Animal or non-animal based diet?

[Sunclarity]

Dear ones, I was interested in learning your conceptions on diet but for a great part, I wanted to know the why for the discrepancy between sources of the same confederation. As part of the same group of understanding, both entities, Ra and Oashe, were expected to have equal sayings but that wasn't the case and that makes me question the validity of either source.

[sillypumpkins]

Sunclarity, it seems we share a similar hangup on why eating plants is considered more appropriate than animals. I too am confused/uninformed as to how once can say that plants don't feel pain, or don't suffer, as much as animals. Of course it is clear to "see" the suffering of animals more, but I just don't know enough to say that plants don't suffer as much or more.....

I am looking forward to hearing what Diana has to add soon, hopefully we can both get something out of it!!

be well

Dear ones, I was interested in learning your conceptions on diet but for a great part, I wanted to know the why for the discrepancy between sources of the same confederation. As part of the same group of understanding, both entities, Ra and Oashe, were expected to have equal sayings but that wasn't the case and that makes me question the validity of either source.

my understanding is that even these sources have their distortions, which might explain the discrepancies

[Navaratna]

Something I remember about the texts is that there is rarely any reference to objects that an individual can hold.

There's references to rubies and diamonds strung around chains, maybe you could say Tarot cards but those conversations are about the imagery.

It does back to how they didn't want to give humans a bias. You could say they talk about locations like the pyramids but you're not walking off with the pyramids any time soon.

This is probably why:

60.16. Ra: I am Ra ... it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

The wisdom teachings were lost when the libraries were burnt. The age of Essentialism is upon us.

I failed to grasp why the training aid becomes negative in such an usage.

I can think of problems that can arise out of if people wanted objects enough to steal them and cause harm to lightbringers in the process.
Ra is saying this so he has liability insurance is my take on it.

Let's say some mystics have some enormous diamonds/ rubies and someone gets killed in the process of a theft. Happens all the time in todays world. Ra is saying the potential of the training aid can be negative. If someone isn't on the right vibratory level.

In the readings they say a -purified- channel can use diamonds or rubies in any application. rubies have optical properties, diamonds are highly iridescent. But they make a point I think to not worship objects. That is bias. Otherwise they'd mention these things in every reading but that's giving someone the wrong impression. They mention it only once from what I recall, and describe putting a diamond crystal on a chain on the wrist or strung around the neck in order to change vibrations by gradually adjusting the positioning and light refraction.

Just imagine someone using it for the right purpose I suppose, then someone with a toxic mentality breaks someones arm in order to steal it. That's what I get from this channel. I think the diamond crystal healing is the most interesting part of the text because I relate to noticing things like this. Seeing a large vesuvianite crystal, or holding a blue kyanite to the heart. I've felt subtle changes that accompany positions these kinds of objects the way they described it in the chain readings. just search "chain" and read everything and you'll understand what I'm referring to.

[Louisabell]

If I may ask, are you sure yours is an informed opinion? What gives you certainty that plants don't feel pain and they don't attach? In a level you can say they surely do as there is no separation in creation. It is illosory if perceived. You might say they don't in as conscious of a manner as we humans do, but that's still would be questionable due to the oneness of all. If you may, watch the following video and tell me how your view stands after.

https://youtu.be/mucAJW6qEvk

I find it abhorrent that people use spirituality to justify their decisions.

Take a biology class. All these facts I told you are basic and proven. You're going to ignore that over some clickbait YouTube video. Yes, maybe plants make a noise as a response to various stimuli. So what? Do you realise that to feel pain you need pain nerves and hormones that can be observed? Does your butt scream out in suffering everytime you fart?

[Louisabell]

Something I remember about the texts is that there is rarely any reference to objects that an individual can hold.

There's references to rubies and diamonds strung around chains, maybe you could say Tarot cards but those conversations are about the imagery.

It does back to how they didn't want to give humans a bias. You could say they talk about locations like the pyramids but you're not walking off with the pyramids any time soon.

This is probably why:

60.16. Ra: I am Ra ... it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

The wisdom teachings were lost when the libraries were burnt. The age of Essentialism is upon us.

I failed to grasp why the training aid becomes negative in such an usage.

Think about it. There are libraries full of free information on psychology, philosophy and spirituality to help us discover the self. It has never been easier to offer service to others in denotating time and money.

So why would someone be drawn to training aids and the huge amount of time it takes to study their use? We all want more power, but to what end?

[Agua]

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[Alexis]

I had a conversation with a 6th dimensional feline, I was aware at the time that they described as breatherian. I asked at what point did they decide to move away from eating other animals, as cats on earth still eat meat. Their response wasn’t exactly a clear cut answer, and they responded by saying that there’s no judgment on what any entity deciders to consume whether they are human or feline or anything else. I prodded then a bit more about what density they decided to move away from eating meat and they said it depended on what version of them I was talking to. They did actually tell me an answer but they explain it was based on what was most conducive to my own frequency.

I get the impression that if someone else asked the questions or had I been partaking in a different diet, their final response would have been a different number as it was really a reflection of my own energy.

[Agua]

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[Jeremy]

Ah the classic meaty vs veggie thread. A bonafide way to cause disharmony by way of espousing ones personal biases on such a divisive subject. These never end well so the best answer is to do whatever you personally feel is right according to your personal journey. No one can answer it for you because to do so, is only coming from a place of distortion.

[Agua]

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[Navaratna]

my understanding is that even these sources have their distortions, which might explain the discrepancies

I wouldnt see it that way.

If its from a channeling, the most obvious source of distortion is the channeler itself.
Especially in a non- trance channeling, all information has to come through the consciousness of the channeler. So its limited by the limitations of the channeler.

The second source of distortion are we ourselves.
We tend to believe we understand what we read.
Just take the Ra material for example and see if you can find an interpretation of a given statement and see if you find more than two people here who can agree on the same interpretation

So, everybody might read the same letters, but everybody reads a different text actually.

I think you are correct, I think I've run in to this problem trying to get opinions from people. People instantly assume that understanding the higher densities couldn't possibly be important to their experience when it actually is what programs it.

Sooo many questions people have revolve around 3rd and 4th density, People seem to gloss over the fact we're talking about something from the 80s which is the mind of what ancient Egyptian people knew meaning that for as good and important as a lot of the information is, it is old. Almost 40 years. There are transcripts from L/L Research published decades later that describe exactly what I'm referring to in 8th density as having to do with Earth's axial precession.

The interweaving correspondence between densities, -light- [the whole focus of the concept Ra communicates...], days, years, planets and astronomy I guess it's either not interesting or not satisfying to people. I've never been interested in astrology until very recently because no two systems are in agreement but I've found connections between multiple forms--and it is astronomy, not astrology in my opinion. The patterns are based off of solar bodies, not imagination. When I try to speak to intelligent people, a disease researcher and an engineer they both had zero patience to understand the science and immediately say it is all nonsense because they are too fixated on appearing scientifically minded to think that absolutely everything we witness could be interwoven. There is no superstition in mathematics. I am not a mathematician, I am not any kind of specialist.

That doesn't mean anything to me because those are just numbers" to me is like saying there is no difference or importance in what it means to exist in 1st density or 4, or 9th which is exactly what the text says is not correct. It says you are supposed to try and move upward.

3rd density corresponds to Saturn...4th to Venus, and even more all corresponding to the Hindu Navaratna [9 astronomic positions and jewels] and even more beyond.

The fact that there was a real world transformation in human awareness mathematically calculated codes based on 8th density patterns--decades in advance based on publications in the 1970s--to me demonstrates it was a proven way to calculate future events-- the passage of amendment 64 in colorado in November 2012 opened the minds of humans simultaneously in a way never before witnessed on a comparable scale.

I've never read anyone make the correlations that I have found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Amendment_64

I should just be patient but understanding properly to me actually means a person can calculate future events if the 14 densities are decoded. I don't know if it is that the ideas are too difficult to understand or people don't know what to say in response to the formulas.

To me people may be confusing the concept of a physical death and ego death in the context of harvests. Infinite intelligence in a One mind means nothing should be unaccessible in understanding.

[Navaratna]

Ah the classic meaty vs veggie thread. A bonafide way to cause disharmony by way of espousing ones personal biases on such a divisive subject. These never end well so the best answer is to do whatever you personally feel is right according to your personal journey. No one can answer it for you because to do so, is only coming from a place of distortion.

A correct way to think of it is that you are all the pork--you are one with the pork buffet. There is no separation if all is one.

You are the cow being slaughtered and the imagined idea of a karmic parallel reality where cows herd people.

Imagination is a part of the One mind, it exists in the same way that me giving you this idea shapes your surroundings by the impression and responses you enact from receiving from this message. You type a response and shape physical domains. This makes them "real" if "real" to some people means only physically solid things.

Unlimited imagination and solid bits and pieces of the world are intertwined this way.

[Agua]

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[Navaratna]

my understanding is that even these sources have their distortions, which might explain the discrepancies

I wouldnt see it that way.

If its from a channeling, the most obvious source of distortion is the channeler itself.
Especially in a non- trance channeling, all information has to come through the consciousness of the channeler. So its limited by the limitations of the channeler.

The second source of distortion are we ourselves.
We tend to believe we understand what we read.
Just take the Ra material for example and see if you can find an interpretation of a given statement and see if you find more than two people here who can agree on the same interpretation

So, everybody might read the same letters, but everybody reads a different text actually.

I think you are correct, I think I've run in to this problem trying to get opinions from people. People instantly assume that understanding the higher densities couldn't possibly be important to their experience when it actually is what programs it.

I have some difficulty understanding what you mean here, actually with most of what you wrote.

So, are you saying its important to understand higher densities to evolve?

Because I wouldnt agree the slightest bit. I think its a bit delusional to believe we could or even would understand higher densities.
I would even say the vast majority of us (if not all) do not even understand 3d. It is the work of 3d to „understand“ 3d. Once we do do, we are ready for harvest I would say.
Understanding higher densities is the work of those densities.

I believe a very basic lesson in 3d is to get to a point where con can clearly discern between the illusion one would understand something conceptionally as opposed to actually understanding it.

One of my favourite Ra quotes is: „It is of crucial importance for the entity to accept that it does not understand in order to become harvestable“ (not quoted literally)

But maybe I misread you, could you clarify?

favorite parts of the readings is here
It clearly indicates the green ray corresponds to your heart and is one of the only times Ra instructs a person to use an object to transform themselves.
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57.7 Questioner: Should the crystal be held in the right hand of the healer?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. There are two recommended configurations.
The first, the chain about the neck to place the crystal in the physical position of the green-ray energy center. Second, the chain hung from the right hand, out-stretched, wound about the hand in such a way that the crystal may be swung so as to effect sensitive adjustments.
We offer this information realizing that much practice is needed to efficiently use these energies of self. However, each has the capability of doing so, and this information is not information which, if followed accurately, can be deleterious.

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I think this is another good example.
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62.29 Questioner: Yes.

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.
Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.
May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?
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This is the chakra system. The chakra system is identified as the Mooladahara [1st density, red ray] which physically 'roots' you to Earth. The higher colors along the ROYGBIV spectrum are described as being activated/transformed as time goes on. Your heart [love, infinitely beating heart of the creator] is centered in the middle of the 7 colors.

The point of all kundalini is to energize and balances the energy clusters.

This song kind of reminds me how the Indigo ray...corresponding to the third eye became a thing back in the 70s and 80s where people were developing this idea the new generation was more intuitive. Whether or not it's real I just remember reading about it over time. Of course we're constantly evolving our intuition just look at the number of communication systems that have been made in the past 50 years. that's just a part of how our minds are transforming to keep up with all the stimuli we receive. This book is accurate but old, based on mind said to be many times older.

Sometimes there is confusion in older spiritual texts if there are 6 or 7 chakras. An explanation I read is that there were 6 before 1970 and this event opened the 7th. Who really knows, it depends on the individual. Maybe some people could only understand 6, while others 7, and some even 14 because there are said to be that many in Sahaja Yoga.

this youtube link depicts the opening of #7 for everyone on Earth. I think it is true, it is my opinion. It ties in to what Law of One is saying. They mention it in the process of taking shape. Here we are many years later. In my opinion saying you are not in 4th density is saying you have no heart. saying you have no 5th is saying you have no throat, 6 means no mind. 7 becomes difficult as it is not a part of the body. It is a source of energy flowing in to your head. 8 is the influence of the moon, at this point Ra material ends. Sahaja Yoga continues to 14 densities 9 is sun..the text in my previous posts here present the reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNYZAAQ0fM

[sillypumpkins]

Good point agua

[Agua]

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[Diana]

In addition to what Louisabell said above about plants and beans (thank you Louisabell), I have researched the database here and found some previous posts that speak to this thread and what has been posted on the issue at hand. I did this because we have gone over this subject many, many times—which indicates that there is much catalyst here, but also much curiosity and desire to evolve.

This from Jade:

You can eat plants without killing them, and in fact, it helps them. Fruits and vegetables contain seeds that, if processed naturally, end up back in the environment and that is how they propagate. Of course, modern plumbing is the bane then of fruits and vegetables, but truly, fruits and vegetables have evolved to be eaten by animals. I think we really need to get over the idea that just eating plants causes harm.

This from me:

The way I think of it is that I make choices that do the least harm. Plants have evolved to need animals to eat parts of them to propagate, and they don't die just because the fruits, seeds, flowers (like broccoli) and leaves are harvested. Plants don't have the same systems as we and animals do, especially a nervous system. Though plants have a survival instinct like all other life here, that survival is not the same as animal life. There are many factors that suggest plants are more geared to being eaten as sustenance, whereas we absolutely know animals do not want to be slaughtered (nevermind the torture they may endure in factory farms especially). You could mow down a field of weeds, wildflowers, wild plants, grasses, and the root systems would survive and continue to produce. Compare this to cutting off a leg of a cow. There are so many pointers that lead one to see plants as the natural (and kinder) food of this existence—since food there must be. Of course commercial farming is not ideal and does not usually align with any sort of compassion.

This from me:

Valtor Wrote:  Can I serve my other-selves by not eating? Not taking inside of me their energy? Will this end my incarnation? Maybe ending my incarnation in this way is the ultimate service-to-others act. It could be seen as very compassionate to other-selves, but also not compassionate to self. If compassion to others is used to measure polarity, then this sacrifice would provide extreme positive polarity?

The self is an other-self. This is part of the equation in my opinion. Respect for other-selves must include self. It is not balanced, in my opinion, to sacrifice.

In 3D, someone who is practicing compassion for all other-selves (including self) in regards to eating, might look around and consider what to eat. There is no reason to kill the self's vehicle. One could eat fruit, for instance.

Valtor Wrote:  Then, can I actually serve my other-selves by eating? Is it a communion in between self and other-self. The lower density other-selves (plants) sacrificing their incarnation to sustain ours. That is an act of love right ? Did these plants chose this before their incarnation? etc...

That was the kind of discussion of was trying to start at the beginning.

Plants offer parts of themselves to animals for food in order to propagate. This suggests a symbiotic, mutually beneficial relationship, rather than a sacrifice or offering of love on the part of the plants. I don't mean to say love is not involved. Just that it seems natural and beneficial for plant life to be food.

This from BrownEye:

3DMonkey Wrote:  Lol. I disagree completely. If you find yourself dropped in a jungle, meat is the ONLY way you will survive, and where there is a will there is a way.

I would love to see that. What I think you missed is the widely held belief that Man was created with fire in one hand and a spear in the other. Unless you want to believe that Man lived like jackals in the beginning, only eating flesh that was slow enough and sick enough to happen upon, I will stand by natural evolution and say it was impossible in the beginning. Even if it was not, then you have to accept that you are now at the bottom of the rung species wise, only having strength through reliance on technology and numbers, not brains or brawn.

I watched a nice show about a guy roughing it in the wild. He definitely had the will, but did not have the capability of the way. He was surrounded by flora and fauna, but believed he could only exist on animal matter. So even though he had a knife and emergency rations, he was pretty much starving from spending too much time hunting for porcupines which were the only thing slow enough for him to get close to. Instead of just eating what he had around him he wussed out and called for pickup in half the time that he advertised.

As I said earlier, it is a sick mind that ignores fruit hanging on a tree while salivating looking at an animal. If you see a cow eating flesh do you consider it normal? Or is it that it has not gone on long enough yet for society to believe it is completely normal? It is not natural or healthy, whether it applies to mind, body, or spirit. It is simply a result of programming by culture and society. The concept of programming the ego has been established since before the bible and Jesus brought it up himself in the most obvious text in the bible “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

I am not trying to convince you not to eat meat, You can eat your whole family and it would not bother me. What bothers me is when the wool is pulled over your eyes yet feeling the need to propagate that falsehood. Not you specifically of course, but any and all.

[sillypumpkins]

Thank you for taking the time to do that, diana, much appreciated.... it all makes much more sense to me now

[Navaratna]

@navaratna

Hmm, did you even refer to what I was asking or writing?
I cannot see a connection to what I wrote, so I am actually more confused than before.

But maybe thats what its about?

Maybe I should have linked the page on the Law of One site

https://www.lawofone.info/c/Densities?su=Fourth#Fourth

Fourth density corresponds to the green ray of color

7 colors on a rainbow,
Red 1 -orange 2- yellow 3- green 4 -blue 5 -indigo 6- violet 7-

Green ray corresponds. green ray of light.. 4th density. Fourth color of the 7 color spectrum visible to the human eye.

62.29 Questioner: Yes.

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed GREEN COLOR VIBRATORY locus for FOURTH-DENSITY ENTITIES which they will call Earth . During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.
Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and GREEN ENERGY nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the BLUE and the INDIGO.
May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?


47.5 Questioner: Then at FOURTH DENSITY GRADUATION IN TO FIFTH is there anything like the percentages you gave for third-density graduation into fourth for polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. There are, in your modes of thinking, responses we can make, which we shall make. However, the IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT THE GRADUATIONS FROM DENSITY TO DENSITY DO OCCUR. The positive/negative polarity is a thing which will, at the sixth level, simply become history. Therefore, we speak in an illusory time continuum when we discuss statistics of positive versus negative harvest into fifth. A large percentage of fourth-density negative entities continue the negative path from fourth- to fifth-density experience, for without wisdom the compassion and desire to aid other-self is not extremely well-informed. Thus though one loses approximately two percent moving from negative to positive during the fourth-density experience we find approximately eight percent of graduations into fifth density those of the negative.

Relationship to Navaratna,

Let us count 7 planets for now to keep it simple. I'll ignore moon and sun. Starting from the lower position of the moons rotation

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=saturn

22.17 Questioner: Was any action taken immediately, or did you wait for a call?

Ra: I am Ra. The Council of SATURN acted only in allowing the ENTRY IN TO THIRD DENSITY of other mind/body/spirit complexes of third density, not Wanderers, but those who sought further THIRD-DENSITY experience. This was done randomly so that free will would not be violated for there was not yet a call.

60.25 Questioner: Am I to understand then that the Confederation entity needs communication equipment and craft to communicate with the THIRD-DENSITY incarnate entity requesting the information?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. However, many of your peoples request the same basic information in enormous repetition, and for a social memory complex to speak ad infinitum about the need to meditate is a waste of the considerable abilities of such social memory complexes.
Thus some entities have had approved by the Council of Saturn the placement and maintenance of these message givers for those whose needs are simple, thus reserving the abilities of the Confederation members for those already meditating and absorbing information which are then ready for additional information.

Ruby (māṇikyaṃ) for Surya (taraṇeḥ) (Sun),
Pearl (muktāphalaṃ) for Chandra (Moon),
7 COLOR PURPLE DENSITY Red coral (vidrumaṃ) for Mangala (māheya) (Mars),
6 COLOR INDIGO DENSITY Emerald (maratakaṃ) for Budha (saumya) (Mercury),
5 COLOR BLUE DENSITY Yellow sapphire (puṣparājaṃ) for Bṛhaspati (devejya) (Jupiter),
4 COLOR GREEN DENSITY Diamond (vajraṃ) for Shukra (asurācārya) (***VENUS***),
3 COLOR YELLOW DENSITY Blue sapphire (nīlaṃ) for Shani (***SATURN***),----------------------------------------------
2 COLOR ORANGE DENSITY Hessonite (gomeda) for Rahu (the ascending lunar node)
1Cat's eye (vaidūryaṃ) for Ketu (the descending lunar node),


3RD density Saturn
3RD density Saturn
3RD density Saturn


14.6 Questioner: I understood you to say in an earlier session that pyramids were built to ring the Earth. How many pyramids were built?

Ra: I am Ra. There are six balancing pyramids and five two, fifty-two [52] others built for additional healing and initiatory work among your mind/body/spirit social complexes.

I'm a little bit tired right now so I'll get back to expanded on this but also read this

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=chain

The first, the chain about the neck to place the crystal in the physical position of the green-ray energy center.
physical position of the green-ray energy center.

chain about the neck to place the crystal in the physical position of the green-ray energy center.
physical position of the green-ray energy center.


chain about the neck to place the crystal in the physical position of the green-ray energy center.
physical position of the green-ray energy center.

chain about the neck to place the crystal in the physical position of the green-ray energy center.
physical position of the green-ray energy center.


Second, the chain hung from the right hand, out-stretched, wound about the hand in such a way that the crystal may be swung so as to effect sensitive adjustments.
We offer this information realizing that much practice is needed to efficiently use these energies of self. However, each has the capability of doing so, and this information is not information which, if followed accurately, can be deleterious.

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LEVEL 4 DENSITY GREEN RAY PLANET VENUS jewel diamond diamond diamond diamond diamond

58.3 Questioner: We have tried healing with the diamond crystal. I have tried both using the crystal around my neck and dangling it from a chain under my right hand. I think that possibly that to do the best work on the wrist I should dangle the crystal just below my right hand from a distance of just a centimeter or two, holding it directly above the wrist. Is this correct?

DIAMOND CRYSTAL
DIAMOND CRYSTAL
DIAMOND CRYSTAL

Ra: I am Ra. This would be appropriate if you were practiced at your healing art. To work with a powerful crystal such as you have, while unable to perceive the magnetic flux of the subtle bodies, is perhaps the same as recommending that the beginner, with saw and nail, create the Vatican.
There is great art in the use of the swung crystal. At this point in your development, you would do well to work with the unpowerful crystals in ascertaining, not only the physical major energy centers, but also the physical secondary and tertiary energy centers and then begin to find the corresponding subtle body energy centers. In this way, you may activate your own inner vision.

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=diamond

I'll elaborate on this later but the number 52 is relevant to the cycle of venus, I was trying to find the connection someone pointed out to me a while ago saying Ra is Venus in an aspect and is tied to the number 52. I just came across this

14.6 Questioner: I understood you to say in an earlier session that pyramids were built to ring the Earth. How many pyramids were built?

Ra: I am Ra. There are six balancing pyramids and five two, fifty-two [52] others built for additional healing and initiatory work among your mind/body/spirit social complexes.

Extended number sequence of 14 densities. Beginning with whole numbers 1-14, amplified by a single digit self-multiplication [example 1x1,2x2,3x3,4x4,] . This result of multiplication also adds the number 3 to show a correspondence to astronomical cycles. 49 is a significant number of days in multiple religions, 52 years is tracking the cycle of Venus. 64 turns in to a lunar year when multiplied by 6, 384 days. It turns in to 67 years which is the result of repeating the pattern of multiplifying 384 days by the number 64 = 67years [365 day long years [solar year]

1/4 years
4/7 years
9/12 years
16/19 years EDIT: THIS IS THE CORRECT POSITION IN FORMATTING, VENUS IS LOCATED HERE GREEN RAY 4th density
25/28 years
36/39 years

NOTE THIS MEANINGFUL NUMEROLOGY, IT IS FOUND IN THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE SLOPES OF SOME OF THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS ALSO AND

49/52 [EDIT: PLANET MARS]] 52 YEARS WHICH BEARS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 49 THE WAY 67 BEARS A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 64. Planetary CYCLE OF VENUS important in Ra material
64/67 [moon] years 8th density in Ra material [corresponding to Tarot cards and zodiac houses]
81/84 [sun] years 9th density in Ra material
100/103 years [Possibly Jupiter---corresponds to Hamsa Yoga chakra 10 in Sahaja Yoga.]
121/124 years
144/147 years
169/172 years
196/199 years

Simplified number sequence

1447912161925283639495264678184100103121124144147169172196199

Incomplete, in this sequence is contained the foundational code for a 14 level hologramatic representation of the universe from the beginning of the red ray until the 14th chakra of Sahaja yoga

im pretty tired...I'll be back in a little bit.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

Something I remember about the texts is that there is rarely any reference to objects that an individual can hold.

There's references to rubies and diamonds strung around chains, maybe you could say Tarot cards but those conversations are about the imagery.

It does back to how they didn't want to give humans a bias. You could say they talk about locations like the pyramids but you're not walking off with the pyramids any time soon.

This is probably why:

60.16. Ra: I am Ra ... it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

The wisdom teachings were lost when the libraries were burnt. The age of Essentialism is upon us.

I failed to grasp why the training aid becomes negative in such an usage.

I think that when spiritual learning becomes disconnected from practice, it can turn into a bubble which separates the learner from others. Loosely related to that, I can see the need for myself, after several years of intense inner experience and learning, to bridge a gap and translate what I have inside into something which others can meaningfully relate to. Otherwise, an island of learning inside a person can gradually turn into a sinkhole. But when turned into something meaningfully shared, it can become a basis for connection, instead of disconnection.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

Ah the classic meaty vs veggie thread. A bonafide way to cause disharmony by way of espousing ones personal biases on such a divisive subject. These never end well so the best answer is to do whatever you personally feel is right according to your personal journey. No one can answer it for you because to do so, is only coming from a place of distortion.

So far, so good, in this thread - but the potential for destructive drama is there.

I think what often happens is that people bring out their inner divisiveness. With more maturity, discussions like these do not have to turn nasty.

Personally, I have been firmly on both sides of the fence in the past. Earlier in my life, I was vegetarian for a number of years. Later, I was on a paleo diet based around organic meat and plenty of fat for some years. Currently, I'm not on any diet.

Some people do well as vegetarians or even vegans. Some do not, even if they heed all of the best advice on nutrition.

Some people do well on an Atkins diet of only meat and fat. Some do not, even if they heed all of the best advice on nutrition.

Both extremes have potential for some cases of medical illnesses.

In general, I see no need to push people towards either, nor towards the conventional ideas of a "balanced diet". But I think it's worthwhile to point out that there's no conclusive answer as to the one right diet for people into positive spirituality.

[Navaratna]

I think the main problem with a mostly vegan diet is a b-vitamin deficiency.

I don't see any reasoning for promoting a mostly meat diet. Greens like spirulina don't have any comparison. There is no super nutritious meat and from what I remember if it isn't lamb none of the animal fat is healthy. Pork is something I'll never eat.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I don't see any reasoning for promoting a mostly meat diet. Greens like spirulina don't have any comparison. There is no super nutritious meat and from what I remember if it isn't lamb none of the animal fat is healthy. Pork is something I'll never eat.

The most nutrient-dense animal-based food is the type which people no longer eat as much. Bone broth, a soup cooked from marrow bones, was once a staple for the poor. Organ meats, like heart and kidney, contain the nutrients needed for the organs to function in the animal, and have way more micronutrients than muscle meat. Such types of food are needed in order for an all-animal diet to provide what the body needs.

As for reasons for extreme low-carbohydrate and high-fat diets, the most well-known may be as the old way to treat epilepsy. Prior to modern medication, strict adherence to such a diet was the way to prevent seizures. This still works, but the use of medication is now standard instead.

The more popular reasons are the arguments of the LCHF (low-carb, high-fat) crowd. Wolfgang Lutz (German doctor and LCHF popularizer) describes cases of people with hormone imbalances, who are either distinctly overweight or underweight while eating a healthy amount of food; he found that reducing carbs greatly and eating more fat instead corrects the imbalance and weight issue for them.

There's further arguments for LCHF, which you can find by searching for it, if interested. And, of course, there's also various counterarguments.

As for the big question of saturated fat (whether animal or plant, coconut oil being a vegan option), modern alternative paradigms cast doubt on the entire "fat scare". The fat scare began with Ancel Keys, who cherry-picked data from 7 countries out of over 20 to provide a statistical curve showing how dangerous fat is. Selecting a different set of 7 from the original data yields the opposite curve. LCHF authors usually summarize modern studies pointing to saturated fat not being bad; mainstream researchers like to point to the opposite type of statistics.

[Navaratna]

I don't see any reasoning for promoting a mostly meat diet. Greens like spirulina don't have any comparison. There is no super nutritious meat and from what I remember if it isn't lamb none of the animal fat is healthy. Pork is something I'll never eat.

The most nutrient-dense animal-based food is the type which people no longer eat as much. Bone broth, a soup cooked from marrow bones, was once a staple for the poor. Organ meats, like heart and kidney, contain the nutrients needed for the organs to function in the animal, and have way more micronutrients than muscle meat. Such types of food are needed in order for an all-animal diet to provide what the body needs.

As for reasons for extreme low-carbohydrate and high-fat diets, the most well-known may be as the old way to treat epilepsy. Prior to modern medication, strict adherence to such a diet was the way to prevent seizures. This still works, but the use of medication is now standard instead.

The more popular reasons are the arguments of the LCHF (low-carb, high-fat) crowd. Wolfgang Lutz (German doctor and LCHF popularizer) describes cases of people with hormone imbalances, who are either distinctly overweight or underweight while eating a healthy amount of food; he found that reducing carbs greatly and eating more fat instead corrects the imbalance and weight issue for them.

There's further arguments for LCHF, which you can find by searching for it, if interested. And, of course, there's also various counterarguments.

As for the big question of saturated fat (whether animal or plant, coconut oil being a vegan option), modern alternative paradigms cast doubt on the entire "fat scare". The fat scare began with Ancel Keys, who cherry-picked data from 7 countries out of over 20 to provide a statistical curve showing how dangerous fat is. Selecting a different set of 7 from the original data yields the opposite curve. LCHF authors usually summarize modern studies pointing to saturated fat not being bad; mainstream researchers like to point to the opposite type of statistics.

Yeah but lards..are natural trans fats.
What in your opinion causes atherosclerosis?

Omega 3, 9 and the unique royal jelly omega 10 are all healthy for the brain to burn. The brain is composed mostly of fat. I guess fish contains omega 3, but so much fish is contaminated with oceanic pollution I wouldn't bother. It's different if you go to a clean lake but people generally don't. I don't think omega 9 is really found in meat, and that's the kind that hempseed contains a surprising amount of.

Most others will clog your arteries. Trans fats synthetic or the natural amounts in beef should be completely avoided. They stick to your arteries and are total poison to the metabolism.

Pork fat, their particular variety of triglycerides I think I remember are implicated in being a risk factor for developing Alzheimers.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

There's four main types of fats:
- Polyunsaturated, the main fat in most vegetable oils. They oxidize easily, turning effectively rancid when heated, and are on that basis not suitable for use in frying things. Best served cold, stored in the dark.
- Monounsaturated, olive oil being a main example. A healthy fat to eat, but that "extra virgin" quality goes poof when you heat it to the frying point.
- Saturated, coconut oil being extreme, animal fats usually more mixed. The perfect fats for frying things in, as they don't go bad.
- Trans fats, made by "hardening" non-saturated fats into molecules different from those produced by organisms. Take the process further and you get plastic.

#3 and #4 are not the same. Trans fats are saturated, but natural saturated fats do not have the same molecular shapes.

Before the paradigm of saturated fat being dangerous became established, the main opposing view was that sugar is the culprit. That explanation remains popular in the LCHF crowd, either by itself or with the addition that it is the combination of sugar and saturated fat which causes the problem. I don't have any informed-enough view on atherosclerosis beyond pointing to those main ideas.

[sillypumpkins]

If anyone is interested, I found an excerpt from the December 29th 2019 channeling of Q'uo, that speaks on the topic of consuming animal meat and plants.

Page 7399 of this (massive) transcript: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4-kL5m...kdeE-/view