why Covid-19? what is the spiritual meaning?

[Sacred Fool]

Well, just because the Gates people held a scenario about pig farms in Brazil doesn't implicate them in this affair. They, like other sensible people, have been saying for some time that we're remiss for not preparing properly for such an event. It looks to me that you're trying to kill the messenger in this case.

I didn't see anything in the legislation you linked to about chips, etc. I wonder why? That business about nano-tech is highly suspect.

Personally, my feeling is that all that hidden hand business with their bloodlines and all that was amateur nonsense. If they're breeding people the quality of Jared and the Trump kids, then the joke is on them.

If you're going to give up technology, then how will you respond to my comments?

[Diana]

the Gates people …

I don't follow the media, but from my very limited point of view, Bill Gates, or what he is representing knowingly or not, is suspicious. Vaccines are are highly suspect. When one thinks about how the medical establishment operates here in the U.S., there isn't a lot of confidence in the STO aspects of it generally. 

 If they're breeding people the quality of Jared and the Trump kids, then the joke is on them.

LOL! That's hilarious!

Although, logic would suggest that those at the apex of power, behind the visible layers of stooges in the public eye, are intelligent. It just follows that that sort of power and the twisted notion that you are controlling the world for the world's own good (through probabilities) would yield self-knowledge enough to keep your mind and body healthy and viable to do so.

[David_1]

   Isn’t it interesting that the virus that was designed and manufactured for the purpose of destroying the U.S. economy, by people hoping that Trump would not be re-elected as president of the U.S. (but actually destroyed the economy of the planet), could be used by the Creator to encourage human decisions by those who want to serve others to have spiritual benefits that might even outweigh the thousands that were murdered?

[Asolsutsesvyl]

the Gates people …

I don't follow the media, but from my very limited point of view, Bill Gates, or what he is representing knowingly or not, is suspicious. Vaccines are are highly suspect. When one thinks about how the medical establishment operates here in the U.S., there isn't a lot of confidence in the STO aspects of it generally. 

Philanthropy, like that of Gates, is a mixed bag. People who are really, really rich (and largely became so rich by being smart in their expressions of selfishness), can make themselves widely loved, and fondly remembered by future generations, by investing a portion of their riches into "good causes". If they're not super-negative at heart, it also makes them feel better, as they can then settle into a new self-image of being heroic.

People who think it's all somehow part of great, ominous plans don't explain how those agendas would suit the rich philanthropists. How would it satisfy Gates personally to be a little pawn in supporting super-evil New World Order plans? And if being a tiny pawn in super-sized evil plans wouldn't satisfy him, then why would Gates bother? I think people like Gates tend to focus much more narrowly, simply, and in relation to the self than is supposed by those who think them key people in grand conspiracies.

You can generally expect people like Gates to funnel some money into causes which are good from the conventional point of view. By conventional standards, that's good deeds. But non-conventionalist analyses can find flaws in the goodness, without bringing alleged larger conspiracies into the picture.

[Diana]

Philanthropy, like that of Gates, is a mixed bag. People who are really, really rich (and largely became so rich by being smart in their expressions of selfishness), can make themselves widely loved, and fondly remembered by future generations, by investing a portion of their riches into "good causes". If they're not super-negative at heart, it also makes them feel better, as they can then settle into a new self-image of being heroic.

People who think it's all somehow part of great, ominous plans don't explain how those agendas would suit the rich philanthropists. How would it satisfy Gates personally to be a little pawn in supporting super-evil New World Order plans? And if being a tiny pawn in super-sized evil plans wouldn't satisfy him, then why would Gates bother? I think people like Gates tend to focus much more narrowly, simply, and in relation to the self than is supposed by those who think them key people in grand conspiracies.

You can generally expect people like Gates to funnel some money into causes which are good from the conventional point of view. By conventional standards, that's good deeds. But non-conventionalist analyses can find flaws in the goodness, without bringing alleged larger conspiracies into the picture.

I agree that your above scenario is possible. I don't have a belief one way or the other by the way.

The scenario you painted above is very simplistic about the "super-evil New World Order plans." Logic suggests to me, that If there is a controlling faction at the apex of the pyramid of power who operate under the radar, it's way more complicated—not like a polarized cartoon of good guys and bad guys. And the layers underneath that apex are compartmentalized to ensure that no one knows the entire picture. And, I think those at the apex feel it is their duty to control the masses and I think somewhere Ra says something to that effect. So I think it's possible (and again, I am not entrenched in these ideas, but neither am I going to accept any official narratives without question) that a person like Gates would think whatever he is doing for the world is good while being aware that some of it was for control, such as, yes we must inject nanobots into people for their own good because (fill in whatever narrative he is getting from the upper layers). Humans love to be "in the know" and feel altruistic which plays into this scenario perfectly.

So I am not saying Gates is evil. Everyone's intentions are good from their individual perspectives.

On the other hand, when my nephew was a baby and young boy, he went into convulsions when he got vaccinations. So when my sister was pregnant with her second child, she researched vaccinations. She is an extensive researcher. She refused vaccinations for her second child as a result, and that girl has never had any of the childhood diseases children are vaccinated for. I realize these are individual examples and can't represent the whole population. I'm sorry to say, according to my sister's research, that vaccinations do almost no good (or in some cases none at all) when you actually compare the numbers and details. Of course, there are particular times when diseases such as polio were treated effectively. But in modern-day times, it doesn't look so benevolent. It looks to me like an ideal (possible) vehicle for more control. For my part, after childhood when I didn't have any choice, I have never been inoculated against anything, even tetanus after a car accident and stepping on a roofing nail etc., because I trust my own body to deal with things. On the other hand, I'm not so rigid as to deny care when it is indicated.

All I can say is that if there is a mandatory vaccination, it would be crossing the line and suspicious. Hopefully it won't be enforced.

[flofrog]

I was a child in the fifties and cases of autism were like not known. I have a feeling that vaccines back then were a serious thing that was very studied and tested. But when I reached th age of ten a new vaccine had appeared called the BCG in france, and we had an old woman our doctor and she recommended that I dont get it as along this doctor it was too strong and had side effect, that was the first time that we heard that a child's vaccine might not quite good, so that was late 50s.

When I had children I was very cautious about vaccines and was lucky to have a pediatrician who was equally cautious. He did some of the primary vaccines but checking which lab the vaccines were coming from. I feel we'll never know exactly how safe today's vaccines are. I have a grandson and for the moment he seems to have no reaction to what he is given.

For Covid-19 I am not sure we'll find a vaccine since symptoms to the virus seem to run an incredible gamut of diversity. I have a feeling that workers working on that vaccine are probably also coming from an array of STS to STO, so the idea that whatever vaccine which will come out, I dont see how we could be sure it's dark intended or not.

Still in the end, I think Covid is not about the vaccine. In my humble opinion key is about the mystery of life.

[Diana]

Still in the end, I think Covid is not about the vaccine.  In my humble opinion key is about the mystery of life.

I will add that part of that mystery is the awakening to self-empowerment, which involves self-authority and as such is related to discernment and freedom/free will.

[NoBodyNoThing]

If you asked the Buddha a question about the corona virus with the government shelter in place orders, he would tell you
these words. "I am where I need to be, at the right time, at the right place. I shape my world, give
my life reality form. I see my thoughts and realize how my brain complains about what is. I am
in control of my conscious choices. And I am beginning to see that people are where they are,
and they are doing the best they know how to. I shall respect that and observe with wise
discernment. My thoughts are powerful, and I move through my life powerfully. I know I affect
my state of being. I am beginning to master that part of me. Yet what I do know is that this
situation challenges all my learning. I will not attempt to explain anything. I will trust my
intuition more. And allow my understanding to override my fears. It is also a message for me to
rest more. Since the you-know-what is hitting the fan. Nothing I can do outwardly. Yet my inner
work is what I need to ponder. This situation is all temporary like anything else."

Farewell, hoomans.

[flofrog]

lol, Sri Maharshi used to say something like I put myself in order and the world around me reorganizes itself.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

The scenario you painted above is very simplistic about the "super-evil New World Order plans." Logic suggests to me, that If there is a controlling faction at the apex of the pyramid of power who operate under the radar, it's way more complicated—not like a polarized cartoon of good guys and bad guys. And the layers underneath that apex are compartmentalized to ensure that no one knows the entire picture. And, I think those at the apex feel it is their duty to control the masses and I think somewhere Ra says something to that effect. [...]

I only wrote what I had in mind about Gates and similar-enough people or factions. To me, they seem like the wrong targets to focus on if trying to uncover the worst things being worked towards in the world. I actually do agree with the gist of your description, in the abstract, of how secret negative organizations and their activities tend to look.

An old key term is that of "the military-industrial complex". It's been outdated for a number of decades, because intelligence agencies and related business is inseparably part of the same larger complex. That larger complex, intelligence-military-industrial, sometimes referred to as a "deep state" in contrast with the publicly known layer of government, is the heart of what's credibly included in the worst descriptions of negative conspiracies.

Some smaller-scale stuff which is nasty enough, like unethical biochemical experimentation on populations by their own governments for military purposes, have taken place here and there in the U.S., Britain, and other Western countries generally viewed as above that kind of thing. Scattered through the historical record from the mid-20th century and on, it's a smaller number of incidences involving smaller numbers of people, with more related information still hidden from the public. The dividing line between conspiracy fact and theory concerns the size and nature of what's still hidden.

Ideas including the need for depopulation for purposes of sustainability when maintaining a system which does not scale well, various strivings towards mind control and programming, and a mix of a whole lot of other stuff which often enters into more detailed conspiracy theories, are included on the basis of there being a long-standing documented interest in those kinds of things on the part of military and intelligence agencies.

A problem is that most of the real names, faces, groups, etc., are not known with clarity. And the detailed conspiracy claims floating around fill in those blanks with wild guesses and present them as solid truth. That way, rich celebrities and other famous public figures tend to be given the key roles in, in my opinion, rather flawed theories. Such material gets old in exactly the same way that repeating New Age prophecies of sudden and very drastic changes in the nature of reality get old. The repetition, failed predictions, and filling in of blanks with emotionally appealing drama are the key features.

There are secret efforts to produce bio-weapons around the world. But the current corona virus does not fit the picture of a dangerous weapon, because it spreads very easily leaving people immune while doing very little harm. The virus is closely related to the older SARS virus, which was much more harmful but did not spread nearly as easily.

The Q'uo claim SARS was engineered. If you use that as the starting point, it leaves two main possibilities for the current virus: 1) Natural mutation of SARS in the common change direction of spreading more while killing less. 2) Some experiment which accidentally slipped out into the world.

In relation to a depopulation agenda, the current virus seems counterproductive. The pandemic doesn't get it done, and has the effect of maximally shaking up the world and bolstering future preparedness. If a real and related killer virus was hoped for, then the earlier spread of this virus seems like a very big failing for that agenda.

[Diana]

…
Some smaller-scale stuff which is nasty enough, like unethical biochemical experimentation on populations by their own governments for military purposes, have taken place here and there in the U.S., Britain, and other Western countries generally viewed as above that kind of thing. Scattered through the historical record from the mid-20th century and on, it's a smaller number of incidences involving smaller numbers of people, with more related information still hidden from the public. The dividing line between conspiracy fact and theory concerns the size and nature of what's still hidden.

Ideas including the need for depopulation for purposes of sustainability when maintaining a system which does not scale well, various strivings towards mind control and programming, and a mix of a whole lot of other stuff which often enters into more detailed conspiracy theories, are included on the basis of there being a long-standing documented interest in those kinds of things on the part of military and intelligence agencies.

A problem is that most of the real names, faces, groups, etc., are not known with clarity. And the detailed conspiracy claims floating around fill in those blanks with wild guesses and present them as solid truth. That way, rich celebrities and other famous public figures tend to be given the key roles in, in my opinion, rather flawed theories. Such material gets old in exactly the same way that repeating New Age prophecies of sudden and very drastic changes in the nature of reality get old. The repetition, failed predictions, and filling in of blanks with emotionally appealing drama are the key features.
…

I'm with you here. The theories are likely flawed though because the real control behind the scenes can't be known or accessed. Hence the picture that unfolds featuring visible parts of the drama. The drastic change/prophecies just gives people the chance to find some meaning for, and deliverance from, difficulties. 

We have intellects, here in this reality. And I think part of evolution is becoming autonomous; and the first step here, where we use our conscious minds, is to do so with our own discernment, not following anyone(thing) else's narrative. And this would include religions/philosophies, governments, education, and all authority and belief systems.

Beyond waking up the conscious mind to opening its closed doors, then the unconscious can be accessed without paradigms which filter information counter to beliefs. This is what, in my opinion, allows for some detachment from the drama. But first, one must think for one's self. And within any sector of human society, there will be mostly followers whether they think of themselves that way or not (my observation).

To present theory as fact is not helping anyone's agenda, and a sign that thinking has closed doors.

There are secret efforts to produce bio-weapons around the world. But the current corona virus does not fit the picture of a dangerous weapon, because it spreads very easily leaving people immune while doing very little harm. The virus is closely related to the older SARS virus, which was much more harmful but did not spread nearly as easily.

The Q'uo claim SARS was engineered. If you use that as the starting point, it leaves two main possibilities for the current virus: 1) Natural mutation of SARS in the common change direction of spreading more while killing less. 2) Some experiment which accidentally slipped out into the world.

In relation to a depopulation agenda, the current virus seems counterproductive. The pandemic doesn't get it done, and has the effect of maximally shaking up the world and bolstering future preparedness. If a real and related killer virus was hoped for, then the earlier spread of this virus seems like a very big failing for that agenda.

Regarding covid-19, beyond it being an obvious vehicle for more government control as 911 was, I have no idea what the STS agenda is. Control in my opinion is done through probabilities, not specifics because they can't be predicted (as exemplified in the subatomic realm).

For individuals, it's clear this is very rich catalyst.

[ScottK]

People who think it's all somehow part of great, ominous plans don't explain how those agendas would suit the rich philanthropists. How would it satisfy Gates personally to be a little pawn in supporting super-evil New World Order plans?

Those of the darkside serve their dark masters.  Bill Gates' master seeks to control all of mankind through fear among other things.

Bill Gates, for serving his master, receives great wealth and status.  But, he must obey his master since his master can destroy him at any time.

Also, Mr. Gates may have a bit of a problem if plans go awry and his master has to cut him off and hang him out to dry, so to speak, so the master can save himself/herself/itself.

Bill Gates knows Madonna's advice all too well:


We are currently in the Apocalypse - a full blown revealing.  Expect to find out the answers to your questions in vivid detail fairly soon now

[Jeremy]

I've been hearing "soon" ever since I joined this forum back in 2012. Look for the great disclosure "soon". Look for the ascension "soon". All will be revealed "soon"

[ScottK]

I've been hearing "soon" ever since I joined this forum back in 2012. Look for the great disclosure "soon". Look for the ascension "soon". All will be revealed "soon"

If you haven't noticed, it's "being revealed" now. Not all is revealed at once or people wouldn't get it. And "revealing" is the only thing I'm saying is happening.

Would suggest you figure out "what" has been revealed so far, and see how it influences your thinking.

[Diana]

I've been hearing "soon" ever since I joined this forum back in 2012. Look for the great disclosure "soon". Look for the ascension "soon". All will be revealed "soon"

If you haven't noticed, it's "being revealed" now.  Not all is revealed at once or people wouldn't get it.  And "revealing" is the only thing I'm saying is happening.

Would suggest you figure out "what" has been revealed so far, and see how it influences your thinking.

With all due respect, I think saying that "all will be revealed" is doing a disservice to the alternative narrative. This sort of language always ends up sounding like the alternative narrative was ridiculous because it never comes to pass (at least in the way it was imagined). Even if this IS what happens, it still sounds like all the conspiracy hype that came before. I only mention this because another way of presenting the alternative view in my opinion would be more effective.

I don't think things are that simple. Change occurs—that is a given. Many people are asleep still. The STS powers in place do their thing. It's easier than ever to affect control due to the digital media. But there is more communication between the people. So the scenario gets more complex.

I don't know where things are headed, but none of it looks good to me in the short term. There is opportunity for personal growth within the chaos. It can be difficult balancing empathy, responsibility, service, and truth in such a mess as we have in the world at the moment.

Not getting "caught up in the maelstrom" does not mean ignoring what goes on here. I think this concept is harder than ever to sort out.

[Navaratna]

In my opinion it'd be extremely difficult to force everyone to get a vaccine.

Maybe places would require you to have one in order to live in certain cities for example and having to have proof, but I think forcing everyone in to places like that would be seen way ahead of time. Trying to force everyone door to door sounds like a civil war erupting.