10 if they are given the absolute best care. (Chickens who are commodified for eggs are usually killed at 2 years because their production drops off enough that they aren't profitable anymore). A wild chicken can live up to 25 years. We did something wrong. We also have the other chickens - meat chickens - Cornish Cross is the breed. These chickens grow to almost adult size within 6 weeks, so they can be harvested as babies. If they live any longer, they suffer greatly because they are actual mutants. They are missing bones in their wings, they have less feathers - because these things make them easier and more palatable to harvest for food. Did you know that the "chicken wings" you eat have been bred to have bones missing because that's what we prefer? Probably not. Some people try to give these birds a "natural" life but they still very rarely will live more than 2 years, and in those two years they suffer from joint pain, heart problems, and eating disorders. However, these mutant farm animals are all genetically selected for another trait - absolute adoration and subservience to humans.

For our beloved cheese, we must forcefully impregnate cows that have, again, been genetically selected for traits that cause them great suffering. We force their impregnation and then take their babies away, at birth, so we can steal their mother's milk. The boys are murdered and the girls are put into a life of maternal slavery. Can you defend this practice in the context of the Law of One? How is this anything other than complete self service? These are late second density beings that have been domesticated for thousands of years. There are two types of energy we can put into them that prepare them for harvest into third density, and if you look at our planetary choices, we are subjugating billions of animals into slavery when we should be investing positive and harmonious energy into their spiritual development.

The fact that you handwave my concerns with "I eat organic/humane/insert other marketing buzzwords here" just proves that you are ignorant about agriculture practices. That's why I suggested informing oneself in my post. Last summer we were up in arms because of the mega destruction of the rain forest, almost entirely done for animal agriculture, a very profitable enterprise. The rainforest is considered the "lungs of our planet". This year, we have a highly virulent disease that is affecting the entire planet and it's main acting mechanism is to attack people's lungs and ability to breathe. This disease is zoonotic in origin, created by inhumane farming practices, just like all of our pandemics. Coincidence? There is a high correlation between that which we choose to consume and our karma on this planet. This is what the 10th card of the Tarot represents. Notice that both entities are bound to the wheel by their orange ray, their bellies. As long as we think it's okay to objectify second density and modify it in cruel ways for our pleasure, we will be stuck on the wheel repeating mistakes.

Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

[AnthroHeart]

I have a friend who is working on replicators. I am also assisting.
I wonder if we can replicate meat if that will reduce the demand for livestock.

This seems to be 100% accurate. Those SSP soldiers (the real ones who have gone on camera and taken lie detector tests + vetted military background) have talked about this technology being used. Quite a few have said it’s been used to recreate food. Others have said you can replicate almost anything you can think of, including precious metals, etc. Imagine not having to kill animals for food anymore and still being able to eat meat.

Randy Cramer is currently working on the hollow (holographic)med bed technology. This cures all illnesses + can be used for age reversal. He goes into extreme details as to how it functions. He said with this technology the age limit can go well into the thousands. He also states that the technology the Secret Space Programs have is nothing compared to some of the other civilizations.

I love how you don't have to know exactly what you are replicating is made of. It manifests out of infinite intelligence which knows everything.

So you can recreate the wine that Jesus made from water thousands of years ago.

Or even ET wine.

I can manifest the taste of anything in my mouth with the Repeater, or on my own. So I have tasted the wine that Jesus made and it was very good. Slightly sweet.

Why do people assume that Jesus made red wine? It's easier to make white wine from water.

[Jade]

I have a friend who is working on replicators. I am also assisting.
I wonder if we can replicate meat if that will reduce the demand for livestock.

This seems to be 100% accurate. Those SSP soldiers (the real ones who have gone on camera and taken lie detector tests + vetted military background) have talked about this technology being used. Quite a few have said it’s been used to recreate food. Others have said you can replicate almost anything you can think of, including precious metals, etc. Imagine not having to kill animals for food anymore and still being able to eat meat.

I think what would be really nice is if people made the free will choice to stop supporting objectively evil industries, so that these industries didn't have the money, resources, and consent to continue to repress technology that would put them out of business.

Not only are the beef, dairy, pork, and chicken industries huge economic drivers, people don't consider how much money Big Pharma makes on the animal agriculture industry. 80% of all antibiotics sold are given to farm animals. Same with the majority of vaccines. There are so many industries that are dependent upon our love of eating and enslaving animals. The fact that we keep giving them money is what is keeping more benevolent technologies suppressed.

[Diana]

Blessings to you Jade and respectful disagreement with your conclusions. I am in favor of a revolution in agriculture back to small family farms, organic and biodynamic. Yes the industrial farming, especially of animals, is inhumane and bad for the environment. But nothing is going to prevent the coming of fourth density. The current situation is sad but not apocalyptic. On the positive side: More people are choosing to purchase organic, biodynamic and 100% grass fed beef and bison. I have been careful in my food choices for decades.

While making such choices is a step forward from commercially farmed meat and dairy animals, I don't see the necessity of it at all.

I don't mean to be difficult, but why is it so hard to imagine a world without using animals for food? What is so crazy about a plant-based diet? It would solve SO MANY problems for humanity and the planet, aside from the compassion it would show to our second density friends.

Can anyone come up with one GOOD reason to continue farming animals for food?

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Regarding 4th density: Who thinks that a density of compassion would include killing animals for food, when it isn't necessary? And if it makes sense that 4th density would not include killing animals for food, then why not stop supporting that system now?  

[Ray711]

While making such choices is a step forward from commercially farmed meat and dairy animals, I don't see the necessity of it at all.

I don't mean to be difficult, but why is it so hard to imagine a world without using animals for food? What is so crazy about a plant-based diet? It would solve SO MANY problems for humanity and the planet, aside from the compassion it would show to our second density friends.

Can anyone come up with one GOOD reason to continue farming animals for food?

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Regarding 4th density: Who thinks that a density of compassion would include killing animals for food, when it isn't necessary? And if it makes sense that 4th density would not include killing animals for food, then why not stop supporting that system now?  

I don't mean to take away from the notion that a plant-based diet entails, in general, less suffering, but I feel it's important to point out that plants are living, second density entities as well.

The way I see it, third density was very deliberately designed so that pain is unavoidable. This is so to a point where complex life doesn't seem to be able to exist without sustaining itself at the expense of other life forms. I believe the intention of this was to make both polarities look viable. Those who want to embrace the STS side have plenty of "objective proof" to believe in the notion of survival of the fittest, whereas those of the STO path have their own things to look at when pointing out the importance of compassion and love. Both paths have to seem viable to one who has not yet made the choice.

I don't believe absolute compassion becomes automatic upon entering fourth density. I think that point is reached more towards the end of that density. Ra saying that early 4th density entities still believe in battling negative entities seems to imply a lack of compassion at least for those of the negative path; a compassion that is learned as the social memory complex further learns the intricacies of love. The eating habits of 4th density might be a reflection of the same thing. Whether they eat (as Ra says) with "increased communion between entity and living foodstuff", they are still existing at the expense of other lifeforms, it would seem. Moving towards the producing of the 5th density broth that Ra told us about, thus being able to sustain oneself completely, without doing so at the expense of other lifeforms (very much like those yogis which seem to sustain themselves exclusively from the energy they get meditating, if we believe in that), might just be the product of having fully learned the lessons of love, I'm thinking.

[Navaratna]

I understand why people feel strongly about farming, but I wonder what the opinion is on killing insects that eat our crops for example. And roaches and rats that infest homes. how about all the cats which kill thousands of living things that we are responsible for but the Egyptians held as sacred. Do we kill them all? I think it's odd that we hold ourselves to standards we can't possibly hold other animals to. I agree that larger animals such as cows with large brains shouldn't be farmed but trying to take away the livelihoods of people who have been ranchers forcefully is going to be a very difficult task. you can dedicate your life to it if you want but I don't think it's really the focus of spreading service to others which is spreading self-realization.

[Diana]

I don't mean to take away from the notion that a plant-based diet entails, in general, less suffering, but I feel it's important to point out that plants are living, second density entities as well.

Yes, very true. However, there are countless posts (I will post one below) on these forums that point out the differences between plant and animal life, if it matters to anyone how much suffering is caused.

The way I see it, third density was very deliberately designed so that pain is unavoidable. This is so to a point where complex life doesn't seem to be able to exist without sustaining itself at the expense of other life forms. I believe the intention of this was to make both polarities look viable. Those who want to embrace the STS side have plenty of "objective proof" to believe in the notion of survival of the fittest, whereas those of the STO path have their own things to look at when pointing out the importance of compassion and love. Both paths have to seem viable to one who has not yet made the choice.

Making both polarities available is for 3rd density beings only. So why cause pain to other life forms? I think we have enough pain to go around for humans only to satisfy polarity concerns. This is what we know: animals have nervous systems like we do so we know they feel pain; plants do not have nervous systems like we do. More below.

I don't believe absolute compassion becomes automatic upon entering fourth density. I think that point is reached more towards the end of that density. Ra saying that early 4th density entities still believe in battling negative entities seems to imply a lack of compassion at least for those of the negative path; a compassion that is learned as the social memory complex further learns the intricacies of love. The eating habits of 4th density might be a reflection of the same thing. Whether they eat (as Ra says) with "increased communion between entity and living foodstuff", they are still existing at the expense of other lifeforms, it would seem. Moving towards the producing of the 5th density broth that Ra told us about, thus being able to sustain oneself completely, without doing so at the expense of other lifeforms (very much like those yogis which seem to sustain themselves exclusively from the energy they get meditating, if we believe in that), might just be the product of having fully learned the lessons of love, I'm thinking.

So are you okay with just waiting around through countless incarnations to get to the end of 4th density when you can finally be compassionate?

For my part, I care about not causing needless suffering. I care about other life forms. I must eat at this point, and it seems to me, from any angle you approach it, plant-based is better than animal-based when it comes to compassion, health, the environment, starvation, and so on.

Here is one of the first posts I made here in 2011, now relegated to a closed thread. There are many better posts made on the subject explaining all sorts of stats and details and knowledge about plants and animals. This one was easy for me to dig up:

Clordio Wrote:  
I am very conflicted on the issue of eating meat I would very much like to begin a dialogue as to why one should not or should be able to consume meat.

Diana Wrote:  
I would like to respond to your inquiries about eating meat, and your observation that plants have life which should be respected too.

I agree that all life should be respected. Then, the problem remains, as we exist in 3-D and must consume food until we evolve to something higher, what do we eat?

An animal has a strong instinct for survival, even when hunted in a natural environment. It experiences terror when chased by predators. This fear is only a fraction of what farm animals feel when taken to slaughter because they are trapped and cannot even run. Just considering the physical results of this fear and terror--release of hormones, adrenaline, fight-or-fight response--it is unwise to consume the meat as you will be ingesting these hormones too, which the animal's body has manufactured. Also, you cannot cut a leg off an animal without killing it.

You can, however, prune a plant and cut off leaves without killing it. You can harvest vegetables without killing the plant. Many plants "want" animals to eat them as it is their way of spreading seed and propagating. Fruit falls off trees, vines, and bushes to be eaten by animals so that the seeds can be spread. It seems obvious that it is less cruel to consume the life force from plants, rather than animals.

I agree with one of the posts here, that the Native American way of thanking the animal ceremonially is best if one has to consume meat. But does anyone HAVE to eat meat? Why not touch the world more lightly, more gently, and be healthier in the process?

You might think of the issue this way:

Imagine the most Utopian future world you can. What would it be like? Perhaps at that point consuming anything but air and sunlight would be all we need? Draw a straight line from where we are now to that future world. Now start taking steps along that line.

It can also be noted that plants are more akin to light, since photosynthesis is how they survive. So if one considers the ambrosia Ra speaks of, which to me is some kind of liquid light, then plants, rather than animals would be much closer to it, possibly rendering certain benefits to do with light. This, as opposed to eating dead animals or the dairy products obtained by suffering and torture (unless you are out in the backyard milking your own cow—but even then, her milk is for her offspring).

[Diana]

I understand why people feel strongly about farming, but I wonder what the opinion is on killing insects that eat our crops for example. And roaches and rats that infest homes. how about all the cats which kill thousands of living things that we are responsible for but the Egyptians held as sacred. Do we kill them all? I think it's odd that we hold ourselves to standards we can't possibly hold other animals to. I agree that larger animals such as cows with large brains shouldn't be farmed but trying to take away the livelihoods of people who have been ranchers forcefully is going to be a very difficult task. you can dedicate your life to it if you want but I don't think it's really the focus of spreading service to others which is spreading self-realization.

I am not talking to ranchers on this site. I am here with other "spiritually" minded people, who have read the Ra Material and are interested in the LOO.

Killing insects on crops—no. Organic farming, for example, focuses on the health of the soil which makes the plants healthier thereby making them less (or not) susceptible to insects.

Killing cockroaches and rats and all so-called pests in homes—no. There are ways of dealing with them that don't involve killing/maiming.

Service to others is not just for humans. This universe is not just for humans. The LOO is not just for humans.

[AnthroHeart]

I understand why people feel strongly about farming, but I wonder what the opinion is on killing insects that eat our crops for example. And roaches and rats that infest homes. how about all the cats which kill thousands of living things that we are responsible for but the Egyptians held as sacred. Do we kill them all? I think it's odd that we hold ourselves to standards we can't possibly hold other animals to. I agree that larger animals such as cows with large brains shouldn't be farmed but trying to take away the livelihoods of people who have been ranchers forcefully is going to be a very difficult task. you can dedicate your life to it if you want but I don't think it's really the focus of spreading service to others which is spreading self-realization.

I am not talking to ranchers on this site. I am here with other "spiritually" minded people, who have read the Ra Material and are interested in the LOO.

Killing insects on crops—no. Organic farming, for example, focuses on the health of the soil which makes the plants healthier thereby making them less (or not) susceptible to insects.

Killing cockroaches and rats and all so-called pests in homes—no. There are ways of dealing with them that don't involve killing/maiming.

Service to others is not just for humans. This universe is not just for humans. The LOO is not just for humans.

When I had a problem with junebugs I asked Metatron to help take care of them and keep them out.

You can also talk to the Diva of a certain insect species.

[Navaratna]

I get that it's not only for humans but what about cats for example. They eat so many animals and are invasive. We are responsible for domesticating and bringing them to different continents. what do we do about the cat infestations when they're making so many species go extinct without killing millions of cats? I'm not being overly critical I really just wonder how a person can expect to follow the Law of One perfectly if someone had a termite infestation in their house. This reminds me of something I read recently in a Seth book where he describes how humans have fanatical attitudes in their sureness about the value of life. we experiment on mice and rabbits for example because we consider them lesser life-forms but the truth is that if everything is conscious and if a life-form develop self-reflection then there is nothing but blind sureness when we assume that the mind of a small animal is worth less than a human mind. But we don't care. many people justify it because they assume that a human's life is just more valuable because they're more intelligent or something. This entire post sounds like a contradiction but I often think of how people care about animals like pandas and cows but we don't care about the smaller or ugly animals that go extinct like slugs and frogs even though they're just as necessary for a healthy environment. an individual can stop eating meat but like I said if you stopped and the demand goes down then it becomes more affordable for somebody else. maybe the principle is correct but there's controversy about if it's even right for humans to be completely vegan from a nutritional standpoint.

[Diana]

I get that it's not only for humans but what about cats for example. They eat so many animals and are invasive. We are responsible for domesticating and bringing them to different continents. what do we do about the cat infestations when they're making so many species go extinct without killing millions of cats? I'm not being overly critical I really just wonder how a person can expect to follow the Law of One perfectly if someone had a termite infestation in their house. This reminds me of something I read recently in a Seth book where he describes how humans have fanatical attitudes and their sureness about the value of life. we experiment on mice and rabbits for example because we consider them lesser life-forms but the truth is that if everything is conscious and if a life-form develop self-reflection then there is nothing but blind sureness that the mind of a small animal is worth less than a human mind. But we don't care. many people justify it because they assume that a human's life is just more valuable because they're more intelligent or something.

There are many things we could begin to do. Firstly, stop all experimentation on animals: if humans want to choose to be a part of a trial that's fine, but leave the poor rabbits and mice etc. alone. Stop creating zoos and fish aquariums, and all entertainment using animals (circus, etc.). Stop developing land for humans (including cutting down the rain forests) and leave environments for plant and animal life. Stop commercial animal factory farms. Stop doing things such as fracking, "controlled burns," using the oceans as dump sites, and other human-centric actions.

Act like caretakers of this world rather than plunderers. 

As an individual, it is all about choices. If you have a choice between buying an apple and buying a plastic container of applesauce, a better choice is the apple (for a list of reasons). 

The cat problem you speak of would have to be resolved naturally I think as we make changes, and allow the ecosystem to find some balance after all the damage we have caused.

[Navaratna]

Those are good ideas but when I think of a place like Brazil for example people seem to get so worked up over the rainforest yet don't care so much about the quality of life about the people that live there even when the number of homicides there is pretty tragic. People cut down the forest and make cattle ranches to ease poverty so that they arent as desperate and thuggish. Sustainable jobs like picking macadamia nuts don't pay people enough to live decently. It's all very sad but just goes back to how the problem is the way that humans think and if there were a lot of people who experience self-realization they'd have a more gentle attitude but there are a lot of obstacles in sharing that such as the churches. bring it up with people and watch their response. Is the rainforest or the quality of life of people in a Brazilian slum more valuable? It's like a trick question. I think people have more empathy for the environment because it doesn't commit "sin" like people do. Yet at the same time I think most people would rather watch a tree burn than a person burn.

[Black Dragon]

Mostly, it's the economic system that keeps us from making any real progress in the area of resource management. It's having sociopaths in control of our governments and corporations. We first have to learn how to detect then and get rid of them, perhaps with brain scans or just with people knowing what traits to look for. I'm not necessarily saying execute them, but marginalize them. Somebody who is provenly incapable of empathy should not be able to live or work in such a way as to have any impact/influence on or power over any aspect of the lives of other people or of animals in any way. This is step one in actually being able to fix things. They should be registered like a sex offender. I've heard of highly advanced 3d planet that's tweaked it's magnetic field to block all STS sociopaths from even being able to incarnate into their population. That would be a good endgame to consider.

Once those people are removed from power/marginalized, we can start a process that will take a while and be bumpy. With the current system, there is profit in production itself, never mind if the products are lost in transit or spoil on shelves unused, which at least 40% of solids and 80% of milk do. Change this factor, and move away from profit being made simply on entropy. Eliminate over production and large industrialization, and have everything(that can) made fresh and local, and delivered fast and efficient. There won't be any getting everyone to instantly stop eating meat, and you won't be able to strong arm people into it by law, so that process begins with outlawing things that are expressly cruel and industrialized, and allowing only more humane systems like Kosher farms and similar things to exist until they fade out of popularity and use altogether naturally.

Once you get the ball rolling, and spread awareness and good alternatives to meat, its mainstream popularity over the generations will decline and it will be a "niche" thing in certain small communities, something  quaint and backwards like certain tribal customs, until it eventually just phases out altogether. Experimentation and lab testing on animals should be outlawed entirely. There are frequencies that can be emitted by devices that are harmless but annoying/off putting to pest animals.

Other things are obvious-it's long past time we got off of fossil fuels and petroleum based products and found better ways of recycling and dealing with waste. Large scale cultivation of hemp would make biodegradable plastics, fabrics, paper, and much more without petroleum or cutting down trees. Gasses from decomposing garbage and sewage can be used to power generators and create electricity if landfills and sewers were run optimally and filled only with biodegradable things. We should have some sort of zero point energy, but even without that, there's tons of more basic ways just with current tech to produce electricity and fuels.

I've thought about a lot of these things. There's a lot of answers that are quite logical and simple and don't even require any quantum "Tesla tech", but all of them seem like "fairy tails" or impossible to implement without overturning the current system, and if one has accepted being ruled by sociopaths as an immutable "given"(the term "learned helplessness" comes to mind).

[Navaratna]

I've thought at times that you could be the most correct person in the world and still.. it doesn't mean people are going to follow your truth. Also if the global society was a democracy in its truest sense than Christians and Muslims will just be able to vote people out of power who didn't want to submit to a caliphate or the Vatican. Religion is a much bigger problem than people generally admit. Ive spoken to Christians who have absolutely zero respect for the environment because they think that God made Man in his image and respecting the environment is practically heresy because man rules over it, therefore should not have to honor it.

[flofrog]

Reading this thread makes it so evident that this present system is just not right. Something so well described into podcast 92.

Will Covid and other catalysts are here to help reduce population ? Are we too many ? How can we come back to a local agrarian system able to feed simply people locally ? Shall we need food in 4th density ? How do we take care of hunger right now ? How can we help dismantle slowly industrial farming so that those workers depending on it find other means of living ?

[Diana]

Certainly, the single most important element is the evolution of consciousness for humans, as exemplified by the destruction of Atlantis, where technology and consciousness were out of synch.

Is the rainforest or the quality of life of people in a Brazilian slum more valuable? It's like a trick question. I think people have more empathy for the environment because it doesn't commit "sin" like people do. Yet at the same time I think most people would rather watch a tree burn than a person burn.

Sadly, this is true for most people. At a certain point, or maybe it's just me, this changes, and witnessing suffering isn't more or less painful whether it's people or a forest with animals and tress and other life forms. People being more concerned with people is a natural, "tribal" feeling, which I think is a carry-over from 2nd density and the need to survive depended upon herd integrity.

Mostly, it's the economic system that keeps us from making any real progress in the area of resource management. It's having sociopaths in control of our governments and corporations. We first have to learn how to detect then and get rid of them, perhaps with brain scans or just with people knowing what traits to look for. I'm not necessarily saying execute them, but marginalize them. Somebody who is provenly incapable of empathy should not be able to live or work in such a way as to have any impact/influence on or power over any aspect of the lives of other people or of animals in any way. This is step one in actually being able to fix things. They should be registered like a sex offender. I've heard of highly advanced 3d planet that's tweaked it's magnetic field to block all STS sociopaths from even being able to incarnate into their population. That would be a good endgame to consider.

There is a novel from the 80s which I love called 2150, in which the future society keeps the "unevolved" people on a protected island where they can only harm each other and not the environment, societies, or other life. They are free to leave whenever they want. Part of the plot involves bringing a person forward to that society from the "past."

That book spawned a group called the Macro Society.

Once those people are removed from power/marginalized, we can start a process that will take a while and be bumpy. With the current system, there is profit in production itself, never mind if the products are lost in transit or spoil on shelves unused, which at least 40% of solids and 80% of milk do. Change this factor, and move away from profit being made simply on entropy. Eliminate over production and large industrialization, and have everything(that can) made fresh and local, and delivered fast and efficient. There won't be any getting everyone to instantly stop eating meat, and you won't be able to strong arm people into it by law, so that process begins with outlawing things that are expressly cruel and industrialized, and allowing only more humane systems like Kosher farms and similar things to exist until they fade out of popularity and use altogether naturally.

After the UN made its statement that survival depends on going to a plant-based diet for the planet, it wouldn't be surprising that if we keep going in the direction of destroying the natural resources on this planet laws would be put into place as a last-ditch effort. 

Going to a plant-based diet for the world would solve world hunger (as far as what we can produce to eat) and eliminate the largest source of greenhouse gases, aside from the idea that animals are not being used and abused.

Kosher processes are not humane, by the way. But I get your point. There must be a transitional period, wherein respect for life other than human and the health of the planet are taken into consideration, while human society adjusts. It might be taken into consideration, though, that there is much hunger and ill health in the world as it is now. I think it would be worse for those who are in power and those who are fairly well off comparatively who don't want to give up their preferences and addictions.  

A note about world hunger: while it's true we could feed the world by stopping animal agriculture and cultivating plant-based crops, there is still the problem, as you have pointed out, of the profit-driven, predatory industries which must be addressed.

There are frequencies that can be emitted by devices that are harmless but annoying/off putting to pest animals.

Also, strobe lights, such as in an infested attic space, or lighting in general. There are humane traps such as Havahart. And there are companies now that come to your property and do all the work—shore up entrance point; remove the animals (including rattlesnakes) and relocate them.

Other things are obvious-it's long past time we got off of fossil fuels and petroleum based products and found better ways of recycling and dealing with waste. Large scale cultivation of hemp would make biodegradable plastics, fabrics, paper, and much more without petroleum or cutting down trees. Gasses from decomposing garbage and sewage can be used to power generators and create electricity if landfills and sewers were run optimally and filled only with biodegradable things. We should have some sort of zero point energy, but even without that, there's tons of more basic ways just with current tech to produce electricity and fuels.

I couldn't agree more.

I've thought about a lot of these things. There's a lot of answers that are quite logical and simple and don't even require any quantum "Tesla tech", but all of them seem like "fairy tails" or impossible to implement without overturning the current system, and if one has accepted being ruled by sociopaths as an immutable "given"(the term "learned helplessness" comes to mind).

And therein lies one of the obstacles. It's not just our corrupt politicians who make it into high-tranking governing offices, it's also the brainwashed and anesthetized public addicted to the media. 

When I had a problem with junebugs I asked Metatron to help take care of them and keep them out.

You can also talk to the Diva of a certain insect species.

What was the result of talking to Metatron? 

[AnthroHeart]

When I had a problem with junebugs I asked Metatron to help take care of them and keep them out.

You can also talk to the Diva of a certain insect species.

What was the result of talking to Metatron? 

Oh yeah, it actually worked. I would have 8 or so come in every night through my open window.

It didn't have a screen and my AC was broke, in the summer.

Day after, maybe one came in, and then none. I would always catch them and release them out back.
I looked up ways to trap them, but all of them had you kill them and I was like "not going to do that."
All 8 of them would dive bomb me until I caught them. This went on about a week before I asked Metatron to help.

I don't talk to Metatron anymore though because he has given me false information.
I can lower temperature I feel by 10-20 degrees just with my own mind/field, so I could probably take care of the junebugs
on my own nowadays anyway using magick of sorts.

[Diana]

Oh yeah, it actually worked. I would have 8 or so come in every night through my open window.

It didn't have a screen and my AC was broke, in the summer.

Day after, maybe one came in, and then none. I would always catch them and release them out back.
I looked up ways to trap them, but all of them had you kill them and I was like "not going to do that."
All 8 of them would dive bomb me until I caught them. This went on about a week before I asked Metatron to help.

That's awesome, GCS.