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    Thread: There are two types of understanding, lexical and factual


    Sunclarity (Offline)

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    #1
    08-06-2020, 06:25 PM
    I've heard countless times, including from myself, that understanding was present. I thought it was because the words used by me and those I talked to seemed to reflect that. For instance, we all say alcohol, cigarettes and junk food are detrimental to our health. Yet, most consume one of those. Why? If we understood for real that it led to pain, we would at the same understand that which led to joy, and understanding that, we would feel joy and do only the things that brought it to us.

    Thus, we don't understand for real, or factually, but to say we don't understand at all seems inaccurate for, if we didn't understand at all, we wouldn't be able to use words in order to describe it. This whole situation can then explained in terms of levels or types of understanding. One allows one to talk about it, to use words, the other allows one to actually feel and know. I can put this in another way. Imagine you memorized a book on advanced physics but didn't understand it. You memorized well though, so you are able to answer any questions through words.

    But you don't understand. It's just music or poetry with no meaning behind. Lexical knowing is like that. Factual lets you aply and may or not involve lexical. I don't write this to discuss. If you think I am wrong, I will do no efforts to prove myself right.

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    Navaratna (Offline)

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    08-06-2020, 09:03 PM
    This reminds me of something I read where if people were to use the scientific method as their own tool--for example analyzing an apple with only robotic arms and cameras but without their senses, then they wouldn't have a real clue about what it would mean to eat the apple

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    Asolsutsesvyl Away

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    08-11-2020, 07:10 PM
    Much can be said on this topic through drawing upon the Fourth Way teaching. That's where I've found a clear systematizing of this type of division, and its role in making things confused and development difficult for humanity.

    A simpler version divides thinking into "formation" and "formulation". The "formatory apparatus" comes with the physical brain, and is a fast-moving symbol-wrangler which handles superficial "understanding" in language and categories. A different mind, belonging to the deeper essence people come with, can "formulate" in a type of idiosyncratic form-producing thinking which goes deeper.

    The formatory apparatus, and all its thinking, is all physical brain and culture, and dies in total when people die. By contrast, the deeper essence-mind can in principle survive physical death. In other words, all the words and superficial understanding evaporates like smoke when people die, leaving them with whatever existed beneath that linguistic veil. Some have little of substance there, others mainly lived behind that veil, whether they consciously knew it or not.

    (Note that this is simplified. The Fourth Way teaching is tricky to summarize accurately.)

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