An Ethical Delimma

[Brittany]

I would greatly appreciate you guy's imput on the situation I have recently found myself in.

I suppose before I get into the actual situation, I should explain how things work at my job at the grocery store, and what has contributed to this situation arising.

Basically, at my job, if you are a full time employee you are guaranteed 40 hours of work a week, you get higher pay and frequent raises and you get full benefits. Part time employees get whatever hours are left, top out on their pay after a few years and get rather meager, tentative benefits. To put it bluntly, part time people take it up the butt with no lube. Full time positions are very hard to come by, however, and the average wait to gain full time is usually around 5 years.

If a full time position does open, it can be claimed by order of seniority. Pretty much everything in the part time world operates out of seniority. If you've been there longer than another part time employee, you are considered superior to them, and all the best perks go to the people who have been there the longest, regardless of their performance (or lack thereof).

Leading me to our current crisis. Upper management has been making budget cuts right and left, causing our store manager to severely cut back the hours available in the store. It is even worse due to the fact that it is the beginning of the year, and there are always fewer hours available when things slow down after the new year. For the past month it has been a struggle for me to get the kind of hours I need to pay the bills, but I've scraped and begged and loaned myself out to other departments enough to get by.

Now, however, a woman who has worked at the store for 35 years (and therefore has me completely trumped in seniority) has been told her job is being eliminated and she's being shoved into our department, meaning that the few hours left to part time employees in the department have been sucked dry. When I looked at next week's schedule, I was only scheduled for one day, and it wasn't even a full 8 hour day.

Hours in all the other departments are getting rolled back as well, so it isn't as easy to just loan myself out anymore, and it's getting harder and harder to pull in even 20 hours a week (I need at least 30 to be in a stable financial situation.)

There is, however, one way that all this could be fixed. In our store it is commonly referred to as "rolling" (also "bumping", "stealing" and "claiming"). Any part time employee, if they do not receive 40 hours in a given week, can "roll" the hours of an employee with lower seniority than them- basically, steal their hours. You can steal any number of hours, as long as you don't go over 40 hours yourself.

I'm by no means at the top of the seniority totem pole at my job, but I've been there for a while, a lot longer than quite a few people. There would certainly be hours that I could claim, and I could even pick exactly which days I wanted to work.

The downside of this, obviously, is that I can't think of a more STS thing to do than to steal someone else's job for myself. I am not fond of the idea of keeping other people from making a living, even if I was just siphoning off a few hours from several people and it likely wouldn't make a huge difference. However, I have bills to pay and a family to support. So who do I serve? My family or my coworkers? Which is the lesser of 2 evils?

I am trying my hardest to go full time and be done with the mess, but right now such things are even more difficult than usual. I've also been looking on and off for another job for quite some time, but there's practically nothing available that would both pay enough and be compatible with the schedule I keep outside of work. I even tried a while back to take a minimum wage job because I wanted out of the madness so badly, but I quickly realized that it just wasn't enough money to go on. There's just no getting around the fact that both my husband and I have to work in order to keep things going, especially since he frequently gets laid off. As much as I'd like to just say "Screw it, I quit!" and sit at home, that just isn't an option.

So what should I do? Steal hours? Watch the bills pile up? There seems to be no winner in this situation. If anyone has a suggestion, I'd be more than happy to hear it.

[Peregrinus]

I know the feeling. I work with three other people. Each of them makes a healthy wage, and they have cut back on my contracts (so that I have had income of only $500 in December and $500 in January), even though I support and do my very best for these others, going so far as to be the one that provides coffee, water for that coffee, and typically makes lunch (out of my own meager pocket) for the other three, working 40 to 60 hour weeks. If I were in the position of one of these three, I would happily take a pay cut so as to help... unfortunately, people, even good ones, always look out for their own best interests first, the advantage, for that is programmed into the mind. I accept this, and trust The Creator to continue to look after me and provide for my needs, whatever they may be. Abundance would be nice, but the catalyst of lack, provided to the many right now, is unfortunately a shared catalyst.

No matter what others do, ethics requires you do what is right. All change must begin with the self. You know what to do in your heart.

[Sacred Fool]

I wonder if this is a case of having to balance Love with Wisdom?

Given love for both your fellow laborers and your family, is it wise to allow one to have 40 hours wages plus benefits and the others benefit from only 8 hours wages?

[fairyfarmgirl]

I would start looking for a new job. This is a time to create a job that is more in alignment with your life contract. There could be karmic consequences to rolling over another employee at your job... may be, may be not... And in the end you may or may not feel like you need to continously scrub in the shower...

Agreed financial challenges push one to be creative... and that is good. Use the push to be creative to move forward into something that you do wish to do not to stay in the same place.

None of this helps the immediate.


Bright Blessings to you, Ahktu!

--elizabeth

[rva_jeremy]

I'm sure you realize that nobody can tell you what the right thing to do in this situation is, and that that's not what you seek here anyway. You're looking for ways to think of the situation that can give you a sense that it is possible to "do the right thing".

That said, this is the kind of bind those who control the business, political, educational, and other institutions put individuals in so that we only think about our interests on their terms. They come up with rules and say, hey, look - we're just enforcing the rules floating out there in the platonic ethers! It's not US forcing you to make an impossible choice! We're just the messengers!

I don't want to seem callous towards your situation, but... have you thought about talking to your co-workers and seeing how they feel about this? There is power in numbers. Be VERY careful if you go down this road, but collective bargaining is a great way to renegotiate the terms between employees and employers.

If this is something you'd be interested in, see if you have an International Workers of the World (IWW) chapter nearby. They can help you figure out how to go about determining the actions you can take to both protect your job and exert a bit more influence in how the terms of the job are negotiated.

Of course, this is a big step and dangerous, but it would be one way you could balance service to your family with service to your co-workers.

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Also, I'd suggest you make looking for a new job your job when you don't have hours at the store. No sense putting all your eggs in any basket. This is spoken by somebody who's lost a ton of jobs over the past few years.

[fairyfarmgirl]

I know the feeling. I work with three other people. Each of them makes a healthy wage, and they have cut back on my contracts (so that I have had income of only $500 in December and $500 in January), even though I support and do my very best for these others, going so far as to be the one that provides coffee, water for that coffee, and typically makes lunch (out of my own meager pocket) for the other three, working 40 to 60 hour weeks. If I were in the position of one of these three, I would happily take a pay cut so as to help... unfortunately, people, even good ones, always look out for their own best interests first, the advantage, for that is programmed into the mind. I accept this, and trust The Creator to continue to look after me and provide for my needs, whatever they may be. Abundance would be nice, but the catalyst of lack, provided to the many right now, is unfortunately a shared catalyst.

No matter what others do, ethics requires you do what is right. All change must begin with the self. You know what to do in your heart.

Pere--
Have you ever heard of the story called Stone Soup. This is a tale that teaches one how to create community and teach others to share.

The dialogue could (and I have done this before) go like this:

"Stone Soup is what I am making for lunch. mmm... it tastes a little bland!" (with incredulity.. what am I to do)

They answer, " Wow it does smell a little bland. What do you think you need to add to it?"

" Really, you think it smells bland? Huh? You know, I would be ever so happy to add some carrots and celery to this soup I just need 5.00 to do so? " I would say.

Exit and go to the store. Come back and complete the now boiling stone soup.

Exclaim with Glee, "Boy this stone soup sure is smelling great! " And ask aloud: "Is there anyone with some salt and pepper? I think the scent of pepper would be so good with this stone soup!" Usually someone in the office will open their desk drawer and discover a bottle of hot sauce or pepper.

Serve the Stone Soup.

Repeat the scene for each lunch.

I bless you with Love!

--fairyfarmgirl

[Lorna]

ahktu what skills do you have? can you garden? do diy? do you have any personal care experience? do you have any expertise in any type of products - could you set up a specialist online shop for example?

there are always opportunities to be creative in your working life, as ffg said, and to be the creator of a work situation that is right for you and your lifestyle. and i speak from experience having done exactly that and have now created a job for my self that is exactly perfect. i'm not saying it was easy or that i've been rolling in cash - quite the opposite - but this path has always provided enough for me, no matter what demands life threw in my path, my income fluctuated in such a way that it has ALWAYS matched my need.

my experience with the world of employment was that obstacle after obstacle was put in my way so that i had little choice but to create my own job / business. i have never been able to compromise my ethics or to change who i am in order to fit in at work.

i have noticed a similar path for loved ones - when they're done with some aspect of their life barrier after barrier, often heartbreaking catalyst, comes along to shove them on the path that is the right one for them.

raise your gaze and look around and see what opportunities the universe might place in your path.

you are not a victim of your employment situation, there are always opportunities if you seek them out

[Bring4th_Austin]

I think this is a struggle many "part-timers" with bills can relate to.

In a case like this, I feel it would be best to listen to your heart. If you can't hear it, try sitting in silence for some time and ask for help. As with everything we go through in life, there's an underlying "energetic" reason for the situation you're in, and while there might not seem to be a right or wrong answer, there is always a lesson to help yourself grow.

Have you tried consulting with your higher self? There may be alternative options here you cannot perceive until consulting with the higher realms, however you choose to do that (if you even choose to).

I send you my love and intention, and hope that you may find the solution which allows for most harmony in your life.

[Confused]

Dear ahktu, thank you for this wonderful post. This is by far one of the best I have read on the forums. Absolutely no one can tell you what to do in this case, in my opinion.

I am not saying that in terms of our normal LOO fare of 'freewill'. I am saying it out of realization of the power of circumstances in life. But whatever choice you make, I am sure that most people here would love and appreciate you, just as usual with absolutely no judgments attached.

Best wishes to you, dear traveler on the path.

[Lavazza]

Without making any judgment for or against any outcome myself, I'd submit that an easy way to consider your action here is to imagine how you would feel if someone with higher seniority than yourself did precisely the same thing and took hours from you. If you would feel cheated in some way, then I would not advise you do it yourself. If you would feel understanding towards that person, then maybe it's something you can consider doing too.

It is a bit of a moral choice, eh? Something I've come to realize is that just because something is legal (or permissible) doesn't make it right or wrong per se.. what makes it so is your personal feeling in the matter. This is especially true in moral circumstances.

For myself personally, I wouldn't put any energy in to this dilemma / decision. I'd focus that energy on finding a new job that can fulfill my employment needs! I would also assume that this problem had been created as an opportunity for me to find greener pastures. Often I notice that what at first appears to be a bad situation results in a better one than I had before. Case in point- we (my small family and I) just moved in to a new house, because our landlord at the old house raised the rent. That was stressful at first, because I didn't want to move.. and moving is a ton of work. But now we find ourselves in a MUCH better house and neighborhood... I took the raised rent as a sign to move, and I'm glad we did because it really paid off.

[Brittany]

Thanks everyone, for the replies. As I said, I have been searching some time for a new job, but with no college degree and a limited schedule there just aren't many openings, and the few that exist are in similar jobs that would put me in the same boat as I'm in now, only making less money. That was what happened the last time I tried to switch jobs. Still, I keep looking. I wish I could find a job in art...all I really want to do is make comic books for a living. If only that industry wasn't a total bust right now...

I'm so tired of my job being something I hate, that I slave away at to pay the bills. I know it sounds bad, but a lot of jobs I don't even want to look into because they sound ridiculously boring or stupid or something I'm just not interested in in the least. When I tell people I like to write they tell me I should write advertisements or articles, or when I say I can draw they say I should design product logos or something like that, and it just sounds awful. Aside from the fact that most of those types of jobs require degrees I don't have, all I want to do is write science fiction and make comic books, not write about and design stuff I don't even care about. I hate this looming responsibility to do something I hate all day because I'm obligated to help pay the bills, even though what I really want to do makes no money. I feel bad not applying to jobs I know I would despise, but every time I consider another boring, crap job, it makes me feel like I'm locked in a cage with no way out.

I really wish I hadn't of flunked out of college...for all you young kids out there, don't be like me. Stay in school. Graduate college. A high school degree just isn't enough any more.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I really wish I hadn't of flunked out of college...for all you young kids out there, don't be like me. Stay in school. Graduate college. A high school degree just isn't enough any more.

I am a firm believer that the so-called "security blanket" of a college degree and a "normal life" are not the path for everyone. You can support yourself and your family doing something you love, but it is a process of following your heart and trusting what you feel rather than what you think. Getting in touch with your heart and your higher self will allow doorways in your life to open you never could have imagined.

[Ankh]

This might be your current path of service, as Jeremy said. Make something of it if you feel for it.

Regarding your immediate situation. Take two days off thinking about it. The first day imagine that you allready made one choice. Live in that choice, fully. The second day you "make another choice". Don't think like "no I can't do this" during these days, just live in it, as you've allready made the choice.

There are also one passive magic method to do it, but it needs a lot of faith and trust from you. Sit down in a chair. The best way to do it is after the sunset and when you are alone/undisturbed. You need to live in that fully and concentrate. Look at a chair next to you or across you and imagine that Someone sitting in that chair listnening to you. Someone who has the power to help you. Trust that and trust that Entity. Then you explain your ethical dilemma in a full detail. Remember that these Powers often do not listen that much to your words as to your thoughts. And as you explaining everything to It you uncover all your thoughts to your own consciousness, so it won't be any surprises later when you said one thing but thought something else and result was not quite as you expected it. But this method is on the other hand pretty "safe". Anyway, when you are done explaining everything (mostly to your consciousness) you ask humble for help. Explain that you can't make first or the second choice, and therefore you give up and trust that someone will help you. Don't forget to thank the Entity! Good advice in every situation like this is ending the contact by saying something like this: "When my wish will come true I don't want anyone to be deprived, or hurted, or caused any other disharmony". After that you can forget about it, but every time these thoughts cross your mind you have to put all your trust that your situation will be resolved. And you have to give up fighting, when trusting Higher Powers. Don't know if it might be something for you...?

[Confused]

I'm so tired of my job being something I hate, that I slave away at to pay the bills.

This is extracted from the LOO 95.24 -

The seeker which has purely chosen the service-to-others path shall certainly not have a variant apparent incarnational experience. There is no outward shelter in your illusion from the gusts, flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.

Incidentally, magic may flow from these forums itself. Someone reading your post could be a rich businessperson who decides to offer you a good job. May be we can have a community of LOO job candidates and recruiters :exclamation:

[Monica]

There have been a few occasions in my life in which I learned a very valuable principle that then served other occasions. The first time was when I thought I was pregnant, and having another baby so soon after nearly dying with the first one wasn't an option. But neither was abortion an option. I was faced with 2 equally unacceptable options.

The profound lesson I learned was that there is a very potent magickal energy that comes into play, when we refuse both unacceptable options. This creates a void of energy which then attracts a new, powerful, creative energy. A 3rd option is born!

The way it works is to remain firm in your conviction that neither option is acceptable (in this case, the 2 options being stealing hours from others, or not meeting the needs of your family), while, at the same time, sending a very strong message to the UniVerse, to your Higher Self, that you require and desire a solution that is in alignment with your highest principles, and will be beneficial for all other-selves involved. In other words, you reject the win-lose (either of the first 2 options someone wins and someone loses), and create a win-win.

The first time I realized this, I suddenly was no longer pregnant. I have used this other times in which new solutions miraculously appeared.

As Q'uo has told us, we are more powerful than we realize. Your Higher Self, being your future Self, knows the solution and will manifest it for you, if you reach out and trust.

In the meantime, my suggestion is to remember to take a deep breath, and find the love in the present moment!

Hugs

[fairyfarmgirl]

Thanks everyone, for the replies. As I said, I have been searching some time for a new job, but with no college degree and a limited schedule there just aren't many openings, and the few that exist are in similar jobs that would put me in the same boat as I'm in now, only making less money. That was what happened the last time I tried to switch jobs. Still, I keep looking. I wish I could find a job in art...all I really want to do is make comic books for a living. If only that industry wasn't a total bust right now...

I'm so tired of my job being something I hate, that I slave away at to pay the bills. I know it sounds bad, but a lot of jobs I don't even want to look into because they sound ridiculously boring or stupid or something I'm just not interested in in the least. When I tell people I like to write they tell me I should write advertisements or articles, or when I say I can draw they say I should design product logos or something like that, and it just sounds awful. Aside from the fact that most of those types of jobs require degrees I don't have, all I want to do is write science fiction and make comic books, not write about and design stuff I don't even care about. I hate this looming responsibility to do something I hate all day because I'm obligated to help pay the bills, even though what I really want to do makes no money. I feel bad not applying to jobs I know I would despise, but every time I consider another boring, crap job, it makes me feel like I'm locked in a cage with no way out.

I really wish I hadn't of flunked out of college...for all you young kids out there, don't be like me. Stay in school. Graduate college. A high school degree just isn't enough any more.

Ahktu--

Working as a sign maker is really good training as a trade and as an art and will assist you in your artistic endeavors.

Also, make your illustrations for the comic book that you feel so called to do so. Then, start booking tables at Anime, Comic, New Age etc conferences. It begins with you sending out the energy to create it into being.

I am currently doing this for a endeavor that I am involved in. Sometimes, it is all in the preparation.

OR

You could begin taking a course here and there at a local college or night school. Maya skills as well as Illustrator skills are often great ways to make money as a consultant. There is many ways in which you can use your skills and aptitudes.

All in All, It does begin with thinking outside the box though. Creating a new Paradigm that is working for you instead of trying to fit into an established paradigm. Sit quietly and ask your higher self to guide you to a location that has fullfilling employment where you are fairly compensated for the work that create, do, and make. Then, simply go where you are guided to go. Synchronisty is afoot when we send forth our energy and are willing to accept the creation the Universe delivers to us.

There are infinite choices and permutations and possibilties that you can choose. The choice is your to create, make and do... to relax into and work with. It is yours and yours alone to make based on that which you wish to do.

Bright Blessings--

fairyfarmgirl

[Brittany]

Thanks again, guys. I really like the more magical options, as I am highly intuitive and am drawn to the mystical facets of life. I've already been doing visualizations of finding a new job opportunity in which I can express myself creatively, though nothing has popped up yet. I guess I just have to give the universe some time to do it's thing.

[Eddie]

I've already been doing visualizations of finding a new job opportunity in which I can express myself creatively, though nothing has popped up yet. I guess I just have to give the universe some time to do it's thing.

Maybe we should figure out a way to make the study, discussion, and appreciation of dreams into a career. This nation is waaaaaay overdue for a shepherding figure to lead it into these things.

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I wish I had known as a child, what I now know about dreams. From the time I was about 4 years old, until I was about 14, I could remember in full detail every dream I had. I had a mental catalogue of literally thousands of dreams. We do not live in a culture which appreciates the magic of such gifts.

[Monica]

make your illustrations for the comic book that you feel so called to do so. Then, start booking tables at Anime, Comic, New Age etc conferences. It begins with you sending out the energy to create it into being.

I am currently doing this for a endeavor that I am involved in. Sometimes, it is all in the preparation.

OR

You could begin taking a course here and there at a local college or night school. Maya skills as well as Illustrator skills are often great ways to make money as a consultant. There is many ways in which you can use your skills and aptitudes.

All in All, It does begin with thinking outside the box though. Creating a new Paradigm that is working for you instead of trying to fit into an established paradigm. Sit quietly and ask your higher self to guide you to a location that has fullfilling employment where you are fairly compensated for the work that create, do, and make. Then, simply go where you are guided to go. Synchronisty is afoot when we send forth our energy and are willing to accept the creation the Universe delivers to us.

These are some profound ideas here. I absolutely agree with fairyfarmgirl, that the key to manifesting, is to first make your choice about what you want, and then, not only take action and work towards that goal, but actually start living your life as though it were already manifest.

That last part is the part so often missed. It might seem pointless to start creating your art, when you don't see how you could possibly earn a living from it. But, the way to create a reality in which you can earn a living from it, is to start creating it as though it were already true! Right now, maybe you can't earn a living from your art, but if you start creating your art, a way to earn a living from it might just manifest! Why? Because you set it in motion! But if you accept that you can't earn a living doing what you love, then you can be sure that will continue to be true.

Why accept that limitation when you have the power to change it?

I recently applied this principle to my business. For many years, I sat in an office cubicle, very depressed at having such a bleak job. I wanted my livelihood to be in alignment with my values! I wanted to do something that actually helped people!

But, I didn't have the faith at that time to take action in that direction. So I programmed computers all day, but was miserable inside.

Then, suddenly I got laid off! And was unable to find another similar job because the technology had changed. Suddenly, I found myself at a crossroads, with no idea what direction to go in.

Long story short, if I hadn't been laid off from that job, I'd probably still be there. But now, I have a thriving business that I love, that is helping people in profound ways!

But alas, I then found myself too busy to enjoy life! I was neglecting myself and family. (But never Bring4th, haha!) My guidance was telling me I needed to slow down, do some yoga, etc. but I never seemed to find the time. Which was absolutely ridiculous, since I can work whenever I want and don't answer to anyone! I had no excuse!

A month ago, I pulled a muscle lifting something heavy, and was forced to take it easy. Duh! Once again, I waited too long, until my Higher Self finally intervened!

Finally, I got the message and am now making a point to balance my time and my life. I am spending more time in the garden, doing yoga, with my family, etc. And guess what! Other factors are rearranging themselves, to accommodate my new lifestyle! I'm still busy, but somehow, time seems to have stretched...

I agree with fairyfarmgirl...start NOW doing what you love...and the $$ will follow. Don't wait to get hit over the head with a 2x4 like I did.

[rva_jeremy]

I wish I could find a job in art...all I really want to do is make comic books for a living. If only that industry wasn't a total bust right now...

Yeah, but... who wants to be part of an "industry" these days? Have you ever seen the webcomics that are out there? Take a look at Diesel Sweeties, Cat & Girl, Toothpaste for Breakfast, Wayward Sons, etc.

Lots of artists especially in comics are embracing a totally different model than pimping themselves to publishers. You might have to learn a little bit about the web, but think of it as the equivalent of learning how to ink or do offset printing. They often give their comics away for free and support themselves with merchandise or advertising (I've given one web comics guy hundreds of dollars because his shirts kick ass). Some are even now publishing books they've become so popular.

I sometimes wish I hadn't gone to college. It's not all it's cracked up to be. They basically teach you how to take orders and participate in bureaucracies. You'd just feel even more pressure to do something boring. I have several friends in software development who make substantially more than I do because they focused on doing what they loved and grew it slowly, rather than getting University of College Debt to give them a piece of paper saying they were "educated" for a field that changes so quickly there's no point even buying textbooks for it.

Allow me to pontificate for a bit: the era of the job, where we go and work five days a week, 8 hours a day, and we get a steady check and maybe benefits in return, is fast coming to an end - not just for you but for everybody. The name of the game is finding a niche and/or diversifying, but most importantly, low overhead business. You can do with a $300 laptop what it used to take millions of dollars for a big publisher to do. This is where everything is going, and the great thing is that you can leverage your free time to build your own capital instead of needing a bunch of money up front. So you can grow slowly and gradually phase out employed life.

[Deekun]

The pressure has been building up in many areas, many companies, all just interested in the bottom line, profit. Seeing as one person was removed from her position at your job, well the question I would have is, what happened to her position? Did it get filled by someone else? That would have created a spot for someone to move up and move one of you up in seniority. And if she was demoted, then the seniority aspect of it comes to question, how can someone demoted still maintain their seniority?

Have you tried looking for work from home online? Doing reviews or doing small newspaper pieces, blogs, etc.?

Now I can see where you may find a job boring and not be willing to apply for it, but at the same time you don't want your family to suffer from lack of income. Now I will be blunt here... men have always done jobs they may find demeaning, boring, hard, low paying, etc. as long as their family is taken care of. Please take a few moments on that thought.


The era of "I'm accustomed to A or B" is coming to an end, we all see it, it will hit all of us slowly, to some it already did.

Now allow me to relate something to you, a lot of the great writers wrote of the very essence that was making a great impact on them, what made them tick, what made them sad, what made them hate their very existence at that point in time. That power of words on paper moves millions to learn of the struggles, pain, and happiness that can yet still be found even in the bleakest of moments. Don't shun away those experiences, for all you know that one extra boring job you find will be that spark you need to write that new masterpiece.

[Crimson]

Interesting situation. You are forced to make a decision by a system that is uncaring and falsely passes the blame to you even though is not your choice (really) but it is pushed upon you (what kind of choice would that be?). As a matter of fact it is a system designed to keep people at the red/orange or survival level. (Edited because I'm mixing my colors --Hah!)

Under this apparent false choice you need to make a decision. And you want to use love to do this. Getting the 40 hours possibly would be an orange/red ray decision based on survival, getting the hours you need (30 hours) and giving the rest away would probably be very close to green because you are taking into account the survival of your family (unfortunately nobody will do that most of the time except you) but at the same time, you are thinking about the other sharing the hours you can possibly share.

Can you do this at least temporarily until you find a situation more to your ethical liking?

Is it possible to use a complete green ray and survive in the current conditions? If you have an interview and get a job would you say "gee I need this job but maybe some other person needs it more or the same as me, therefore I am refusing your offer and me and my family will starve.." Can you use green ray fully and survive? Isn't this STS because you are just thinking of the little green ray (well maybe honestly you are fully green ray and then you are like a Jesus...still you have the variable of the family in the air because if you don't provide who will? I mean, do you need to be 95% positive to be significantly positive? It is wise that only 51% is needed...

Forgiving yourself/others also de-attaches karma. In this case I do not think karma is an issue because the economic system is in the hands of STS....(Not for long!)

[Peregrinus]

Serve the Stone Soup.

Repeat the scene for each lunch.

Ah dear sister, that may be the logical thing to do, but...
- Unfortunately it is the middle of winter with several feet (a meter) of snow and stones are not easy to come by, nor is good clean water which I pack from stores where I purchase it. I will not drink chlorinated/fluoridated water. Having been a chemical engineer, I know the process by which water is "cleaned" with the use of chemicals... not for me to put those toxins into this vehicle which I have been so gifted to be able to do this work with.
- Unfortunately there is no simple 'going to the store" from work, as it is about 30 minutes either way to a store... since I chose the path of the pauper and take public transit.
- Fortunately I have a need to do what is right despite what others do.
- Fortunately I am able to feed my daughter and these people (whom I do love as I love all) good healthy wholesome food, for in that I am blessed and cannot really ask for more. I sell things to continue providing, and until I am out of things to sell, or the system crashes (in the very near future), I will continue selling. Once the system crashes and disclosure happens, all of humankind will have no want and will be able to move to more service to others orientation.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Serve the Stone Soup.

Repeat the scene for each lunch.

Ah dear sister, that may be the logical thing to do, but...
- Unfortunately it is the middle of winter with several feet (a meter) of snow and stones are not easy to come by, nor is good clean water which I pack from stores where I purchase it. I will not drink chlorinated/fluoridated water. Having been a chemical engineer, I know the process by which water is "cleaned" with the use of chemicals... not for me to put those toxins into this vehicle which I have been so gifted to be able to do this work with.
- Unfortunately there is no simple 'going to the store" from work, as it is about 30 minutes either way to a store... since I chose the path of the pauper and take public transit.
- Fortunately I have a need to do what is right despite what others do.
- Fortunately I am able to feed my daughter and these people (whom I do love as I love all) good healthy wholesome food, for in that I am blessed and cannot really ask for more. I sell things to continue providing, and until I am out of things to sell, or the system crashes (in the very near future), I will continue selling. Once the system crashes and disclosure happens, all of humankind will have no want and will be able to move to more service to others orientation.

Y'Know Pere, thank you LOL!-

There is always a backstory! Thank you for sharing yours! Stone Soup will await for the times when travel is easy and water is clean and the subjects are willing. I Bless you with Love! .

--fairyfarmgirl

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I wish I could find a job in art...all I really want to do is make comic books for a living. If only that industry wasn't a total bust right now...

Yeah, but... who wants to be part of an "industry" these days? Have you ever seen the webcomics that are out there? Take a look at Diesel Sweeties, Cat & Girl, Toothpaste for Breakfast, Wayward Sons, etc.

Lots of artists especially in comics are embracing a totally different model than pimping themselves to publishers. You might have to learn a little bit about the web, but think of it as the equivalent of learning how to ink or do offset printing. They often give their comics away for free and support themselves with merchandise or advertising (I've given one web comics guy hundreds of dollars because his shirts kick a$$). Some are even now publishing books they've become so popular.

I sometimes wish I hadn't gone to college. It's not all it's cracked up to be. They basically teach you how to take orders and participate in bureaucracies. You'd just feel even more pressure to do something boring. I have several friends in software development who make substantially more than I do because they focused on doing what they loved and grew it slowly, rather than getting University of College Debt to give them a piece of paper saying they were "educated" for a field that changes so quickly there's no point even buying textbooks for it.

Allow me to pontificate for a bit: the era of the job, where we go and work five days a week, 8 hours a day, and we get a steady check and maybe benefits in return, is fast coming to an end - not just for you but for everybody. The name of the game is finding a niche and/or diversifying, but most importantly, low overhead business. You can do with a $300 laptop what it used to take millions of dollars for a big publisher to do. This is where everything is going, and the great thing is that you can leverage your free time to build your own capital instead of needing a bunch of money up front. So you can grow slowly and gradually phase out employed life.

Good Greetings Jeremy and All:

Self publishing an E-Comic is the way that illustrators are getting heard instead of herded these days. E-Commerce market is where we are developing our niche--- not as illustrators but as artists that and actual small street shows--- little art fairs in little towns all across the us and some big towns is where to make a living and really do it in a way that is joyous. After all, your gig is your gig to run as ye wish... There comes a challenge with all of this create and it will happen paradigm: there is no escaping the freedom you have created.

The old paradigm is based on the assumption you wish to escape freedom. You need rules and to be told what to do... and the rule makers have such a good time at your expense as the lowly and expendable worker. ***This is the Old Paradigm***

It is challenging yes, anytime anything new is being created or is newly created. The challenge however is rewarding for life is what you make it.

I Bless you with Love!

fairyfarmgirl

[Lorna]

I would also add that work is about being as much as doing - your passion for your work will help make it desirable because people will connect with your passionate energy

i work with many many small business owners across a huge range of sectors - and no matter what they do from making cupcakes to running a small hotel to making pressed apple juice to graphic design to manufacturing personal safety systems to running a tearoom - it's all about creativity and passion and connecting with people, it's the manner in which you undertake your work and share it with a purchasing customer that makes it desirable or not. whatever you choose to do, do it with joy x

[unity100]

Under this apparent false choice you need to make a decision. And you want to use love to do this. Getting the 40 hours possibly would be an orange/red ray decision based on survival, getting the hours you need (30 hours) and giving the rest away would probably be very close to green because you are taking into account the survival of your family (unfortunately nobody will do that most of the time except you) but at the same time, you are thinking about the other sharing the hours you can possibly share.

Is it possible to use a complete green ray and survive in the current conditions?

there is something you are missing in the above proposition.

it assumes sacrificing everything is the most green ray vibration thing to do, and hence, an end of the spectrum.

however, blue is a higher frequency than green. it includes and surpasses the green. in that respect, it can be considered 'greener' than the green. same goes for indigo and on.

trying to find a solution in which everyone would be sharing the boons to survive, implementing it yourself even if the others are not able to understand or implement it - while also incorporating others in cooperation into the process - would be more in accordance with indigo ray.

[Crimson]

Under this apparent false choice you need to make a decision. And you want to use love to do this. Getting the 40 hours possibly would be an orange/red ray decision based on survival, getting the hours you need (30 hours) and giving the rest away would probably be very close to green because you are taking into account the survival of your family (unfortunately nobody will do that most of the time except you) but at the same time, you are thinking about the other sharing the hours you can possibly share.

Is it possible to use a complete green ray and survive in the current conditions?

there is something you are missing in the above proposition.

it assumes sacrificing everything is the most green ray vibration thing to do, and hence, an end of the spectrum.

however, blue is a higher frequency than green. it includes and surpasses the green. in that respect, it can be considered 'greener' than the green. same goes for indigo and on.

trying to find a solution in which everyone would be sharing the boons to survive, implementing it yourself even if the others are not able to understand or implement it - while also incorporating others in cooperation into the process - would be more in accordance with indigo ray.

I thought that way long time ago. Obviously blue/indigo are higher but not easily activated. We need to take in consideration Earth's current condition and its current density. On a personal level, one could seek higher rays but when living in a society yellow to green, what will be the limitations of the results? Would not be imposing your will over others?

Are the planetary conditions ready for that type of light information/vibration? Is not "too much to ask"?

On the other hand, if that is what you feel it should be done, then that is what you should do, I suppose.

Take Che Guevara, as a possible example of working on blue/indigo ray because his behavior (on those circumstances) was involving work in a planetary scale probably at the highest level with possibly the highest socialistic ideals (regarding rays).

At one point, there was the risk of (very real) of blowing up the planet due to the Cuban missile crisis. The threat was real and his stand was --paraphrasing --"well if they blow up the planet it was USA's (or the elite's) decision it is not our responsibility". On another level, when on Bolivia, he was dealing with native Bolivian culture but is there a question about imposing socialist beliefs, imposing your will on a different culture? --Even though many Bolivians there compared him to Jesus and possibly set a precedent to Evo Morales ( I know it did for Venezuelan Cesar Chavez)

His actions in Africa and Vietnam were of similar nature although with different results on that continent (Angola for example).

Can I ask you to work at the indigo level --involving others? Or since we are in 3rd density going to fourth, green is more appropriate?

On the other hand, probably he raised planetary vibrations significantly although gained much karmic debt due to the many killings he probably did.

Also, this deals with this planet's current situation. Might be different on other planets.

[Eddie]

Che Guevara, as a possible example of working on blue/indigo ray because his behavior (on those circumstances) was involving work in a planetary scale probably at the highest level with possibly the highest socialistic ideals (regarding rays).

At one point, there was the risk of (very real) of blowing up the planet due to the Cuban missile crisis. The threat was real and his stand was --paraphrasing --"well if they blow up the planet it was USA's (or the elite's) decision it is not our responsibility". On another level, when on Bolivia, he was dealing with native Bolivian culture but is there a question about imposing socialist beliefs, imposing your will on a different culture? --Even though many Bolivians there compared him to Jesus and possibly set a precedent to Evo Morales ( I know it did for Venezuelan Cesar Chavez)

His actions in Africa and Vietnam were of similar nature although with different results on that continent (Angola for example).

Can I ask you to work at the indigo level --involving others? Or since we are in 3rd density going to fourth, green is more appropriate?

On the other hand, probably he raised planetary vibrations significantly although gained much karmic debt due to the many killings he probably did.

Also, this deals with this planet's current situation. Might be different on other planets.

Are you aware of how many people Che Guevara tortured and murdered with his own hands? Of how he grinned and laughed as he joined in and directed his firing squads in Cuba? Whatever Che was doing, it wasn't "working on blue/indigo ray".

[rva_jeremy]

The old paradigm is based on the assumption you wish to escape freedom. You need rules and to be told what to do... and the rule makers have such a good time at your expense as the lowly and expendable worker.

You nailed it. It's such an imbalance because the whole dog and pony show relies on them maintaining the appearance that you need them more than they need you. In reality, it is exactly the opposite, but our political system artificially promotes centralized, large organizations to a greater extent than they might otherwise proliferate in a genuinely free market.

The important thing to me is that people take the kind of "radical responsibility" that is inherent in the Law of One in all the directions it can go. Building networks of responsible producers and consumers that can operate without the expensive and overbearing infrastructure of the corporate world prefigures the kind of "peer to peer" economy that can meet our needs when the corporate one comes crashing down. In this way we can "build the new society within the shell of the old", as the Wobblies say.

Towards a world without bosses!

[Crimson]

Che Guevara, as a possible example of working on blue/indigo ray because his behavior (on those circumstances) was involving work in a planetary scale probably at the highest level with possibly the highest socialistic ideals (regarding rays).

At one point, there was the risk of (very real) of blowing up the planet due to the Cuban missile crisis. The threat was real and his stand was --paraphrasing --"well if they blow up the planet it was USA's (or the elite's) decision it is not our responsibility". On another level, when on Bolivia, he was dealing with native Bolivian culture but is there a question about imposing socialist beliefs, imposing your will on a different culture? --Even though many Bolivians there compared him to Jesus and possibly set a precedent to Evo Morales ( I know it did for Venezuelan Cesar Chavez)

His actions in Africa and Vietnam were of similar nature although with different results on that continent (Angola for example).

Can I ask you to work at the indigo level --involving others? Or since we are in 3rd density going to fourth, green is more appropriate?

On the other hand, probably he raised planetary vibrations significantly although gained much karmic debt due to the many killings he probably did.

Also, this deals with this planet's current situation. Might be different on other planets.

Are you aware of how many people Che Guevara tortured and murdered with his own hands? Of how he grinned and laughed as he joined in and directed his firing squads in Cuba? Whatever Che was doing, it wasn't "working on blue/indigo ray".

CIA propaganda. Have you read the "Bolivian Diaries" and the "motorcycle ones"? Have you researched his story, history, speeches, numerous writings?. Most of the time he let captured enemies free. Besides I mentioned he had to kill so I was questioning trying to make the world a "paradise" before green ray settles in.

Anyway, I knew this post was going to create very mixed reactions but now is kinda late to erase it.