How do you heal the energy centers?

[AnthroHeart]

Indy, I don't think simply saying: "my chakras are unblocked" is how it works.

You gotta know WHY they're blocked to begin with. And unblock THAT.

Maybe instead use this intention: "I intend to get as far out of my comfort zone as humanly possible and embrace experiencing my fear of death in a harmless manner"

That would be a GREAT way to enter the Tau, which is the path from Malkuth to Yesod. It is the first path you go on when learning kabbalah, and it is supposedly the most important journey anyone ever makes.

Though I find it's infinite intelligence that does the work.
We have to know what we want, not necessarily how it will work.

[rinzler]

Okay so based on the responses I've gotten you all tell me how to heal my energy centers but now where to get the energy from to do that?
You know when you're depressed you have so little energy you can barely get out of bed? I've read about energy raising techniques but there needs to be a start. Like with a car engine you need a spark plug.
You know in my soul/being it feels as if the spark is gone and I wish there was someone or something who could just enlighten that spark again.
To be honest, at this point in time and place I don't have anyone or anything really. It's just myself. It's been that way for a long time and troughout my path I trusted others and was severely dissapointed and betrayed.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm not really capable of helping myself anymore. Imagine having to cross the river but you can't move. When you tell someone who has depression to get up and get over himself it's like you're telling a man in a wheelchair to get up and walk.
I've prayed,cried did all the stuff and got nothing. Nothing and noone.

[sillypumpkins]

rinzler, I think I understand your situation a little more now. I apologize if my response was lacking in empathy toward your situation

with that being said, I'll leave it at this: I hope you continue to come here and ask questions. Feel free to drop me a PM if you want to chat/vent/anything.... I know I talk a lot, but I can also listen

stay safe

[AnthroHeart]

Rinzler, I hope this is of some help, but you could say to the Universe "Every day in every way I'm getting better and better."
Words have power as you know.
You could also say "My root chakra is balanced." or "Universe, please balance my root chakra."
It responds to those words. You might not feel it at first. It's sort of like "fake it till you make it" as they say.
I hope this helps.

[AnthroHeart]

Rinzler, I apologize if I have seemed a little disrespectful by not taking note of your troubles.
I kept offering advice, maybe that was uncalled for.

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[Diana]

I very much agree with Agua. 

The Einstein quote: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” seems apropos here. This is not to say anyone is insane. Just that a fresh perspective is indicated, and letting go of distractions that aren't working.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Indy, I don't think simply saying: "my chakras are unblocked" is how it works.

You gotta know WHY they're blocked to begin with. And unblock THAT.

Maybe instead use this intention: "I intend to get as far out of my comfort zone as humanly possible and embrace experiencing my fear of death in a harmless manner"

That would be a GREAT way to enter the Tau, which is the path from Malkuth to Yesod. It is the first path you go on when learning kabbalah, and it is supposedly the most important journey anyone ever makes.

Though I find it's infinite intelligence that does the work.
We have to know what we want, not necessarily how it will work.

With all due respect Gem, this is one of the things where we DO have to do the work. If infinity did ALL the hard work for us as soon as the intention was set, there would be no reason to even be here in the first place. THIS is exactly the kind of stuff we have to do for ourselves. If we don't put in the work, it's not gonna get done. Expecting infinity to do the work for you is a good excuse to avoid having to do it, but not a good way to get it done. Sorry. As someone who is dealing with this myself, I am telling you we HAVE to do the work. As much as the work sucks. And I don't like it either. But it's either do it, or stay stuck in a kind of self induced prison, which sucks away worse.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

If I understand you guys correctly, you mainly face something that you seem to not be able to face.
Considering this, I honestly think that doing any kind of exercices is not an option for you at the moment.

I also believe all the conceptualization, attempts to understand, aligning it with whatever spiritual concepts ultimately only serves one purpose:
To procrastinate the moment you actually have to feel what you feel.
What I can tell you from my experience is, it wont go away.

I am working a lot with Ayahuasca. I think this work is not much different from all other healing work, just more intense.

There are a few things I learned:
Ayahuasca and the other spirits involved as well as my Higher Self bring up whatever needs to be healed.
I repeatedly get the message: relax, lean back, surrender.

Its not my job to do anything.

Darkness is not true, negativity is not true.
It has no real existence on its own.
The truth is pure light.

But there are areas, inside of us, where, for whatever reason, this truth has been denied.
We cannot go back to light, to truth, when we deny or avoid darkness.
Because, we only fight it because we believe its true.
It has a temporary truth to it, but only temporary.

By not fighting it, by surrendering to what arises, by not resisting it, we can realize that its not true.
Each time I am confronted with negativity, pain, darkness with Ayahuasca, I surrender to it as much as possible.
I realize, its negative energy that was hidden in my system brought to awareness. And sooner or later, it dissolves into light.

And I found, the same is true for everyday life.
Our guidance, whatever name you give it, brings up what we can let go now. It is being brought up, so we can experience it, look at it, and this is how healing occurs.

O, I find the whole conceptualization absolutely pointless, fruitless, useless, to be honest.
Sooner or later, we have to face it anyway.

Relax into it.
Surrender to it.
Breathe.

Thats all we need to do, and that is all we can do.

And if we cannot do it alone, go to someone who can really be there  physically, a friend, a therapist.

Missed this. Great advice. Only problem is the therapist part. Good therapists are hard to come by. Therapists who don't really have a clue are a dime a dozen, especially the "connect you with a legalized drug dealer (AKA psychiatrist) and make up diagnoses to help decide which pills you need" variety.

I think it's really actually dangerous and irresponsible for people to tell others to get professional help. Rarely is that professional help actually helpful. Far more often, it is harmful.

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[rinzler]

Okay so based on the responses I've gotten you all tell me how to heal my energy centers but now where to get the energy from to do that?
You know when you're depressed you have so little energy you can barely get out of bed?  I've read about energy raising techniques but there needs to be a start. Like with a car engine you need a spark plug.
You know in my soul/being it feels as if the spark is gone and I wish there was someone or something who could just enlighten that spark again.  
To be honest, at this point in time and place I don't have anyone or anything really. It's just myself. It's been that way for a long time and troughout my path I trusted others and was severely dissapointed and betrayed.  
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm not really capable of helping myself anymore.  Imagine having to cross the river but you can't move.  When you tell someone who has depression to get up and get over himself it's like you're telling a man in a wheelchair to get up and walk.
I've prayed,cried did all the stuff and got nothing. Nothing and noone.

Hi Rinzler,
I fully understand where you are at!
What I was trying to say with my posts:

I suffered from lifelong depression, having been stuck in deep misery that I seemed unable to get out. So I can really relate.

Regarding all those „exercices“ like balancing exercises, chakra based „understanding“ and the likes, I never in many many years had even the slightest bit of success with that.
The same goes for affirmations and similar stuff.

With all due respect to everybody here, I honestly think
- people either never had your kind of problems, and so, despite undoubtedly good intentions just cannot relate. The balancing exrvives for example might work for them, but I have yet to see someone who has healed severe depression, anxiety, fear with that.
- or the advice come from people you have the same problems, but , despite advicing certain methods, obviously did not suceed themselves with these methods.

A problem that arises from that is, that you, instead of being helped, actually feel more inadequate, thinking you are the only loser who is too stupid to do it right.
To look at it more realistically, I dont think being medicated with psych-meds is what you would call sucessfully healed.

Again, intending no offense, but to be really honest, I think the majority of the post here express a helplessness and a (perceived) incapability to actually deal with what is happening right now on an emotional level.
In that regard, it sometimes seems, this serves as an echochamber, were a bunch of people who basically all have the same problem(s), try to reassure each other in their attempt of running away from it.
In my opinion, especially with such a difficult condition as yours, this keeps you much more in it than helping you out.

For me in my own healing, there were a few crucial factors involved, that helped me move forward and ultimately got me out of this.
And, to repeat it once more, the „understanding of chakras“ most definetly was not a part of it, quite the contrary, letting go of wanting to understand it on a „technical level“ and letting go of wanting to control it was a major key.

It was much more about getting a clearer picture of what was happening with me on an emotional level that helped me.

If you want, I can elaborate on that.

All the best for your healing!

Thank you. I'd really be interested in that.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Missed this. Great advice. Only problem is the therapist part. Good therapists are hard to come by. Therapists who don't really have a clue are a dime a dozen, especially the "connect you with a legalized drug dealer (AKA psychiatrist) and make up diagnoses to help decide which pills you need" variety.

I think it's really actually dangerous and irresponsible for people to tell others to get professional help. Rarely is that professional help actually helpful. Far more often, it is harmful.

I live in a different country with a different medical system, so I cannot really tell about how easy or not it is to find good therapy.
I am pretty sure however, that in most countries, there are good therapists.

I can only help with finding one in my country, but I am sure, there are other people here who can give tips in the US.

I would not judge therapy in general by one bad experience.

However, you say „rarely is that help helpful, far more often its harmful“ based on, as far as I know, one therapist you have been to?
Hmm...

What I can tell from my experience, manly from my own healing process, there are issues and stages that are, although in theory possible, actually impossible to get through alone (for the vast majority of people).
Once you healed those, you will understand why...

One therapist? No. Definitely not based on ONE therapist. Where did you get THAT from? And I'm not the ONLY one. I have heard this from numerous others as well. Yes, there ARE good therapists, but not that many, sadly.

And the fact is, you get who a) lives within a distance you can get to and b) you can afford.

Nonetheless, the therapist I currently have is alright, although not that great. Same with the one before him. I am also getting the help of a behavioural specialist.

I'm getting the help I can. What I'm saying is this: People often treat therapy like it's this big helpful thing and more often than not from what I've observed, it's not. And I don't blame people who give up on getting a good therapist and who feel they can do better on their own, because I have seen what they're talking about. Even the therapists that are alright are JUST alright and not particularly all that helpful. Mind you, this typically costs money a lot of people can't afford. Only reason we still go to my therapist is because I got vocational rehabilitation to pay for his services. Otherwise, not worth the money and neither was the last guy.

And that was after doing our homework and learning who to avoid, and after screening for the different modalities utilized. Sadly, the few that were particularly promising wouldn't take dad's insurance.

Not "One bad experience" Agua. Just... experience. And the experiences of many others. I would go so far as to say, the people who I have seen judge the harshest for NOT wanting to get "professional help" are the ones who base their understandings off of one GOOD therapist and do not realize how rare that therapist is.

I am sure it is necessary to heal certain issues with others, but therapy is not always the way to do it.

I'm not against trying to find SOME way to not go it alone, but therapy isn't always the answer, and I'm a little sick of it being treated like this holy grail of emotional/psychological healing, like just getting a therapist will solve the problem and like all therapy is GOOD therapy and as if factors like time, distance and money (especially money) aren't all important factors as well.

Good therapy exists, surely. But it's rare. And that doesn't take distance and cost into account.

Let me ask you something, Agua...

Assuming my therapist is not all that helpful, who do I look to for whatever kind of connection will help me through this and WHAT kind of connection(s) will help me heal?

What do I do, who/what kind of person/people should I be looking for to do it with and how would you recommend I go about doing that?

I am SURE you are right about this not being something to do alone, but who should I be going through this with, what do I look for to know they're the person/people to do it with, how do I meet them and what do I do with them in the first place?

On one hand, it feels like doing this alone is my only option. On the other, I recognize that is probably just bullshit victim talk. Yet, I don't know how to NOT do this alone. So how DO I not do this alone? I'm not meaning to trash ALL of therapy, but it doesn't seem to be helping ME much and I'm doing the best I can on that front.

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[sillypumpkins]

Btw, you might find at a later point in your journey that a therapist is, by design, usually subject to projection
That actually is one reason why it can be so helpful!

Yep! It's a two-way street, a lot don't realize this.

I have friends and family who have claimed "therapy doesn't work for me," and it's like... okay fair enough, but are you putting anything into it?

[EvolvingPhoenix]

"This is not about being right or convincing anybody."

I think you and I are quite frankly not really fully having the same discussion here. LEt me break down my stance here: regarding my PERSONAL life, sure. I agree it is a good idea to get a good therapist.

Regarding a major societal issue that is currently going unaddressed because of attitudes that get put into the zeitgeist, expressing sentiments like yours and sillypumpkin's, I wholeheartedly disagree.

Let me make something clear, the problem here in the US is more than systemic. It is cultural.

The entire attitude is different.

Pills are seen as a solution by many therapists as well as by the culture at large, and instead of trying to really understand the problem, many therapists simply revert to their schooling and try to figure out which box to place the patient in: this disorder, that disorder, this neat label, that neat little box of categorization, etc. and then reduce the problem to it's label disorder rather than really seek to truly understand it, because that would be inconveninet. When it is children and teens, they are commonly ignored and told to conform to often toxic parental expectations in order to behave properly, because behaviour is seen as more important than actual emotional and mental health, hence, the pills and the bad advice. Not to mention they want to avoid lawsuits because America is a very litigious nation and because it is the parents paying for the sessions. All too often, therapists in America are willing to act as enforcers for the parents of the children and teens they are supposed to be helping, for those very reasons. Even when the parents are very toxic and emotionally abusive.

When it is adults, the same applies, minus the parental coercion. Although, if a patient seeks to cut ties from a toxic family, they are met with extreme reactionary pressures to not do it, not because it's what's really in the patients' best interest, but because it makes the therapist uncomfortable to think of such things, because they refuse to be open to their own way of life challenged. Their own comfort zone. And possibly even challenged to take a closer look at their own familial relationships. Projection is also a "2 way street" in therapy all too often in America. Any patient who is not easy to deal with is unloaded onto whoever they can be unloaded onto, because most don't want to deal with patients in the most need of healing.

Then there are the mental hospitals. From what you would read on the internet, they SWEAR up and down that those places are no longer draconian and horrible hell holes, and that the "Nurse Ratchet" depiction is just an outdated Hollywood movie trope. It's not. Ask most people who have been in and out of such facilities and they will tell you it's absolutely HORRIFYING how "patients" are treated there. I'm talking rape. I'm talking pills so powerful you don't even know what's going on and are left a slobbering idiot with no awareness whatsoever and no memory of what happens you're pilled up, used as a favourite form of punishment for getting on a staff ember's bad side in any way shape or form, with no compassion or empathy anywhere in sight. I am talking about treating the "patients" like animals, if even. But then putting on a show if being observed and making sure srticles inaccurately reflect the true state of mental facilities, because it's not like people are going to pay too much attention, care or listen to what these crazies have to say anyway when "professional" sources contradict it. Keep them prisoner to milk insurance companies. Etc. etc. Often, they are driven MORE insane than when they went in.

There is a serious problem within the mental health industry in America (and I DO mean INDUSTRY) where people are just labeled with some convenient, yet not truly accurate, surface level representing categorization for the sake of convenience and prescribed pills and prescribed a treatment plan that more focuses on behaviour than it does on actual healing, because the APPEARANCE is what is cared about, not the actuality. This is all too common.

MY problem is this: I am bringing up this problem and expressing frustration with how it is swept under the rug and ignored by people, and low and behold, you and sillypumpkin prove my point.

All to often, attitudes of "you're just not trying hard enough" or "you're not putting in enough effort" are made rather presumptuously and used as a means of handwaving or delegitimizing the issue.

Add on top of that, ridiculous assertions such as yours that at worst, bad therapy is MERELY unhelpful, but not harmful, and you have a problem that becomes an elephant in the room and anybody who addresses this elephant in the room gets met with unfair assumptions and derisive attitudes.

Nothing changes because nobody admits anything is in NEED of changing.

Yes, there are PLENTY of good therapists. You know what there are far more of? People in NEED of good therapists. Unfortunately, the demand seems to far exceed the supply and so many out there are unwilling to acknowledge that, that the problem is inevitably swept under the rug and ignored, as are the concerns of the people most affected by it.

Since you like to appeal to your years of experience on the matter, don't take my word for it. Take Daniel Mackler's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2-p4A7Bl6s&t=4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Fi32LbXHA&t=4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8yvva76eDc&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqvqLUSNv98&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVuGPT6QBEc&t=5s

He used to BE a psychotherapist in the US and HIS experiences have left him feeling majourly disillusioned, as is the case for many patients as well.

Whenever this disillusionment is expressed, it is sadly quite frequently met with these kinds of responses. In your case, it may just be because you are German. I don't know what country sillypumpkin is from.

Anyway, you're assertion that bad therapy is at worst useless and does no harm is patently false.

I shall take your advice to heart Agua, I just encourage you to open your mind to the possibility that regardless of what you think you know about therapy, there may me more to it than you are really catching. I invite you to consider that the things I have just talked about might actually be a legitimate issue for at least the United States, and are in actual need of both addressing and changing. I invite sillypumplkin and anybody who cosigns either of your statements on the matter to seriously consider this as well.

I'm not saying there's anything you can DO about it, just that it's something to acknowledge and not dismiss.

As for HOW it can/should be changed? I don't know exactly, but I can tell you how it WON'T change: by refusing to even consider that it is a real thing. Or by refusing to consider that it is more than a rare occurrence.

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That being said, that doesn't mean I can't still endeavor to find and utilize a good therapist myself. I am not denying that I might still yet do it. I think you misunderstood what my real issue is with the subject and mistook it to merely be one based entirely on my own experiences and limited to literally just one (another unfair assumption)

Like I said, I will still take your advice to heart.

I see your point that a GOOD therapist is worth their weight in gold, and I do not argue with that. I shall endeavor to get the therapy I need. It may take some time and a lot of effort finding a way to make the stars align though. Probably.

As for personal relationships, yeah, I'm afraid to put that kind of burden onto a personal relationship. I see it as inevitably ending in disaster and more painful disconnection and sense of damaged trust. I don't want that.

As for me personally though, it probably would be for the best that I do whatever I need to do to get the best therapy possible for me. I understand how important it will be to improve my healing. I just wish there were enough of these kinds of people to go around.

I can't really see it working to get anybody else for help. It's too much to expect of them, and most couldn't anyway, even if they wanted to.

Thanks again for the advice Agua. Now to find out how I can even find a therapist who isn't of little use or worse...

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Btw, you might find at a later point in your journey that a therapist is, by design, usually subject to projection
That actually is one reason why it can be so helpful!

Yep! It's a two-way street, a lot don't realize this.

I have friends and family who have claimed "therapy doesn't work for me," and it's like... okay fair enough, but are you putting anything into it?

Is that ACTUALLY a question? I don't think it is.

It's an assumption. And it isn't a fair one.

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@Phoenix

You re right, we re not in the same discussion
I fully agree with the whole approach of therapy and medicine needing to change, fullheartedly.
Dont take this as an offense, I would prefer to discuss this in a separate thread, for this one is not about the system but personal healing. So I would like to offer what works i stead of focussing on whats wrong with the system!

You know, one disadvantage of a forum such as this is, information easily gets buried. There are questions and people might post helpful answers, but after a couple of days, the threads get buried under loads of transient stuff, so I d try to focus on rinzlers problem here.

You only need ONE good therapist, you as a single person only need ONE.
And that ONE definetely is out there!
It usually is a part of the healing process to be ready for that and to „move“ there bit by bit.

And, definetely, counter- projection and transfer is a part of everyday work in therapy, every therapist has to deal with that natural phenomenon. It starts to happen each time you enter a relationship, and therapy is all about relationship.

To illustrate my point, I ´ll use an example from my life:
There is a guy I met over the internet who was and is in deep trouble.
Over the course of maybe a year, we exchanged many hundreds of emails.
I wrote down most of what I found out in my own healing and traing, as well as many experiences of working with others.
In the end, he had a comprehensive map of how blockages, issues, problems arise in our early life stages, how the play out later in life, how to recognize them, how to go about healing them.
Additionally I shared almost all the tools I used in my own healing and work.
This was actually a complete guide to self healing, although not that structured.
What did it help? Almost nothing!
The guy has not been able to use this information, to use the tools.

Why is that? Is he an idiot?
No, not at all, he actually is quite an intelligent man.

The crucial aspect that was always missing is PERSONAL CONTACT.
Because of that, as I described in a post above, I (and most of all he) have always been dealing with the defense mechanisms of a little child.
And there was no one present to assure his safety.
Because of that, he actually always was and probably still is fighting to survive, and so cannot afford to relax and start to heal.

If you have those kinds of issues, its very very hard to do it alone, not impossible, but it would require such a level of trust, faith and self- responsibility, that this can not be expected from most people.
The only thing that can help then, is, if you have suffered enough.
And this can take many many years for most

Therapy is a much faster way

But I am not saying its impossible!

Right. I get what you're saying Agua.

Like I said, I'll get a better therapist. Although I don't know exactly how to find that better therapist or how to get their services. I'll figure it out though. Until then, I'm learning whatever stuff I can to move forward in my healing process. Just last night, I discovered a mantra that has caught my interest: the Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra. It's a pain in the ass having to learn a whole song for a mantra, but I have the means to learn it. Might help to sing that. I'm also learning other stuff that I find useful, but I'd rather not talk too much about it. "Trust, faith and self-responsibility" huh? Well, Reaper's drilling that LAST part into me. The first two though? Those are going on the list

Thanks Agua.

[sillypumpkins]

Btw, you might find at a later point in your journey that a therapist is, by design, usually subject to projection
That actually is one reason why it can be so helpful!

Yep! It's a two-way street, a lot don't realize this.

I have friends and family who have claimed "therapy doesn't work for me," and it's like... okay fair enough, but are you putting anything into it?

Is that ACTUALLY a question? I don't think it is.

It's an assumption. And it isn't a fair one.

I hear what you're saying.

However, I am speaking only of my experience and I apologize if I was a little clumsy in expressing that.

In my personal experience, friends/family who have mentioned this to me are people who I know are timid about looking at their emotions from a "distance".... if that makes sense. People who have gone to therapy, thinking it will "fix" them without any effort on their part. So that is where I was coming from with that question. It was directed toward those in my personal life.

With that being said, you have given me something to think about in regards to the effectiveness of conventional therapy.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Cool by me. I getcha. I just feel like there are a lot of people let down by the whole thing who may nit even know HOW to address their emotions and they aren't the only one's addressing the issue from a safe i intellectual distance. That's the norm and it is how most therapists are trained: take a clinical perspective and approach it in terms of categorizations and heady concepts, with a heaping side order of pharmaceutical drugs.

So maybe they don't approach the issues from a place of real involvement, but then neither do a lot of therapists. And it is, as you say, a 2 way street. But who knows? Maybe the therapist was more involved.

[Plenum]

Just wanted to drop a quick note. And say thanks.

An awesome discussion.

 

[rinzler]

I forgot:

Of course, therapy is not the magical pill.
It still takes a lot of work on your own.

The main aspect though is:
Without that support in the critical beginning stage, many people dont even start healing.
There is really no judgement involved, but look around here, read the posts.
There are many people in need of healing. But all that happens is procrastination, pondering spiritual concepts, theories and the likes.
And after sometimes many years they still didnt even start to heal, i stead a false self image is created, a spiritual „progress“ is beimg imagined, while a simple look at basic life parameters would reveal that no healing happens.
And in that regard it functions as an echochamber here :/

To get that crucial support that helps you to get started, helps you finally find the courage to dive into it instead of explaining it away, is the main function when starting such a thing as a therapy in my experience!

Hold on, are you saying that we incarnate on earth, then get traumatized and eventually have to work on resolving the trauma that was created in this lifetime? How does that solve problems? It just creates more of them. What about the past life baggage? How does that get resolved?
I know some people say we incarnate to solve certain issues with our "soul" but in my opinion it just creates more problems than it solves. Look no further than the negative. It was barely meant to exist and yet it is ravaging troughout this planet consuming and taking control of everything and everyone. I'm sick of everyone saying "look look the mass arrests are coming soon" "the pleiadians are going to save us all and everything happens for a reason".blah blah blah
Noone's coming. This planet has been left to fend for itself. I remember reading about one guy who mentioned what the aliens think of us. He basically said they view humanity as doomed and both factions (STO;STS) are trying to take over this planet after the die-off. I'm sure those who get harvested are fine but this giant cosmic mess is why the number is so little. I'm sick of hearing that it's all part of a divine plan. "All is love and light and all will be fine" f***-ups happen, even in the higher ups.

Not everything is love. To view it as such is to be blinded by love and lacking any sort of wisdom. After all, 4th density is all about compassion ,5th about wisdom and 6th density all about balance between love and light. It was a mistake to interfere in the first place and I'm not the only one who sees it that way(see quarantine of our entire planet by the guardians)
Just wanted to clear that up. Sorry for the rant.

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[Diana]

Or maybe they ARE part of that mundane work. Anyway, you make those things sound easy.

"Become who you want to be"?

"Do what is in alignment with who you know you truly are"?

These statements presume too much.

What makes you so cocksure that a person who is horrendously blocked in their lower chakras would truly know who they are, who really they want to be, what they really want to do in life? What makes you so sure they know how they as individuals really want to live their lives?

Then you suggest they heal by doing these things: "Take care of the physical, mental, and spiritual aspects of self. "

Well no s***, but HOW DOES ONE BEST DO THAT if one is so disconnected from oneself that it is difficult to even get into the body, know what ideas are truly healthy when one is unhealed and lacks discernment and when they are too ungrounded due to trauma to properly attune to the needs of their spirit?

A starving man has asked how to resolve his hunger and your response is to tell him to eat something.

First, he would need to know how to get a hold of food to do that.

Your response lacks empathy.

I understand your response, and I totally get Maslow's needs and its implications. My post was too short and did not explain properly what I meant. Let me be more clear.

Instead of looking outside of self for answers, I suggest looking at self. Not in a critical way. I mean to focus objectively on self in all ways. The idea is to look for solutions or a different approach—change the focus—from problems to effective action. 

The first thing is to be honest with self. This is what I meant by "Become who you want to be" and "Do what is in alignment with who you know you truly are." Look at your life. Does who you see yourself as line up with how you behave in the world? This will pierce the surface of self-deception which is a culprit in reacting and behavioral patterns, etc. We deceive ourselves as a survival mechanism. To be honest with self—really honest—is not easy. All the ways in which we are not honest with ourselves are blockages, because we must maintain the deceptions like walls, which hampers forward movement.

"Take care of the physical, mental, and spiritual aspects of self." By this I meant:

1. Physical. Get some exercise. Agua's suggestion of walking is an excellent one. Any movement of the physical body is good, especially when depressed. It's the last thing a depressed person wants to do, as depression is paralyzing, but it makes a difference if you can break the inertia and move. Eat well. Again, a depressed person does not "want" to do this. But you can decide to do it, and do it. This is not to say I am being cavalier about people in the world who are literally starving, or lack the means to buy optimal food. Still, if lack of funds is the problem, choices can still be made such as buying a package of carrots over a fast-food hamburger.

2. Mental. Self-honesty as explained above. Beyond that, you can decide who you want to be if you can't figure out what you are. The concept of a Wanderer is a good example of this. Some people who think they are Wanderers struggle to figure out their origin, their mission, their reality as a Wanderer. I think a better use of mental energy is to decide who you want to be here, what you want to do, and proceed from there; and the reality of that is that you will likely be aligning WITH your Wander's mission by doing so as it is part of you are anyway. But focusing on trying to remember who you are rather than creating who you are wastes a lot of time. You can decide now. The following article may be helpful regarding this:
What If You Are a Wanderer but You Don't Remember Why You Came Here?

3. Spiritual. This is an individual preference. Whatever gets a person out of the "maelstrom" of human drama, such as meditation, and connects one to something greater is indicated here—ideally part of a life routine. I don't mean to suggest being a monk sitting in a cave and denying an existence here, with the attitude that this existence doesn't matter because it's ephemeral. Just that some consideration be given to a larger view, and put into practice as an action here.

I am aware that it's not easy. But we make choices every minute. Every choice is an opportunity.

[flofrog]

Great thread, thank you guys. I just wanted to add a small thing as I was re-reading it. EP has a great point, I think, about the difference between good and bad therapists here, and some systemic attitudes from the profession.
Many many years ago due to a really dark passage with my husband I was lucky enough to see a good one. It was a safe place where I could be for an hour, without feeling fear of my mate, and it made me look really deep into what I was doing and not doing. But I was lucky to have someone like a rock who very objectively made me look, and gave me tools to use on myself. I had a friend who was going through dark passage too and her therapist was singularly different.

Great post Diana

[AnthroHeart]

Do you think it would be more beneficial to have a therapist who works with spirituality?

My therapist doesn't, but he's good to talk to.

[flofrog]

as to me, Gem, I don't know, I think it depends on who sees the therapist ? I think someone, a therapist, who is grounded in reality is a big help, as Diana posted points to get through. Spirituality is a personal thing so.. It might be great for someone interested in the LOO to have someone who knows about it, but still I think the ground physical work is so important, just as Diana pointed. Just my personal view..